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Velez down, Denker up

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They're saying it on the postgame wrap right now.  It looks like Eugenio "One tool" Velez was sent down to Fresno and Denker was called up.

As much as I wanted Velez gone, I don't know if Denker should be called up this soon.  I'd rather he got a full year in at Fresno before getting up to the majors and having the opportunity to sit on the bench for several games at a time.

 

Still: Goodbye Eugenio.  Hello Travis.

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I am in agreement with you

I’d rather someone like Ochoa or Leone come up. Eh, whatever.

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by Natto on May 20, 2008 9:08 PM PDT   0 recs

I concur

Denker should not be up. As shown like a lot of moves the Giants have made this year, management equates “Youth Movement” with “lets overpromote prospects that need regular time in the minors to our bench!” The reason Ochoa, Leone and McClain should be up is so the young players can get regular time developing in Fresno. Players that the organization knows have no future should be riding the bench behind our vets that we are (hopefully) trying to find trade partners for. Perhaps the best moves by management would be to make Fresno the 2009 Giants by giving Velez, Bocock, Schierholtz, Denker, Timpner, maybe Bowker or Ort and soon to be Sandoval time to work together and develop in preparation for being large parts of next years’ team or if trades work out, the second half of this season.

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by Speedforthewin on May 20, 2008 10:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and yes, i did include bocock in that statement

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by Speedforthewin on May 20, 2008 10:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well..

Unless you cut someone/transfer to the 60-day DL someone it was either Denker, Bocock, or Ishikawa. We’ve seen what Bocock can’t do, why not see what Denker can’t do.

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by WalrusMan on May 20, 2008 11:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dave

Couldn’t we have transferred Dave Roberts to the 60-day DL due to his surgery and just let Joe Castle go if Dave was ready to come back in august or whatever?

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by Speedforthewin on May 20, 2008 11:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I suppose Dave Roberts..

Could have gone on the 60-day DL. Didn’t think of that.

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by WalrusMan on May 21, 2008 12:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank goodness they put Timpner on the 40-man, eh? Otherwise they might have had another option.

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by EliminateMe on May 21, 2008 12:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

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by daveinexile on May 23, 2008 11:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This should be interesting. Denker’s a bad defender also. But, the kid has plate discipline.

The best thing about Denker making it to the Majors is that we got him for Mark Sweeney. Take that, bums!

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by Anticon23 on May 20, 2008 9:15 PM PDT   0 recs

I'm torn

I want to see Denker play.

But, yeah, he should stay in AAA for awhile. But, hey, let’s see what he can do.

And, guys, I know many of us (including me) want Leone or McClain or Ochoa up. But it’s become obvious at this point that Giants management do not see them having a place on the current or future Giants team

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by thehavenot on May 20, 2008 9:17 PM PDT   0 recs

I got to give credit to Baggarly – this was up on the blog this afternoon. Dude’s on it.

by KCE on May 20, 2008 9:44 PM PDT   0 recs

Denker?

I hardly even know her!

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by Natto on May 20, 2008 9:50 PM PDT   0 recs

Denker came up for me full-time in Baseball Mogul in 2011 and hit .302/.384/.470 with 18 homers, winning the ROTY award. I’m pretty sure that’ll happen to him in real life.

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by Natto on May 20, 2008 9:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

3 years

That ‘11 callup just goes to show how premature this call-up is.

I’m all for young players and understand the 40-man issues, but this is getting ridiculous. Denker was just hitting below the Mendoza line at AA – I’m not sure that this sends the right message to the team’s prospects….

by aGIANTfan on May 20, 2008 10:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And..

Denker isn’t even in my BBM 2003 game yet, so either he’s too young or he just sucks too much and isn’t a prospect to be in the game.

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by WalrusMan on May 20, 2008 11:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yay!

I tired of Velez long ago…

by WTF on May 20, 2008 9:56 PM PDT   0 recs

ehhhhh

i have doubts that denker’s bat is AAA ready much less major league ready
and his defense is “projected” to be sub-par, which means its gotta be pretttttyyy bad in the present moment

waiting for 2011....

by Osama91w9 on May 20, 2008 10:15 PM PDT   0 recs

I'm just glad Velez is down...

I don’t think I could ever like him again because of that grounder he didn’t make out of pure laziness…

by boonitez on May 20, 2008 10:17 PM PDT   0 recs

Kid struggles at AA and makes it to The Show two months later, what a country!

There still is hope for EME and TI. This move is based on who is on the 40-man roster otherwise Brian Horwitz might be the player being promoted. Didn’t Denker strikeout a lot during spring training?

by wilriv21 on May 20, 2008 10:48 PM PDT   0 recs

At least there's one thing not too bad for me.

I do consider Eugenio Velez to be more of a “prospect” than Travis Denker. That “prospect” applies to both of them I guess. Both of them were in A ball for a few years and got promoted pretty quickly to the upper minors and the majors. But Velez can be a game changer if he can learn to get on base and learn to steal a few bags. Denker I don’t see as that, and at best he’s a bench player on a good team or 7th/8th place hitter on an ok team.

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by WalrusMan on May 20, 2008 11:09 PM PDT   0 recs

What a proud day!

I never thought my half-hearted adoption of Mark Sweeney would ever amount to anything, or that the PTBNL would be decent, but what do you know!

Here’s an article from spring training from the local authority on sports, the SF Bay Guardian, about Denker. It’s not really that great of an article (except the quote by the 72-year old man: “He exudes a certain grittiness. He looks like he’s been in the majors for 15 seasons, not 15 minutes.” Gamer!) but apparently he was a sponsored skateboarder at age 4?!

I like what I’m seeing so far.

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by scotterduder on May 20, 2008 11:46 PM PDT   0 recs

Meh

I’d rather Denker get more ABs in Fresno, but since he’s on the 40-man who else was going to come up? It’s sad because he won’t be seeing a lot of action, what with Aurilia and Durham “heating up.” I think Bochy will play those two old farts, if anything to boost what minimal trade value they have. Which means Denker’s going to ride the pine, and that sucks.

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by Giant Fan in Singapore on May 20, 2008 11:51 PM PDT   0 recs

I'm not sure how all this contract stuff works but...

Don’t people talk about not promoting prospects to the Majors until they’re definitely ready because we’ll just lose them a year earlier? I like seeing young guys play… but then again, I like seeing young guys play.

by lmaozedong on May 21, 2008 12:07 AM PDT   0 recs

Sabean is a fucking idiot.

by AndOnTheDrums... on May 21, 2008 12:29 AM PDT   0 recs

And you’re just now figuring this out?!? Welcome to the club.

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by PacBellBoozer on May 21, 2008 1:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

fuck it...bring up broshuis

at least he will get one blog entry on how he wet his pants from the excitement of finally getting to the show….if we are gonna make a mockery of what a callup means, lets go all the way…...hey, and what about eme?? shoot…stick him in left and lets see what that noodle arm can do.

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by bacci40 on May 21, 2008 1:09 AM PDT   0 recs

It just goes to show

Sabean actually does read this blog

And then he does this:

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by howtheyscored on May 21, 2008 3:00 AM PDT   0 recs

The name game

Nasty Nate Schierholtz
Dangerous Dan Ortmeier
Jolting John Bowker

Please welcome… Tremendous Travis Denker !!!eleven

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by S.F. Giangst on May 21, 2008 5:06 AM PDT   0 recs

you good

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on May 21, 2008 9:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don’t understand the irritation over this move. Leone and Ochoa are NOT the answer. Not only because they’re not on the 40 man roster, but they’re not prospects. Denker went to Triple A and got hot…..If your players suck, at least play the hot hand.

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by Smotheredinhugs on May 21, 2008 5:31 AM PDT   0 recs

That assumes you want to win this year

Instead, Sabean should be looking to establish long-term stability. Whether it’s Bocock, Velez, Denker, Leone, or McClain up with the big club, none of them will dramatically affect the Giants’ W-L record this year. And since it won’t propel us to the NLCS, our question should be “what’s in our best long-term interests?” Having low-ceiling 28-yr-olds (or whatever they are) on the SF bench makes more sense, because it allows the younger guys (Velez, Burriss, Bocock, Denker, etc) to continue their appropriate development in the minors – and that’s in the organization’s best long-term interests.

The fact that Leone and Ochoa are not prospects is the very reason they should be on the ML bench, and not taking AAA playing time from the real (well, our version of real) prospects.

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by Lyle on May 21, 2008 6:37 AM PDT to parent up   3 recs

+1

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by Speedforthewin on May 21, 2008 7:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I can't recommend this comment enough!

Seriously, how difficult is it to see that the older non-prospects are the ones that should ride the pine? Then again, why did the Giants way until over a month and a half of the season had gone by to put Frandsen on the 60-day DL, thus enabling a roster addition? I keep trying to assure myself that the FO isn’t made up of idiots, but it’s getting harder and harder.

Nevertheless, I am happy that Velez is down, and I look forward to Denker at-bats con mucho gusto.

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by hairball on May 21, 2008 9:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Frandsen...

I think someone pointed out that during the regular season, you’re required to have the 40-man roster filled, so if you didn’t need to add someone, then you keep Frandsen on the 15-day DL until you need the spot.

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by WalrusMan on May 21, 2008 10:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i don’t know about Ochoa, but doesn’t Leone maybe make sense as a super-sub backup and pinch hitter? takes walks. has power. sometimes i think he or Mclain might make decent guys to play the Mark Sweeney role. i think it would make sense to try them out, see if they can perform the pinch hit/sub role. And if they don’t cut ‘em when Roberts comes off the 60day dl.

Castillo hits doubles.

by kennv on May 21, 2008 9:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He could be the positional Yabu. The guy who’s useful because you can abuse him!

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on May 21, 2008 10:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yabu has surprised me

maybe he nets them a minor prospect or something at the deadline

by slojoe on May 21, 2008 3:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not impossible.

He has surprised everyone

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 21, 2008 3:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes

I agree, but then Sabean couldn’t bring every prospect up to see how he performs in the big leagues. You know, because Sabean can’t make those decisions from a guy’s minor-league track record. We should call it the “Linden Rule” – Sabean’s not getting burned again!

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 21, 2008 10:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I should have said “I agree, but then Sabean couldn’t bring every prospect up to see how he performs in the big leagues” REGARDLESS OF WHAT LEVEL OF THE MINORS HE SHOULD BE IN.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 21, 2008 10:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This assumes

that they will be riding pine. It’s not “out there” to be sure, but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk either. One thing Denker has going for him is that he can “play” both 2nd and 3rd. Another thing is that he is a righty. Therefore, he won’t be sat when facing lefties. Another thing he has going for him is Ray Durham’s frequent injuries (and hopeful future trade).

I have no problem with these kids being up as long as they get a decent amount of at bats. The ones who have been up so far haven’t been getting as many as they should but they have been playing. If it continues, then I don’t really have a problem with these kids being here (within reason).

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by thehavenot on May 21, 2008 11:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Brianwinkle: Hey Bochy! Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!

Bochy the Boulderheaded Squirrel: Again? That trick never works!

Brianwinkle: Hmm, good point … Okay, watch me promote a prospect two levels above where he ought to be!

Bochy [sotto voce]: Neither does that one …

Brianwinkle: Nothing up my sleeve … Presto!

[Ballplayer leaps out of hat. Ballplayer starts strong but quickly falls apart in a gruesome montage of strikeouts, double plays, pickoffs, and bungled defense. Ballplayer is demoted to AAA, where he continues to struggle and is eventually traded for Juan Pierre.

[Meanwhile, Ivan Ochoa and Justin Leone clamber out of the hat when no one is looking. They knock Brianwinkle to the floor, then proceed to kick him and stomp him and pummel him with Fresno Grizzly plush toys.]

Brianwinkle: It’s Magowan’s fault.

[Exeunt.]

by Evan on May 21, 2008 6:45 AM PDT   1 recs

You had me at exeunt

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by Lyle on May 21, 2008 11:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Rotoworld loves these moves!

On Bocock going 0-5 with 3 Ks last night:

It’s like the Giants said to themselves, “Let’s destroy whatever shred of confidence he might have left after he hit .143 in 77 major league at-bats.” Except they probably wouldn’t have used that many big words. Bocock hit .220 in high-A ball last year. He belongs back there or in Double-A.


On Denker coming up:
Brian Sabean has very little left to lose, so he can just keep running through young players, not caring what it’s going to do to them or the Giants down the line. Denker was hitting .314/.417/.510 in 51 at-bats for Fresno, but that was after he hit .184/.308/.263 in 76 at-bats in Double-A. He’s a fringe prospect without the glove for second base or the bat for third. It would do the Giants little harm to play him over Rich Aurilia and Jose Castillo. However, there’s no good reason to have both he and Manny Burriss on the roster.

by KCE on May 21, 2008 9:39 AM PDT   0 recs

Rotoworld won’t be getting a Christmas card from the Giants front office this year.

Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.

by Kitspool on May 21, 2008 9:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Rotoworld Writers

Can be tiresome with their jabs at GMs moves. Is there any evidence that bringing up a player prematurely has a lasting effect on their career? Maybe in the event they are sent back down, the cup of coffee is a strong motivator to the player, who now knows what to work on and re-doubles his efforts to get back? I wonder if anyone has studied this, or is this just another baseball “truth.”

by out machine on May 21, 2008 9:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Absolutely

Rotoworld is a great source of updates, but yeah, the jabs are retarded sometimes. It isn’t even that they continually make jabs at GMs, especially at those they consider stupid (and they aren’t the only ones – Sabean, Bavasi, etc). It’s that their agenda is screwy. They clearly dislike cycling guys in and out at positions, bullpens by committee, and promotion of guys who aren’t at all certain of putting up quality major-league numbers.

The “why,” of course, is that they want fantasy numbers, and in that deep NL-only league, at least Durham all year is likely to put up reasonably predictable numbers, while the combo of Durham, Velez, Denker, Burriss, et al means that you can’t own one guy. Rotoworld tends to be happier with a crap player staying there when that player steals bases – like Velez – even when that player sucks and gets a lot of CS, because CS isn’t a normal fantasy stat.

There are also plenty of good players that Rotoworld doesn’t much like and underrates – say, Dustin Pedroia or Placido Polanco – because that player doesn’t give you HR or SB. Also, Rotoworld almost completely disregards defense for obvious reasons. Take everything they say with a grain of salt.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 21, 2008 10:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

“Take everything they say with a grain of salt.”

See: Alex Hinshaw’s “soft” 94 mph stuff

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by Josh from Hollywood on May 21, 2008 2:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

thats a joke

rotoworld is making me think “soft” stuff is a good thing

by Azmanz on May 21, 2008 10:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and on top of the snarkiness

it’s gramatically incorrect. Should be “there’s no reason to have both Manny Burriss and him on the roster.”

I got one word for you: "youneverknow"

by senorvegas on May 21, 2008 10:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

Rotoworld doesn’t have much in the way of editing beyond spell-check.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 21, 2008 10:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

cnat help it - whenever i see that handle "senorvegas"

i think of “Senor Smoke” – one of the best nicknames ever

by slojoe on May 21, 2008 3:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Rotoworld before the season: “The Giants have no one in their minor league system worth anything!1”

Rotoworld now: “The Giants are ruining their prospects!1”

So which is it? Is it garbage or is it something worth protecting?

They are snark for snark’s sake. There isn’t any real analysis going on. They are a glorified news reader. An RSS with a groupthink mentality.

by Lars The Wanderer on May 21, 2008 11:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I agree, it’s not even like they’re particularly witty either. Oooo, the Giants management doesn’t use big words. Hilarious. They really seem to only make their “jokes” at the expense of the Giants and the Mariners. It just seems lazy and unfunny to make the same snarky comment over and over again.

Adopted Giant: Travis Denker. Good?

by scotterduder on May 21, 2008 11:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

they're ruining their garbage!

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 21, 2008 1:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

To be fair, they haven’t been negative about all the prospects. Bumgarner got ranked sixth on their list of rising prospects this season.

Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
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by raisingcain on May 21, 2008 8:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

rotoworld right on the money...except

sending bocock back to high a isnt the answer, and sending him to the eastern league, where very few hit, isnt the answer either…and thats why he went to the pcl

but they are right about denker….and just wait till, after sitting on the bench for a week, he is put out to play 2nd, and makes 3 e’s on one play

by bacci40 on May 21, 2008 11:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don’t get the motivation behind Denker coming up, unless he gets time at third and spares us from the tedium and ennui of watching dopey-faced Castillo suck over there. Let this be the case, with more John Bowker at first and the return of Hawaiian shirt Fridays.

As for Velez, yeah, I agree with sending him down. I hope he takes the time to get it right while he’s there.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 21, 2008 9:48 AM PDT   0 recs

ennui

good word, but redundant when conjoined with the preceding tedium…

:)

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by tedfordfan on May 21, 2008 11:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Castillo is redundant to me. :)

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 21, 2008 8:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Unbelievable

Evan is right, Groug is right (forgive me if you belong in this section and I forgot you).

This is just exhibit 28582384 as evidence for “Brian Sabean doesn’t have any idea what he is doing.” It’s as if Sabean thinks that there is some sort of magic gamerness that he needs to promote a guy to discover, that Denker will somehow come up to the bigs and that elusive, manly quality will allow him to succeed where others have failed, minor-league numbers be damned.

Denker has very good numbers. IN 51 AB IN AAA. 51! What kind of sample size is that? Give Denker a bad week and all of a sudden he looks like Ochoa with a bad glove. Sure, in the great scheme of things this might not be a big deal, but what is the point of having Leone at all if when callups need to be made, he isn’t the guy?

Rotoworld is right in that Sabean has little to lose. Why not cycle through players when you have created the mess that requires promoting guys 2 levels above where they should be? At least Sabean can claim he is giving these guys a look rather than stocking the team with boring AAAA retreads, and many fans will simply accept that (even if they won’t accept prolonged losing) as proper, especially if a guy catches fire for the first week or two. It buys him a little more time as some fans temporarily get excited about the next J.R. Phillips.

What I don’t get is that maybe, maybe it makes sense to promote a bad bat/good glove guy for the sake of the pitching staff. Even if that were true, though, then why Denker? Why Velez? Why bring in Castillo?

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 21, 2008 10:00 AM PDT   0 recs

Castillo was a last second stop gap measure brought in to replace the sadly injured Kevin Frandsen, who would be getting the lion’s share of time at 3B. Velez, because he does have one tool that is unbelieveable (speed), and one that is above average (arm). the rest of him…well…let’s call that a work in progress. Denker is on the 40-man, has a hot bat, and hell give the guy a shot.

by tyrannoman on May 21, 2008 10:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I still don’t get it. Castillo sucked in the majors, sucked in the minors, and isn’t exactly Matt Williams at 3B. Why bring him in as an emergency stopgap at all when Leone is around? Why not have Castillo in the minors and Leone up?

It doesn’t really matter, as neither is going to be very good, but it’s another example of Sabean failing to maximize the talent on the roster.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 21, 2008 10:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I haven’t seen Leone play enough to know, but I do keep reading that his defense is beyond Velez bad. If that’s true, that would be the reason he does not get called up.

I am quite frustrated with Castillo’s propensity to ground into double plays as well, but he hasn’t been that bad. Not claiming that he’s good, but it really isn’t that bad.

by tyrannoman on May 21, 2008 11:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m really not familiar with Leone’s defense. Dan Szymborski’s BTF Giants ZiPS projections showed Leone as “average” at 1B and 3B, “fair” at 2B, “very good” at LF and RF, and “poor” at SS and CF. Castillo rates “average” at 3B and “poor” at 2B and SS.

Castillo’s .267/.329/.447 line, good for a 102 OPS+, has been a pleasant surprise.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 21, 2008 11:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

When Leone was the heir apparent at third with Seattle, before getting Beltre’d, he was considered a good glove. I don’t know what happened, but clearly the Giants don’t think he’s a 3b, because they keep playing him in the outfield even though Fresno has plenty of outfielders and no real third baseman.

I’m not saying they’re wrong, but on the other hand we KNOW our current 3b is a bad fielder, so how much worse can Leone be?

by Evan on May 21, 2008 11:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1x10^7

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 21, 2008 11:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Like I said, I just keep reading about his defensive struggles. You guys have convinced me. Move Roberts to the 60-Day DL and call up Leone. If nothing else, dude can play everywhere. Maybe he can get some mask time, in case of another emergency catching situation.

by tyrannoman on May 21, 2008 1:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Any post that says “Groug is right” is a good post.

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by groug on May 21, 2008 11:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

lol

i found this funny

by Azmanz on May 21, 2008 10:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why not?

I’m not sure what Denker is, and I’m really not sure how to take any stats put up in Norwich because of Dodd. That being said, 51 AB’s in Fresno isn’t an indication of anyting other than a hot hitter. I really don’t think coming up to the bigs will retard Denker’s devolpment in any way, shape, or form. I don’t think Bowker needs any time in AAA at this point either. The Giants’ are smart to use this down year to seperate the wheat from the chaff. Bowker has taken big steps so far in pitch recognition, and his defense at 1B has been more than adequate. Why not see what Denker has? Richie and Ray may be hot right, but Durham is one IBB away from a catastrphic hamstring pull (while jogging to 1B), and Aurilia can play anywhere in the IF. Bring ‘em up, let ‘em play, and find out if there is any future in the group, or if they are just a bunch of JR Phillips clones (sorry JR!)

by tyrannoman on May 21, 2008 10:15 AM PDT   0 recs