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Remember last week, when the Giants were still the plucky-little-team-that-could? They weren't even .500, but the fanbase was buzzing with feverish non-disgust. This was supposed to be the season from our nightmares -- a combination of running in place when trying to get away, making a speech in front of a large audience and forgetting your notes, and being eaten by a komodo dragon. It wasn't like that at first, though. Young hitters were doing okay with the at-bats they were given, the bullpen was fantastic, and the young aces were doing well. The team wasn't going to contend, of course, but it wasn't a one-way ticket to Firstpicksville either.

The dream interpretation book I bought from the Barnes & Noble bargain bin says that komodo dragons tend to represent "old, goateed, soap opera veterans ." Best $5.99 I ever spent.

Historians, though, will tell us that on May 19, 2008, the bloom fell off the rose, as it were. In a span of two minutes, Omar Vizquel popped out and Eugenio Velez was picked off. Old guy stinking, and young guy not being as good as we'd hoped. You could probably condense that last sentence into two Japanese characters and slap it on a pennant.

 

Annoyed reader: Wait, so Omar Vizquel, who has been fantastic since he returned, is indicative of a systematic failure because of one at-bat?

Indicative, no. A metaphor for the decline of the Giants, yes. The team gets a rare baserunner, there's a moment of excitement, and then you realize that the only people coming up are either old-n-busted or young-n-stunted. That's not Omar's fault -- if anything, he's the one veteran on the team who isn't really blocking an MLB-ready player -- but he's just one of the guys in the former group.

 

Other annoyed reader: Velez's inability to read major league pickoff moves somehow negates the positive things we've seen from guys like Fred Lewis, John Bowker, and Manny Burriss?

No. But it does make us realize that the whole "going younger thing" will have consequences. In a system filled with prospects who aren't blue-chippers, we'll have to wade through the Tony Perezchicas to find the Bill Muellers. That doesn't sound too painful in January, but it'll beat you down when you're in the middle of a six-game losing streak.

 

Yet another annoyed reader: What about the young pitching?

You mean Tim Lincecum and an inning-plus from Alex Hinshaw? Yeah, that's been superb. But neither Cain and Sanchez can stop walking hitters or giving up bombs, Merkin Valdez and Kevin Correia are hurt, and Brian Wilson will continue to alternate between dominating and frustrating. Flashes of brilliance from all, consistent performances from few.

 

Even annoyedier reader: So what? We knew what this season was going to be like. Are you just going to pout?

Kind of. This will be a season of bearable stretchs punctuated by extended periods of unbearable. We all knew that. It's just a kick in the scallops when it actually gets to that unbearable stretch.

Open Bemoaning Our Fate Thread. Woe is us! Woe, woe, woe!

what a world...what a world...

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by Natto on May 20, 2008 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hear hear!

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by WalrusMan on May 20, 2008 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

3-11

Giants record since Grant posted this:

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by Kitspool on May 20, 2008 8:55 AM PDT reply actions  

this optimism thing really, really sucks.

no more! the age of pessimism is here!

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by UnleashTheGore on May 20, 2008 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I blame the crappy version of Aaron Rowand in that photo.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 20, 2008 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

it's the end of the world as we know it....

Yeah, Velez getting picked off gets you annoyed/frustrated, but watching it happen to a young’un is much more bearable than watching it happen to Durham, Aurilia, etc. We’ve seen the grizzled vet story for how many years now…speaking for one fan here, I’m okay with the kids screwing up because (a) it’s something different and (b) there’s actually a chance they’ll get better, as opposed to us already seeing the peak of the vets long ago.

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by UnleashTheGore on May 20, 2008 8:55 AM PDT reply actions  

except Durham and Aurilia (and every other Major League Baseball player) wouldn’t have gotten picked off in that situation. I’m all for playing the kids, but this particular kid is not good and he’s not smart. Velez has one skill and as often as not it causes more harm than good. And I don’t buy into the whole learning experience thing because he’s doing crap that little leaguers would know not to do.

by jc2125 on May 20, 2008 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

They may have not gotten picked off,

but the lack of interest inside me when watching them overcomes their veteran smarts. The difference in production from the kids to the vets isn’t very high, but at least the kids probably haven’t hit their ceiling yet. I’d much rather watch them than the vets at this point.

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by UnleashTheGore on May 20, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

People keep saying that

“There’s a chance they’ll get better”

If that’s true, then why does Velez keep making the same FUNDAMENTAL blunders. If anything, I think we’ve seen proof that you can’t teach this dog new tricks.

Contrast with Bowker, who thus far has picked up on the nuances of a new position very well, or Burriss, who has found a niche as a bunter and baserunner, and has done fine on defense.

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by hairball on May 20, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

There's a chance they'll get better!

They =/= Velez

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by Lyle on May 20, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

esp with the burris comment. i feel like burris is what we were hoping velez would be

by Azmanz on May 20, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Burris was what we were hoping Bocock would be…

Right about now, Denker is what I’m hoping Velez would be…namely, a Grizzly.

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by EliminateMe on May 20, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Check the wires. . .

This may have changed. Stay tuned for confirmation.

It's my blarg! Quick Pitch

by can of corn on May 20, 2008 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup, confirmed

See here.

“It’s a few things” manager Bruce Bochy said in explaining the move. “He’s been struggling at the plate. He’s getting frustrated with that. It looks like his defense was affected. That, and the pickoffs. It seems like no matter what he did, things didn’t go right for him. This is the right thing to do, send him down and get his game back.”

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by can of corn on May 20, 2008 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

the funny part is that I turned on the game at the precise moment that Castillo got the knock in the 9th and Velez was brought in to PR. Got all my soul crushing in in the minimum amount of time… I’m a busy guy.

I have not railed on Bochy but I am sick of Aurillia. I think Brian needs to “Vinny Castilla” him so that he’s off the roster and Bochy can’t play him.

I am not OK with Velez running. 8 SB 5 CS. That’s not OK.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN

by zenbitz on May 20, 2008 9:01 AM PDT reply actions  

i think all 5 of those CS were pick offs..

by Azmanz on May 20, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

5 pickoffs, also not OK.

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by EliminateMe on May 20, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

never said it was

but its not velez actual running thats the problem, its the fact he doesnt know when to run

by Azmanz on May 20, 2008 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Grant

If Kawakami had actual writing skills and a sense of humor, he would be the author of your post. Tagging Omar as “old-n-busted” considering his performance is a tad unfair. I’ll take a SS who gets on base 41% of the time every day. Richie, Roberts, Durham = old-n-busted. Omar? Not so much.

And while Cain has certainly struggled, being frustrated by Sanchez really isn’t fair either. He fluctuates between ridiculously dominating and mediocre. I know we all expected mediocre before the season started, but did anyone expect the occasional dominance? I think he has exceeded expectations so far this year.

As for Velez, I think he has proven that not all youngsters can or should cut their teeth at the big league level. No one was expecting him to be stellar. And we all knew the kids would make mistakes, but there is young and inexperienced and then there is stupid. I’m seeing a whole bunch of stupid from Velez right now. He needs to go back down….yesterday.

Ok…after re-reading this, I apologize for the Kawakami comp. No one deserves that kind slam. =p

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by Lars The Wanderer on May 20, 2008 9:04 AM PDT reply actions  

And yeah..

Small sample size with Omar, but he really is the expection to “all kids all the time”. He hasn’t hurt the club since he has been back.

by Lars The Wanderer on May 20, 2008 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Velez

Needs a baseball IQ angel to ride on his shoulder and tell him what to do, and what not to do. “Stop at second, there are two outs!” “That’s Winn’s pop up, pull back!” If the Giants can find such assistance, I think he will be fine as a backup infielder. Otherwise, I don’t think he has a good enough understanding of the game to contribute anything but pain. A few weeks ago, Bochy mentioned on the radio that the coaching staff gave him some sort of quiz on game situations, so you know they are doubting his baseball smarts. On the field, he is proving their doubts are justified.

by out machine on May 20, 2008 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

If they "get it"

Then why do they keep inserting him IN HIGH LEVERAGE SITUATIONS?

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by hairball on May 20, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I really wish I could answer that one.

by out machine on May 20, 2008 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

i think velez needs to pinch run there

so he can score on a double, but, esp against a lefty, dont make him steal

by Azmanz on May 20, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

“THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!!!”

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by WilliamVanLandingham on May 20, 2008 9:15 AM PDT reply actions  

“THIS IS DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL.”

-Dan Hawkins

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by Lyle on May 20, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

“PLAYOFFS?”

-Jim Mora

I was THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on May 20, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

PRACTICE?

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by thecrippesking on May 20, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

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by Lyle on May 22, 2008 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

the pen

the acrid taste in my mouth was put there by the pen, plain and simple. I knew we were going to get a good deal of good starting pitching (yes, Cain has disappointed, but I still always look forward to his starts). The lineup looked horrendous from the beginning, so I’m still pleasantly surprised nearly every time we score. I didn’t know what to think of the bullpen, but the residues of last year told me that it wasn’t going to be pretty. And then, to begin the year, it was pretty. It was take-a-deep-breath-and-inhale-the-scent-of-springtime pretty.
And now it stinks.

by BigO on May 20, 2008 9:25 AM PDT reply actions  

I think it will get back to where it was

Or at least closer to it. Maybe Walker wasn’t as good as he looked to begin the year. But I also don’t think he’s as bad as he’s looked lately. Chulk’s strikeout rate is worrying but he’s getting people out. Wilson has been mostly good. That last Asstros game was an abberation (possibly because of not getting work for a few games). Other than those guys, who is there to worry about?

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by thehavenot on May 20, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Astro's series was horrible

Partially because the Astros are beating the shit out of everyone offensively.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 20, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

And they're boring

Watching the Astros or Rockies – it’s like taking a handful of unisom for me. Needless to say, this is the most sleep I’ve had in weeks.

by GiantsFanInExile on May 20, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

O day! O day! O day! O hateful day!

Never was seen so black a day as this.
O woeful day! O woeful day!

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by camwoody on May 20, 2008 9:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Velez...

Yeah I’m pouting about him. How foolish was I to think that a fast kid with mediocre hitting and worse D would at least know how to not be picked off. FOR SHAME.

I’m also pouting Over Richie/Joe castle Line ups. Seriously. Joe at Third, My Son/Big John at first. Or Riche at third, one of the duo at first. PLZ.

I’m pouting over Bochy’s handling of the pitching. POUT POUT POUT.

I’m pouting over the fact that in the first year I’ve had a jersey, and a Cain one to boot, he is struggling. POUT.

So, yeah. Pout. Oh and no Kevin Frandsen to save us. POUT>

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by Andy from DC on May 20, 2008 10:53 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Since we're pouting, . . .

I can live with Cain’s problems this year, because a) they seem mental rather than physical, something that a tough competitor like him will fix; and b) it seems the team is partially responsible through misguided pitch selection instead of letting the kid rely on blowing people away.

I can also live with Wilson’s inconsistency as a closer, because it’s his first year in the role and he has the tools to do the job. Plus, I think the loss of Valdez hurts the team in providing a solid set-up guy for Wilson.

What I cannot live with is the ongoing mistakes by Bochy in handling the pitchers. Also, as others have said, why is Velez still on the big club and playing? And while I’m whining, I realize that Sabean will probably move the vets to contenders as we get closer to the deadline, now that the team is out of the race. But I would rather move these guys now and get more playing opportunities for Bowker, Ortmeier, Schierholtz, and even Leone, before any of the vets gets hurt this year and becomes unmovable.

OK, enough pouting for today.

by Buck Henry on May 20, 2008 11:22 AM PDT reply actions  

I think more of the question with Velez

Is why is he on the big club and NOT playing?

Options for Velez:

1.) Let him play the year out and see what you’ve got
2.) Let him play the year out and see what you’ve got

Whether that happens in SF or Fresno, neither of those two options includes sitting on the bench and occasionally pinch hitting / pinch running. That does no one, Velez, the Giants, or me any good.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 20, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

If the august poster would allow me I would like to amend his valuation to temparily exclude the Fresno option due to one Travis Denker.

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by daveinexile on May 20, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

At this point...

I’d want to send Velez down to wherever we have a defensive whiz coaching. Right now at with the operating minor league leagues we don’t have those people, but even if for our SS-A team a manager/hitting coach who was a major league 2B who knows his hitting, I wouldn’t mind him going down to SS-A for a few weeks to work on his defense. Or at least get a roving instructor to work with him in AAA (or AAA with Denker in AAA or Denker moving to 3B in AAA). He needs to learn, as it seems he is not learning playing.

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by WalrusMan on May 20, 2008 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

b) Letting the kid rely on blowing people away? Haven’t we all questioned Bengie Molina quite a few times for just calling for fastballs constantly?

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by WalrusMan on May 20, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last nights Game:

Average Age: 33
Day before? 33

Next oldest team in BASEBALL? 31

I thought we were going young?

That’s all I am saying…

And WTF was Velez doing last night? That one finally pushed me over the edge.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 20, 2008 11:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Velez

You and me both.

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by hairball on May 20, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just a few weeks ago...

Or perhaps a week ago, you were arguing for Eugenio’s case. Now you’re over him. Do you now agree with me that “He just doesn’t look like a ballplayer”?

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by WalrusMan on May 20, 2008 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you

Specifically regarding the CS/PO’s. That is just dumb.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 21, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tony Perezchica!

Man, I forgot all about that guy.

What’s next, a Ted Wood reference?

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by Stuttering John Tamargo on May 20, 2008 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

I remember one Baseball Mogul simulation...

Where Tony turned out well actually. He gave me a good career of leadoff batting.

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by WalrusMan on May 20, 2008 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Velez

One thing I’ll say for him – kid’s got an arm. Part of me wants to see what we can get for Winn in the open market and throw him out in right and see if he can settle down a little bit.

However, sometimes I wish the guy would simply sit on first when he’s there.

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by shn155 on May 20, 2008 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I totally agree

At this point in his “career” he obviously cannot read lefties properly, and as such should basically sit on first w/ a lefty on the mound.

He’s gotta know that – so why does he keep trying ? I really have to think he is being overly coached.

Like Kelly is yelling “GO!” to him or something.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 20, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kelly

Kelly has seemed to have had a good effect on others though I am speaking only from gut and the success the team has otherwise had in steals.

Velez has a really small head though – maybe his eyes are too close together to spot the subtleties of a lefty pickoff move.

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by shn155 on May 20, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can't be disappointed if this is exactly what you were expecting

Good pitching, horrible offense, mistakes of youth, too many games play by people named Durham and Aurilia (Castillo was a surprise, though), occasional bumps in the road for young players.

None of this (except Castillo) was unexpected. So I am okay with it.

It’s just not fun to watch at times.

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by thehavenot on May 20, 2008 12:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Fortuitous losing streak

I believe the giants are now 0-6 since idiot Sabean said on KNBR they were “contenders” in ‘08. If a losing streak is palatable at any time, this might have been the right time. Hard even for a moron like Sabean to delude himself into thinking that you’re a contender when you’re lined up for the #1 pick in ‘09.

by BigDaddyK on May 20, 2008 12:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I am starting to savor the immense suck that has fallen on the team.

I don’t get angry at the games anymore, which my girlfriend appreciates.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 20, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

that sort of stuff always seems to happen, doesn’t it?

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by jponry on May 20, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Expectations

Even when it’s not fun, I still find it more interesting than last year’s team—so far, at least. I’m ok with playing Durham or Aurilia in most games, but not both. They have to be showcased occasionally to have any hope of unloading them and Durham in particular might bring back a semi-interesting prospect if he gets hot at the right time. Bochy should be looking for match-ups where they have succeeded in the past in deciding which one to play.

by NearestNorwich on May 20, 2008 12:29 PM PDT reply actions  

True That

In fact, now that Durham looks like a serviceable player, I hope Sabes is actively looking to unload him. Let’s hope that Schulman was truly misrepresenting Sabean when he said the Giants could contend.

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by shn155 on May 20, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Grant, what’s with the “x new” comments thing showing up in a non-contrasty color for main page posts now? Now I have to, like, pay attention and stuff to know there are new comments before I go into a story.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on May 20, 2008 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

IAWTQ

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by jponry on May 20, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

IAWTR

Only 926 games until the end of Zito's contract

by thehavenot on May 20, 2008 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea

I liked the X Comments, X New format that way you could see where the new comments were easily.

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by WalrusMan on May 20, 2008 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two Chinese characters maybe

Two Japanese ones would be a bit of a stretch.

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by Natto on May 20, 2008 2:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Unless you use “くそ”, which would be appropriate.

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by Natto on May 20, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you actually typing..

Two question marks? Or am I just seeing that because I don’t have the font installed.

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by WalrusMan on May 20, 2008 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

You probably don’t have encoding for Asian characters installed.

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by Natto on May 21, 2008 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually

失敗 would be appropriate, if understated.

Still in despair.

by Zetsuboushita on May 20, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like watching this team

much, much better than any team involving Michael Tucker, Alfartzo, Boozynski, Boonitez, Jeffrey Hammonds, and so on. The “Barry Bonds and the Band-Aids” teams of the last two years were very, very depressing to me. I watched them and got excited for Brian Dallimore, NIekro, Foppert, Walker (v.1). Those folks all held potential (limited maybe, but some hope for the future). Watching Ryan Klucko strike out and throw his helmet really irritated me, and watching Bonds gimp around in the outfield was kind of sad, like the Mets version of Willie Mays.

We’ve been digging through shite for several years looking for a pony, and it’s nice to have the feeling that there might be a stallion or a thoroughbred somewhere under there, instead of the jacka$$es that kept cropping up on the roster every spring like fossilized mildew.

There will certainly be busts, and I’m sure several of the position players will turn out that way, and some of the pitchers too. If Jamey Wright and Fassero were still in the rotation, the Ginats would be no closer to finding out who could play and who couldn’t.

So, as long as there aren’t too many any lineups featuring Durham/Aurilia/Roberts/Winn all at the same time, I’m willing to watch the young’uns learn by disaster.

As an added plus, the rejiggered ownership may cut Brain loose if the team tanks badly enough. So, as Mr. Kent would say, enjoy the game!

by natteringnabob on May 20, 2008 4:40 PM PDT reply actions  

What I always wonder...

Why does no one ever talk about Righetti? Shouldn’t he have something to do with the bullpen sucking for the last several years?

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by thecrippesking on May 20, 2008 4:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Que HowTheyScored in 3....2....

Tentatively adopting Dan Ortmeier. And Boom Goes the Dynamite.

by Andy from DC on May 20, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

1?

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on May 21, 2008 3:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

FREE GARDNER!

We could use a long reliever probably.

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by WalrusMan on May 20, 2008 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

And what about Billy Hayes? Hmm…

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by Natto on May 20, 2008 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

We'll come around and complain about him soon enough..

Just wait for the young arms to start to go down/bullpen to suck longer.

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by WalrusMan on May 20, 2008 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm too tired now

But actually, about two years ago Righetti was a fairly popular target around this site. All that seemed to stop when Felipe Alou stopped managing the team….

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on May 21, 2008 3:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve always maintained that for any manager, Dave Righetti is a very serviceable nightstand.

by Moggeee on May 26, 2008 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

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