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The Power of Indifference

Peter Magowan is stepping down, and I have no idea what that means.

Who’s with me?

I’m getting e-mails on the subject from some folks, and the message of the e-mail can be reduced to "good riddance." Then I listen to KNBR, and there’s a strong contingent that is absolutely crushed at the news. So I feel like a moron because I have no idea what the guy actually did.

  • When Brian Sabean wanted to sign Michael Tucker, did Magowan say, "You can have two million dollars extra for the payroll, but you have to reallocate that money from the player development budget"?
  • If Sabean understood that the best chance to rebuild would come with a trade of Jason Schmidt at the 2006 trading deadline, did Magowan reject any such trade?
  • When Sabean came on as the GM, was it Magowan who decided that it would be more efficient to build a team around Barry Bonds and complementary parts rather than invest in another superstar to help Bonds in the lineup?
  • Did Magowan override the concerns of his front office staff in order to have Barry Zito signed to a ridiculous contract?

My answer to all of those questions: Man, I have no idea. Those are some Bob Woodward fly-on-the-wall kind of questions, and we’ll probably never know who was responsible for what. Maybe Magowan was an Al Davis-type who always thought he knew more about the game than the GM or scouts.

Maybe. But it’s a little hard to believe that Sabean was just a puppet for Magowan’s organizational philosophies. It’s a little hard to believe that Magowan saw a pressing need for Dave Roberts that overrode any misgivings Sabean might have had. It’s a little hard to believe that Magowan was the person responsible for a AAA team that didn’t have a shortstop who could fill in for a month. It’s a little hard to believe that Sabean has looked at every roster he’s constructed over the past three years, and said, man, I can’t believe I was forced to put this thing together.

Again, I have no idea. Maybe that kind of is what happened, and the real Sabean can shine now. The most reasonable assumption, though, is that the person who is mostly responsible for the 17-28 Giants is still making the decisions. With that in mind, Magowan’s reduced role means about as much to me as a roster move to replace Vinnie Chulk with Bartolome Fortunato.

Comment starter: I’m pretty sure that I’m wrong on this one. Tell me why I should be concerned or elated about Magowan stepping down.

Poll
Magowan is stepping down.
Yes! Finally!
51 votes
Awwww, man. Bummer.
34 votes
Most polls have a question instead of a statement, jerkface
217 votes

302 votes | Poll has closed

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Grant,

I don’t think you’re wrong on this one, but no matter what Magowan’s role was or was not in the past 3+ years, him stepping down indicates an organizational change in and of itself.

With the way the team’s been headed, any change upstairs should / can / hope to change the direction in a positive way.

by bennett on May 19, 2008 2:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ll reiterate what I said in a previous diary: however responsible he is for the ongoing mess of a team on the field, Magowan built Mays Field without bankrupting the city, he kept payroll in the top-10 for most of his ownership, and he gave us Barry Bonds for 15 years. He’ll be missed, by me at least.

by Steve on May 19, 2008 2:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thats how i will remember him, bonds and phone booth.. both positives. i generally blame sabien for bad moves

by Azmanz on May 19, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strangely, I find myself in the same boat.

Though I do blame him for Zito, the other things he brought are pretty cool.

Except him resigning sabean. Oh, wait. Wait….

Tentatively adopting Dan Ortmeier. And Boom Goes the Dynamite.

by Andy from DC on May 19, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. I’ll save my negative remarks for the millionares on the field.

people hate you, but why do they hate you? because the are jealous!

by satyricrash on May 19, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he kept the team in san francisco. that changed the course of my life… i can’t say for the better, but still.

i think he’s a major force in an organizational philosophy (or several philosophies?) that need to change.

sabean is out of touch with baseball in this century and needs to go. i hope a new MGP sees that soon.

Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.

by jasomack on May 19, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh-oh....

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on May 19, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keeping the Giants here supercedes all

I will always be grateful to McGowan for keeping the Giants in San Francisco, and for building the beautiful sanctuary I visit many times every year.

But I also believe he had some role in the cockamamie roster decisions that have been made over the last ten years that have left me bitter and hopeless about the team’s future.

Thank you Peter. I mean that. But it’s time to go.

Flaxseed oil dependent

by 3Com Park on May 19, 2008 2:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Uh-oh....

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on May 19, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree. He kept my team here, and that’s the best damn thing.

But it’s time for a new eye up top.

It's my blarg! Quick Pitch

by can of corn on May 19, 2008 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The poll results say it all

We have no idea how to feel about Magowan stepping down.. but like someone said, with the state of the Giants, pretty much any change is good change.

by lmaozedong on May 19, 2008 2:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m feeling sort of sad for Peter the person, because he’s walking away from a post that has to be a dream come true for him. He did wonderful things for me as a fan, giving us the best ballpark ever and the good Barry. He was not perfect. I’m not just closing my eyes to all the missteps the team has taken in recent years. But since he’s on his way out, I don’t feel compelled to rag on him for the ills of the team.

Plus I’m also reserving judgement on the move as a whole until I know what Neukom will be like.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 19, 2008 2:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

" Their still Shitty" - Major Leagues the movie.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain. Currently enjoying it more then usual.

by daveinexile on May 19, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One would assume

In any rationally managed business that when it was decided that a new direction was needed, that business would replace the person who was most responsible for the current direction.

I would like to think that the Giants ownership group is smart enough to know if Sabean really was the reason we are where we are. Meaning, Sabean had essentially free reign in these decisions and made them all.

If that was the case, and the team needed to change directions, one would expect them to have replaced Sabean, not extended his contract.

On the flip side, if the ownership group knew that Mcgowan and the ownership as a whole had decided on a certain course surrounding Bonds etc, and that Sabean had merely been the tool through which they enacted this strategy – they might look elsewhere when a change of direction was needed. They may feel that Sabean really does know what he is doing and that they (Mcgowan) had meddled too much over the last 5 years. In which case I can easily beleive Mcgowan is encouraged to retire and Sabean is given a “real” chance.

I really would like to find out – but we may never know. It does appear that regardless, they all seem very interested in keeping Mcgowan’s rep spotless.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 19, 2008 3:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The way I heard it, Magowan personally ordered Sabean to make the Pierzynski trade. “TINSTAAP, Brian baby, TINSTAAP,” he said. “And what the hell kind of name is Boof, anyway? ‘Boof.’ Please.”

by Evan on May 19, 2008 3:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m right with you Grant… all we do know is that McGowan got Bonds the first time, and did get park built WITHOUT public funds. For that alone, he should be lauded.

Sabean is an idiot either way. Either he made all the bad decisions, or stood by and let the owner wreck his reputation (which was until about 2004 actually quite good outside of the lunatic fringe/stat drunk computer nerd demographic). Most likely it’s a combination.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN

by zenbitz on May 19, 2008 3:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m going to cry if I have to read too many more posts where people spell his name McGowan, or some other wrong derivative. It’s Magowan! MAGOWAN!!! If you’re unsure, just call him Peter. Not Peeter or Petre or Peatre.

Meanwhile, I’ve always liked Magowan. He loves baseball, he loves the Giants. The Giants ownership didn’t go crazy and try to raise the team payroll into Yankees/Red Sox territory, he kept it respectable. Peter and Co. bought the Giants when MLB wanted someone to step in and buy it. During his years as MGP, we’d frequently had a very competitive team. There have been many questionable decisions, just like there have been everywhere else in the world. He’s not perfect, the Giants aren’t spotless. But we’ve got a team in SF, we have a gorgeous ballpark, we have an organization that celebrates its historic past, and we have gotten to enjoy one of the greatest ballplayers in the history of the game. These are the things we know he’s at least partially responsible for, without any extra conjecture. The things that have been accomplished far outweigh everything bad that’s happened in recent seasons.

My vote was cast, I’ll miss him. Happy retirement, Pete!

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on May 19, 2008 4:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Can I call him Pedro ?

In honor of his greatest farm raised player ?

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 19, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pedro is acceptable

As is Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater, Pepe, Peter Paul and Mary, The Rock (in honor of St. Peter), and maybe P-Money.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on May 19, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's rich...

Would it help YOU if you called him unemployed?

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on May 19, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pea… tear….

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on May 20, 2008 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well now, about that payroll...
The Giants ownership didn’t go crazy and try to raise the team payroll into Yankees/Red Sox territory, he kept it respectable.

I dunno. I remember feeling that the contending Giants (1997-2003) were always one really good player short of being a postseason favorite. It seemed pretty clear that the Giants spending philosophy was to have a good enough team to contend all year, sell out the park during the regular season, and anything that happened beyond that was the gravy of good fortune.

by achiappanza on May 20, 2008 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Currently, 83% of us think Grant is a jerkface. Looks like he’s going to win without even counting the superdelegates.

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on May 19, 2008 4:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The superdelegates are all jerkfaces too.

All-Father Watch: 1.16 ERA, 4 saves, 0.99 WHIP, 23 Ks in 23 1/3 IP

by EliminateMe on May 19, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

id just like to know what role he played in the Zito signing

aside from that, there’s not much to complain about…

by slojoe on May 19, 2008 4:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to thank Peter Magowan for signing Barry Bonds and introducing the Safeway Club Card, not necessarily in that order.

Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.

by Kitspool on May 19, 2008 4:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wowowow

Even if you add Nader’s Aww Bummer to Gore’s Yes Finally!....Bush still whips your llama.

by Sigualicious on May 19, 2008 6:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am with you.

Indifferent about Magowan.

by withclubsauce on May 19, 2008 8:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not indifferent

to all the navel-gazing that’s been going on the last few days. Two pieces in the Comical? His time in the booth with Jon Miller was like listening to ice melt. He basically ignored the game and seemed to talk over most of the “action”. I understand all the interviews with the bowtie guy, but it’s been very interesting watching Magowan make the rounds talking about how excited he is to spend more time with his family. Just like Carly Fiorina.

As for who did what, isn’t there plenty of blame to go around for the current mess? Like Grant, I’d be surprised if Magowan called Sabean before the season to make sure he picked up Joe Castle and left Leone/McClain/all the usual suspects in Fresno.

But on the other hand, somebody with a checkbook had to sign off on Zito, and the non-Bonds budget (i.e. Sabean surely wasn’t setting the overall salary number, just choosing to allocate it on Alfonzos and Tuckers).

One thing that was definitely overlooked in all the breathless Petro-spectives: he and his gang made it at least a little awkward for teams to go hat in hand to cities begging for free stadiums. And probably absolutely sunk any possible hope the A’s had of getting money from Oakland or Alameda Co. (although after Al’s big bonanza of freebies that hope was fairly dead anyway as a political matter).

So, for proving that professional sports franchises are not, in fact, charitable institutions, and can, in fact, finance their own facilities, the country should be thankful for his efforts to build a stadium and a competitive team.

by natteringnabob on May 19, 2008 10:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I did think it was interesting

How he just talked through the game, as if he didn’t really care about the atbat.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 20, 2008 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indifference?

Whatever…

Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.

by S.F. Giangst on May 20, 2008 1:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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