The /fx Files: They're Out There
Entering this season many Giants fans looked at Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as Twin Towers of Twirling. They figured both were potential aces, All-Stars and even Hall of Famers.
Suddenly Lincecum has emerged as the potential hardware bearer, while Cain has struggled to get the lead out. Matt uncharacteristically gave up nine earned runs in one start. Tim has given up nine earned runs total in eight starts.
Why the sudden split in direction by the two 23-year-olds?
With the help of the PITCH/fx data so graciously provided us by Josh Kalk and by analytically looking at both pitchers' splits, we can examine the reasons, perhaps identifying how both pitchers can continue to improve. Here are some of the reasons for the difference:
1. Tim has been phenomenal with runners in scoring position. With RISP he has limited the Giants' opponents to a .115 batting average, a .222 on-base percentage, and a .173 slugging percentage for a nearly invisible .395 on-base-plus-slugging percentage. Matt has struggled once runners get into scoring position, allowing a poor (and uncharacteristic) .314/.372/.514/.886 in comparison.
Lincecum showed at Fresno a year ago how tough he could be with runners on base and in scoring position, allowing just one hit with runners on and nary a hit with RISP in his five starts there. But NO ONE is as good in this regard as Tim has been. Tim has shown a true propensity for being able to really buckle down when he most needs to, but it seems highly unlikely he can continue to hold teams below a .400 OPS with RISP.
On the other hand, unless he has suddenly lost the ability to pitch out of the stretch, Matt is almost sure to improve his performance with runners in scoring position.
2. Both pitchers pitch much better when they throw first-pitch strikes. But while Matt's difference is pronounced, Tim's is huge.
This season Matt has limited batters to just a .218 batting average, a .256 on-base percentage and a .336 slugging percentage when he gets his first pitch over. That's an impressive .592 OPS against. When his first pitch is a ball, he is quite hitable, allowing batters to rake him at a .286/.435/.476/.911 pace.
Tim's difference between a first-pitch strike and a first-pitch ball is even greater. When he has gotten his first pitch over, Tim has limited opponents to a paltry .219/.240/.263/.503 line. When he gets that first pitch over, he becomes Greg Maddux-stingy with his walks and makes every hitter look like Manny Burriss when it comes to yielding extra-base hits. If his first pitch misses, he falls back to a level very close to Matt's, at .282/.402/.493/.895, in which batters look almost like the latter-day saint, Barry Bonds.
Not only is Tim even tougher than Matt if he gets that first pitch over, he does so considerably more often. Matt has really struggled with his first pitch, finding strike territory just 53.0% of the time. Tim's 61.6% first-pitch strikes is up from 55% last season and may be the biggest single sustainable factor in his rapid rise this year.
3. Matt has lost one mph off his fastball this season, while Tim's has picked up by half a mile per hour. Since Tim's average fastball is 2.5 mph faster at 95.5 than Matt's 93.0, it is even harder to catch up to. Even more importantly, this leaves Tim's fastball 12.1 mph faster than his change up, while Matt's heater is only 6.4 mph above the speed of his change.
Matt's fastball, curve and slider move very similarly to Tim's, and his change up actually moves 2.6 inches MORE sideways and drops by 1.2 inches more than Tim's. But Tim's greater speed differential between his fastball and his off-speed pitches makes them tougher to hit than Matt's.
4. Most pitchers' hardest pitches to hit are their off-speed deliveries. Still, they throw predominantly fastballs because they can control them better, because they have more confidence in them and because they are macho. Part of the reason Tim has outpitched Matt is because Tim throws his off-speed stuff about a third of the time compared to Matt's only about a fourth of the time.
We saw that Tim's fastball velocity has improved this season and that Matt's has declined slightly speed-wise, yet Tim throws his most effective pitches far more frequently than Matt. In particular, he uses his change up 21.0% of the time compared to Matt's 14.4%. The change up has been each pitcher's toughest pitch to hit, but perhaps for control reasons Tim has used his more often. Add in that Tim has nearly twice as much velocity difference between his fastball and change as Matt has, and clearly Tim is getting more juice from the change up than is Matt.
The result is that Tim has been much harder to hit for power than has Matt, now having yielded only three homers to Matt's six. (Matt's six homers include the one he gave up last night. All other stats used here preclude Matt's last start.)
5. Matt has really struggled with his control this year. Last season he was at 63% strikes, and Tim was at 62%. This year Matt has thrown only 60.7% strikes, finally reaching the 60% mark for the season in his start on May 8th. Conversely, Tim has improved his control, throwing strikes 64.5% of the time.
Tim's walks are at only 3.22 walks per nine innings, after he walked 4.00 per nine in his rookie season. Matt's walks have ballooned to 4.89 this season, up from a career best 3.56. Tim's walks have been consistently dropping since his sophomore season of college. Matt showed great control promise by walking just 1.80 batters per nine innings the last two months of the 2007 season.
But it is Tim who has continued to improve his control this season, while Matt has struggled.
So in summary, Tim has been especially tough with RISP while Matt has struggled, Tim has gotten his first pitch over far more consistently than Matt, Tim's fastball has improved while Matt's has slowed to the detriment of both Matt's fastball and his change up, Tim throws his better off-speed pitches more often than Matt, and Tim has had much better control.
By season's end, Matt will likely have improved and Tim will likely have dropped back into the reality of at least the two's in ERA. But we can see that Tim has clearly outpitched Matt in five areas thus far, resulting in a greater gap between the two than most every expected.
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Word on the street
Is that Cain has purposely backed off his FB a little in an effort to enhance his control.
He reached back a few times last night and came up with some major gas.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on May 14, 2008 10:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ll allow it. Ramping up the FB here and there is a great weapon. No sacrifice to take a few MPH off to get better control as long as he pitches like he did last night.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 14, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
As long as the few mph off the FB to get control doesn’t put you into hittable range.
I also think it is a sign of maturity, which is great from a pitcher as young as Cain.
And the ability to reach back in an 0-2 and uncork a 97 mph ugly finder in the plate’s general direction is a VERY powerful tool.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on May 14, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like
I like the idea of knocking the hitter off the plate when he gets behind 0-2. That sets up almost every pitch in the pitcher’s arsenal and also can set up the 0-2 pitch on the outside corner when a strikeout is most needed. It’s pretty touch to hit an outside pitch when you’re expecting to have to move back from an inside pitch.
by sharksrog on May 14, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
problem is, that his walks are also up. BBs are not the be all end all of control, but they do indicate something is going on there too.
Castillo hits doubles.
by kennv on May 14, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he just started doing it in his last few starts..
So the first few and the last few were using different strategies. Let it even out for a month or so and see how he’s doing.
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by WalrusMan on May 14, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
I believe Matt HAS backed off a bit on the speed of his fastball, probably because his control has been very suspect. I also think he apppeared to be throwing harder last night. Early in the month I said I believed Matt was back on track, and I hate to be wrong. :) In his May 9th start Matt finally got his season strike percentage over 60%.
We should also note that since the middle of last season Tim also has taken a little off his get-it-in fastballs. IMO he should take the same approach with his first pitch to hitters, not only throwing more fastballs, but making sure he increases his strike percentage with them.
by sharksrog on May 14, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff, Sharksrog
Most interesting aspects to me are how well this info highlights Cain’s struggles so far this year, especially with the falling percentage of first-pitch strikes and the huge increase in walks. It’s all the more pronounced when compared (unfairly so, perhaps) to Timmy’s improvements across various statistics. Like you said, it’s likely that by season’s end the gap will have closed as Cain pitches better and Lincecum looks a bit more human. But for now, Tim the Enchanter is definitely the better of the two.
Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.
by Kitspool on May 14, 2008 11:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And Tim looks like Barry Zito
To Edinson Volquez.
Small sample sizes are still in effect for starting pitchers.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on May 14, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, they're nearly identical
Edinson: 24 yrs old, 6-1, 48.3 IP, 26 BB, 57 K, 1.12 ERA, 1.262 WHIP
Lincecum: 24 yrs old, 5-1, 50.3 IP, 18 BB, 53 K, 1.61 ERA, 1.252 WHIP
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by hairball on May 14, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
Tim turns 24 in June. Edinson is already 24. (went by the age in the stat line at baseballreference.com, forgetting that it is the “season’s age”, not necessarily the current age)
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by hairball on May 14, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
8 more walks
in 2 fewer IP, similar WHIP really low ERA screams BABIP fluke to me
by Viliphied on May 14, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
though it seems
that’s not the case. Hmm.
by Viliphied on May 14, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 more K's
has something to do with it
by Azmanz on May 14, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
Volquez’s left on base rate is 90.8%. He’s killing 90% of the baserunner’s he’s allowing. Lincecum 85.3%. Neither of those LOB rates are sustainable. Great pitchers often average around 75%. OK pitchers, around 70%. Bad pitchers 67%.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on May 16, 2008 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is just
That Volquez looks amazing semi out of nowhere. He probably won’t keep it up.
Tim probably won’t have an ERA in the 1’s all season, either.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on May 14, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on what I know of Tim
I actually expect him to keep it up, to a degree. I don’t know enough about Edinson to comment on him, but three things tell me he probably won’t: 1) There wasn’t scuttlebutt all over the place about Edinson, leading up to his MLB debut, the way there was about Tim, 2) There are only so many Tim Lincecums in the world, and 3) The way Tim dominated the minors contrasts beautifully with Volquez’s comparatively lengthy struggle through the levels.
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by hairball on May 14, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not comparing the two.
I’m just saying they are both playing over their heads right now, and Volquez is the example that, at this point in a season a young pitcher could still be playing way over his head.
I expect Tim to regress slightly.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on May 14, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what did you mean then? why does Tim look like Zito to anyone? I was/am confused by the post.
Castillo hits doubles.
by kennv on May 14, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you assume that ERA is not a linear scale
And that it is more exponential, The difference in performance between Volquez and Lincecum is dramatic.
Much like the difference between Zito and Lincecum.
Just a very roundabout way of saying Lincecum isn’t the only pitching blowing the MLB away int he first month and a half.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on May 14, 2008 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Volquez
He did struggle through much of the minors. But he was once a member of a trio of much ballyhooed pitching prospects for the Rangers. So, the potential had always been there. He was just a late bloomer, apparently.
That said, he’s not going to continue to pitch like this.
Only 932 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on May 14, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
And the beauty of it all is that one merely needed to go to that grainy 41-second video of Tim shot at Cal two years ago to see that he was indeed very special. I can’t speak for others, but it truly brought tears to my eyes—just watching him throw long toss.
by sharksrog on May 14, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The first time I saw that video
I remember it well.
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by hairball on May 14, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Enlightenment
I can only imagine it was like when that first dude walked into the Sistene Chapel, looked up, and said, “whoa.”
Yeah I posted that here before, but I made it up so I can use it as many times as I want. So nyah.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 14, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it
Now that is SWEET! Kind of like the Penquins’ announcer who said last night, “What a shot by Hossa! He turned (the goalie) Biron inside out, and they took away his liquor license.”
That is the same announcer who also said, “He up that one up on the top shelf, where Grandma hides the cookies!”
Can you think of any sport outside of hockey where a guy could get away with that without being compared to Ron Santo?
by sharksrog on May 14, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I should call it the Enli-TIM-ent to get the scholars off my back because yeah yeah Michaelangelo painted the ceiling in the Renaissance and the Enlightment happened two hundred some odd years later. So sue me.
Haha who was calling that game? Was it a national broadcast?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 14, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The call
The guy calling that game was the Pens’ regular announcer. I used to love his call back when the Penguins were scoring like crazy in the Mario Lemieux days, “He … SHOOTS and SCORES!”
I just happened to hear the latest call today on KNBR’s sportscast. I heard the “up where Grandma hides the cookies” call the other day on Versus.
The Sharks’ TV color announcer Drew Remenda is tremendously popular with their fans and to local fans may be even more the face of the franchise than Joe Thornton.
The lead announcer Randy Hahn is a great straight man for Drew, and I finally began to appreciate Randy’s humor properly when he was on KNBR previewing a Sharks/Blues game. The Blues’ top goal scorer is Brad Boyes, a former Shark who scored over 40 goals for St. Louis this season.
“Drew and I have always like Boyes,” Randy told KNBR.
by sharksrog on May 14, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try as I might I just can’t get into the Sharks. Maybe next year when I move to San Jose I’ll get dragged into it.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 14, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was listening to the Houston broadcast here in Texas last night and the Astros’ radio announcers said that Matt was imitating Roger Clemens (they seemed to actually be summarizing an interview with him, not pulling this out of their butts) in taking a bit off his fastball on purpose. Clemens is a jerk, but there are worse guys to imitate pitching wise.
by paboperfecto on May 14, 2008 11:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cain's heater was hot last night
I think that is a very good sign. I heard a number of 96 mph pitches. Was there even a 98?
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by hairball on May 14, 2008 11:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
His fastball looked great last night, not only the speed but it appeared to have nice movement.
Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.
by SF Pete on May 14, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Movement
Matt has very nice movement on his fastball—and even better movement on his change. If Matt could take three or four mph off his change and control it as he did last season, it would be a marvelous weapon for him.
He should consider giving up his slider, which is his home run pitch.
by sharksrog on May 14, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“He should consider giving up his slider, which is his home run pitch.”
Is it the slider, or the curve (or both)? When he hangs the curve - which I feel like he does a lot - it resembles a hanging slider. It was a hanging curve just like that which Lee homered on last night (Gameday, which had it listed as an 78mph curve). The slider has just a bit more velocity—the nasty slider Cain threw on his last pitch of the night to strike out Towles was listed at 85mph on Gameday.
It seems to me he hangs the curve more often than the slider, but I’m just going on memory, which is faulty by definition. Maybe you have some f/x numbers about his home rates on curves and sliders which bear out what you’re saying? If so, I’d love to see them.
By the way, great post—interesting numbers as always, rog.
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by Josh from Hollywood on May 14, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Henry Schulman would obviously agree with me that Cain’s hanging curve can easily be mistaken for a slider as he made just that mistake in his game recap in the Chron today, writing that the pitch Lee hit out was a hanging slider. Both Gameday and the speed gun on the TV broadcast showed the pitch to be 78mph, which is definitely the curve.
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by Josh from Hollywood on May 14, 2008 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had Cain’s heater at 92.09mph by PITCHf/x. Stadium/TV guns always seem to be a tick or two hot. I think the top velocity I saw from Cain was 94mph.
by xanthan on May 14, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC fastest stated by kruk/kuip was 97
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on May 14, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A tick or two, yeah, but that would be 3-4 MPH off. Can was consistently 94/96 on the TV gun, with a high of 98. That’s a pretty big discrepancy. By the way guys like Berkman and Tejada were swinging through fastballs, I’m suddenly leery of the Pitchf/x
by Grant on May 14, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t get too leery, in fact seeing him throw 98 on TV would make me leery of those readings. Cain’s average FB last year wasn’t much past 93mph, which he was basically in that same range last night.
It’s like watching the Fox post season when Zuma hits 101mph on like 4 pitches in a row, I’m skeptical of TV/Stadium speed guns.
by xanthan on May 14, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same Gun had Wilson @ 97
However, which we all accept as “real”.
I do data aquisition for a living, and while I would belive the radar gun to be a few MPH off – it would also trust it to me consistantly a few MPH off.
It’s not 3 mph high for Cain and then right on for Wilson.
Cain had gas, and not the uncomfortable kind.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on May 14, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw a couple straig 98's to end the game...
From Wilson as well.
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by WalrusMan on May 14, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson has pitched consistently around 94/95 during his major league career, so actually it would make sense that the gun was a few miles off.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on May 15, 2008 5:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am pretty sure no one can throw a baseball with constant velocity.
The guns are probably just measuring different things. For example I would expect pitch f/x to measure average velocity (it is measuring space and time), while the radar guns are supposed to measure initial velocity (off the hand).
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by zenbitz on May 14, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought somewhere I saw though..
That even a 98 MPH fastball slows down to around 80 or so by the catcher.
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by WalrusMan on May 14, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn inertia
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 14, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
It is drag, but whatever.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on May 14, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Resistance is futile.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 14, 2008 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Borg in drag?
Only 931 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on May 14, 2008 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I'm an Engineer!
This is one I can answer. Yes, instantaneous velocity is different from average velocity in this case. So depending on where and how to measure it, you could get pretty different results.
The park/tv gun I assume to be fairly constant.
It could be way different from the pitch F/X measurement technique.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on May 14, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
92.09
92.09 is right where Matt has been on the season. Actually, it’s down a bit. Entering last night’s game, Matt was at 93.00 according to Josh Kalk’s numbers. Come to think of it, I believe www.fangraphs.com has both Tim and Matt about one mph slower than Josh’s numbers.
But suffice it to say that Matt’s fastball likely wasn’t FASTER last night, at least not to a significant degree. Like you, I was going by the TV gun. I haven’t looked the performance up on gameday yet.
by sharksrog on May 14, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On average I'm sure that is right.
Out of maybe 60 FB’s last night, 2 or 3 in the 95 + range aren’t going to skew the average much.
They will make batters think, however.
Remember – the in park radar gun is viewable from the on deck circle as well.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on May 14, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
MLB Gameday
According to MLB’s gameday, it appeared Matt’s fastball was just a tick above 92 on average. Remember now, one of the genetic things that has me all excited about Tim is that his dad was reportedly clocked at 88 mph in his 50’s.
By the way, shouldn’t the Giants be employing Tim’s dad as a roving pitching coach? Although he would likely have his greatest success the younger he got a pitching prospect, I’ll bet he could add a mile or two to Barry Zito’s fastball.
The home plate umpire who said Matt Cain’s fastball sounded like 98 mph is still waiting to make a call on Barry’s.
by sharksrog on May 14, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The umpire
The home plate umpire said Matt’s fastball SOUNDED like 98.
by sharksrog on May 14, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds is LDS? Who knew?
All joking aside, nice information gathering. The walks are particularly frustrating and are probably the single biggest reason why Matt has been inconsistent this year. Hopefully he starts throwing more first pitch strikes and more strikes, in general.
Only 932 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on May 14, 2008 11:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nibbling!
I doubt bonds is LDS
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on May 14, 2008 11:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m still waiting for the Lincecum Gamer commercial to see how he really compares to Cain. Matt’s is still my favorite in terms of looseness of character, although Rowands elbow drop was pretty good.
by WilliamVanLandingham on May 14, 2008 12:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rowands elbow drop made me LOL
And my girlfriend looked at me weird.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on May 14, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
I think the Giants should use Tim in a commercial propping up a guy who is being picked on for being too small. In the “X-rated” version, he consoles the guy, “It’s not how long you make it, it’s how you make it long. Now get back out there and throw some smoke!”
by sharksrog on May 14, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean to say
It’s in the way that you use it?
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by hairball on May 14, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right on!
So, I’ve been told. I wouldn’t know myself, having this huge fire hose thing that I have no idea how to handle.
Oh, I’M not the one who is supposed to handle it?
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by sharksrog on May 14, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants
The Giants could also do a Lincecum Gamer commercial featuring merely the baseball card of 14-year-old Timmy that reads, “Tim Lincecum, Pitcher, 4-foot-10, 78 pounds.” Gamers overcome the odds and never give up. Gamers may not be sanforized, but they never come in out of the rain.
by sharksrog on May 14, 2008 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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