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from mlbtraderumors, the Giants' may claim Humberto Quintero off waivers, and the Dan Johnson talk has picked up again. I guess Johnson would be an improvment (god, it really is that bad) and I can't really care about Humberto Quintero one way or the other. Johnson at least provides some power, and he does hit left handed to help balance the lineup a little. I know that AT&T kills left handed hitters, but there needs to be some balance.

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Johnson would help quite a bit, but Beane has no leverage, so let's not give up anything of value, please.

I think Quintero's a good choice for backup catcher, as long as he comes free. And as long as STEVE HOLM! gets called back up in September to fulfill his destiny of hitting a walkoff HR against the Dodgers.

by Evan on Apr 9, 2008 12:01 PM PDT   1 recs

FWIW

I signed Quintero as FA for the Giants in the offseason following 2008 in my baseball mogul game, and he's been awesome enough to become my full time starter by 2010 and hit in the middle of my much improved, but still struggling, offense.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 9, 2008 12:11 PM PDT   0 recs

Howie BTW..

Wait until HoustonGM's rosters come out on the Baseball Mogul forums. I find them the most accurate. I think they'll be out within the week.

The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."

by WalrusMan on Apr 9, 2008 5:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It doesn't matter too much to me

Because I'm WAY more interested in the guys I'm drafting than the pre-existing players anyway. Once I'm ten years into a team, it won't make any difference to me anyway.

For future teams, though, I'll probably grab HGM's.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 9, 2008 9:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We already have a Venezuelan catcher who can't get on base

his name is Eliezer Alfonzo and he's only 6 months older than Quintero. That waiver pick up makes absolutely no sense. What would be the rationale behind it?

Dan Johnson makes perfect sense. I think he'd rate a nondescript cheap bullpen arm.

Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 9, 2008 12:15 PM PDT   0 recs

What about defense?

I don't know Bocock about Quintero's D, but I know that Alfonzo's is rancid. Having a backup catcher who can catch the ball would be a nice change.

by tyrannoman on Apr 9, 2008 12:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Quintero has a rep as a glove man.

by Evan on Apr 9, 2008 1:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

while I fancy myself a leg man.

by wilriv21 on Apr 9, 2008 1:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Glad my legs are ugly

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Apr 9, 2008 1:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You're so damned self-critical

Your legs are gorgeous!

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 9, 2008 1:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i like women, but you go right ahead with the glove men and the leg men.

by tyrannoman on Apr 9, 2008 1:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

no glove?

no love.

I sure wish that Ort Cloud would form a solid sphere to enter into this team's orbit.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Apr 9, 2008 11:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I kinda suspected that may be a difference, but wasn't sure.

What then, about Holm? He obviously didn't rise through the organization because of his bat (.240/.332/.387 career minor league).

Also, wasn't Knoedler a pretty good defensive catcher? The Giants should have held on to him.

Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 9, 2008 4:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

STEVE HOLM!

Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue...

by UnleashTheGore on Apr 9, 2008 5:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you're still sniffing the glue, I see

what I meant was, what's the story with Holm's defense? I take it, he's considered a defensive catcher, no?

Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 9, 2008 10:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Johnson was just DFA'd, shouldn't take much, if anything, to get him. There is no good reason not to take a chance on him.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=21&entry_id=25562

Adopted Giant Brian Wilson: One of the few reasons to watch this year.

by sfgreg on Apr 9, 2008 12:19 PM PDT   0 recs

iawtc

Why the hell not.

Derin McMains had five fingers, but he only used three.

by oooreebay on Apr 9, 2008 12:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Johnson would be a snug fit in a lineup already sporting Bocock.

Derin McMains had five fingers, but he only used three.

by oooreebay on Apr 9, 2008 12:21 PM PDT to parent up   1 recs

so it's time to jump on Johnson?

by tyrannoman on Apr 9, 2008 12:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He's all your Sabean!

Now do the right thing and grab your Johnson.

Bochy will thrust this Johnson into an opening the first chance he gets.

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Apr 9, 2008 12:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

All Your Sabean Belong to You

we sure as hell don't want him

Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Apr 9, 2008 1:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Couldn't we get Dick Pole, Dick Green and Dick Nibbler to all come out of retirement and play for the Giants?

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Apr 9, 2008 12:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And Dick Trickle to give up racing to come to baseball!

Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue...

by UnleashTheGore on Apr 9, 2008 1:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't forget

the upcoming Bocock to Johnson DP!

by tyrannoman on Apr 9, 2008 1:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

When Bocock and Johnson tean up on a DP, the ladies squeal!

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Apr 9, 2008 1:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Fun for everyone who likes Johnson

I know a few fellows who would find this just as appealing.

Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 9, 2008 2:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

DP

Um...I thought that was limited to women...because they have two...um..never mind.

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Apr 9, 2008 2:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There is a film called Harlem Knights that explains this whole thing

Jeez do I have to learn you guys everything?

Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 9, 2008 2:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Can we DFA Durham?

And bring up Denker to play 2nd???
If our infield isn't good, at least let us spend each game thinking of penis jokes for 3/4 of them.

Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.

by jasomack on Apr 9, 2008 5:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How about

a trade for Nick Punto? Then it could be a Bocock to Punto to Johnson DP!

by tyrannoman on Apr 10, 2008 11:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

that sure is a lot of old dick

by wilriv21 on Apr 9, 2008 1:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nothing worse than a bunch of wrinkly old dicks.

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Apr 9, 2008 1:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You realize

that you are merely propogating stereotypes about the city of san francisco :)

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Apr 9, 2008 1:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm reminded of the old joke:
What's the best thing to come out of a penis? The wrinkles!

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Apr 9, 2008 2:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I just looked at Johnson's stats

And I think he would be an excellent Waivers pickup. Grab him, shift Orty back to OF - and send timpner back down.

And buy him a plane ticket this time.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Apr 9, 2008 12:26 PM PDT   0 recs

No

Timpner has to drive back. Rent-a-Wreck doesn't do one-way rentals.

Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.

by Kitspool on Apr 9, 2008 12:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sell Johnson...Buy Quiuntero

Dan Johnson is like Ray Durham. Decent player when healthy... which is seldom . What the stats tell
you doesn't tell you enough--2004 Vertigo; 2005 Decent Season-.806 OPS; 2006 Double Vision;
2007 Torn Hip Cartilage/Demoted to AAA; 2008 Illness-Lost 15 lbs. Hardly seems worth taking a flyer
on with his constant health problems.

Quintero would probably be an upgrade at back-up catcher. Offensively, has put-up decent numbers in
ML. Defensively, is highly-regarded and said to have an accurate, very powerful arm. Nice to have if
you're a running team and want to keep the other team's running game in check until you can conjure
a run in the late innings.

by lettinitfly on Apr 9, 2008 2:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If no Johnson...

....DP jokes are severley limited.

Good point on general health. It is a laundry list of issues, like a less talented Rocco Baldelli.

by tyrannoman on Apr 9, 2008 2:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But think of the many variations on the humpty hump from Humberto.

I think the McCovan are up to such a challenge if Sabean & Co would issue it. Excuse me now but I need to get some glasses with a nose now. Just in case.

I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain.

by daveinexile on Apr 11, 2008 12:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You know, that actually makes me more interested in Johnson, not less. (Cue Goofus.) The constant health problems suggest that he might have some talent that has never had the chance to develop, and thus if he gets healthy, we might have a real player on our hands.

by Evan on Apr 9, 2008 2:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I've already adopted him on the other thread. I'm glad to see you're saying nice things about my Johnson.

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Apr 9, 2008 2:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So you agree that your Johnson has never had the chance to develop its talent?

by Evan on Apr 9, 2008 2:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think what he meant is that his Johnson is always injured, which is the reason for it's performance issues.

by mxmob33 on Apr 9, 2008 4:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes

And it's proof that injuries can occur from over-use.

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Apr 9, 2008 4:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the jokes make you more interested? Nice.

by tyrannoman on Apr 9, 2008 2:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dan Johnson would be far better than anything else the Giants currently have at 1B. Plus he's still got a little upside considering his college and minor league track record.

by mxmob33 on Apr 9, 2008 1:22 PM PDT   0 recs

I've said it once, I'll say it again: Having Johnson drastically improves the quality of life.

Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 9, 2008 2:18 PM PDT   0 recs

I've always felt that way.

I would be sad if I lost it...

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Apr 9, 2008 2:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm a fella so Johnson is hard to like and very overrated, however, you fellas are in SF so you just may like Johnson.

by wilriv21 on Apr 9, 2008 3:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This team needs a Johnson.

I'm an ESPN Insider!

by The Thrill on Apr 9, 2008 2:27 PM PDT   0 recs

Hmmm...trying to come up with another witty quip to counter yours...But is there possibly another phallic sounding player on the Giants? Hmmmm...

by dw4848 on Apr 9, 2008 2:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Tomorrow's headline: Team more relaxed today after getting Johnson last night

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Apr 9, 2008 2:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Or

For the Giants, Johnson comes at the right time.

by WilliamVanLandingham on Apr 9, 2008 2:45 PM PDT   0 recs

Time to revisit Angles talks?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3338232

With their bullpen shaky as it is, if K-Rod goes on the DL, maybe it's time to rekindle the trade talks with LAA. Hennessey & Molina for Napoli and Kotchman?

by tyrannoman on Apr 9, 2008 2:54 PM PDT   0 recs

"Time to revisit Angles talks?"

No thanks, I hated geometry.

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 9, 2008 3:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Angles talks

I think Kurt and Karen are happy where they are.

SAVE_US.RAY
Get yer Nattowear

by Natto on Apr 9, 2008 3:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

PLEASE

Sell HIGH on Molina now. Bring in some youth and would accept that trade with the Angels with open arms

by ACgiant97 on Apr 9, 2008 3:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ack, really?

Holm and Alfonso behind the dish? Scary thought.

Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Apr 9, 2008 3:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

no argument from me

It's going to be a long, grim season no matter what. If you can something worthwhile for Slolina, I say do it.

Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Apr 9, 2008 5:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nah...

...after they trade Molina, Sandoval gets called up from San Jose!

2008: My previous assessment may have been overly optimistic.

by EliminateMe on Apr 9, 2008 5:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

w00t w00t!

I endorse this message

Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Apr 9, 2008 5:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes Please

Molina and Winn may be the only two tradeable pieces the Giants have. My prediction is Molina has a big first half and Sabean gets some interesting offers for him. But then we get a quote like this:

At the end of the day it just wasn't prudent to trade our cleanup hitter for a player that may or may not be major league ready.

by mxmob33 on Apr 9, 2008 3:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

At least

ONE other person here understands the term "fire sale". I wonder if this team is lousy enough whether Winn would decide that maybe the no-trade clause is hurting his career (although I also believe that any clauses like that can be bought out with enough money or other bribery).

My only reservation is that Molina may be a good influence on Cain and Lincecum. That said, I'm sure there are old catchers hanging around somewhere that would be good influences on them, and I don't mean any on the roster now. (Wouldn't you think that if you have two franchise pitchers and several good young arms that you would, you know, want to develop a good catcher along with them? Or have a Jake Taylor/Crash Davis type around? I hoped that's what was happening when G-Rod was called up last year, but instead it was just incompetent roster management. Whoda thunk it.)

by natteringnabob on Apr 9, 2008 4:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh my god

We're having a fire ... sale.

Long live Arrested Development!

by withclubsauce on Apr 9, 2008 5:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Only tradeable pieces the Giants have?

I'm sure a few teams would be interested in Tyler Walker and possibly those two young outstanding starting pitchers we have.

I'm an ESPN Insider!

by The Thrill on Apr 9, 2008 4:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think we'll get much for Misch and Sanchez though.

SAVE_US.RAY
Get yer Nattowear

by Natto on Apr 9, 2008 5:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

SHINY SHINY!!!

Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Apr 9, 2008 5:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Walker

He's cheap and useful. And I really doubt he brings much back via trade considering he was on the scrap heap last year.

by mxmob33 on Apr 9, 2008 5:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I dunno if he has any current trade value...

...but in July, if he continues to pitch as well as he has, he definitely would fetch something.

2008: My previous assessment may have been overly optimistic.

by EliminateMe on Apr 9, 2008 5:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i strongly second this trade idea

STRONGLY!!!!!

"But if he's swinging at real flies, well, in that case there are two definite solutions: 1) Fresno 2) Ritalin." - howtheyscored

by CPGiant756 on Apr 9, 2008 5:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Be careful what you wish for...

...remember what happened last time the Giants were desperate for a first baseman and a likely looking candidate got DFA'd.

I hope they do pick him up, but I really hope they don't give up much to do it.

2008: My previous assessment may have been overly optimistic.

by EliminateMe on Apr 9, 2008 3:16 PM PDT   0 recs

Our Friends from AN had this to say about Johnson when asked

Good stuff: great patience, lots of BBs. Decent power.

Bad stuff: Horrible approach, rolls over on every single outside pitch. I don't think he's ever hit the ball to left field.
If you don't include Molinas, he is one of the 5 slowest guys in the majors. Soul crushing number of groundouts to the right side.

The bad stuff sounds like every Giants for the last 4-5 years.

http://www.baycityball.com

by xanthan on Apr 9, 2008 3:55 PM PDT   0 recs

I lose.

I botched that block quote.

Now my shame is known. -_-

http://www.baycityball.com

by xanthan on Apr 9, 2008 3:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

but the good stuff sounds like no one other than a certain left fielder (and maybe JT Snow).

I was THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Apr 9, 2008 4:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd say that Lamar had better than decent power. He's an upgrade, but thats more of a statement about how bad this team is than how good Dan Johnson actually is.

http://www.baycityball.com

by xanthan on Apr 9, 2008 4:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure, but for the price

I'll take it.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Apr 9, 2008 4:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Injuries?

I don't understand the whole vertigo thing. It sounds like a problem I have on some weekends. Is Johnson a heavy drinkiner?

I know the double-vision thing was from spraying sun screen into his face... very freakish. Does anyone know what the deal was with his recent illness that cost him 15 pounds? Did he gain it back?

Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.

by jasomack on Apr 9, 2008 6:54 PM PDT   0 recs

Johnson/Quintero

Johnson's worth a waiver claim if it gets that far, or giving up something of no value. Wouldn't want to give up anything of value though, and nor should we. Seems like we aren't interested, but that may change if the A's put him on waivers.

Quintero isn't a player i'd be too bothered about, but would probably be a slight upgrade, and would be worth a waiver claim. We obviously weren't interested in him though, as he cleared waivers & went to AAA.

Proud owner of the most boring Username!

by GiantFan on Apr 10, 2008 2:35 AM PDT   0 recs

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