Open Gameday Thread, 4/6
by Grant Brisbee on Apr 6, 2008 10:00 AM PDT
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PrintSan Francisco Giants at Milwaukee Brewers, Apr 6, 2008 11:05 AM PDT
Barry Zito against...Ben Sheets? Pfft. What does that guy make? Only $11M? He can't possibly be good. Yeah, call us when you get an ACE making $18M, Brewers. Then we can have an evenly matched ace-off.
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Isn't Zito only making like $14 million this year?
Thanks to the wonderful world of backloading.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
I knew some dink would come in here to make that point...
...I just didn't think it would be you. You broke my heart, Howie. You broke my heart.
by Grant Brisbee on Apr 6, 2008 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
But I always bring up the backloaded contracts
How could you not think it would be me?
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Grant -- with Vito here, it's not personal.
It's strictly contractual in nature.
Roberts LF
Velez RF
Lewis CF
Durham 2B
Castillo 3B
Aurilia 1B
Holm C
Bocock SS
I think I threw up in my mouth a little.
BTW, why does Bocock, who leads the team in OBP and OPS (yes, small sample size i know) batting 8th?
FREE VELEZ LEWIS HOLM BOCOCK
Oh... wait... let me try again...
free ortmeier davis?
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
On the bright side
1) Bengie Molina isn't batting cleanup
2) Aaron Rowand isn't batting behind Bengie Molina
That's two things I wanted to happen, happening!
I'm actually pretty happy to see the young lineup again. I just wish Aurilia wasn't a part of it.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Some habits die hard with Bochy
Giving a veteran plenty of time to hit.
Like all of 2007 and part of 2008.
OF alignment is interesting. Big "D" in the 4-hole. When does Sabean make that trade for the LHH 1b he keeps talking about? Best of luck to the rookie Holm in his start. Have Zito keep the ball down. Hope Zito gets some movement on his pitches today. Maybe today is the day the bullpen gets some rest. No, seriously.
Barry Zito
is gonna give you up, he's gonna let you down, he's gonna run around and desert you. He's gonna make you cry, he's gonna tell a lie and hurt you. He *is* however never gonna say goodbye.
Giants have
a higher team OBP than the Yankees, Rox, and two other teams. We're dead last in SLG though ....
(although I'm *sure* it's only a matter of time until the post-Bonds team spirit kicks in, and a few of the boys start slugging .863 and .812 ...)
A lopsided race to the deadly end
Between post-Bonds and post-Mortem for this team
Or...
Just Oprah?
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey. Leopard's buying me a car
I want a gas guzzler.
All you guys talk about is a gas emitter.
it's working fine for me at the moment
Make me proud again Hen
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Apr 6, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
#1 pick debut - Madison Bumgarner
Bumgarner gave up a single, dobule, run in the first inning. Oh yeah, he also struck out the side.
That game, even if it were Pony League
Is infinitely more interesting that the steaming horseapples in front of us here in Milwaukee today.
Dear Jonathan Sanchez...
...stay the hell away from our first-round picks!
For now, at least.
by Grant Brisbee on Apr 6, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Huzzah!
Finally a chance to watch a game... so what if it's on Gameday.
I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.
ho boy
He struck out the side in like 4 pitches.
Perhaps if he set it neck-high
And Zito, jogging, doesn't see it....
do you remember as a kid tying a line across the street at night and hanging a newspaper from it and watched cars drive into it ?
That was you?
My dad is preparing the lawsuit, Wil
check swing, check swing, check swing...
by GiantsFanInExile on Apr 6, 2008 11:11 AM PDT reply actions
Johan Santana
just doubled for the Mets. That has nothing to do with anything, but somehow it adds to my misery.
It adds to my stack
of miscellaneous and useless statistics
with this lineup.....
sheets may get another no-hitter today.
by vivalancellotti on Apr 6, 2008 11:12 AM PDT reply actions
with 27 strikeouts
Make me proud again Hen
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Apr 6, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
He may not need to use Zito's faux tricks
Such as hiding behind an inpenetrable curtain of line drives
It's been a few years since I read Moneyball, but if I remember right, Michael Lewis went on about how the A's were smarter than other teams because the were the only ones who realized Barry Zito was a better pitcher than Ben Sheets. I think most Giants fans would disagree about that particular assessment after watching the first inning.
poor Holm
can't possibly throw out the runner with Zito, even if he pitches out with his 84 mph fastball..
by SFGAmsterdam on Apr 6, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm trying to figure out the effectiveness of a changeup when it's only 6mph slower than his fastball.
It's all about lulling them to sleep... I guess
/endpositivemode
by SFGAmsterdam on Apr 6, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
The fastball can be knocked into the tenth row
The changeup, with a critical 6 mph missing, 78 is usually only a triple off the wall
1st inning
As thrilling as it was to see Zito navigate a scoreless first inning, this has to be seen as the game that marks the sayonara to any hope of seeing .500 again this year. There is no way this team will ever manage a four-game win streak.
EME
I'll do that the same way you will, reading Steve S. religiously. I'm nearest Norwich in terms of our minor league teams but actually a long way away in New Jersey. I try to see them in Trenton against the Yankees farm team.
by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
My best chance will be to see them later this year
When they're all called up to replace the drek we are currently witnessing
What suckage!
Can't even take a no-hitter past the second inning.
by sfgiantsflgators on Apr 6, 2008 11:26 AM PDT reply actions
I was all set to bitch and moan about Aurilia being in the lineup every day...
...and then he goes and ruins it by getting a base hit.
Bochy's patience with Aurilia
for a year and a half has finally paid this sumptuous dividend
first major league hit for holm!
Should have been a double?
was it an infield hit?
gameday says it was a liner to hall
by vivalancellotti on Apr 6, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
it was a down the third baseline, past hall and it hit the umpire
Make me proud again Hen
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Apr 6, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Fat ass umpire blocked it just past third.
by sfgiantsflgators on Apr 6, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
But technically,
I think the Giants are playing snookers, not baseball
Holm!
So think about his story:
"Got my first hit off Ben Sheets, oh and I got a piece of that fat ump on 3rd on the way"
Put that hunk a ump on your Giants Mantle
it will harmoniously reek with the rest of the 2008 season
Hall
Is just OVERPOWERED by Zito's fastballs.
Definitely should have made the play
...but I'm not thinking he gets the guy at first anyway.
by sfgiantsflgators on Apr 6, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
And Holm.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
And Velez.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 6, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Velez
Is just trying to make everything a bit harder than it should be.
Nothing quite so hard, though
as those iron hands of his
Velez had a nice inning with the glove.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
I don't know where my good marketing team is
Is I know where my bad baseball team is.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
Is I know?
Is don't know where my typing are
But is know where are baseball my.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
You gotta say it in a somewhat high-pitched Texas accent. ::takes five points::
I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.
by KyrieEleison on Apr 6, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
By the way
At the beginning of the game, Krukow said something about Winn being "on the shelf." They haven't mentioned him since, and I can't find anything online - is he hurt somehow or what?
He stinks.
So he's on that shelf with the hunk a ump.
team slugging percentage
just went up 10-fold
"If I can change and you can change, then everybody can change!" Rocky Balboa, Rocky IV
Velez
Showing the flaws in the ground rule double rule.
If you're on second before the ball goes over the wall, it should be a triple.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
If you're on second before the ball goes over the wall
You should be on the Olympic 400M relay team
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 6, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Is double-plus grit the next step up?
I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.
by KyrieEleison on Apr 6, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Similar Mystery with Zito
How does he generate all those opposing shots in all directions?
Have you seen his batting stance?
He uses his body like a spring to get as much forward bat speed as possible.
I'm only kind of joking. His batting stance is FunKy.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Say all you want
but Velez does excite the game
what's more depressing today...
our lineup or the warriors from 3-point land?
Dodgers fans eat their young.
Not really depressing
Once you accept the team for what it is, it's not really depressing. It's kind of interesting to watch the young guys getting their stab at the Majors. You'll see less and less of the old-timers as the year progresses.
by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
i get depressed that once the other team scores 4 runs i know it's a loss...
but watching the youngins is fun... do you hear that bochy?
Dodgers fans eat their young.
i agree
our lineup doesn't depress me when Velez, Lewis, et al. are in it. When it's filled with geriatrics that have no hope of improving - yeah, that depresses me.
so, yay= Velez, Lewis, Castilla, Holm, Bocock
boo = Roberts, Durham, Aurilia
by sweetjuxtapose on Apr 6, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
what's depressing is having to watch zito pitch
by i wish we were good on Apr 6, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 6, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
yep.
i wish the Knicks were a baseball team. We could trade Zito for Zach Randolph and a bag of chips.
by sweetjuxtapose on Apr 6, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
More fun
Which Major League pitcher would you NOT trade Zito for?
by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously
Which Major League pitchers are not as valuable as Zito?
by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Knicks
Sabean would probably turn down Randolph and demand Marbury
by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Eating Aurilia's and Roberts' contracts will be an appetizer for Sabean
Wait until he has to devour the Zito leviathan.
The day is coming sooner, rather than later, to use our GM's terminology.
The news from Augusta(game 1 of doubleheader)
Bumgarner's line: 3 IP, 7H, 5ER, 0BB/6K's
Villalona: 1 for 3, RBI single, strikeout and popout
by i wish we were good on Apr 6, 2008 11:47 AM PDT reply actions
I am still so confused
when I hear Kendall batting in the ninth slot...
Weeks' hit
Flem says fastball was below the zone. Former pitchers out there: is that the real problem with Zito's speed? Batters miss 94 mph mistakes but the free swingers can tattoo slower ones.
Conversation
Zito: "My pitches are sucking, aren't they?"
Holm: "Yup."
Zito: "Alright then."
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
Holm can't start out this relationship by obviously lying to his pitcher. Zito was just testing what kind of character he was.
by non sequitur on Apr 6, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Holm should be supplied with Avon products
So when he goes out to the mound, he can put lipstick on that pig
Who is San Jose playing?
I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.
by KyrieEleison on Apr 6, 2008 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks. Would have been interesting if they were playing Modesto.
I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.
by KyrieEleison on Apr 6, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
these commentators have to sense that they're lying through their teeth
"got a real pitcher's duel, eh?"
"yeah, it's fun to watch"
Forget the salary
This game, so far, shows Zito needs crisp fielding and a modicum of luck (the occasional line drive at some one instead of in the gap) to get off a "quality" start. Does that make him a legitimate No. 4 pitcher or is he not even that good.
he's a four on an average staff
but he's a four or five on ours
by sweetjuxtapose on Apr 6, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Luck is the shameful watchword with Zito
Cain had none last year, and we could still see his greatness
Decline
It will be interesting to see how he handles his continuing decline. My sense is that he's basically a good guy and reasonably smart. The question is whether he can transform himself into Jamey Moyer and, if so, will it happen in time for us to get some of the benefit.
by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
and run support
"If I can change and you can change, then everybody can change!" Rocky Balboa, Rocky IV
Probably. I'd agree he's a 4th starter on a normal team...
And to answer the earlier question, there are some pitchers I wouldn't take over Zito. Josh Fogg. Florida's #4 and 5, whoever they are. The ghost of Odalis Perez.
I like NN's point, above ... it'll be interesting to see of Zito and adjust into a Jamey Moyer model.
Extra base hits
a dime a dozen
"If I can change and you can change, then everybody can change!" Rocky Balboa, Rocky IV
Exactly.
Gamers don't need extra base hits. They get by on speed and defense along.
I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.
by KyrieEleison on Apr 6, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean alone.
Don't mind me, I need a nap.
I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.
by KyrieEleison on Apr 6, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Heck no
And yet, I wish, because then I could have occasion to talk to him about his managing techniques.
I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.
by KyrieEleison on Apr 6, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, he also has half of the team's diving on top of balls plays
by sweetjuxtapose on Apr 6, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 6, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Some say it's swagger
But when Durham hits the ground, I call it jiggle
you mean he looks like he's sweating out a 4 day bender?
by Giants_Longhorns_Fan on Apr 6, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Too early
Probably a deal but remember Fukudome hasn't been around long enough for pitchers to have a book on him. It will be interesting to see what happens his second time around the league.
by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes,
FukU looks good: very good plate approach, ie fouls of good pitches that he cannot hit, ignores pitches that he doesn't like, then hits the pitches he wants. Combined with good D, and the ability to run.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
Rally
It's best that we not rile up the Brewers too much by scoring while Zito is still pitching. If we can stay close enough to catch up in the inning when we pinch hit for Zito, things might work out.
We've tried this complex strategy in every game this year
we're about to go 1-5 with it
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 6, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
This 1-5 of which you speak intrigues me...
When exactly have we won? I must have missed something.
I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.
by KyrieEleison on Apr 6, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
It could have been earlier this very season
which, as we all know, began in 2005
Strategy
I didn't say it was good. I said it was the best available. If you were thrown out of a plane without a parachute, wouldn't you still spread your arms and legs out and maybe even flap a bit for the hell of it?
by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 6, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Followed by his pesky sister
and her 45 collection
War Stories
When I was a kid a pitcher (Tony Cloniger) hit two grand slams in a game. It was against the Giants.
And a single, for nine RBI's
Match that, 2008 Giant midgets of a lesser god
Facing a tough pitcher with good control, backed by one of the most potent ofeenses in MLB. Is there a game this season where the odds of a Giants win are longer?
you can't block the Bocock
We had one of those in the earlier part of the decade
It faded, along with our ability to spell it
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 6, 2008 12:28 PM PDT reply actions
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 6, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Show some respect!
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 6, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
So that's where he got the idea...
I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.
by KyrieEleison on Apr 6, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
What the hell is he doing here in Milwaukee. I thought he was the Boston Red Sox's mascot.
by non sequitur on Apr 6, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Four runs
Which Zito do we prefer, the 4 in the first followed by three shutout innings or today's version?
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 6, 2008 12:36 PM PDT reply actions
I'm just reading this now at work and I am laughing hysterically. These Sabean cartoons are awesome!!111!
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Apr 6, 2008 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the spirit, quitur
It ain't really Zito's fault.
If it were fully Sabean's fault, he would fired by now.
Magowan must have been behind that hideous signing.
I do remember reading that Giants scouts approving this and saying Zito would do very well in the NL
You mean those scouts that recommended
signing alfonzo, finley, roberts, aurilia, pryrshinski, matheny, durham, benitez, kline, messenger, hindenburg, chulk. vizcaino, greene, sweeney, and other boatloads of flotsam that are out baseball 5 minutes after leaving the Giants?
Yes. I believe you are correct.
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
So
Maybe this eliminates the myth that Barry Zito can be any good before June.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
Oh he's good
just not good at pitching. But he can shred on the gittar !!1!!!!!
by natteringnabob on Apr 6, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
It's awesome that we're paying $14M a year to the left handed version of Kyle Lohse.
http://www.baycityball.com
More than that on average!
See Grant, equal opportunity.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
yes
yes
yes
yes
yesyesyesyesyesyesyes
by natteringnabob on Apr 6, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
At least until they score 48 runs
then dfa him
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
also
for everyone on this staff not named Lincecum or Cain
by natteringnabob on Apr 6, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I knew this weekend was going to be bad
Since they killed the Giants last year. But I did not expect to have Gabe Kapler showing up our pitchers.
Bob Uecker is coming out of retirement
to hit against Zito
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Holm's is thinking
Was there anyone this bad on the Norwich staff last year?
Holm is thinking
I've caught fewer pitches than those fans in left field...
Or Holm's thinking
Let 'em have a couple more. Then the Brewer pitchers will groove their pitches to get this sucker over with as fast as possible and maybe I'll get another hit.
by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Be kind Dusty
The Reds have a couple of young fine arms in Cueto and Volquezx. They could surprise this year if the kids continue to develop.
So does the Brewer's mascot just stand around the top of that big slide the entire game waiting for Brewers to hit home runs so he can go down? Sounds like a slightly tedious job.
Other jobs in Wisconsin
include cowtipping, pumping gas, and measuring wheat stalks
Dont forget the club scene
where the bouncers dress up in pirates costumes and serenade you with "free credit report dot com"
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Tedious job
3rd base coach for the Giants
Formerly known
as Maytag Repairman and tolltaker on the northbound lanes of the GG bridge
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
In relative terms
We have only begun to taste the delights of Zito outings.
Six more years, laddies, plus an option.
Like eating poop
taste the delights of Zito outings.
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Durahm veteran savvy GIDP
He has Aurilia looking over his shoulder now
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 12:49 PM PDT reply actions
Veteran Savvy huzzah
Dave Roberts: .154 BA, no walks
Ray Durham: .200 BA
Rich Aurilia: .222 BA, .222 SLG
Randy Winn: .263 BA, .316 SLG
How to put us over the top into a playoff contender: bring Steve Scarsone out of retirement.
And Steve Sax
as a late inning defensive replacement
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't forget Steve Stone
To protect our...our...our leads!
(Explodes into raucous laughter)
Aaron "Swag" Rowand
by victor frankenstein on Apr 7, 2008 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions
probably not
because we won't be on base enough, or we'll get picked off to often
by SFGAmsterdam on Apr 6, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
It means have to get on base AND make contact
Too many ifs
Great highlight!
Yaz hitting a homerun in the 75 All Star Game.
Fucking insult to injury
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 12:52 PM PDT reply actions
Home runs used to be the SF franchise lifeblood
Now we're thinking of moving the fences in.
With luck, global warming will push McCovey Cove up near the infield dirt.
Yeah. Crystal Meth
out of the back of a station wagon
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Mop Up
Sad to say but if you're goal is to get into a lot of games and you're a Giants reliever, the primo job might be mop up man.
Bo knows defense
"If I can change and you can change, then everybody can change!" Rocky Balboa, Rocky IV
Blasphemy?
Is Bocock better defensively than Omar is at this stage? The arm he has is really a big plus
Go Durham, Roberts, Aurilia, Vizquel, Winn, Lowry! The better you do, the quicker we can trade you!
Yes and range
Omar has advantage with positioning and though. Bocock has more range, stronger arm. Omar also gets paid more so Omar will play. Thats how we plan to lock up the basement as well as ensure we make as little progress for the future as well.
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Not yet
Bocock may have surpassed him on the basics -- range, arm strength, speed, etc. -- but Omar still knows a huge amount Bocock needs to learn about positioning on particular hitters and the tricks of the trade, like when to throw behind a runner rounding third, how to take the feed from the second baseman on the outside of the glove on a dp and so forth.
by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
And the best time to learn let him learn is when the team sucks.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
His high was induced
by some Mendo Trainwreck smoked before gametime
I recall it was around the speed
of a pumpkin lobbed at Icahabod Crane
much better than the 82 he was getting last start
My pictures never show up here, so this is my new Signature
true sir true I just heard that there is some interest from my slow pitch softball team
In the Services of Zito although he will have to get his velocity up a little
Average?
I think the average was lower. 86 might have been when he was overthrowing off the plate. At Barry's speed, it's not pace but movement and location that is the key. Cf. Greg Maddux
by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The average velocity was Suck.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I always liked him though and still would like to see him do well
But man if he were a free agent right now I am not sure if he could get 1 mill a year
Not even minimum... he's done.
He's been on a downward slide for years, and unless he gets on peds (which I highly recommend btw) he is through.
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
You may express your joy
However, please sip the bile when it's passed to you
Abudantly true, A's fan
What I mean is try not to gloat, and even, occasionally, commiserate with us.
Trust me I would love to see Zito do well for you guys
So we could get Oakland vs SF in the world series too bad both teams are not very good. I really do not know what is wrong with Zito I think it could be 2 thing either he is injured or he is not taking HGH or Steroids anymore.
Or he flat out sucks?
Aaron "Swag" Rowand
by victor frankenstein on Apr 7, 2008 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Zito = Posterboy
for everything that is wrong with this team.
Bad scouting
Overpaid
Slacker
Long term commitment
Horseshit player
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 1:07 PM PDT reply actions
Not that his contract isn't a huge waste, but the main problem with the Giants isn't massively overpaid big-name pitchers, it's moderately overpaid no-name position players. So the real poster boy would probably be someone more like Dave Roberts.
its both. the zito signing is worse from a PR standpoint
it is the lighting rod for all the ire.
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
We can't come back to win
But watch. We'll come back for more, starting tomorrow.
The first Opening day where you will hear boos
when introductions are made. I would suggest bochy not start roberts or aurilia.
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
hopefully to include some JU 88s, me-110s, fw 190s, bf-109s
and a v-2 or two just for good measure.
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't taking an April Fools joke to Day 6 a bit much?
Let's break out the real lineup, guys. Okay?
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It says something about our lineup
that, technically, our Drive of the Game didn't leave the infield.
The Drive Of The Game
is seeing AT & T in your rear view
Aaron "Swag" Rowand
by victor frankenstein on Apr 7, 2008 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Sadly, the Giants roster is composed of Boss Hawgs
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
He wears his sunglasses at night.
I made this joke with WAY better context and timing in front of some of my friends and they didn't get it.
But how can you watch Cory Hart and NOT think of that song?
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
At the AAA All Star Game in Sacramento 2005, they played that song over the PA system when he came to bat. I LOL'd.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 6, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
pt for youngsters
Ive been lurking for a long time. Lived in sf for 5 years but Im a brewer fan to the core. I feel real bad for you guys. I just dont get why ortmeier doesnt start over richie
Sabean apparently views Ortmeier
As a Wisconsin Bratwurst salesman
Fielding
Richie is still a better fielder at 1B than Ort. They have to be concerned about having the pitchers routinely be forced to get 4 or 5 outs an inning. We are already compromising on fielding by playing Fred Lewis and Velez.
by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
If you're concerned about D,
Ray Durham has no business starting.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
to be fair
Velez has looked really solid in right today.
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.
Yes he has. Both he and Fred played great D today.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 6, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope so
it's hard to tell from the radio broadcast what kind of jumps they are getting and the routes they are running. One call described Lewis "running out of room" and the ball bouncing off the base of the wall. They can't both be true.
by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
that one wasn't on Freddie
it was hit to the base of the wall, he just couldn't get to it in time
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Both Fred and Eugenio made good plays off the carom. I'm used to watching our fielders flail at a ball hit off the wall, but both those guys made clean pickups on the balls off the wall.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 6, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Threets vs. Sheets
The matchup. OF THE CENTURY.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 6, 2008 1:26 PM PDT reply actions
Threets Meets Sheets
Thousands of Empty Seats
by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Giants fans are Threets Sheets to the wind by now.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 6, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I stalked up the liquor cabinet
when Sabean mumbled something about speed and defense last October
I haven't been sober since 2002.
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My kingdom for a bottle
I meant to stock up, not stalk up.
But when it gets desperate, I'd stalk my neighbor and her cabinet for liquor.
threets makes Prince wince
with a breaking ball up and ince.
(sorry)
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.
well, he is pitching against the most anemic lineup in MLB
but he's had great stuff all day. his breaking ball has been absurd all day.
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.
dollar for dollar
the worst lineup in MLB history...mover over cleveland spiders.
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants should be getting Dan Johnson from the A's
Soon and he does have some pop from the left side of the plate you wont be hearing much grab some pine meat
can we get Don Johnson instead?
Looks better in orange.
by natteringnabob on Apr 6, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Do we have to take Tubbs too?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 6, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
That's where it is!
Tell him to give it back to Zito
one more run ought to about do it for
a zito started game...run an inning is all we ask
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 1:34 PM PDT reply actions
awesome
2nd shutout in a week.
Giants are the lighted bag of shit left on the doorstep in the middle of the night.
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 1:35 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
at about 1/3 of the cost
and only temporary.
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
One's asleep
The other's in a Sabean-induced Coma
Fred Lewis
Lining out softly to Ryan Braun
Lining out softly
to Ryan Braun
Taking his seat
in the dugout
Lining out softly
to Ryan Braun.
That's all I can stands, I can't stands no more!
Nice, but there's quite a bit more to say about how Braun played it. He seemed relieved to have caught it.
I like to leave that sort of thing to the audience's imagination.
However...
Fred did feel all flushed with fever
embarassed by his out
He watched Braun catch his line drive
then throw it to the crowd.
That's all I can stands, I can't stands no more!
I prayed the game would finish
But they just kept on playing...
yeah. well you just wait til barry starts pitching right handed
mr. smarty pants neeener neeener neeener.
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd love to conduct the postgame interview
I'd ask Sheets if he's good to pitch tomorrow's game.
That's all I can stands, I can't stands no more!
109 total pitches
i think Timmy threw that many during the rain delay earlier in the week
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.
I wasn't kidding when I put the overunder on 400 runs this year.
I figured them to average about 2.5 runs per game. Or about 405 runs if they play all 162. I figure they will probably lose 1 game to a rainout that wont' be replayed so figure 402 runs. Run off. and voila. Last year they averaged 4.2 runs per game with Barry. I figure Barry was good for a run and a half per game in which he played or about 150 runs. That takes you from 683 to about 533. Everybody else is about 15% less due to age so that accounts for 15% of 533 or approximately 80 runs. To that puts us at 453 projected in a vacum. The rest of the West pitching got stronger though, so throw out another 50 or so runs and we end up at 400 runs.
It could happen.
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
so to extrapolate from the first two series:
50% of games to be blowout losses
33.3% to be close losses
16.6% to be close wins
Final tally: 27-135
He's a little lightheaded
from the fumes. Had a sack of poop burning on his porch
what is a gamer
.167 winning percentage
by natteringnabob on Apr 6, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Below the Mendoza line to the Interstate
Soon to be a bingo card
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you need some randomization on the close losses
I mean over the course of the year a few of those are going to turn into blowouts.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
shit in their own beds
and sleep in the dugout
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Peering ahead to Steve S.
Connecticut wins again with more strong pitching. If Rosario keeps this up, Bocock may have another challenger as Vizquel's successor.
Rosario
They signed him out of independent ball -- a former Rays minor leaguer who led the Can-Am league in a bunch of categories last year.
PS
Credit where due -- this info from Greg's Connecticut Defenders blog. Rosario led the league in hits and was close to the top in the other categories, to be more specific.
by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Nearest you beat me to it. I like Rosario. I'm watching him and Palazzolo closely.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 6, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Rosario, Palazzolo, Gambino, Bonnano, Delacroce.
We are Family....
by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Glad I missed this pile of crap.
We made Sheets look like the next coming of Cy Young. Zito looked like a AAA starter with arm problems. If you are play Ortmeir than play him. Give Auriella the rest of his life off. Why is Henny still any where near the team? Could he be any worse?
Just bring the kids up at least then we would have an excuse for looking this bad. ARGH!!!!!
Sometimes you just have to take a dump.
No difference between 3-0 and 7-0
This was a perfect game for Henny Penny. In fact, he should be saved up for the games Zito starts- 5 innings for Zueter and 4 for Henny. If they're going to have any chance in the close games they need a mop up guy. Maybe two for this team (if only Yabu hadn't blinded himself with a rubber band).
by natteringnabob on Apr 6, 2008 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but who hasn't done that before?
Oh wait... were you talking about a real rubber band? I thought we were talking about... well, nevermind....
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by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I read that as
"Yeah, bu who hasn't done that before?
My adopted son Matt Downs. Bill Mueller without the two-flap helmet .
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