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San Francisco Giants @ Milwaukee Brewers


Barry Zito against...Ben Sheets? Pfft. What does that guy make? Only $11M? He can't possibly be good. Yeah, call us when you get an ACE making $18M, Brewers. Then we can have an evenly matched ace-off.

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Isn't Zito only making like $14 million this year?

Thanks to the wonderful world of backloading.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 10:09 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I knew some dink would come in here to make that point...

...I just didn't think it would be you. You broke my heart, Howie. You broke my heart.

by Grant on Apr 6, 2008 10:16 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But I always bring up the backloaded contracts

How could you not think it would be me?

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 10:29 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Roberts LF
Velez RF
Lewis CF
Durham 2B
Castillo 3B
Aurilia 1B
Holm C
Bocock SS

I think I threw up in my mouth a little.

BTW, why does Bocock, who leads the team in OBP and OPS (yes, small sample size i know) batting 8th?

by Viliphied on Apr 6, 2008 10:10 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And why is He of the Terrible Defense in CF?

by Viliphied on Apr 6, 2008 10:11 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, you have to expect Bocock to eventually remember that he's Brian Bocock. I haven't seen all his base hits, but the strikeouts I've seen have been all Bococked up.

Can't answer the CF question.

Go Steve Holm! First MLB start, right? I just hope he doesn't embarrass himself.

by wedge on Apr 6, 2008 10:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FREE VELEZ LEWIS HOLM BOCOCK

Oh... wait... let me try again...

free ortmeier davis?

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 10:31 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On the bright side

1) Bengie Molina isn't batting cleanup
2) Aaron Rowand isn't batting behind Bengie Molina

That's two things I wanted to happen, happening!

I'm actually pretty happy to see the young lineup again. I just wish Aurilia wasn't a part of it.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 10:33 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some habits die hard with Bochy

Giving a veteran plenty of time to hit.

Like all of 2007 and part of 2008.

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 10:40 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OF alignment is interesting. Big "D" in the 4-hole. When does Sabean make that trade for the LHH 1b he keeps talking about? Best of luck to the rookie Holm in his start. Have Zito keep the ball down. Hope Zito gets some movement on his pitches today. Maybe today is the day the bullpen gets some rest. No, seriously.

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 10:33 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Barry Zito

is gonna give you up, he's gonna let you down, he's gonna run around and desert you. He's gonna make you cry, he's gonna tell a lie and hurt you. He *is* however never gonna say goodbye.

by SnowLeopard on Apr 6, 2008 10:36 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he has no reason to

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 10:38 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Giants have

a higher team OBP than the Yankees, Rox, and two other teams. We're dead last in SLG though ....

(although I'm *sure* it's only a matter of time until the post-Bonds team spirit kicks in, and a few of the boys start slugging .863 and .812 ...)

by SnowLeopard on Apr 6, 2008 10:43 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A lopsided race to the deadly end

Between post-Bonds and post-Mortem for this team

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 10:47 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SLUGGING??

Hell, I'd be happy if they OPS'ed those #s....

by Viliphied on Apr 6, 2008 10:48 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If the G-men OPS ,800 this year

I'm buying everyone in the McCoven a new car!

by SnowLeopard on Apr 6, 2008 10:53 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or...

Just Oprah?

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 10:59 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey. Leopard's buying me a car

I want a gas guzzler.

All you guys talk about is a gas emitter.

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 11:01 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh yeah also

we lead the majors in CS, sixth in batting strikeouts, and last in XBH. Swagger-y!

by SnowLeopard on Apr 6, 2008 11:00 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is MLB.tv working for anyone? I keep getting timed out.

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 10:52 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's working fine for me at the moment

Make me proud again Hen

by AndYourBirdCanSing on Apr 6, 2008 11:06 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

#1 pick debut - Madison Bumgarner

Bumgarner gave up a single, dobule, run in the first inning. Oh yeah, he also struck out the side.

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 10:54 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Go GreenJackets

Nooner is batting clean-up today and Big V is hitting 6th and gets the start at 1b.

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 11:01 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That game, even if it were Pony League

Is infinitely more interesting that the steaming horseapples in front of us here in Milwaukee today.

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 11:03 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bummer for Bumgarner

His pitching line for his debut:

3 innings
5 runs
7 hits
0 walks
6 Ks

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 11:07 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Six strikeouts in three innings is encouraging, though.

by MidKnight on Apr 6, 2008 11:10 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dear Jonathan Sanchez...

...stay the hell away from our first-round picks!

For now, at least.

by Grant on Apr 6, 2008 11:10 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huzzah!

Finally a chance to watch a game... so what if it's on Gameday.

I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.

by KyrieEleison on Apr 6, 2008 11:09 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wtf Sheets

guy is unconscious

Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Apr 6, 2008 11:10 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ho boy

He struck out the side in like 4 pitches.

by non sequitur on Apr 6, 2008 11:10 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sheets is setting the bar high for Zito

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 11:11 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perhaps if he set it neck-high

And Zito, jogging, doesn't see it....

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 11:12 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do you remember as a kid tying a line across the street at night and hanging a newspaper from it and watched cars drive into it ?

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 11:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was you?

My dad is preparing the lawsuit, Wil

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 11:16 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

got to get in line after that old lady who lives 5 door down. Boy was she upset.

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 11:18 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

check swing, check swing, check swing...

by GiantsFanInExile on Apr 6, 2008 11:11 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Johan Santana

just doubled for the Mets. That has nothing to do with anything, but somehow it adds to my misery.

by wedge on Apr 6, 2008 11:12 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It adds to my stack

of miscellaneous and useless statistics

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 11:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

with this lineup.....

sheets may get another no-hitter today.

by vivalancellotti on Apr 6, 2008 11:12 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

with 27 strikeouts

Make me proud again Hen

by AndYourBirdCanSing on Apr 6, 2008 11:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True sign of a faux ace: hiding behind the simple trick of not letting the other team hit the ball.

by 2X2L on Apr 6, 2008 11:12 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He may not need to use Zito's faux tricks

Such as hiding behind an inpenetrable curtain of line drives

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 11:14 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a veteran move right there, getting the radar gun to register the speed going out instead of the speed going in.

by 2X2L on Apr 6, 2008 11:21 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's been a few years since I read Moneyball, but if I remember right, Michael Lewis went on about how the A's were smarter than other teams because the were the only ones who realized Barry Zito was a better pitcher than Ben Sheets. I think most Giants fans would disagree about that particular assessment after watching the first inning.

by jcb9 on Apr 6, 2008 11:13 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GameDay had his FB at 85,-87, is this correct?

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 11:15 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Flem is saying 84 on the radio side.

by non sequitur on Apr 6, 2008 11:15 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

poor Holm

can't possibly throw out the runner with Zito, even if he pitches out with his 84 mph fastball..

by SFGAmsterdam on Apr 6, 2008 11:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm trying to figure out the effectiveness of a changeup when it's only 6mph slower than his fastball.

by MidKnight on Apr 6, 2008 11:22 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's all about lulling them to sleep... I guess

/endpositivemode

by SFGAmsterdam on Apr 6, 2008 11:23 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The fastball can be knocked into the tenth row

The changeup, with a critical 6 mph missing, 78 is usually only a triple off the wall

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 11:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

encouraging beginning for Mr Zito.

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 11:20 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1st inning

As thrilling as it was to see Zito navigate a scoreless first inning, this has to be seen as the game that marks the sayonara to any hope of seeing .500 again this year. There is no way this team will ever manage a four-game win streak.

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 11:23 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Norwich

Please keep an eye on our sleeper prospect EME.

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 11:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

EME

I'll do that the same way you will, reading Steve S. religiously. I'm nearest Norwich in terms of our minor league teams but actually a long way away in New Jersey. I try to see them in Trenton against the Yankees farm team.

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 11:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My best chance will be to see them later this year

When they're all called up to replace the drek we are currently witnessing

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 11:38 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What suckage!

Can't even take a no-hitter past the second inning.

by sfgiantsflgators on Apr 6, 2008 11:26 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There was no need to wait until now.

by 2X2L on Apr 6, 2008 11:27 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bochy's patience with Aurilia

for a year and a half has finally paid this sumptuous dividend

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 11:27 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He raked it down the third base line. Would've been a double easy, but it hit the umpire.

by jcb9 on Apr 6, 2008 11:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it was a down the third baseline, past hall and it hit the umpire

Make me proud again Hen

by AndYourBirdCanSing on Apr 6, 2008 11:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fat ass umpire blocked it just past third.

by sfgiantsflgators on Apr 6, 2008 11:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Steve-O !!!

You know, technically, we're not losing yet. GO GIANTS!

by wedge on Apr 6, 2008 11:27 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But technically,

I think the Giants are playing snookers, not baseball

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 11:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Holm!

So think about his story:

"Got my first hit off Ben Sheets, oh and I got a piece of that fat ump on 3rd on the way"

by SFGAmsterdam on Apr 6, 2008 11:28 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Put that hunk a ump on your Giants Mantle

it will harmoniously reek with the rest of the 2008 season

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 11:31 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm intrigued by this concept of reeking in harmonic frequency. Luckily we'll have the opportunity to explore it almost every day until October.

by 2X2L on Apr 6, 2008 11:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hall

Is just OVERPOWERED by Zito's fastballs.

by non sequitur on Apr 6, 2008 11:32 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rough error on Bocock

Who looks like he's about 2-3 grades ahead of Lincecum at junior high.

by jcb9 on Apr 6, 2008 11:34 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Definitely should have made the play

...but I'm not thinking he gets the guy at first anyway.

by sfgiantsflgators on Apr 6, 2008 11:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

STEVE HOLM

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 11:34 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hustlin' holm

Dodgers fans eat their young.

by redhornet78 on Apr 6, 2008 11:35 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice play by Velez, at least

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 11:36 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And Holm.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 11:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And Velez.

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 6, 2008 11:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hardy is a GAMER.

by jcb9 on Apr 6, 2008 11:36 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It wouldn't have looked as great if he'd gotten a better jump on it, though.

by jcb9 on Apr 6, 2008 11:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Velez

Is just trying to make everything a bit harder than it should be.

by SFGAmsterdam on Apr 6, 2008 11:37 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Velez had a nice inning with the glove.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 11:38 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know where my good marketing team is

Is I know where my bad baseball team is.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 11:38 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is I know?

Is don't know where my typing are

But is know where are baseball my.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 11:39 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Understand you I cannot.

by non sequitur on Apr 6, 2008 11:40 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

zito swings his purse

Dodgers fans eat their young.

by redhornet78 on Apr 6, 2008 11:40 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That' my purse! I don't know you!

(five points to anyone who gets that reference)

by jcb9 on Apr 6, 2008 11:42 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You gotta say it in a somewhat high-pitched Texas accent. ::takes five points::

I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.

by KyrieEleison on Apr 6, 2008 11:42 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By the way

At the beginning of the game, Krukow said something about Winn being "on the shelf." They haven't mentioned him since, and I can't find anything online - is he hurt somehow or what?

by jcb9 on Apr 6, 2008 11:41 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He stinks.

So he's on that shelf with the hunk a ump.

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 11:42 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

when will the Giants break out of their hitting slump?

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 11:42 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

team slugging percentage

just went up 10-fold

"If I can change and you can change, then everybody can change!" Rocky Balboa, Rocky IV

by WithTechron on Apr 6, 2008 11:43 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Velez

Now he'll have to steal 3rd

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 11:44 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Velez

Showing the flaws in the ground rule double rule.

If you're on second before the ball goes over the wall, it should be a triple.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 11:44 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Plus grit

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 6, 2008 11:45 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is double-plus grit the next step up?

I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.

by KyrieEleison on Apr 6, 2008 11:46 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Similar Mystery with Zito

How does he generate all those opposing shots in all directions?

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 11:46 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have you seen his batting stance?

He uses his body like a spring to get as much forward bat speed as possible.

I'm only kind of joking. His batting stance is FunKy.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 11:52 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Say all you want

but Velez does excite the game

by SFGAmsterdam on Apr 6, 2008 11:44 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what's more depressing today...

our lineup or the warriors from 3-point land?

Dodgers fans eat their young.

by redhornet78 on Apr 6, 2008 11:45 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not really depressing

Once you accept the team for what it is, it's not really depressing. It's kind of interesting to watch the young guys getting their stab at the Majors. You'll see less and less of the old-timers as the year progresses.

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 11:47 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i get depressed that once the other team scores 4 runs i know it's a loss...

but watching the youngins is fun... do you hear that bochy?

Dodgers fans eat their young.

by redhornet78 on Apr 6, 2008 11:50 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We expect better from the warriors, we dont expect anything from Bochy and the Giants.

by Tchli on Apr 6, 2008 11:47 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And how bizarre is it that the Warriors are the best Bay Area pro sports team?

by jcb9 on Apr 6, 2008 11:49 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i agree

our lineup doesn't depress me when Velez, Lewis, et al. are in it. When it's filled with geriatrics that have no hope of improving - yeah, that depresses me.

so, yay= Velez, Lewis, Castilla, Holm, Bocock

boo = Roberts, Durham, Aurilia

by sweetjuxtapose on Apr 6, 2008 11:50 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what's depressing is having to watch zito pitch

by i wish we were good on Apr 6, 2008 11:52 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chillax, broseph

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 6, 2008 11:53 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep.

i wish the Knicks were a baseball team. We could trade Zito for Zach Randolph and a bag of chips.

by sweetjuxtapose on Apr 6, 2008 11:54 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would trade Zito for Mike Hampton

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 11:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More fun

Which Major League pitcher would you NOT trade Zito for?

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 11:57 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hanley Ramirez because we already have a SS

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 11:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously

Which Major League pitchers are not as valuable as Zito?

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 11:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would trade Zito for anything including low A players

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 12:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ortiz... He'd cost you guys more at the buffet than Zitos contract

All the best Brits support the Diamondbacks!

by AZDarkKnight on Apr 7, 2008 2:12 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Knicks

Sabean would probably turn down Randolph and demand Marbury

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 11:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eating Aurilia's and Roberts' contracts will be an appetizer for Sabean

Wait until he has to devour the Zito leviathan.

The day is coming sooner, rather than later, to use our GM's terminology.

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 11:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The news from Augusta(game 1 of doubleheader)
Bumgarner's line: 3 IP, 7H, 5ER, 0BB/6K's

Villalona: 1 for 3, RBI single, strikeout and popout

by i wish we were good on Apr 6, 2008 11:47 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am still so confused

when I hear Kendall batting in the ninth slot...

by SFGAmsterdam on Apr 6, 2008 11:48 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weeks' hit

Flem says fastball was below the zone. Former pitchers out there: is that the real problem with Zito's speed? Batters miss 94 mph mistakes but the free swingers can tattoo slower ones.

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 11:53 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Conversation

Zito: "My pitches are sucking, aren't they?"
Holm: "Yup."
Zito: "Alright then."

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 11:53 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Holm can't start out this relationship by obviously lying to his pitcher. Zito was just testing what kind of character he was.

by non sequitur on Apr 6, 2008 11:55 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Holm should be supplied with Avon products

So when he goes out to the mound, he can put lipstick on that pig

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 11:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tim Alderson

starts for San Jose today, yes? game time 1:15...

by wedge on Apr 6, 2008 11:59 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who is San Jose playing?

I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.

by KyrieEleison on Apr 6, 2008 12:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks. Would have been interesting if they were playing Modesto.

I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.

by KyrieEleison on Apr 6, 2008 12:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forget the salary

This game, so far, shows Zito needs crisp fielding and a modicum of luck (the occasional line drive at some one instead of in the gap) to get off a "quality" start. Does that make him a legitimate No. 4 pitcher or is he not even that good.

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 12:02 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luck is the shameful watchword with Zito

Cain had none last year, and we could still see his greatness

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 12:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Decline

It will be interesting to see how he handles his continuing decline. My sense is that he's basically a good guy and reasonably smart. The question is whether he can transform himself into Jamey Moyer and, if so, will it happen in time for us to get some of the benefit.

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 12:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

with better "D" Zito would be doing much better.

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 12:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and run support

"If I can change and you can change, then everybody can change!" Rocky Balboa, Rocky IV

by WithTechron on Apr 6, 2008 12:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably. I'd agree he's a 4th starter on a normal team...

And to answer the earlier question, there are some pitchers I wouldn't take over Zito. Josh Fogg. Florida's #4 and 5, whoever they are. The ghost of Odalis Perez.

I like NN's point, above ... it'll be interesting to see of Zito and adjust into a Jamey Moyer model.

by wedge on Apr 6, 2008 12:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Extra base hits

a dime a dozen

"If I can change and you can change, then everybody can change!" Rocky Balboa, Rocky IV

by WithTechron on Apr 6, 2008 12:03 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly.

Gamers don't need extra base hits. They get by on speed and defense along.

I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.

by KyrieEleison on Apr 6, 2008 12:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I mean alone.

Don't mind me, I need a nap.

I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.

by KyrieEleison on Apr 6, 2008 12:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heck no

And yet, I wish, because then I could have occasion to talk to him about his managing techniques.

I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.

by KyrieEleison on Apr 6, 2008 12:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Steve Holm

Kinda looks like a mini-Tyler Walker.

http://www.baycityball.com

by xanthan on Apr 6, 2008 12:07 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you mean he looks like he's sweating out a 4 day bender?

by Giants_Longhorns_Fan on Apr 6, 2008 12:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OMG, deal deal deal deal deal.

Maybe I'm just charmed by Fukudome's hot start... or his non-"gamer" ability to play outfield without hurting himself at every opportunity.

by wedge on Apr 6, 2008 12:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too early

Probably a deal but remember Fukudome hasn't been around long enough for pitchers to have a book on him. It will be interesting to see what happens his second time around the league.

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 12:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes,

FukU looks good: very good plate approach, ie fouls of good pitches that he cannot hit, ignores pitches that he doesn't like, then hits the pitches he wants. Combined with good D, and the ability to run.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Apr 6, 2008 12:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rally

It's best that we not rile up the Brewers too much by scoring while Zito is still pitching. If we can stay close enough to catch up in the inning when we pinch hit for Zito, things might work out.

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 12:09 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Resumes

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 6, 2008 12:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This 1-5 of which you speak intrigues me...

When exactly have we won? I must have missed something.

I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.

by KyrieEleison on Apr 6, 2008 12:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Strategy

I didn't say it was good. I said it was the best available. If you were thrown out of a plane without a parachute, wouldn't you still spread your arms and legs out and maybe even flap a bit for the hell of it?

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 12:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Go away, nerds

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 6, 2008 12:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love these

http://www.baycityball.com

by xanthan on Apr 6, 2008 12:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

84mph Zito has returned

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 12:15 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn't think he ever left

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by xanthan on Apr 6, 2008 12:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think I'd like to see Sheets hit a grand slam. That'd be kinda cool.

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by xanthan on Apr 6, 2008 12:16 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

War Stories

When I was a kid a pitcher (Tony Cloniger) hit two grand slams in a game. It was against the Giants.

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 12:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aweosme.

Can he play 1st?

http://www.baycityball.com

by xanthan on Apr 6, 2008 12:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that day he didn't need to

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 12:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And a single, for nine RBI's

Match that, 2008 Giant midgets of a lesser god

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 12:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

About ten years ago, Shawn Estes hit a grand slam for the Giants. It as during the inning where they give away $10,000 for a grand slam, too. That was pretty awesome.

by jcb9 on Apr 6, 2008 12:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think I jinxed Bocock

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Apr 6, 2008 12:25 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Facing a tough pitcher with good control, backed by one of the most potent ofeenses in MLB. Is there a game this season where the odds of a Giants win are longer?

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Apr 6, 2008 12:28 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ofeenses?

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Apr 6, 2008 12:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do we suck?

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 6, 2008 12:28 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pwned

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 6, 2008 12:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why doesn't this guy quit playing solitaire and trade for a 1b?

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 12:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Show some respect!

Warrior spirit

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 6, 2008 12:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So that's where he got the idea...

I can't wait for May to come around - then I won't be teased for being a Giants fan anymore. I swear these Virginians don't know what they're talking about.

by KyrieEleison on Apr 6, 2008 12:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gabe Kapler = this year's Scott Hairston

by jcb9 on Apr 6, 2008 12:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What the hell is he doing here in Milwaukee. I thought he was the Boston Red Sox's mascot.

by non sequitur on Apr 6, 2008 12:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 12:32 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Four runs

Which Zito do we prefer, the 4 in the first followed by three shutout innings or today's version?

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 12:33 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Braun just hit the crap out of that one.

http://www.baycityball.com

by xanthan on Apr 6, 2008 12:35 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Embarrassing

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 6, 2008 12:36 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm just reading this now at work and I am laughing hysterically. These Sabean cartoons are awesome!!111!

Noonan. Nooooonan!

by Giant Fan in Singapore on Apr 6, 2008 6:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too bad. Until then Zito was doing an admirable job not giving up more than one run an inning.

by non sequitur on Apr 6, 2008 12:36 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's the spirit, quitur

It ain't really Zito's fault.

If it were fully Sabean's fault, he would fired by now.

Magowan must have been behind that hideous signing.

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 12:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do remember reading that Giants scouts approving this and saying Zito would do very well in the NL

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 12:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You mean those scouts that recommended

signing alfonzo, finley, roberts, aurilia, pryrshinski, matheny, durham, benitez, kline, messenger, hindenburg, chulk. vizcaino, greene, sweeney, and other boatloads of flotsam that are out baseball 5 minutes after leaving the Giants?

Yes. I believe you are correct.

by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 12:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So

Maybe this eliminates the myth that Barry Zito can be any good before June.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 12:38 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh he's good

just not good at pitching. But he can shred on the gittar !!1!!!!!

by natteringnabob on Apr 6, 2008 12:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's awesome that we're paying $14M a year to the left handed version of Kyle Lohse.

http://www.baycityball.com

by xanthan on Apr 6, 2008 12:38 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More than that on average!

See Grant, equal opportunity.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 1:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I knew this weekend was going to be bad

Since they killed the Giants last year. But I did not expect to have Gabe Kapler showing up our pitchers.

by out machine on Apr 6, 2008 12:40 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Holm's is thinking

Was there anyone this bad on the Norwich staff last year?

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 12:40 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Holm is thinking

I've caught fewer pitches than those fans in left field...

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 12:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or Holm's thinking

Let 'em have a couple more. Then the Brewer pitchers will groove their pitches to get this sucker over with as fast as possible and maybe I'll get another hit.

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 12:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Be kind Dusty

The Reds have a couple of young fine arms in Cueto and Volquezx. They could surprise this year if the kids continue to develop.

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 12:42 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zito Throwing changeups

to Ben Sheets.

-_-

http://www.baycityball.com

by xanthan on Apr 6, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So does the Brewer's mascot just stand around the top of that big slide the entire game waiting for Brewers to hit home runs so he can go down? Sounds like a slightly tedious job.

by jcb9 on Apr 6, 2008 12:45 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my own grammar police

Brewers' mascot, I should've said.

by jcb9 on Apr 6, 2008 12:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Other jobs in Wisconsin

include cowtipping, pumping gas, and measuring wheat stalks

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 12:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dont forget the club scene

where the bouncers dress up in pirates costumes and serenade you with "free credit report dot com"

by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 12:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tedious job

3rd base coach for the Giants

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 12:46 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Formerly known

as Maytag Repairman and tolltaker on the northbound lanes of the GG bridge

by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 12:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In relative terms

We have only begun to taste the delights of Zito outings.

Six more years, laddies, plus an option.

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 12:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like eating poop

taste the delights of Zito outings.

by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 12:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Durahm veteran savvy GIDP

He has Aurilia looking over his shoulder now

by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 12:49 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Veteran Savvy huzzah

Dave Roberts: .154 BA, no walks
Ray Durham: .200 BA
Rich Aurilia: .222 BA, .222 SLG
Randy Winn: .263 BA, .316 SLG

How to put us over the top into a playoff contender: bring Steve Scarsone out of retirement.

by jcb9 on Apr 6, 2008 12:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And Steve Sax

as a late inning defensive replacement

by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 12:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't forget Steve Stone

To protect our...our...our leads!
(Explodes into raucous laughter)

Aaron "Swag" Rowand

by victor frankenstein on Apr 7, 2008 1:19 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does anyone know the record for most GiDP's in a season for a team? Think we can take that?

by Azmanz on Apr 6, 2008 12:51 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

probably not

because we won't be on base enough, or we'll get picked off to often

by SFGAmsterdam on Apr 6, 2008 12:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great highlight!

Yaz hitting a homerun in the 75 All Star Game.

Fucking insult to injury

by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 12:52 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Home runs used to be the SF franchise lifeblood

Now we're thinking of moving the fences in.

With luck, global warming will push McCovey Cove up near the infield dirt.

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 12:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mop Up

Sad to say but if you're goal is to get into a lot of games and you're a Giants reliever, the primo job might be mop up man.

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 12:54 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bo knows defense

"If I can change and you can change, then everybody can change!" Rocky Balboa, Rocky IV

by WithTechron on Apr 6, 2008 12:55 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blasphemy?

Is Bocock better defensively than Omar is at this stage? The arm he has is really a big plus

Go Durham, Roberts, Aurilia, Vizquel, Winn, Lowry! The better you do, the quicker we can trade you!

by NeifiChicken on Apr 6, 2008 12:56 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes and range

Omar has advantage with positioning and though. Bocock has more range, stronger arm. Omar also gets paid more so Omar will play. Thats how we plan to lock up the basement as well as ensure we make as little progress for the future as well.

by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 12:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not yet

Bocock may have surpassed him on the basics -- range, arm strength, speed, etc. -- but Omar still knows a huge amount Bocock needs to learn about positioning on particular hitters and the tricks of the trade, like when to throw behind a runner rounding third, how to take the feed from the second baseman on the outside of the glove on a dp and so forth.

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 1:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didnt get to see the start of the game

what was the average velocity of Zito's fastballs

by Athletic on Apr 6, 2008 12:58 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He was up around 86 as I recall.

by jcb9 on Apr 6, 2008 1:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I recall it was around the speed

of a pumpkin lobbed at Icahabod Crane

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 1:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

much better than the 82 he was getting last start

My pictures never show up here, so this is my new Signature

by sloth11 on Apr 6, 2008 1:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true sir true I just heard that there is some interest from my slow pitch softball team

In the Services of Zito although he will have to get his velocity up a little

by Athletic on Apr 6, 2008 1:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gameday had a lot of his pitches sitting around 84-85, though.

by MidKnight on Apr 6, 2008 1:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Average?

I think the average was lower. 86 might have been when he was overthrowing off the plate. At Barry's speed, it's not pace but movement and location that is the key. Cf. Greg Maddux

by NearestNorwich on Apr 6, 2008 1:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The average velocity was Suck.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Apr 6, 2008 1:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

plate discipline, huh?

90 pitches through 7 innings for Ben Sheets. 106 through 5 for Zito.

by jcb9 on Apr 6, 2008 1:02 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn't we get doughnutted 5-0 in Zito's last start?

by wilriv21 on Apr 6, 2008 1:03 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I always liked him though and still would like to see him do well

But man if he were a free agent right now I am not sure if he could get 1 mill a year

by Athletic on Apr 6, 2008 1:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not even minimum... he's done.

He's been on a downward slide for years, and unless he gets on peds (which I highly recommend btw) he is through.

by E Ticket on Apr 6, 2008 1:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You may express your joy

However, please sip the bile when it's passed to you

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 1:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Abudantly true, A's fan

What I mean is try not to gloat, and even, occasionally, commiserate with us.

by Moggeee on Apr 6, 2008 1:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trust me I would love to see Zito do well for you guys

So we could get Oakland vs SF in the world series too bad both teams are not very good. I really do not know what is wrong with Zito I think it could be 2 thing either he is injured or he is not taking HGH or Steroids anymore.

by Athletic on Apr 6, 2008 1:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or he flat out sucks?

Aaron "Swag" Rowand

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