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Some serious sanctions would come my way if I neglected to write about the demozotion, even though I'm sick of even thinking about Zito. I recently wrote a post here on Zito's struggles, but I guess I'll have to push this boulder of suck up a hill for the next five years.

But there is a note of clarification to be made to the previous post. I wrote that Zito needed to be thought of in the same manner as a Jose Castillo or Dan Ortmeier; that is, even though the suck threat alert level is a bright red, it isn't going to make a difference to the Giants’ 2008 playoff hopes. Running those guys out there might actually yield some unexpected results that could contribute to future playoff hopes. As long as they aren’t stunting the development of other young players, wind ‘em up and let ‘em go.

When I made that suggestion, I wasn’t yet sick of Jose Castillo. Now I am. One month in, and the dude is killing me. Sample sizes still matter, and many a player has had a fantastic month after starting slow. But Castillo’s April has been like an author using the wrong "their/there/they’re" in the title of their work. Maybe the rest of the piece is fantastic and error-free, but I don’t need to stick around to find out. When Jose Castillo hits, Todd Linden thinks, man, that guy gets into way too many 0-2 counts.

Zito is even more unwatchable. Continuing to run him out there as a starter might yield a .001% chance of future non-suck. But I thought moving him to the bullpen would yield a .00001% chance of future non-suck. It’s probably time to stop thinking in terms of binary suck/non-suck and start thinking in terms of watchable/unwatchable. Bullpen = less Zito. Win. And maybe, just maybe, Zito’s fastball jumps a couple of feet when he moves to relief. Pitchers who convert to relief usually do gain a little velocity. I hadn’t thought of that. That .00001% chance just went up, baby! It’s back to .001%!

For the first time in my life, though, I’m hoping we’ll hear about an injury from a specific player. I don’t want Zito to get injured; I’m praying he is injured. I don’t think we’ll ever see a situation like this again in our lifetimes. If a "Zito to have Tommy John surgery"-headline appears in the paper, everyone – Zito included, maybe – would feel a sense of hope for the first time regarding this situation.

This is one of the worst situations a franchise has ever been in. Bullpen, outright release, lengthy sabbatical…every answer sucks. I’ve seen situations that suck before, but this is the suckiest situation of suck that ever sucked. Now if you’ll excuse me, my damn wiener readers need to comment.

Comment starter: You can keep talking about Zito. Or you can write about the best concert you’ve ever been to, which might make us forget about Zito. Mine: Old 97s at Slim’s in aught-four. I had a perfect view of the set list, and that somehow made the show better.

 

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I'll keep talking about Zito

The solution is to fire Brian Sabean. He has to be the fall guy for this historically bad free agent signing. Zito couldn’t even get out of April of his 2nd season under the contract before outright releasing him became a consideration. It may not be a serious option at this point, but it is now in the discussion.


Mike Patton pissed in his shoe and then drank it. Not what I would’ve done, but still unforgettable.

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 29, 2008 12:05 PM PDT reply reply   0 recs

Amazing

Primus is my all-time favorite and I’m a huge Patton fan, especially the Mr. Bungle stuff. I keep hoping against all odds that they reunite and go on tour sometime, someday.

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by xanthan on Apr 29, 2008 12:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Lovage

Last year when I was down in Malibu for work, my wife took some pole dancing lessons (latest SoCal womens fitness craze). Several of the “routines” were to Lovage songs, although I don’t think any of the women knew anything about Patton. They just liked the dirty lyrics.

by mxmob33 on Apr 29, 2008 2:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I was at every NYE Primus show from, like, ‘91 to ‘96, but I’ll never forget Mike Patton drinking his own urine. I can understand if he drank it out of his own shoe, but some stranger’s shoe? That’s crossing the line, man.

by Grant on Apr 29, 2008 2:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Best Concert was my first concert. Ramones at the Greek Theatre in ‘91 or ‘92 (don’t know the exact year but know I was a sophmore is HS). All their songs sound the same but had fun in the mosh pit, which was the first and last time I ever participated.

I also remember I almost went to the concert above (Primus/Mr. Bungle/Melvins) but a girl suckered me into some stupid party. Hey, I wanted to get laid.

by WilliamVanLandingham on Apr 29, 2008 12:07 PM PDT reply reply   0 recs

Zito Zito Zito

Is currently unwatchable to you and me, think how the 8 other guys on the field feel?

They are probably sick of watching the guy suck it up there, too. Replace Zito in the rotation w/ league average replacement and we might be @ .500.

So yeah, Im way over watching Zito at this point. It’s one thing to give a guy playtime and see if he develops. It’s another to sit and watch an absolute black hole for 3 hours. Turns out sports aren’t as fun if your team has a garunteed 0% chance of winning.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Apr 29, 2008 12:08 PM PDT reply reply   0 recs

could be worse...

could still have matt morris and his contract…boy howdy would that be brutal

choose lincecum/ bowker in 2009

by Headhunter Rollins on Apr 29, 2008 12:09 PM PDT reply reply   0 recs

My best concert I’ve been to was Arcade Fire at the Greek Theatre in Berkeley last summer. Awesome, awesome show. I love shows where it feels like everyone’s singing along and that was definitely the case there.

I’ve got a few pretty cool ones coming up this month though… Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds on the 7th, Man Man on the 13th (they put on the most ridiculous live show ever, I saw them open for Modest Mouse last year) and Bruce Springsteen on the 31st, so we’ll see if any of them can unseat AF.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Apr 29, 2008 12:13 PM PDT reply reply   0 recs

oh and Barry Zito is dead to me

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Apr 29, 2008 12:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That Arcade Fire show

was amazing.

Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.

by Kitspool on Apr 29, 2008 12:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

what night did you go? I went to the first one, the encore with Cold Wind and Wake Up was incredible.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Apr 29, 2008 12:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I saw Of Montreal and Grand Buffet last year, pretty good show. Grand Buffet especially are hilarious live.

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by xanthan on Apr 29, 2008 12:15 PM PDT reply reply   0 recs

my best show ever

OK, top 7 i can think of right now:

1. Opening for Fugazi Storyville in like '88? 87?<br />b. Bad Brains Tipitina’s around the same era
iii. Opening for Botch and Dillinger Escape Plan a few years back at Great American
D. Murder City Devils (second to last show)/Intl Noise Conspiracy/Hives GAMH<br />V. John Doe and Neko Case a coupla years back for Noise Pop, also GAMH
f. Yeah Yeah Yeahs at Bottom of the Hill maybe 4-5 years ago
Se7en. Opening for Sick of It All and Quasar (Beastie Boys) in like 97 @ BOTH

also, Barry Zito: please be injured.

Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Apr 29, 2008 12:17 PM PDT reply reply   0 recs

Chief , I blame Zito for that previous post destruct.

Who said I’m a plumber?
I’m actually a biophysicist.

The variables shaken up by moving him to the pen aren’t tangible enough to effect any noticeable change…

It’s still 60’ – 6” to the plate.

That bat is still wood.

Atmospherics are still unchanged/unharnessable.

Unless his musculoskeletal structure/density is tinkered with we should expect similar results no matter when he enters the game.

I saw Van Halen in 1980. That and Sadao Watanabe ruined me for concerts.

Aaron "Swag" Rowand

by victor frankenstein on Apr 29, 2008 5:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

fuck...

when/where/what was that show?

Never saw VH, with or without Diamond Dave. :(

Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Apr 29, 2008 5:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Veterans Memorial Coliseum.

I erred on the side of financial caution last year when I heard they’d be at the MGM…tix starting at $200.
After I read a positive review I kicked my own ass.

Aaron "Swag" Rowand

by victor frankenstein on Apr 29, 2008 5:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I truly fear that Zito is toast.

I just don’t see this guy getting any better. It is really a devastating blow for an organization that has already been sucking wind for a while. I think we will see a trade where we kick in a tone of money in the next couple of years. Zito will have a tough time showing his face and the organization will have to get him out. Anyway…

I think the Shins, Fiery Furnaces, Rogue Wave show I saw at the Rialto in Tucson was probably one of the best. That or the Spoon & Death Cab For Cutie show in San Francisco.

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by camwoody on Apr 29, 2008 12:20 PM PDT reply reply   0 recs

Gwen Knapp was right for once
No one could have predicted what has happened this year. Even with the fading fastball, Zito was 16-10 in his last season in Oakland. If the Giants had signed him at a relative bargain, for $85 million over seven years, his decline still would be astounding. He still would be a free-agent bust.

Even the worst-case scenario didn’t come close to matching what’s actually going on right now, in the first month of year two. Egads.

Also: Radiohead at the Shoreline, June 2001. I prefer seeing bands in much more intimate settings, and never expected the best show I’d ever experience would be in a 20,000-seat outdoor amphitheater. That’s how incredible Radiohead were that night. That’s how much they were on top of their game. They were the Anti-Zito: a bargain at twice the price.

Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.

by Kitspool on Apr 29, 2008 12:22 PM PDT reply reply   0 recs

I actually agreed with Gwen Knapp!

And I am admitting it in public. She made several insightful observations, including my new mantra going forward, “Don’t think about the money.”

by out machine on Apr 29, 2008 12:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That is the hardest part, not thinking about the money. It isn’t like we have to pay Zito. The problem is Magowan in the past has stuck to a pretty strict budget, so this deal is going to hinder our free agent signing if we ever become relevant again in the playoff picture.

by WilliamVanLandingham on Apr 29, 2008 12:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I hate to be a jerk about this, but lots of us were apocalyptic about this deal. Mike Hampton’s name was bandied about frequently. Extreme attrition among pitchers just isn’t that unusual.

by Evan on Apr 29, 2008 12:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

but did you really think it would be this bad, this fast? I was worried about the last two years of the deal, not remotley about the first. I figured he’d be around a 4.25 ERA and throw 200 to 225 innings and be a tick better than a number 3 starter, which I figured he’d be about now. (Behind Lincecum and Cain).

by tyrannoman on Apr 29, 2008 12:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Given even odds, would I have bet that Zito would pitch his way out of the rotation so quickly? Nah. But generally I assume that any 28-year-old pitcher with a lot of mileage on his arm has at least a 10 to 20 percent chance of having a major injury or otherwise falling apart in the near future.

by Evan on Apr 29, 2008 12:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

injury I can buy, but being this awful does really surprise me. I was even thinking over the winter that after having one year under his belt, and perhaps with Santana signing the huge deal with the Mets, that Zito would pitch better this year. Don’t really think there is a way I could’ve been more wrong.

by tyrannoman on Apr 29, 2008 1:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I’m not sure I can see how Santana signing with the Mets would make Zito pitch better…

by WTF on Apr 29, 2008 1:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I think he means mentally

Not being the only pitcher with a shit-crazy contract might make Zito feel less self-conscious and be able to actually focus on his job a little more.

That’s the best connection I can make between the two.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Apr 29, 2008 1:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

yup, that’s what I was trying to say. No longer being the highest paid pitcher in the history of the universe and all. I was wrong…

by tyrannoman on Apr 29, 2008 4:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm not saying

lots of us didn’t think this was a HORRIBLE deal, both for the amount of money, length of contract and the person to whom it was given. But Knapp was right in implying that even the gloom-and-doomers (of which I happily count myself as a member) didn’t expect him to lose 3-4 mph off the fastball during the offseason and the ability to locate any of his pitches where he wanted. The guy’s not even 30!

Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.

by Kitspool on Apr 29, 2008 12:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

My only tiny point of optisim about this contract was that Zito is still fairly young. Oh well, guess he’s going to flame out in spectacular fashion. It won’t be fun to watch.

by tyrannoman on Apr 29, 2008 12:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1

As soon as the deal was signed there was a devout group of Anti-Zitonians who pretty much predicted this situation. Really if you had watched Zito pitch his last few years with the A’s it was the likely scenario. He was already throwing his FB in the mid 80s and declining. His Ks were steadily going down with his declining velocity while is BB went up.

That to me is the worst part of all of this. It’s not hindsight, most any A’s fan could have told you Zito was done.

by mxmob33 on Apr 29, 2008 2:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah, but as Kitspool said above, I don’t remember anyone thinking it would be this bad this fast.

I have trouble reconciling the pitcher that out-dueled Santana in that playoff game just a little over one season ago with who we’re watching now.

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Apr 29, 2008 3:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The only hope for Zito is to reinvent himself as a control pitcher. This is what Jamie Moyer when he was 28/29. Of course, Moyer did it in AAA.

Gang of Four a couple of years ago. Yeah, I know, a reunion show, but it was ecstatic.

by Evan on Apr 29, 2008 12:22 PM PDT reply reply   0 recs

Yeah, but at least in his age 25 season he displayed some ability to throw strikes. His BB% of 6.4 in 1988 was under the league average of 8% in the NL that year. That’s pretty good control. On the other hand, Zito has never posted better than league average BB%’s and he’s been trending upward.

I asked this question on my blog, does anyone have any examples of successful starting pitchers reinventing themselves into control pitchers?

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by xanthan on Apr 29, 2008 12:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

off the top of my head, would Frank Tannana or Tommy John count? Both of those guys started out as flamethrowers, and because of injury ended up as control pitchers who had moderate success.

The frustrating part to me, is that Zito wasn’t exactly Nolan Ryan. I understand that an 88 mph fastball is harder to hit than an 84mph fastball, but damn. This is absurd. I think he’s just screwed himself into the ground with this contract.

by tyrannoman on Apr 29, 2008 12:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Tanana had good control from the start, so it was probably a lot easier for him to learn to pitch without a killer fastball.

Tommy John is an interesting comparison. Several years before his famous surgery, he sharpened up his control considerably. (It’s a little hard to see this in his record until you adjust for the pre- and post-1968 context.)

Many years ago, Bill James wrote about the “Tommy John” family of pitchers: soft-tossing lefties with good control who win by keeping the ball on the ground and cutting off the running game. Zito does hold runners on pretty well, but his control sucks and he’s no groundballer, so he may not be able to pull off that particular path.

by Evan on Apr 29, 2008 12:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

True, he is a flyball pitcher. Perhaps Reuter can fly out from the Shed and teach him how to win with runners on all the time.

by tyrannoman on Apr 29, 2008 12:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Baseball is ful of irony

What are the odds that Tommy John would end up needing “Tomnmy John surgery”...or that Lou Gerhig would die of “Lou Gerhig’s disease?

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Apr 29, 2008 12:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hate to break it to you Goof...

But the odds are just as good that you will die of McPenisButter Disease.

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by WalrusMan on Apr 29, 2008 1:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Well, but that age 25 season looks pretty flukish, controlwise.

Almost all pitchers do improve their control as they get older, so I think it’s possible. My read is that Zito has just been cruising along with his 2002 pitching style, despite ever-diminishing returns. Maybe bottoming out like this will convince him that he just can’t be a strikeout pitcher anymore and he needs to focus on other things.

by Evan on Apr 29, 2008 12:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It wouldn't

surprise me to find out a while later that Zito has a “tired” / “sore” arm; and then a while later, a “strain”; and then on the DL; and then visiting James Andrews;

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by rfloh on Apr 29, 2008 12:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Can we send him to Dr. Andrews now? Sadly, I’d be happier with him rehabbing and me not watching him than trying to watch him “pitch” right now.

by tyrannoman on Apr 29, 2008 12:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

carbon/silicon

a few weeks ago. They didn’t even play for two hours but Mick looked like he was finally having fun again.

Do they know to win the game a team has to actually score at least once?

by noahthek on Apr 29, 2008 12:25 PM PDT reply reply   0 recs

is it too late to trade Zito for Carl Pavano? That way the C-List hotties could still show up now ang again.

by tyrannoman on Apr 29, 2008 12:30 PM PDT reply reply   0 recs

Pirates to the Rescue?

Can’t we just trade him to the Pirates for some young prospects like we do with every other bad trade/signing? I’m thinking they might let go of Ian Snell in return for the Powerhouse that is Zito.

Either that, or does anyone have any “connections”? Would the world really be that upset?

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by my1gorilla on Apr 29, 2008 12:30 PM PDT reply reply   0 recs

Unfortunately, they don’t have Dave Littlefield anymore.

SAVE_US.RAY
Get yer Nattowear

by Natto on Apr 29, 2008 12:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

glass half empty

the Giants bullpen just got a whole lot worse

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 29, 2008 12:32 PM PDT reply reply   0 recs

Maybe

The Giants’ put Cain on the market, demand top dollar, and make the trading partner take on Zito.

Never mind. I couldn’t part with Cain.

by tyrannoman on Apr 29, 2008 12:34 PM PDT reply reply   0 recs

Yeah

The problem is that in this scenario the return for Matt Cain is “not having to pay for Zito.”

FFS, that’s a little like trading Matt Cain for not having signed Zito in the first place.

If you trade Cain, you absolutely HAVE to get something back in terms of production. And getting production from where Zito is not does not count. You could get that from doing no more than not playing the guy.

The return for Zito can acceptably be (won’t be, but can) not paying for Zito and a magic bean with the magic power of resisting being cooked or eaten and not growing into anything when you plant it. The return for Cain HAS to be a player. Like, a real player. Not one of those fake players who has an OBP of .300 or a WHIP of 1.50.

Also, I couldn’t part with Cain either. I’d have his babies if I had a babymaker in my butt.

BTW… that is where the babymaker is, right?

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Apr 29, 2008 12:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

ASSBABIES

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Apr 29, 2008 12:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

yes, yes it is. Right in the butt.

by tyrannoman on Apr 29, 2008 12:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Oh good

And I was afraid my church had lied to me.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Apr 29, 2008 12:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

what what

in the butt?

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Apr 29, 2008 1:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Butters FTW!!!

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by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 29, 2008 8:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Relient K at Great America several years ago. They played “Take My Breath Away” in front of the Top Gun rollercoaster, which pretty much clinched this vote.

A close second would be the Cadence Weapon/Why?/Islands show at Slim’s two years ago. That was fun, even though there were too many teenyboppers.

SAVE_US.RAY
Get yer Nattowear

by Natto on Apr 29, 2008 12:35 PM PDT reply reply   0 recs

Just remembered another one to add to the list

In the non-rock category, I went to see Wang Lee Hom in concert at the Bill Graham Civic Auditorium around this past Christmas and it was awesome. It was a pretty cool experience since I had never been to a Chinese concert before. And, man, Lee Hom really knows how to put on a show.

SAVE_US.RAY
Get yer Nattowear

by Natto on Apr 29, 2008 3:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I’ve seen situations that suck before, but this is the suckiest situation of suck that ever sucked. Now if you’ll excuse me, my damn wiener readers need to comment

Bravo, sir. Bravo.

Best Concert – Andre Nickatina and Equipto at the Blue Agave in San Diego. There were about 20 people there so it was pretty much like a private show. Smoked a blunt after the show with Equipto.

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by MeSoKrabby on Apr 29, 2008 12:37 PM PDT reply reply   0 recs

I know were your coming from regarding bad spelling in titles...

I think this was the right move for two reasons…
Numero uno: He can work to regain something (anything) in sideline and mop-up duty without hurting the teams chances of winning
Numero two-o: I don’t have to look at an upcoming game and worry that Zito may be starting.

Summer of 1983, Police/Madness/Oingo Boingo

The Police were on the Syncronicity tour and in a stratosphere that maybe only U2 has reached since.

Madness had gone from the quirky ska band of “One Step Beyond” and “Night Boat to Cairo” to the grander quirkyness of “Our House” and “House of Fun”.

Oingo Boingo’s greatness seems under-appreicated by people from No CA. I guess you all were listening to Journey while we were partying to the clowns of darkness.

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Apr 29, 2008 12:38 PM PDT reply reply   0 recs

God, no, I remember Oingo Boingo being huuuuge, like the biggest band in the world huge, ‘round then, and I grew up around Sac. What’s weird is going to the East Coast and people have never heard of them. They also never heard of Jane’s Addiction, Dead Kennedys, or even the god damned Beach Boys on the East Coast. I swear this is true. It’s all “Lou Reed, Lou Reed.” I tell ‘em, and no disrespect to Lou, but Jello Biafra was my Lou Reed

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by satyricrash on Apr 29, 2008 1:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Oh shit yes!

Boingo played the AZ State Fair. I saw them for $4.50!

Aaron "Swag" Rowand

by victor frankenstein on Apr 29, 2008 5:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Don't recall Boingo being the biggest band in the world

but they certainly spawned the greatest soundtrack composer in Hollywood - the one and only Danny Elfman - and should always be remembered fondly for that if for no other reason.

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by Roger on Apr 29, 2008 6:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Nah, almost all of my local friends were deeply into Oingo Boingo at the time. I never really dug ‘em myself, but I wasn’t paying attention to Journey either. (I didn’t really get into Journey until the last few years here. I’m slow sometimes.)

No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball

by Skaldheim on Apr 29, 2008 2:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs