Great Googly Moogly!
by zenbitz on Apr 28, 2008 5:50 PM PDT
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Zito DEMOTED to bullpen! That is really truly shocking.
Also, I cannot believe I am the first one to post it. Also, I can't beleive these stupid things hav to be 75 chars. If I wrote it in UNICODE could I do it in 25?
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-giants-zito&prov=ap&type=lgns
Alright all y'all Bochy haters! What NOW? HUH!?! WHO'S THE MAN (with the large head).
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Ha
I posted a FanShot with the ESPN link 15 minutes ago. I didn’t want to waste 75 words trying to wrap my mind around a $125 million middle reliever.
--PB--
by Peter Bean on Apr 28, 2008 5:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fan shots too far down the page to get noticed.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN
by zenbitz on Apr 28, 2008 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fan shots?
Who would shoot a fan? And why? This makes no sense.
Your 2011 SF Giants: the 2008 Augusta Greenjackets!
by Lyle on Apr 29, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Misch takes Zito’s spot, but who takes the remaining spot? Hennessey?
/shudders
http://www.baycityball.com
by xanthan on Apr 28, 2008 5:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
let's call it a 4-man rotation
and let Yabuuuuuuuuuuuuu and Zito split the 5th game.
by natteringnabob on Apr 28, 2008 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would have worked...
...in 2005…
...in Oakland…
"You have to have a catcher or you'll have all passed balls."- Casey Stengel
by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 28, 2008 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Mike Loree: Gotta take someone with a 50th round pick.
by BrianBokake on Apr 28, 2008 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1
Give Valdez a full healthy year before you start entertaining these thoughts, people!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Apr 28, 2008 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I created and programmed Howie
so of course I agree with him
by Moggeee on Apr 28, 2008 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TJ surgery was about 19 months ago - September 27. 2006
Typically from the time a pitcher goes under the knife it takes a minimum of 8 months to resume baseball activities. While they can get back to the majors in just about a year, that first year is statistically a rough one. Full recovery to pre-surgical strength and success usually takes 18 to 24 months.
Burnett underwent Tommy John reconstructive surgery Tuesday after renowned orthopedist Dr. James Andrews found the ulnar collateral ligament in Burnett’s throwing arm fully torn. A full recovery is expected, but it’s projected to take 12-to-18 months.
Chances of a complete recovery after surgery are estimated today at 85 to 90 percent. At the time of Tommy John’s operation, Jobe put his chances at 1 in 100. After his surgery in 1974, John spent 18 months rehabilitating his arm, returned for the 1976 season, and went on to pitch in the major leagues until 1989 at age 46. Today, the procedure takes about an hour. Full rehabilitation takes about a year for pitchers and about six months for position players. Usually, pitchers who have the surgery can get their full range of motion back after about two months and can start doing weight exercises. For the next four months, they can increase the weight that they use and start doing exercises that emphasize all parts of their arm.
by wilriv21 on Apr 29, 2008 3:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming Misch takes Correia's spot...
...they actually wouldn’t need a 5th starter until May 12th, since they have offdays this Thursday and next Monday.
2008: My previous assessment may have been overly optimistic.
by EliminateMe on Apr 28, 2008 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh. Like sending him to the bullpen is going to work. I mean, we never boo pitchers who can’t throw strikes when they’re called from the bullpen. Yup. So no pressure there then…
I’d have been a lot more impressed if he’d agreed to go to Fresno and really work on what was wrong against hitters that weren’t guaranteed to light him up every AB. As it stands, all this means is that we stand a chance of Situation Zito at any point in a game.
Bleah.
by SM on Apr 28, 2008 6:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ZITO NEW CLOZER!
HE DO HIS JOB!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Apr 28, 2008 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ll see who’s strong enough to be the whipping boy now!
2008: My previous assessment may have been overly optimistic.
by EliminateMe on Apr 28, 2008 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at Banner Barry!
Family love Michael Zito!
by Keenlow on Apr 28, 2008 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh snap!
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 28, 2008 6:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like him even less in the bullpen. Now if it’s a close game we get to watch Zito put it right back out of reach. Sweet.
by JackoASU on Apr 28, 2008 6:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to think
Zito’s not touching a close game if it’s at all possible.
Only 946 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Apr 28, 2008 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno. Maybe we can let him brush up against a close game.
by Moggeee on Apr 28, 2008 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i say first game is mop up
to work on his mechanics maybe.. then 2nd or 3rd game let him in a closer game to see if he can handle pressure.
by Azmanz on Apr 29, 2008 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They had to do something—it may be fruitless, but they just can’t keep wasting starts on the guy.
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
by Skaldheim on Apr 28, 2008 6:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree – they definitely had to do something. An 0-6 start absolutely mandates doing something, especially on a team like the 2008 Giants. The problem is that we’re going to see Zito on the road, probably pitching in spots where a starter gets roughed up. And he’s going to have to come into the game and be solid from the start.
By putting in the pen, they’re basically setting him up for failure. And as loud as I’ve screamed since the start of 2007 at Zito’s meltdowns, I still like the guy and don’t wish him ill. If he found a way not to suck, that’d be just fine with me. I just don’t think he’s going to fix what’s screwing him up in the 4th inning of a close game with 5 minutes warmup…
"Bring me the head of FP Santangelo!"
by SM on Apr 28, 2008 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. It’s gonna be a long road. I’d rather see him work on stuff on the side, and then try it out in low-stress, mop-up situations. He’s gonna need a lot of time to get anywhere close to straight, and the first step is to take the pressure off him. I wouldn’t bring him into any important game, but unless they find an injury for him to rehab, it’s not likely he’ll go to Fresno.
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
by Skaldheim on Apr 28, 2008 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skaldeim's worried about wasting starts on this guy
Personally, I’m worried about the cash that’s scheduled to be draino’d on The Zit over the next six years.
by Moggeee on Apr 28, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember, however, during Russ Ortiz’s first go around here, that he was demoted to the pen during the All Star Break, then was forced back into the rotation and pitched well after that. Who knows, at this point. I think it’s between Zito’s ears, and I’m not sure anyone knows how to fix that.
by tyrannoman on Apr 29, 2008 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine , but...
...I seriously doubt simply moving him from Innings 1 – 4 to 5 – 7 will change anything except our chances of holding the opposition during 5 – 7.
Hope for the best.
Aaron "Swag" Rowand
by victor frankenstein on Apr 28, 2008 6:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW
“I INJURED (THRRRRRP) the fur trapper.”
Aaron "Swag" Rowand
by victor frankenstein on Apr 28, 2008 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This move helps the bullpen, I think
In that they don’t have to pitch 6 innings every 5 days.
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by groug on Apr 28, 2008 6:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think this is a bogus banishment to the bullpen. The Giants only need four starters right now anyway, and I bet the first time they are forced to go to five starters again they will return him to the rotation. At least he will be the one to get his starts skipped, and not someone better.
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by rxmeister on Apr 28, 2008 6:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 28, 2008 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Handy tip: Just lean on the space bar at the end of your fanpost. That’ll get you to 75 characters.
by Grant on Apr 28, 2008 6:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Grant is stating:
Ick-snay on the adding-pay, chums.
Say nothing if you’ve got nothing to say.
by Moggeee on Apr 28, 2008 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the radio side pregame
Flem made the important observation that Zito takes FAR longer to warm up than any of the other starters (seriously, he throws up to 10x as many warm-up pitches as Timmy does before his starts). So the only scenario where a bullpen demotion works is where Barry is given plenty of advance notice to start warming up - say, an inning or so. That basically means he’s only going to be available in low-stress blowouts on either side of the ledger - which is both a good and a bad thing, I guess.
Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.
by Kitspool on Apr 28, 2008 7:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is an important point, I think
Zito is known for throwing a ton of pitches, on throw days, warming up, even in the off-season. Is anybody else suspicious that this may be the cause of his drop in velocity? If it is, then all the working on the side, and the excessive warming up, etc. could actually be hurting him more than anything.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 28, 2008 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys
Zito’s not going to be in any high leverage situations. He’s not going to be put into any situations that could hurt the Giants and he’s not going to be put into any situations where he can get the loss.
At least, not unless there’s anyone else available.
Only 946 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Apr 28, 2008 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he'll be in mop-up, of course.
But that’s not that I was saying. What I was saying is, I think he needs to stop throwing so much - or maybe at all - for awhile. His arm may just be pitched out and there’s nothing that can be done, but maybe a sabbatical would do his arm good (maybe his head as well). Of course, I’m not foolish enough to think this has a chance in hell of actually happening, just musing is all.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 28, 2008 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great idea, Josh
I, too, think they’ll never go along with it, but it certainly is worth trying.
Your 2011 SF Giants: the 2008 Augusta Greenjackets!
by Lyle on Apr 29, 2008 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
If he is throwing too much prior to the game and he is 0-6 and 11-19 with the team, maybe he should go out there a little colder than he likes but he would be more fresh. Can’t hurt to try.
by JackoASU on Apr 29, 2008 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We must explore every option
It also can’t hurt trussing Zito up and immersing him in pungent Kimchee for ten minutes before each start.
by Moggeee on Apr 29, 2008 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s just plain baffling. Why must he take 10x more warm-ups for that blazing fast 81 mph heater he’s chucking up there? I say if you can’t get yourself warm in 5 mins. Barry…then tough shit!
Adoptive papa to Omar...so basically I'm screwed.
by PacBellBoozer on Apr 29, 2008 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barry Zito reminds me of a Geo Metro I once owned, took forever to get to a speed that wasn’t a big deal for most other cars.
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on Apr 29, 2008 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You paid $126 million for a Geo Metro? You got taken.
Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.
by Kitspool on Apr 29, 2008 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
relative value
Hey, it’s not like his $126 million Geo Metro was automatically driving away from his destination every time he used it…sometimes crappiness is superior to active suckitude….
I got one word for you: "youneverknow"
by senorvegas on Apr 29, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I paid $1000, but it’s real worth was -$126 million.
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on Apr 29, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, why is this a surprise
We all knew that something had to be done. It was so incredibly obvious. Not only that but, and I know I’ve said this many times, they could not let him keep losing. They had to get him out of the rotation. There were two ways: DL and bullpen. They chose bullpen.
I don’t see how this makes Bochy suddenly competant.
Only 946 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Apr 28, 2008 7:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It was surprising...
...only because of all the similarly obvious moves that the Giants have chosen not to make in the past, like when they failed to bench Durham last year.
2008: My previous assessment may have been overly optimistic.
by EliminateMe on Apr 28, 2008 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
would you say....
it had the hint of the flavor of competence?
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN
by zenbitz on Apr 28, 2008 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only in the fact that they did what they had to do
But it was likely motivated by their own self-consciousness. And thus actually dictated by the FO. But I am speculating so I will leave it at that.
Only 946 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Apr 28, 2008 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last week
Last week I began thinking about the possibility of moving Barry Zito to the bullpen to take advantage of the Giants’ two days off on May 1st and 4th. Last season Barry benefited from a quick tour in the bullpen, as had Matt Cain the previous season.
The injury to Kevin Correia got me to applying the same advantage to the Giants’ not needing him until May 10th, or precisely two weeks after his injury Saturday night. Then I thought that if the Giants were to put Kevin on the DL, they could recall Pat Misch, who was scheduled to start for Fresno yesterday.
The Giants did so, of course, and had Patrick relieve Barry after yet another disappointing start. Replacing Barry in the rotation with Misch temporarily set up the ability to give Barry a bullpen break while also not missing Kevin.
Let’s hope this tour in the bullpen has a similar effect on Barry to its very positive effect last season.
by sharksrog on Apr 28, 2008 8:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Remember Cain...
Two seasons ago, Matt Cain was struggling and was sent to the bullpen to fix himself and it worked. I know Zito is a different beast, but we have to at least hold some hope this will work…
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by Speedforthewin on Apr 28, 2008 8:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You hold the hope
I’ll hold the glass and sip the champagne
by Moggeee on Apr 28, 2008 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope this works.
Because we’re stuck with him for a long… long… long time.
by withclubsauce on Apr 28, 2008 9:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Zito can make a Rick Ankiel-like comeback and start swinging some lumber.
by ThrillisGone22 on Apr 29, 2008 8:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen him swing a bat? Lincecum’s got more pop than him.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Apr 29, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bat-handling
I think Jim Abbott had more pop than him.
I saw him hit a triple, once…
by ThrillisGone22 on Apr 29, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Abbott really bat? I thought he played in the AL his whole career. I need details on this, but a link to video would be even better.
I was THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Apr 29, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
‘Twas a spring training game, against the Giants.
Ralph Barbieri, heal thyself.
by ThrillisGone22 on Apr 29, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I listened to that game on the radio.
It was off of “Big Daddy” Reuschel. I also saw a video of him hitting an opposite field HR in high school. He batted lefty, holding the bat with his left (good) hand, and resting the knob of the bat on the nub of his right hand until the point of impact, when he’d following through one-handed like a lot of lefties (Will Clark for example).
And for the record, Abbott did play in the NL, in 1999, with Milwaukee. He went 2 for 21, managed 3 RBI’s and struck out in less than half of his AB’s—not all that shabby for a pitcher.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 29, 2008 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not all that shabby for anyone in the Ginats lineup...
the pitcher tonight came into the game with an average better than most of the hitters ahead of him. Take that, LaRussa!
by natteringnabob on Apr 29, 2008 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew I recalled Abbott being a decent hitter.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 30, 2008 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
putting him in the bullpen
won’t help him get his velocity or control back. he’s done.
Ok maybe he can find something in his mechanics that is causing the dip in velocity and/or trouble locating. but I’m not holding out much hope.
OTOH he ALWAYS has been shitty in April. This is a legendary amount of suck, but perhaps he can return to his regular normal level of suck once we hit may.
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners classic Unis
by wjackalope on Apr 29, 2008 11:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A Regular Normal Level of Suck
mmm, default suckage.
by ThrillisGone22 on Apr 29, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suckage As Usual
2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!
by Goofus on Apr 29, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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