Quote of the Year
by JRPhillips on Apr 21, 2008 10:14 AM PDT
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PrintI'm on sfgate.com, and see this beautifully worded fanpost. It reads:
"If the Giants don't trade Lincecum and Cain at the deadline for 3 or 4 TOP prospects each I am switching allegiances."—voiceofrzn
I read this. Then read it again. And laughed. Trade Cain AND Lincecum for prospects? Now, I'm no baseball genius, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and think that if the Giants were to trade both of them, more fans would switch allegiances than would stick around. So good day, Voice of Raisin, we hardly knew ye.
Obviously, that's just my opinion, I'm sure many of you might view it differently. So, what say you all? Would you be happier to trade our two best commodities in order to satiate Voiceofrzn, or just one, or neither?
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I don't know...
trading 1 of them for 3-4 top prospects isn’t a ridiculous notion.
Flossing a dead horse
Let's just say
I’d rather build exclusively throught Free Agency than trade both of those guys for no more than 3-4 studs worth of a return.
In fact, it would take the kind of return that would leave us unquestionably competitive for the next ten years to justify trading BOTH of them, IMO.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
if you could trade one of them
and get the kind of return that Beane got for Haren, would you do it?
Here’s how I see it. I want nothing to do with trading either of these guys, but their value is SO high, that it might be necessary in order to actually compete in the next 3-4 years. Our farm system is so empty of quality prospects, that we might HAVE to trade one of them in order to compete again in a reasonable amount of time.
2002? I'm over it. But I'll never be over Rich Aurilia.
what kenshin/JRP said
1 pitcher nets 3-4 STUD prospects, not both for prospects.
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.
I agree
As much as I hate to come to terms with it, trading one of them for a strong bounty might be necessary to compete in a reasonable time frame…
But trading BOTH? Tha’s just hard to deal with on a level that I find hard to deal with.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Apr 21, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
What blew me away was that sfgate actually put that on the front page of the Giants page! There wasn’t a comment in their fan post section that WASN’T devoid of rational thought that they could have used instead?
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
Also at 11, you may be in danger, learn how to protect yourself.
What if something happens to me 9:30, 10 or so?
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You’re on your own, pal.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 21, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
i dont want to trade any of the pitchers because Sabean will probably get fleeced again…..Lincecum looks like the real deal,
but im not sold on Cain anymore…i think people around here
overestimate his trade value…
You’re getting traded for a pack of Tic Tacs for that blasphemy!
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
send him to the sfgate blog
for voiceofrzn and a poster TBNL
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.
So..
Having a pitcher go 7-16 with a 3.65 ERA last year doesn’t make you feel sorry for him? sure, wins and ERA aren’t the tell all about a pitcher, ERA is usefull and wins make no sense, but to most of the world they go “ooooo wins shiny!”
Last year, Mark Buehrle went 10-9 with a 3.63 ERA. Justin Verlander went 18-6 with a 3.66 ERA. Those were the two pitchers above and below him in the ERA ranking. The next pitcher that had a worst Win % had an ERA of 5.10, Chris Capuano for the Milwaukee Brewers.
His last season was epic. He was such an unlucky pitcher, and truely was screwed over many many times by his offense and bullpen.
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"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
sure, you're right
he pitched in bad luck last year and so what? get over it…the giants should get over it…
i get tired of hearing about it….didnt they make some dumb commercial about it….
the guy’s a millionare already and he’s only going to get wealthier….
He cries all the time..
Though we all do during those movies…sniff
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
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Damn....
::sniff:: Why back to the autoformat things? Isn’t clicking a button easy enough for those people? Or why not just make the code logical, [b] and [i] instead of strong and em?
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Matt Cain’s tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried. Ever.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Apr 21, 2008 10:42 AM PDT reply actions
hmmm...
there are too many posters I like in this thread to respond to one directly. So I will pose this question to everyone.
Would you do the Erik Bedard trade replacing Bedard with Cain or Lincecum?
Flossing a dead horse
Yes
But I would probably trade Cain. I love Adam Jones and the rest of the prospects in that deal are pretty interesting players, as well.
I’d probably also trade Cain for the Haren package.
http://www.baycityball.com
Change that probably to definitely, I just looked at that deal again and holy crap the A’s got a boatload of talent in that trade.
http://www.baycityball.com
Really?
Cain should be more valuable than Haren. He’s younger, under control and cheaper for a longer time. and just as good.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
I didn't say I would trade him for Haren
I would trade him for that package of players, unless you think that the Giants could get a better package than the A’s got for Haren.
Carlos González, Brett Anderson, Aaron Cunningham, Greg Smith, Dana Eveland, and Chris Carter is a pretty nice package if you ask me.
http://www.baycityball.com
Yeah, I get what you're saying
What I’m saying is that the Giants should get more. Cain is cheaper and has one more year of control.
I’m not saying the package is not nice, but the A’s did not get any of the Dbacks untouchables, Upton and Young, or even Scherzer.
There’s no one in that package in the Adam Jones class. I guess it depends on what you’re looking for. Whether you want to take a higher reward higher risks deal and go for a package that contains an Adam Jones type, or take a package that spreads the risks around.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
I think the Giants could get more, maybe, but I wonder how other teams value Cain? As opposed to a guy like Haren who has “nicer looking” stats over the last few years. Wins of 14, 14, and 15, while Cain went 7-16 last year. Haren definitely had peak value after his 2007 season and I think the A’s moved him at the right time.
http://www.baycityball.com
Trading Cain would make sense
But only if the Giants strike out on the FA market this offseason and they get MLB talent for him, not just prospects.
The thought also makes me cry.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Apr 21, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Nicer looking stats?
ERA, Cain, 2.33, 4.15, 3.65
Haren, 3.73, 4.12, 3.07.
I seriously doubt any GM is going to assess Cain based on that 7-16 record. The wins might be a relevant issue, if Cain’s record was something along the lines of 3-9, ie he has injury / durability issues.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
Yeah, nicer looking stats
Which I mean’t by W’s and especially Haren’s ‘07 season and that super low ERA.
He’s also thrown 200+ innings for three years in a row making him “omg durable”
Again, I’m not saying Haren is better, but I can see why a lot of people in baseball would value him higher than Cain.
http://www.baycityball.com
I think I’d try to get one other prospect, like Balentien or Clement, in addition to Jones/Tillman/whatever, just because they’re so far from FA and (in Cain’s case) locked up so cheaply. I might be overestimating their trade value, but whatever, I’m irrational when it comes to them.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I'm not trading The Enchanter for anyone
Biased as I may be, he has “best pitcher in the majors in a few years” written all over him.
Proud pappa of....STEVE HOLM!!
by UnleashTheGore on Apr 21, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yay!
Ryan Paul: Two four-letter words are better than one.
by The Enchanter on Apr 21, 2008 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
umm don’t give Sabean any ideas.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Apr 21, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
ask that guy if...
he wants to trade his mickey mantle rookie card for my kevin maas and david justice rookies
choose lincecum/ bowker in 2009
by Headhunter Rollins on Apr 21, 2008 11:00 AM PDT reply actions
Consider the source. The SF Gate boards are a free for all for retards.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 21, 2008 12:26 PM PDT reply actions
That's an insult to the mentally handicapped
Just look at that guy, TwinFan. Weapons grade fucking moron.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Apr 21, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
My bad
A better word is needed. How about nosepicker? Or did the Goldminers of America recently file a suit with the ACLU against defamation?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 21, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
All I know...
is that if I’m mentally handicapped and am compared to the nosepickers on the sfgate boards, I’m going to be really really really… Ridiculously upset.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
Let me issue a statement through my publicist laden with language that suggests I deeply regret offending those I have offended and that I apologize.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 21, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Free for all?
I better put on my flashiest wrestling tights and get over there.
Wrestling tights are for losers!
Pantsless, man, that’s the way to go!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Apr 21, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Did we have to pass a test to be a member of McCovey Chronicles? I thought this was free for all the retards as well, especially those who put the body of their post into the subject line.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Apr 21, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Only a moron would post the entire body of a post in the subject line. Sheesh.
http://www.baycityball.com
Whatever dude, it's a mute point anyways.
For all intensive purposes, your not very nice.
http://www.baycityball.com
by xanthan on Apr 21, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Make sure..
To watch Survivor, on at 8 PM, Eastern Specific Time.
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isn’t it a “moo point”, you mean? remember, no one listens to cows.
Ryan Paul: Two four-letter words are better than one.
by The Enchanter on Apr 21, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey now, stop posting your entire post in the subject. Really, the thing is about that it takes up multiples of higher bandwidth and server space, so you really shouldn't do it. We WILL watch for people like this, and warn/ban accordingly. That's what
we’ve been told to do.
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Was that my 1st Warning
sorry…..was that my 1st warning?
by WilliamVanLandingham on Apr 21, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I resemble that remark
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 21, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Your type of comment..
That’s fine. The board admins said that’s ok.
But..uh yea truthfully a lot of us people from a couple seasons ago might remember that at one point we had to figure out a subject. Back then it didn’t even come up automatically “RE: Previous Post Subject”
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Bummer. But I was just doing it to be a smart ass. :)
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 21, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Neither... trade SANCHEZ!
JT the Brick commented on his radio show a couple weeks ago about how he can’t believe that the Giants are as small of a market as they lead people on to believe.
The only logical reason to trade studs like Cain and Lincecum is if you’re Minnesota and can’t afford a max contract.
Keep both of them, build around them through free agency, and trade commodities like Sanchez/Walker who should be able to fetch some decent prospects.
If JT the Brick said it
I suggest we determine what the opposite of that is, then do it with all due alacrity
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.
I wasn't aware that there was a "max contract" in baseball
I was THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Apr 21, 2008 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
You weren't?
Ask Barry Zito, he signed one…
2008: My previous assessment may have been overly optimistic.
and not handle kitty litter
sorry that’s pregnant women.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Apr 21, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
And wipe from front to back.
So they don’t get bladder infections.
Keep 'em all
I’m warning you guys not to screw with my future rotation of Cain, Lincecum, Sosa, Bumgarner and Alderson. The longer we suck with our anemic offense the higher we pick in the draft. Angel, Noonan, Schierholtz, Bowker, Lewis, Velez, Fairley a couple of other kids and the high draft choices of the next couple of seasons combined with maybe two or three decent FA signings will give us enough offense so that we don’t have to look at guys like Cain or Tim in another uniform. Don’t blaspheme!!
Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment
I hope you're right
what do you/others think about trying to draft mainly college hitters? maybe less upside but usually a faster track to the majors… isn’t that part of Beane’s philosophy?
2002? I'm over it. But I'll never be over Rich Aurilia.
I have real trouble
believing Cain and Bumgarner will ever be Giants teammates. It strains my most optimistic credulity to believe Cain and Alderson will be teammates.
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.
You Gotta Believe
C’mon Rog, did it strain your most optimistic credulity to believe Aurilia and Bocock would be teammates? How about Durham and Burriss?
The man has a point. Perhaps it would be wise to call up Alderson and Bumgarner now. To see what they can do, y’know.
Get in line, xan
I’m already on record as wanting Evan as our next GM, and Roger as our manager.
Your 2011 SF Giants: the 2008 Augusta Greenjackets!
if one pitcher could bring us the farm...i would do it
but it would have to be a heck of a farm, with almost all mlb ready farm hands….
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