Six-man rotation
Anybody like this idea, or is it just the Giants being short-sighted and indecisive again? Does the body really need five full days of recuperation between games? If you want to "protect the young arms," isn't it better to make sure they never pitch when they're tired (i.e., minimize the number of pitches at any one time) rather than make sure they pitch less frequently?
In a just world Noah Lowry would go the pen till he proves he's better than one of the pitchers who's currently in the rotation, but we all know by now that the Giants don't make decisions that way.
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Noah Lowry > Barry Zito.
But ya rly. he should take his time on rehab starts in the minors and then probably take correia’s spot. or sanchez if he gets sent down to start.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Apr 19, 2008 12:09 PM PDT reply actions
Bad as Zito was last year, I think he was still a bit better than Lowry. Zito has gotten even worse this year, but “worse” beats “unable to pitch” in my book.
Unable to pitch himself to 15 wins?
On a team that couldn’t win shit ?
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by FairweatherFan on Apr 19, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
WINS FTW!
On next week’s episode, LOSSES!
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by howtheyscored on Apr 19, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Wins suck yes...
But there has to be something to them. It means he at least pitched 5 innings in those games. And he pitched well enough for the team to make more offense. So there’s something, but not a lot.
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I think my comment was too snarky, even for me
Like any stat, wins aren’t completely useless, but moreso than most stats you NEED context to even approach understanding their value.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 20, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Wins and ERA (or ERA+) would indicate that Lowry pitched better last year. Now before I’m berated for using the fould word “wins,” I’d like to remind everyone that I didn’t say Lowry is amazing, spectacular, or The New Kirk Reuter. Just that he would have appeared to have pitched better last season. Despite Ks and BBs.
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i think Rehab starts is a given. they aren’t really rushed to chase anyone out of the rotation after all. if someone gets hurt in the meantime, we might see misch before we would see lowry.
IF Lowry has a couple of decent rehab starts, i think a 6 armed rotation would be okay. How else would Lowry “prove” that he is better than one of the current starters? There is a chance they could all have an ERA below or around 4. As La Rusa said, if a team actually thinks it has 6 pitchers that can win games, the 6-arm rotation can make sense. If Lowry can win games, why not run it for 6 for a couple of weeks
Maybe Lowry, Correia, and Zito (maybe Cain) could be available in the bullpen on the days they would otherwise be pitching on the side. Does that even make sense? They could get their 40 pitches in game in med-long relief to cover for the inevitable 4-5 inning starts.
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I think the “starting pitchers working out of the bullpen” scheme is smart, but you need to have (a) managers who really know what they’re doing, and (b) pitchers who really know their own bodies and can adjust to changes in routine. I’m not sure we have either.
I’d like to see some team try a six-man, three-day rotation, whereby you have two pitchers scheduled for each game, on strict pitch counts. And abandon the tradition of having pitchers throw on the side between starts. But that ain’t gonna happen soon.
you act as if one our pitchers worked himself so hard in the offseason, that he developed a freak forearm injury previously unheard of. or that another pitcher eats crazy super balance nutritious “food” from some crazy supplier and tweaks his delivery every off season and suffers from consistent slow start resulting from the “new/better” delivery.
you act as if Bochy’s treatment of the enchanter in his “first start”, was an indication of his ineptitude. or bringing in pitchers to throw one pitch and using 6 pitchers in 3 innings was “bad.”
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Can't agree
with giving up throwing on the side. That is were pitchers can work on mechanics, gain or lose confidence in certain pitches, and is really the best time for pitching coaches to, you know, coach.
I gotta agree that limiting pitches per game is a better strategy to protecting young arms than giving them 5 days in between starts. But the most noticeable thing in today’s note to me is the idea that Lowry will return in May. That means he’s coming back in five weeks at the latest - a guy who 1) had essentially no ST to get his arm in game shape; 2) underwent a surgical procedure that the doctors performing it admitted they’d never heard of a starting pitcher needing it (consequently there should be a host of unknowns in the rehab process); and 3) has as of 4/20 still not thrown off a mound - is going to be pitching in the majors in May (and doing it effectively enough to start every 5 or 6 days)?
I’m saying I believe that prognosis about as much as I believe Omar Vizquel will be in the starting lineup for our home opener (not how much I believed it when I first heard it, mind you, but how much I believe it today).
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June would be a better target than May. Rushing Lowry back would be crazy roster management; sorta like promoting to SF a couple of class A infielders who couldn’t even hit well in A ball. Who would do something like that?
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SF should watch the pitchers innings
Remember that both Correia and Sanchez have not pitched many innings for a starter the last three seasons.In 2006 Correia pitched 70 innings and in 2007 he pitched 102. In 2006 Sanchez pitched 95 innings and in 2007 he pitched 76 innings. Now both are starters so a jump up to 150-175 innings is possibe and could be a strain.
I think 150IP could be a strain for Sanchez regardless.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 19, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know why
He threw about 140 in ‘05 (125 in the Sally then two dominating starts in the Cal League playoffs) and then pitched as a starter in Puerto Rico that winter in the Caribbean League.
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.
I'm just really pessimistic about his health.
But even so, 2005 is the only year he’s stretched himself over 100IP, and he’s hit the dl with arm related problems each of the last two seasons. I think there’s honest room for concern there.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 19, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Err, because MLB is a different level of competition?
150 innings in MLB is likely different from 125 innings in A+, and ~20 IP in the Caribbean league.
Just as a 5 minute mile is more intense than a 6 minute mile.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
Counting innings is an awfully blunt tool for measuring a pitcher’s workload. The Giants could have Sanchez pitch an inning every game for the rest of the season and he’d get up to 160 innings. Or they could get the same number by having him start every every eight days but throw nine innings every start. It’s a reasonable total either way, but his arm’s going to be shredded at the end either way.
Innings in which you throw a lot of pitches cause more strain. Innings when you’re tired (i.e., those late in the game) cause more strain. Innings when your mechanics are messed up cause more strain. Innings when your arm hasn’t had enough time to recover since the last time you pitched cause more strain.
I get the feeling that teams frequently just count innings in lieu of actually trying to figure out a reasonable level of strain to which to subject each individual pitcher while trying to maximize his opportunity to develop his skills.
After thinking about it for a minute, I actually came around to liking this idea. I do not think that it will necessarily “protect the young arms.” However, I do think that 1) Noah Lowry deserves a chance to prove that his decline over the last couple years has been due to fluke injuries and that he is capable of recapturing early form & 2) That Correa and Sanchez both deserve extended auditions for starting jobs in this rebuilding year.
In a just world Noah Lowry would go the pen till he proves he’s better than one of the pitchers who’s currently in the rotation, but we all know by now that the Giants don’t make decisions that way.
In a true just world, Lowry has earned the right to have a spot in the rotation. there’s no reason to oust him because he he suffered an injury. Both Correia and Sanchez have had stellar performances and crappy performances. Correia would have to pass through waivers, while Sanchez could be optioned without. Correia has the addvantage in the battle for the fifth spot.
I’m not ousting him because he suffered an injury. I’m ousting him because he sucks. Make him the long man in the bullpen, and if he shows us he’s back to 2005 form, then you find room for him in the rotation.
Jusitify Him sucking?
In 2007 he went 14-8 w/ a 3.92 ERA. and WHIP of 1.5
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by FairweatherFan on Apr 19, 2008 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
A WHIP of 1.5 isn’t that great. Noah gave up a ton of walks last year. Noah’s wins were a product of having good run support. I remember one game where he gave up six runs (when the Giants were up 6-0 yet still got a win because the Giants were somehow able to rally back afterwards (partly in thanks to a HR from Lowry himself). While I don’t think he sucks, he isn’t the same pitcher as he was from ‘04-’05.
but he also pitched a CG loss. May 16 2007 (link to yahoo box score). one game does not a complete story tell.
but yeah, he’s not the pitcher he was in 04-05 until he proves he is. A whip of 1.55 isn’t great. it’s bad. it reflects the worst in Lowry his walks and nibbling.
I’d like to see him “prove” himself in rehab starts. then go for the 6 man rotation. for Wil’s reason – total innings pitched will be a stumbling block for Correia and Sanchez after conversion from the bullpen last year.
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and the season before, he threw this gem:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SFN/SFN200608050.shtml
9 IP 4 H 1 R for a no decision!
The WHIP was 1.55, actually. Which would have made him the 82nd best pitcher in baseball had he had enough innings to qualify, which he never does, because he’s getting hurt all the time. 82nd out of 89. And that’s in the weaker league, in a slight pitcher’s park, with a strong defense behind him.
W/L and ERA are artifacts of a pitcher’s skills, not skills in and of themselves. They’re frequently way off from a pitcher’s “true” ability. You can’t take them too seriously without a lot more data.
I’m fine with it.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 19, 2008 1:19 PM PDT reply actions
I did some research on it
You’d think pitchers would do better with extra rest, but it’s actually not the case. Rate stats barely change based on rest (I think I found for power pitchers K even went down with extra rest).
Although, the argument here is strictly about health which would logically be less of an issue. This would take away depth from the bulpen, but I don’t think that matters too much
Go Durham, Roberts, Aurilia, Vizquel, Winn, Lowry! The better you do, the quicker we can trade you!
How big was your sample?
How many different pitchers, and how many starts for each of those pitchers?
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
umm I think It was every sp from 2003-07 and I compared 4 days to both 5 and 5+. I even singled out power pitchers (7+ k/9) thinking more rest might benefit that subgroup. The results just showed little to no fluciation. I think ks might have even been marginally lower. The sample siZes were thousands of innings
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by NeifiChicken on Apr 19, 2008 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea I can see that..
4 days rest is easily measured, and 5 days rest is as well since that happens frequently enough.
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What about the sizes of the individual samples?
By this I mean for a specific pitcher. For example, let’s say we’re talking about Matt Cain. What was the sample for Matt Cain?
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
So normal rest is 4 days...
What happens when you get 5 days of rest plus an off day? How much does that screw up your routine?
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I always wonder about this too. You want to strike a balance between giving pitchers enough time to recuperate and not letting them get rusty. My hunch is that the rust that comes with that fifth day of rest will outweigh the extra recuperation.
I will dig up the numbers later if you want but I found little to no fluctuation in rates stats across the board from 4 days to 5 to 5+
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by NeifiChicken on Apr 19, 2008 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I will dig up the numbers later if you want but I found little to no fluctuation in rates stats across the board from 4 days to 5 to 5+
Go Durham, Roberts, Aurilia, Vizquel, Winn, Lowry! The better you do, the quicker we can trade you!
by NeifiChicken on Apr 19, 2008 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
We'll get an idea
We’ll likely get an idea of how a week between starts would work in Tim Lincecum’s third start from now (and others, as well). With two days off in less than a week, the unusual six days’ rest will occur.
One thing to remember is that having six days’ rest on the rare occasion is a lot different than having five days’ rest as the norm, six on many occasions and SEVEN on rare occasions.
I am open to convincing, but at the moment I am not a fan of the six-man rotation. For starters (no pun), I might die if I had to wait seven days between two Tim Lincecum starts. :)
Then how about this?
Use six pitchers, but in a 5-man rotation. Stay with me here. You know how other teams call up some young stud pitcher in August, and it gives some veteran pitcher a break for a week or two, and that’s just what he needed to come back recharged and ready for the pennant race? What if we planned that in advance?
Imagine the six starters, named A, B, C, D, E, and F. Here’s the rotation:
game 1 – A
2 – B
3 – C
4 – D
5 – E (no change so far
—
6 – F (A gets a turn skipped)
7 – B
8 – C
9 – D
10 – E
—
11 – A
12 – F (B gets a turn skipped)
13 – C
14 – D
15 – E
—
16 – A
17 – B
18 – F (C gets a turn skipped)
19 – D
20 – E
—
etc, etc
Pitcher F does in fact pitch every sixth day, and then skips a turn in the sixth week. But everybody else stays on their rotation with exception of getting a “vacation day” every sixth week. Maybe this would prevent that “dead arm” symptom so many pitchers get in August.
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They do it in Japan. I’m not opposed to the idea, I think what research has been done on the topic seems to lean towards the conclusion that the extra day of rest does significantly reduce injury risk.
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I'd like something akin to the old(er) days
Keep the 5 man, but only have starter #5 go on the days of 5th games in a row. As it is now, with strict 5 man rotations, the top four get 2 or 3 less starts a year.
by positiveuphemism on Apr 20, 2008 12:05 AM PDT reply actions
maybe I am trying to put a square peg into a round hole again but..
Given: Lowry is shown to be healthy and good to go in May some time. ( Big IF but lets run with it a bit). And every one else is proceeding well and healthy then why not shuffle Zito to D.L for a bit or long relief?
Cons:
It might hurt Zito’s feelings. I guess he could demand a trade.
Pros:
As the Vet Zito should be able to master of his body & mechanics enough to handle the shift better then the others.
Continues giving Mat & Tim regular routine work.
Would give the lower end Pitchers ( Sanchez, Correia, Lowry) the chance to build up skills and possible trade value.
With 5 young guys (three having large question marks) There should be plenty of chances for long relief type ( Zito, Hennessy ?) to get multiple innings of work.
Of coarse all this and $4 buck will get you a cup of coffee.
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A con?
It would be a CON if Barry Zito demanded a trade? Right now he has a no-trade clause and CAN’T be traded without his permission. If Barry were to demand a trade, the only problem would be how much contract the Giants would need to eat.
You’ve gotta admit America is a great place when a guy can sign Barry to a $126 million contract and then get rehired himself less than a year later.
It was the best anti argument my imagination could come up with.
Though I do concede it is not a strong counter nor much of a down side.
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6 man rotation would be good if you could get more than 5-6 innings out of the starters. A short (6 man) relief staff will be stressed by the Giants guys who cannot go deep in games (because they are not efficient with their pitches).
One insane idea would be to let the starters go 120 pitches instead of 100; And just hope that the extra recovery time counteracts the extra pitches.
I suspect they will move Correia to the pen. They probably won’t trade him or Sanchez until Lowry prooves he can still play.
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If Lowry comes back whole....Just Dump Zito
Or sit him down, so he can contemplate his millions and his navel, simultaneously.
Why limp along, trying outrageous strategies to justify this ridiculous cripple in the rotation???
Stick with a 5-man rotation.
Waiting for the rare “Zito Quality Start” is like sitting on the montaintop waiting for Halley’s Comet to reappear.
Let’s go ahead and eat the freakin’ Zito contract already.
Why expose ourselves to such pain every five or six days?
Lowry’s a better pitcher.
Move on.
Preferably, without the guy who got us into this fix: Sabean.
Not Good
... if you have Giants pitchers on your fantasy team.
... especially if you play H2H (chances of Giants pitchers getting two-start weeks are drastically lowered).
I don’t think managers should be married to tradition (the ‘closer’ phenomenon, batting order conventions, etc.), BUT I agree with whoever said this would happen only because of indecisiveness. It is NOT part of a greater strategy, or a future way of doing things.
My preference would be shift Correia to the bullpen if you trust Sanchez not to implode. Otherwise send Sanchez down to Fresno and keep Correia in the rotation. THEN if Zito retires or Lowry implodes, then go back to Sanchez and Kevin the rotation.
If the Giants were "Contenders" your proposal makes a lot of sense.
The reality is the Giants needs to save a up a lot more Blue Chip Stamps to be able to cash them into even Pretender status.
So by following your proposed actions Corriea will not have a chance to gain in realized skills value. The league already has a good idea what he can do as a relief picture. That earns a "-" on allocating resources to helping your situation.
Sanchez going down to continue to start at least allows some slower rate of converting his potential into realized skill. So basically these 2 would have little to no chance of improving enough to be used in trade for significant near MLB level talent unless we do another A.J. trade. That earns a small "-"
At the same time you give Lowry a chance to prove his health . This is good. As a younger lefty with a very reasonable contract he could be useful in getting the help the team needs. That’s a " Plus"
Zito is given a prime chance to keep digging his arse deeper into bad habits and barely making 6th inning. And at 8 years in the league he is highly unlikely to dramatically improve and if he did his contract makes him untraceable at this point. So giving him access to prime playing time at this point is a waste.
Finally any of these 4 are subject to blowing up. Yes I am looking at you Zito. I tend to value innings eaters a bit more then the general public Joe Fan does but an argument can be make the Zito is already blown up and shows little, if any, signs of any near term recovery.
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Well yeah if we could move Zito from the rotation that would be a nifty option, but that isn’t going to happen.
Look… I just hate to take 4-5 starts away from Cain/Lincecum and even Sanchez, just to see how nifty of a backend starter Lowry AND Corriea can become. Sure Corriea or Lowry might develop into a really good 4th starter, but I don’t think that possibility is worth going to a 6-man rotation. Pick one (Lowry?) and go with it until the All Star break.
If it doesn’t work out, you can slide Corriea back into the rotation for the last 2 months of the season. If they insist on Lowry and Corriea, at least Sanchez would be working on his command every 5th day down in Fresno, and Lincecum and Cain wouldn’t be shorted 4 starts this year.
Lowry has no value as a reliever that I can see, so he pretty much has to start or be moved. Corriea did well as a reliever, so it wouldn’t be the end of the world if he had to pitch out of the pen for a couple months.
PLUS we would have to dump Yabu, which is fine, but then we have no long man, AND one less bullpen slot, resulting in the taxing of what I consider a pretty good group of 1-inning relievers. So everytime Zito threw up a 3 2/3 inning stinker, or Sanchez takes 120 pitches to get through 5 innings, we would be handcuffing our pen to the tune of 15%+/- more innings apiece over the season.
Lets see.
So I don’t see why it is a lock to Zito can’t lose his spot. Even the Dodgers of the last 10 years have been known to move high money failed starters out of the rotation. I do agree the odds of all 4 being healthy enough to mandate this choice is very unlikely.
The fact there would be so many young questionable arms would mean plenty of work for the long relief guy(s). So its not like the guy there would rust. Think Jim Barr in the 70’s Giants (if you were around then). Barr was not that inferior to the other younger starters but because he could be relied upon to absorb innings it became his role. Right now absorbing innings is really what Zito does best. It comes down to what pitcher is mostly likely able to use those prolonged appearances to improve his game? Thus Zito is the logical choice of the group. As a Vet he should be pretty much self coaching by now anyways.
As for Sanchez & Correia they have not worked a regular load of over 120 innings in a couple seasons. If there is any hope of them being more then relief pitchers they need to get that kind of work load this season. Sanchez could , possibly, get it in AAA but Correia needs it on the big club. Besides which the Giants already know Correia & Sanchez would be serviceable middle relief arms. The have developed that far. Its realy is a question of finding out if they can be come more. If this is not a season taylor made for such experiments I don’t know what one looks like.
If you give Corriea & Sanchez that work at the end of the season there is less then zero chance they improve enough to draw interest for an equitable trade by the dead line. On this team that is no small thing. In fact with this front office the chance to trade a lower end rotation player is probably the only way they would acquire an better then middling prospect from someone’s upper minors. Sabean will not accept a Bedard type deal for either of the Big Two.
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by daveinexile on Apr 22, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, well, if is screws up someone's fantasy team...
...then I’m all for it.
2008: My previous assessment may have been overly optimistic.
Simply: No
We’ve seen enough statistical data to support that going to a 6-man rotation doesn’t help, and there’s enough experience with decades of 4-man rotations then 5-man rotations to be able to (at least) hypothesize that more frequent starts leads to greater arm strength (within reason; i.e., starting every other day would be harmful).
All this contortion just for one guy? Doesn’t make any sense. I want to give Lowry every possible chance to succeed… and the rest of our guys, too. Let’s just see what some rehab starts bring and meet back here after here after that.
DFA all Giants over 34 years old.
I would just move Sanchez to the pen
Bad stamina + inefficient pitching + tendency to get injured =/= Starter material. He could be a great reliever though.
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I'm with this guy!
Though I’m rather skeptical at this point that Lowry would even be worth moving Sanchez to where I believe he stands the greatest chance of having a long, successful career. Lowry might just not be worth it now.
I guess we’ll start to get an idea of whether or not he is worth it when he makes his rehab starts, though.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 21, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Can someone tell me why everyone is so worried about Sanchez getting injured? To my knowledge, he’s never had arm problems before. He’s of slight build but there have been other SP with similar builds that have found success (Oliver Perez being the most comparable).
I just see this statement pop up a lot and I don’t get it. He pitched 125.2 innings in ‘05 as a starter and if they Giants were smart (which is debatable at this point) they would have kept him in that role adding 30 IP per year, which would have but him in the 180’s, stamina-wise, before this year.
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He's battled arm soreness the last two years
And he’s had a few stints with the DL, both of which have kept his IP totals low as much as being jacked from bullpen to starting.
To be fair to everybody else, I think when you see this statement pop up a lot, you’re just seeing me say it a lot. Not a lot of people other than me seem to be too concerned with his health. But I see the soreness, the dl stints, and the fact that he hasn’t thrown over 100 IP in a season since 2005 as reason to worry.
I’m trying to find “injury history” or “dl history” to back up what I’m saying here, because some of it is more from memory than reference, but for some reason I can’t figure out where it was I found those things to begin with (I swear to God I’ve seen them). If somebody could help me out, I’d love to be able to either resource this when I keep saying it, or just stfu if, on the other hand, I’m being an idiot when I keep saying it.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 21, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
its a cop out, sure. but it is sort of an imaginative cop out, imo. the unimaginative cop out will be to demote sanchez to AAA, because he has an option. a six-man rotation (or modified 5-6 rotation) can keep everyone in the Bigs, improving and proving themselves. that last bit is what i like.
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