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Anecdotal evidence that the Giants aren’t as wretched as we expected, part I: The keyboardist from Journey was on KNBR this morning. He’s a huge Giants fan, and he was pleased with the current state of the team. He knows they aren’t exactly good, but he was glad he wasn’t one of the people who was "piling on" the team before the season started. He can also make keyboard sounds when he doesn’t even have a keyboard! It’s true.

Anecdotal evidence that the Giants aren’t as wretched as we expected part II: As a co-worker was walking out of the office, he called back with a "Hey, how about the Giants? Not bad…considering…."

Anecdotal evidence that the Giants aren’t as wretched as we expected, part III: I know exactly what they both mean. It hasn’t been that depressing to follow this team so far. It’s been frustrating, but the nausea hasn’t set in yet.

Statistical refutation of the anecdotal evidence: The Giants have a .375 winning percentage, which means they’re on pace for a 61-101 record. That’s awful. It would be the worst Giants team in 23 years.

So what’s behind the…let’s see…it isn’t optimism…uh… what’s behind the begrudging acceptance of the Giants’ .375 winning ways? Some guesses:

* The pitchers who were supposed to be inconsistent have been inconsistent (Correia and Sanchez). The pitchers who were supposed to be good have been good (Cain and Lincecum). Barry Zito is depressing us all, but we had an idea that would happen.

* There are young hitters who are impressing. Fred Lewis has been hot, John Bowker isn’t going to have to pay for his own drinks for a while, and Eugenio Velez has shown flashes of extra-base pop to go with his speed.

* The truly wretched parts of the offense are mostly coming from the old guys that aren’t going to be around for much longer.

* The bullpen has mixed in some solid performances.

Add it up, and you have how a team can lose 100 games without putting the fans through complete misery. It would only be diluted misery. Like, only 60 ml of misery for every 100 ml of baseball. I can live with this team for now; I’ll be even happier if Rich Aurilia and Ray Durham find the bench soon, and I'm still hoping (against all of my better judgment) that will happen.

Am I crazy, or is there something to this undercurrent of mild bemusement? I once won the Most Improved Player award for my 5th grade basketball team even though I was the shortest kid in the class by about five inches and had only made one basket in about 200 minutes. I’m thinking this is kind of like that. If they don’t lose 120, and if some of the young players have breakout seasons, this year won’t be that bad after all. Maybe. I reserve my right to be bitter in August.

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You Summed Up the Entire Season:

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“If they don’t lose 120, and if some of the young players have breakout seasons, this year won’t be that bad after all.”

That is exactly true. If the players that we think will help us next year play well – then it doesn’t matter if the team wins or loses. It’s kinda like having a fantasy player on the field.

And I don’t think they will lose 120 or even 100 games this season. Ultimately, I think it will be similar to last year or better.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Apr 18, 2008 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Lewis, Eugenio, Bowker & Ortmeier

Let them play! Please Bochy let them play! The only reason to let the veterans play is to hopefully have them play well enough to get picked up by another team at the all-star break. That is our only hope!

Go see my Giants blog at http://www.michaelnewjr.com

by Mike New on Apr 18, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree completely. I think that the standards were lowered so much that I’ve cherished every single win so far. It also helps that we’ve had some nice pitching performances to watch so far (Sanchez’s 10K game comes to mind) and hopefully we’ll have them for the rest of the season. Who’s Barry Zito?

Make me proud again Hen

by AndYourBirdCanSing on Apr 18, 2008 1:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Your 2008 San Francisco Giants Anti-Bitterness Cocktail

Mix 3 parts low expectations, 2 parts warm appreciation of every good thing that unexpectedly but occasionally happens, and 1 part resigned acceptance of the rest. Garnish liberally with even lower expectations. Imbibe as needed.

by 2X2L on Apr 18, 2008 1:35 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

You forgot to say

Serve chilled with liquor of your choice.

Tentatively adopting Dan Ortmeier. And Boom Goes the Dynamite.

by Andy from DC on Apr 18, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

You forgot to say

Use to wash down Prozac.

Ryan Paul: Two four-letter words are better than one.

by The Enchanter on Apr 18, 2008 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

The season is young, plenty of time left for disgruntlement but...

I’ve also been amazed about how much I’ve not really cared about the losses this season. I think the biggest part, for me, was that I accepted a long time ago that this team would be bad, possibly even very bad. That’s called “setting the bar low” so when someone actually does something nice, it is indeed nice.

I think it’s also called being dead inside, but I haven’t figured that out yet.

I could very well snap come August, but I think for most of us, it’s like being heavily medicated on some sort of drug. The lows aren’t too low but neither are the highs. Everything is just “meh”.

http://www.baycityball.com

by xanthan on Apr 18, 2008 1:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Forgot to add

I think the biggest part is that I’m a big fan of baseball.

So, even bad baseball = better than no baseball.

http://www.baycityball.com

by xanthan on Apr 18, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just watching Freddie Lewis

has been a revelation for me. He takes good AB’s, looks like he belongs in the bigs, and can fly. I’m excited.

by tyrannoman on Apr 18, 2008 1:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Watching Freddy thrive in his playing time makes up for a lot of the crap we’re going through. Plus the opportunity to watch Cain and Lincecum, even as Cain takes the bad losses again. Merkin Valdez in the bullpen is letting us hang onto hope for just a bit longer.

It’s not all bad. It’s almost all bad. But not all of it.

PS Journey > you. You=everyone.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 18, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you by any chance

using the > sign to mean “tried with every fiber of their being to destroy the joy and love of music in…”? If so, I heartily agree and add to that:

70s rock radio in the San Joaquin Valley > you. and You=Me.

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Apr 18, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus freakin' one.

2008: My previous assessment may have been overly optimistic.

by EliminateMe on Apr 18, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m a bit disappointed, but the only two games I’ve been able to follow so far have been the last two. I’m sure things will pick up with Caincecum going the next few days.

And I’m still super excited to come home and actually WATCH the games.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Apr 18, 2008 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

until mid-June

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Apr 18, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually

.375 would be their worst winning percentage since 1902, when they went 48-88 (.353) the year before John McGraw took over.

Ruben Rivera: Incompetent oaf, or mad genius?

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Apr 18, 2008 1:59 PM PDT reply actions  

You looked that up in a book didn’t you? Try looking it up in your gut.

Make me proud again Hen

by AndYourBirdCanSing on Apr 18, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

even worse, he probably looked it up…on a COMPUTER

I was THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Apr 18, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Gamers don’t look stuff up.

Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa

by raisingcain on Apr 18, 2008 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Facts can change

But my opinion never will.

If you like things that are funny, perhaps you will enjoy ChatterBalks Dot Com?

by groug on Apr 18, 2008 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was going to bring this up...

sometimes it does pays to read all the posts first.

by Angry Dwarf on Apr 18, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Greg Rollie?

or the dude that took over when Greg left?

Greg Rollie, I have to say, rocks.

Infinity is a great record.

"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"

by The Gene Hackman on Apr 18, 2008 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

I think we’ve known it all along: If key building blocks to the future (Cain, Lincecum) don’t take a step back, and a couple of other players look like they have future roles on a contender (so far maybe Lewis, Bowker, Velez, Merkin, Wilson, Sanchez, and Correia to varying degrees) then this year is a success. We all gave up on the wins and losses thing before the season started.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Apr 18, 2008 2:03 PM PDT reply actions  

the "optimism"

has more to do with the fact that things could be worse. We expected worse. We expected to be prom dates with the ugliest, fattest, sweatiest, most clingy man/woman (who knows?) attending the nearby Center for Kids that Don’t Read Good. What we got wasn’t hot or much less sweaty, but it wasn’t the other thing. And we knew that if we drank a bit and found favorable lighting, they might have a shot at being likeable. They could grow on us – less like a fungus and more like a… benevolent mole.

Someone recently asked me what i thought of the Giants – expecting despondency – and i said, “the only thing worse than losing with a bunch of youngish guys is losing with a bunch of thirty-six year olds.” As long as we aren’t losing with Rich Aurilia, Ray Durham, Omar Vizquel, and Dave Roberts in the same starting lineup… i can survive this season.

just give me some favorable lighting with my Newcastle.

by sweetjuxtapose on Apr 18, 2008 2:08 PM PDT reply actions  

addendum

and as long as they still have timmy, matt, Bowser, and Freddy playing regularly I’ll still make my trip out west to see them this season. I still have to figure out where to do my drinking though, and where to go to church.

by sweetjuxtapose on Apr 18, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't Stop Believin'

If Greg Rolie thinks there’s hope, then I’ve gotta agree.

Hey, you don’t suppose Jonathan Cain is related to Matt, do you?

Your 2011 SF Giants: the 2008 Augusta Greenjackets!

by Lyle on Apr 18, 2008 2:15 PM PDT reply actions  

It's only 16 games

Two games ago, they were on pace for a 69-93 season. Every loss or win is magnified. It would be like thinking that Bowker was on pace for 149 HR season after two games. Small samples and all that.

So you got to go with feel: does the team feel like they are better to you or not? Sure, it’s subjective, but that’s really all we got right now.

And while the runs say otherwise, Correia has just been unlucky in his starts, look at his hits, walks and K’s, he has actually pitched well, just with bad luck. He’s going to be fine going forward if he continues to pitch like this.

And I would give Magic Merkin a shoutout for how well he has pitched thus far. And Walker too, just that one bad game, he was good in the other 7 games. And Taschner has pitched well in 7 of 9 games.

Adoptive parental unit of Kevin "Most Spectacular Pitcher" Pucetas.

"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Apr 18, 2008 2:25 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree, going on feel the team is much better than I thought. If Eugenio can start hiting, it’s going to be even more fun to watch.

by tyrannoman on Apr 18, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I knew exactly...

where that Journey-related link was going without clicking through. I am embarrassed.

Disfrute Los Gigantes every day at www.leftymalo.com

by leftymalo on Apr 18, 2008 2:50 PM PDT reply actions  

I think the “optimism” is simply local trending. We started 1-5, then played some .500 ball at home. After that 1-5 ANYTHING would look good.

I think people will begin to get disgusted when the Giants pull a 4-20 month.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN

by zenbitz on Apr 18, 2008 2:54 PM PDT reply actions  

it depends on how it happens, I think. If they get blown out 12-3 every loss, to me that’s a lot different than playing competitive ball and losing 5-4 or so. As long as players improve, I think they’ll have a long leash.

by tyrannoman on Apr 18, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

A 4-20 month would actually make me very upset, despite anything good from the players. The reason being, losses make me die a little inside.

But every time I check the box score, I find myself looking at how the individual performances went more than anything. I want to see good stuff from the guys I’m cheering, and 0-4 with 5 strikeouts from the likes of Durham and Aurilia.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Apr 18, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

brutal. You know Ray-Ray will be DL’d within the next month, and Denker or Burris will have to be called up to be the backup IF’er, so just relax a little.Maybe have one of 2X2L’s drinks, watch the sunset, and relax. Ray Ray will be hurt soon.

by tyrannoman on Apr 18, 2008 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

That IS a little mean-spirited of me, isn’t it? But honestly, does anyone look at the box score and hope to see good things from Durham or Aurilia? For the benefit of the team, it’s a good thing, but I fear that any time they fluke-ily go 4-5 with three singles and a double is enough indication for Bochy that they should be starting every game for the next month.

Trust me, I’m not as uptight as I might appear to be. I just want to see goodness from the youngins.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Apr 18, 2008 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

don't get too excited

With this team, every win is like finding a $10 on the sidewalk (an unexpected windfall), and each loss is akin to paying the sales tax on some groceries (we may not like it, but there’s no use getting upset about it).

In each case, the key is extremely low expectations, which have been prescribed for Giants fans this season. That way, you simply can’t be disappointed. So far, so good.

by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 18, 2008 3:00 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Don't know if anyone else mentioned it

but we have had a tough schedule so far this year. LA, SD, Mil, Stl, AZ, I’d consider all in the top half ot the NL (Stl might not stay there but they’ve played good so far). Based on this, I wouldn’t be surprised if we actually win 70-75 games this year, which is much more than I thought at the beginning of the season. Mix in there has been no regression with Cain or Lincecum, Sanchez has shown some glimpses of dominance and the young hitters are producing makes for a successful year so far.

by AngelWillSaveUs on Apr 18, 2008 3:06 PM PDT reply actions  

I'll take this as optimism

Rob Neyer blogging about yesterday’s 22 inning affair in San Diego

Beginning in the ninth inning, there were exactly 53 times when a Padre could have ended the game with a home run. I mention this only because the Padres haven’t hit a home run in a long, long time. Not since Adrian Gonzalez homered in the first inning on April 7, 94 innings ago. With six homers all season, the Padres are tied for worst in the majors. Want to guess who else has six? Nope, not the Giants. They’ve got seven. The A’s also have only six homers (and in one more game, no less).

"Candlestick made me a man." - Will Clark

by MeSoKrabby on Apr 18, 2008 3:23 PM PDT reply actions  

between the Giants’ and A’s this summer, we’re going to see a lot of power outage jokes from out beat writers this summer.

On another note, at least the Chronicle beat writers are terrific. Schulman and Slusser are among the best.

by tyrannoman on Apr 18, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even more reason to be thankful for Bowker!

Adopted Giant Brian Wilson: One of the few reasons to watch this year.

by sfgreg on Apr 18, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bowker? Did someone mention Bowker? When does he come up again?

by wilriv21 on Apr 18, 2008 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Humans love optimism

“The 1899 Cleveland Spiders of the National League were so bad that a local sports writer named Elmer Bates wrote half of a prehistoric Top Ten list to describe the good points of following such a terrible team:
– There is everything to hope for and nothing to fear.
– Defeats do not disturb one’s sleep.
– An occasional victory is a surprise and a delight.
– There is no danger of any club passing you.
– You are not asked 50 times a day, “What was the score?” People take it for granted that you lost.”

by reeky on Apr 18, 2008 3:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Bates, who lived a long, productive life

became head writer for the David Letterman Show a century later.

by Moggeee on Apr 21, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thought experiment

Would this season be less appealing if it was Dave Roberts on a 7-game hitting streak, Ray Durham showing unexpected life in his bat, and Rich Aurilia homering on consecutive days? I think it would, and I even like those guys (well…Aurilia and Durham, anyhow).

2008: My previous assessment may have been overly optimistic.

by EliminateMe on Apr 18, 2008 3:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I like Dave Roberts

He seems to be a very good human.


I just don’t want to see him play baseball for the Giants :-)

My adopted son Matt Downs. Bill Mueller without the two-flap helmet .

by nvsfg on Apr 18, 2008 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

At last, we pry the Thought Experiment away from the dorky Physicists

and apply it’s principles where they have greater value—Baseball Daydreaming

by Moggeee on Apr 21, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vaguely Optimistic Psot strikes again!

Take that Matt Cain!

Adopted papa of a bouncing new waiver wire 27 year old. Castillo hits doubles.

by kennv on Apr 18, 2008 11:08 PM PDT reply actions  

“psot” oh well. that’s what i get for being snarky.

Adopted papa of a bouncing new waiver wire 27 year old. Castillo hits doubles.

by kennv on Apr 18, 2008 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Want more grounds for optimism?

The Giants already have as many wins against the Dbacks as the rest of the NL West.

"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."

by DbacksSkins on Apr 18, 2008 11:22 PM PDT reply actions  

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