The K Dude has some questions
by Revolution1 on Apr 16, 2008 10:50 PM PDT
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PrintHey there McCoven, I'm the guy who puts the Ks on the brick wall in right field and as the title implies, I have a couple question for you guys.
1) Should I put up Ks for relievers?
I got ribbed for doing this a few nights ago so I wanna know what you feel about it.
2) Does anyone want to fill in for me on day games during the week?
I guess you'd have to be sitting around Section 101-103 and you'd sort of have to supply your own Ks. I get my cardstock from Flax on Market and Valencia for a dollar a sheet. I could offer one of my Ks as a stencil and all you'd have to do is trace and cut.
3) I didn't come off badly on TV did I?
They literally grabbed me a couple innings before and asked me for an interview while setting a few guidelines. The whole thing happened so fast, I barely remember it, and haven't a TiVo.
Keep on blagging McCoven!
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My only request
For Merkin, can the Ks have a little furry thing attached?
Your Famous!!!
You seemed a little nervous on TV but its all good man. You’re a rockstar. Keep the K only for starting pitching and dont bother doing it on days when Zito pitches.
The giants should do it
the giants management should actually get some nice K’s to put along the R field wall. Now that there is no home run tracker it would be a good replacement.
I commend you for having the initiative to do it on your own. I think you should only do it for the Lincecum starts, to be honest. Sanchez is getting a lot of K’s, but Linc is really the only K sign pitcher we have ever had.
The point of the K meter is to show how awesome your boy is.
3 – It doesn’t matter. Stop caring unless you plan on a career in front of a camera.
by positiveuphemism on Apr 16, 2008 11:47 PM PDT reply actions
addendum
K signs look retarded when they aren’t going up every inning. That’s why I say only for Timmy, with the verdict out on Sanchez.
by positiveuphemism on Apr 16, 2008 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Not a K per IP, though
and that is what the K signs are for. Dominating strikeout pitchers, not pitchers with better than average K’s.
by positiveuphemism on Apr 17, 2008 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Just because Cain doesn’t get a K per IP doesn’t mean he isn’t a strikeout pitcher. That’s kind of an arbitrary cut-off. Last year he had a game with 11 K’s, a game with 9, and 3 games with 8. That’s plenty of cardstock on the wall. Who’s to say he won’t have a better K rate this year?
Adopted Giant: Travis Denker. Good?
by scotterduder on Apr 17, 2008 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
You're reaching
Think about it. When do you see those things being used? Yeah…for the big time K pitchers. Otherwise it is just pathetic.
Oh boy!! 4 K’s!! WOOHOO!!!
Oh look..Zito is starting…wow, no K’s today.
It’s just stupid when it isn’t for the big guys.
by positiveuphemism on Apr 17, 2008 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions
That's like saying
You don’t put up chickens for IBB’s when they aren’t issues to Bonds, or the same thing for splash hits. It may be primarily inspired by one players particular abilities – but it makes it all the better when other players get involved.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Apr 17, 2008 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Well I can’t really tell how many Ks a pitcher will have that night and except for Zito, who is getting frustrating, it seems like all our starters have the capability to really get to batters. Also I sort of like putting up the Ks, it’s fun and supporting our run-starved pitchers who hopefully won’t try to escape the first chance they get.
If a pitcher can get 5-6Ks, I feel it’s worth it.
Don't you it's gonna be all right. But not right now.
by Revolution1 on Apr 17, 2008 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
If good old Charlie Finley was around he would be taking care of you and your K’s. You need a sponsor from the front office.
Hell...
If I could do the hammer slide I’d be in the front office.
Don't you it's gonna be all right. But not right now.
by Revolution1 on Apr 17, 2008 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Considering
Each of our starters has the capability to make the opponent grab some serious pine (except Zito), I like seeing it for all starters.
So what if one day Sanchez only strikes out 3… you will feel stupid if you don’t do it for his next start where he strikes out 11.
I wouldn’t mind seeing it for releivers, either. Once of the exciting things about our bullpen this year is that Wilson, Walker, Valdez, and Special Agent all have some serious strikeout stuff.
Even more impressive than lincecum striking out say 8 in 6 innings is any of the releivers wiffing two in one.
And it WILL happen this year where the releif corp comes in and burns down the side… so I think it would be appropriate there as well.
Hang ‘em up – and hang ‘em up proud. We’ve got a strikeout pitching staff – so all in all it makes sense.
Btw, the Giants lead the NL in strikeouts.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
121 in 16 games
That’s 7.5 per game as a staff, which is pretty freakin awesome.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Apr 17, 2008 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I know you are only using Sanchez as
an example here, but I would like to point out that he has 15 IP and 21 SO which is almost exactly the rate that “Timmay” has, 16 IP and 22 SO.
As a marketing tool, perhaps the front office can do some K sound byte stuff, similar to the walk up music for the batters. My son and I sit in center field and do South Park “Timmay” goofs when he records a K. I think it would be cool if they did that over the PA. But hey, if it is a important situation and the batter gets to two strikes the crowd is already into it, and because there have been quite a few of those moments sofar this year the K’s have made it fun.
I’ve been meaning to post my great appreciation for this year’s bullpen, relative to last year’s and this is a great time to do so. So, put those K’s up for them too.
Bases loaded, one out and ${VETERAN_GIANT} hits a $#^&*@# grounder to 2nd!!!!
hennessey has the second most strikeouts amongst giants relievers, 7 in 7.2 innings. Walker has 8 in 6.2. Tash has 6 in 6.1 and so on.
where can i find BABIP? I checked the cube and reference, but didn’t see it. do i need a subscription to something?
Adopted papa of a bouncing new waiver wire 27 year old. Castillo hits doubles.
I love the Ks, personally. The more the merrier.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 17, 2008 6:59 AM PDT reply actions
I agree
In fact, I don’t think you should be limited by just putting them up when a batter actually strikes out. Put up two for particularly wicked fastball Ks. Three for dramatic end the inning with runners on every base Ks. If an inning goes by with a K, stick one up just for the heck of it and hope nobody notices. Just think how intimadating it’ll be for opposing batters to face Timmy or Matty with a row of like 40 Ks out there!
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.
by Roger on Apr 17, 2008 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Though I have to ask, did speaking to that annoying sideline reporter make you want to die? Whenever she speaks to the Giants guys they look like they’re silently wishing for their own deaths.
I’ve only had one guy avoid looking at me in interview situations. The rest at least retain eye contact. I’ve never ever seen a guy have the silent death wish look on his face when I speak to him. At least not in baseball.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 17, 2008 7:21 AM PDT reply actions
I've gotta say
she is by far the worst sideline reporter I’ve ever seen, and that’s saying something. Her interview with Fred Lewis the other night was awful, and the one in LA with Christian Slater really did make me throw up in my mouth a little. She needs to either A) no longer be part of the broadcast or B) wear the Crazy Crab outfit so at least I’ll be mildely amused.
I vote wear the Crazy Crab outfit because that would be very amusing.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 17, 2008 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Even better...
...have her wear MeSoKrabby’s version.
Aaron "Swag" Rowand
by victor frankenstein on Apr 17, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Tired of Female Sideline Reporters
Maybe it’s sexist, but these girlie reporters get on my nerves. I never even get the impression that they’re interested in baseball since they’ll keep talking while the game is going on. That Cammie chick was bad but this new one—ugh.
I’ve been unhappy with the interjection of women into sportscasting in general. Now it could be that they’re putting in the wrong type of woman; the kind of woman who is more interested in how she looks on camera than in the baseball game going on around her.
Renel is an exception. She’s not particularly pretty and seems like a real passionate fan. If they’re going to have women in the broadcasts they should be more like her. You know the kind of girl that’s yelling at the umpire and has peanut shells all over here, not the kind of woman checking the jumbotron to see if she’s on it.
I wouldn't blame the reporters for "being the wrong type of woman"
Blame the producers for hiring the wrong type of reporter. I’d rather watch virtually anyone than Jeannie Zelasko or however you spell her freaking name. She is positively painful to watch.
But let’s face it: sports reporting is a tough racket to break into for a woman. There are precious few good commentators, regardless of their genders. It should be a meritocracy, but it ain’t, yet. Hopefully we’ll get there.
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.
That’s it right there. Without hopping on my soapbox about this subject, I’ll keep it brief. I got out of broadcasting for that very reason. I went into college as a broadcast major hell bent on being the female Jon Miller.
There are two types of women in broadcasting in general—the ones who actually want to and will work, and the ones who just say “I want to be on TV!” In my classes at college I dealt with more of the “I want to be on TV!” gals than the ones who actually knew shit. It’s sad, really. I saw more than a few really smart girls I worked with in these classes just bail because they didn’t want to deal with the BS either.
Granted, working with people in this business you’ll get the nosepickers of either gender. I can remember directing a television program in my production class and asking camera 3 to zoom in about four times before the floor manager had to go over there and ask the guy to do what I asked him to do.
As long as a network will hire someone who doesn’t have a real committment to learning the trade and working the trade, there will be this problem. I’d place the blame on the women who don’t strive to use their brains as much as the suits who hire them to not use their brains. It’s a crappy cycle.
I knew I’d have problems if I stayed in broadcasting because I’m not the stereotypical “hot chick.” I don’t want to start a debate on that here. I just mention it because it was a large factor to focus on writing, where my words would proceed my appearance. I use my masculine nickname because I feel it makes most readers default to thinking of me as a male, therefore not questioning my intellgence or knowledge. Then when I show up to speak to a guy for an interview and drop the questions that I spent lots of time researching, I get some pretty good quotes.
So it’s a fight. I’m not gonna lie to you. I’m extremely disappointed in the sideline reporter racket, and I am extremely thrilled to know there are amazing ladies like Renel out there. It’s really disappointing to me to give up my dreams of play by play MLB broadcasting, especially since I really wanted to start up alternate language broadcasting Stateside in Japanese or Korean. But we do what we can, because trying to take on the whole system by yourself means you will lose.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 17, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I use my masculine nickname because I feel it makes most readers default to thinking of me as a male, therefore not questioning my intellgence or knowledge. Then when I show up to speak to a guy for an interview and drop the questions that I spent lots of time researching, I get some pretty good quotes.
This is me while reading it: “How is ‘BaronVonCurrentEvents’ masculine? Well I guess compared to BaronessVonCurrntEvents…..
wait….but….that doesn’t make any sense….
She doesn’t introduce herself to players as “BaronVonCurrentEvents”.....Does she?
Ohhhhhhh.
She meant Chris.
Nevermind.”
I should get some sleep.
You deserve to be struck out, when your first name's a verb.
MAYBE it's sexist?
If you have to ask … yeah.
Why would you be unhappy with women in sportscasting “in general”? Because you haven’t seen one you liked yet or maybe because you’re predisposed to not liking the concept?
Still watching out for Notgardo in Fresno. Hope you make it back up soon. We miss you 'round The City way. How come you never call?
obligatory "small sample size"
I’m no connoisseur of sports reporters, but I can’t think of a female sports reporter I like. I can think of no male ones I like either, other than our SFG broadcast team.
If Papa, Bip, and FP all got sent down to Salem-Keizer, for example, I wouldn’t miss ‘em a bit.
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.
Robin Roberts, Lesley Visser, Linda Cohn, Chris McKendry…?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 17, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
This is going to get me in trouble..
But I think the tonal qualities of the female voice are typically less well suited to public address. Renel has a rare talent (and notice she has a relatively low voice, for a woman). Public address carries over into sports reporting because, while not attempting to project your voice, your inflection and dynamics are important. The excited call of a remarkable play is Key to a successfull commentator, and doing so in a female voice while retaining clarity and tonal moderation is uncommon.
I’ve noticed this in all sorts of forums. Some may call it sexist, but It’s just my opinion based on years of observation. A man can raise his voice and typically sound powerful. When a woman raises her voice, often it raises in tone as well and becomes shrill.
Evidence: Hillary Vs. Barack.
Anyway, something to think about.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Apr 17, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Which is why I took voice classes to learn to lower the pitch of my voice in preparation of a career in broadcasting.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 17, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Thats it?
I thought I was going to get in more trouble. I guess I’ll have to try harder.
How about :
Women just aren’t as good at anything as men.
Except those things.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Apr 17, 2008 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I’ll be fair. I know of the attitudes women face when they join the ranks of sportswriters and sports broadcasters. So I do my best to excel in my work while trying to lessen whatever crticism I could draw.
It sounds horrible for me to say that I’m still expecting to be harassed in this line of work. I just thank god that all the Giants minor leaguers I’ve spoken to have treated me with nothing but respect and kindness. Their parents done raised them right.
In fact the other sportswriters are the bigger jerks. I haven’t been harassed by any of them, but they’re generally snippy people. So I can’t blame that on me having one more X chromosome than they have.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 17, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh and don’t worry. I can just think about where I am in my life and the things I’m doing, and how that has defined me as someone who will never let gender beat her. :)
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 17, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
have fun with that.
I’m going to go obsess over my genitals now.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Apr 17, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, you DO have nice genitals.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Apr 17, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll leave you to beat yourself.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 17, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Roberts and Visser, yes.
Cohn irks me for some reason, and i’m drawing a blank on McKendry.
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.
McKendry did work on ESPNews a while back. I always liked her. She just did her job well.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 17, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
KATE TROESCHER!
Anybody who doesn’t know who Kate Troescher is, she’s more of a VERY localized cult figure than anything else.
But she broadcasts AWESOME.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Apr 17, 2008 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Where can I find what she has done?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 17, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
You wouldn't like me if I told you
Because when I say “very localized cult figure,” I mean she was a Cal broadcaster/mic-woman as an undergrad.
I don’t know what she’s gone on to do since, but she was basically a campus hero while she was there and for at least three years after she graduated (I don’t know if the newer, crappier froshes still hear the legends).
In any case, I hope she is still working in broadcasting, because I was lucky enough to listen to her on a regular basis, and she was pretty damn good.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Apr 17, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Well good for her for being so successful there. Unfortunate school affiliation aside. :)
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 17, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
The "reporter in the stands" role is inherently distracting...
...since it’s always something to cut away from the game to. I remember Glen Kuiper doing similar spots that were just as annoying and irrelevant.
2008: My previous assessment may have been overly optimistic.
by EliminateMe on Apr 17, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I fundamentally dislike that approach anyway. Just watch the game…
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Apr 17, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Or when the almighty Bip and FP did them, they were just as annoying as Cammie.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
Lord yes they were.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 17, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I routinely yell COME ON BLUE and I’m a messy eater who spills everywhere, does that count?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 17, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
She was okay I guess.
She asked me a couple questions before we went live, and she didn’t seem particularly off-putting. I was a bit confused when she asked me about the tape though.
Don't you it's gonna be all right. But not right now.
K Dude -- I thought you were a TRUE giants fan
your first post ever comes right after you join Athletics Nation … tisk, tisk :o)
Hey thats not fair.
I have more than 50 comments here and I just joined yesterday after the A’s game. $2 Wednesdays rock and a week without the Giants at home sucks.
Don't you it's gonna be all right. But not right now.
Don't worry about it
He’s the one who’s actually not a true Giants fan. He just likes Mel Ott.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Apr 17, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I think you should put up “weighted” Ks. So Timmy, Cain, and Sanchez get 1:1, but Zito would get like 3 everytime he actually Ks someone.
And I think you should make the starters Ks orange and the relievers black.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN
was just gonna suggest this
the color coding bit. great idea, and solves your starter vs. reliever problem.
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.
I love the idea of color coding the Ks.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 17, 2008 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I like the color idea. I’ll see what I can do.
Don't you it's gonna be all right. But not right now.
The Color Idea is awesome!
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Apr 17, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Orange for starters because they will typically have more over the course of a game and I feel like Orange is a little easier to see.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Apr 17, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
You make a strong point
That’s true. Your way might be better after all.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Apr 17, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I read the name of the diary and thought Natto has something to ask…
You deserve to be struck out, when your first name's a verb.
by Cookyman on Apr 17, 2008 9:34 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That K dude...
...only has one question: “Who are these weird Americans and why are they putting my picture on a baseball blog?”
2008: My previous assessment may have been overly optimistic.
by EliminateMe on Apr 17, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Late to the party...
Why not..like Natto..do the K’s different for looking and swinging? Someone suggested black and orange K’s, why not have one for looking, and the other set up backwards and be another color? Or just reverse the colors, black on an orange background, orange on a black background as well.
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