Inappropriate Puns, part II
Over on Brew Crew Ball, I was asked what my first move would be if I were the GM for the Giants. The Giants need help in just about every offensive area, but the answer is still easy: There has to be a first baseman who would fit the Giants’ needs better than Rich Aurilia.
I've never had confidence in Dan Ortmeier to be that guy, but I’m intrigued now that he isn’t going to bat lefty anymore. As the right-handed part of a platoon, Ortmeier could still get some at-bats against righties when he faces late-inning relievers, but he would be able to ease into the conversion. It’s still doubtful that he’ll ever have enough offense to be an average first baseman, but stranger things have happened. Maybe a righty-only Ortmeier will eventually be able to hit righties just as well as lefties. ‘Tis the season to try stuff like this out.
Now all that’s missing is a left-handed platoon partner. Hopefully, he’d be cheap, both in terms of salary and trade costs. And he’d preferably have some power. He doesn’t have to be Carlos Pena, but he’d have to have a better upside than Aurilia…
…so, yeah, I’m in the "please acquire Dan Johnson"-camp. It makes way too much sense. You say he’s oft-injured. I say he’s free. If he gets injured again, what would happen? The Giants wouldn’t have a good first baseman? Welcome to 1994. Johnson’s career .298/.388/.517 minor league line hints that there is some room for improvement on his .249/.344/.419 major league line, but note that even his lackluster major league line would be an improvement on the current version of Aurilia.
The Giants have indicated that they aren’t interested, but that could be posturing. The A’s still a few days to try and get something back for Johnson. The Giants could have a pretty good idea that league-wide interest is low, and they’re just waiting for Johnson to hit the waiver wire. Or they could really not be interested because, hey, they already have Rich Aurilia. That would be just goofy reasoning.
It would be tough to designate Aurilia for assignment – I have fond memories of the old Aurilia – but it shouldn’t stand in the way of an easy decision like this. I hope that Aurilia hangs around the organization after he’s done, kind of like what J.T. Snow has done. Maybe there would be some hard feelings if he isn’t given a chance to improve on his 2007. Them’s the breaks, though. Now that Dave Roberts isn’t on the active roster, Aurilia might be the player on the team who is the worst roster fit on the Giants.
Johnson/Ortmeier ’08: It wouldn’t make sense for any other team, but I’ll try anything.
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Well-said
Sadly, because I agree with you, I know that it will not come to pass. Last night for instance, I would have agreed with someone who said the Warriors would win and the Giants would lose. I truly wish I did not control the universe this way. It is a burden.
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by hairball on
Apr 11, 2008 1:00 PM PDT
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Ort
I agree with your thinking about the odds of Ort never being an average 1B, but I think it might be a little myopic. I see Ort's current ABs as a way to get him MLB ABs, period. With his athleticsm, he's probably better suited as outfielder and there just aren't enough ABs to go around out there.
Note that Bochy said Ort would be getting some of the ABs vacted by Roberts.
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by Goofus on
Apr 11, 2008 1:04 PM PDT
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I am as frustrated as others that Aurilia still starts, but given the rumors that the Giants were trying to start a fire sale, offering up all their vets, I still think that they are starting the vets for showcase as much as to win (relatively speaking). And I don't recall what happened in the spring for Aurilia by the end, but I recall that both he and Durham were hitting well, whereas Ortmeier struggled until the last week of spring.
Ort is no long term solution, but he has done well enough in his minor league career and his brief time in the majors to get a longer look to see if he can do it or not. It is not like we have a sure thing prospect that playing Ortmeier would hold him back, Villalona is years away from that, nor that we are so competitive that it would hold the team back, it's losing epically or losing mediocrely, that's our choices this season. He looks like he can provide power and speed, and even if it is not starter worthy, he could become very valuable as a utility guy who can come off the bench and provide both power and speed, along with an OK bat. THAT can be valuable.
And who knows, maybe he finally develops into the 20/20 starter that was envisioned for him years ago. Probably not, but there's nothing to lose this season from giving him ABs to find out if he can continue to hit like he did last season (which was 1B-worthy enough). At least he was consistently hitting, unlike Davis who has been cold since September 2007 started.
Why futz around trying to find this "difference maker" when you know that the next word from the other team is "Cain" or "Lincecum", or perhaps "Sanchez" now (he was reportedly asked for by the Mets long ago for Carlos Gomez, a Jose Reyes type in the mind of some Mets insiders)? We won't be able to find a difference maker trade until someone is willing to take a lot of our A-ball stars in trade.
I think it's best this year to focus on trying to find the internal prospects who can be the complementary players on the team in the future, then sign free agents who should be above average (I think Rowand is one) in the off-season, and rebuild year by year and re-assess.
Bochy also said that Davis would get some of the ABs in LF as well. I would rather see him say Ort was getting more ABs at both 1B and LF. I would rather see him say that he would play Ort at 1B and start Aurilia at 3B regularly. At least for now, when the season is young.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on
Apr 11, 2008 1:57 PM PDT
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Starting Aurilia at 3rd base?
Have you noticed the guy starting at third base has been one of the best Giants hitters thus far? Castillo is a 2b/3b type that could hit 20+ home runs if he stays in the lineup. He's approximately the same age as Orty. He can complement the speediness of Velez in the post Durham-era.
Aurilia can get a couple more starts, but he should move to the position initially envisaged for him, IF VET BACKUP. If Ort and Castillo stay above the mendoza line they get the starts, Aurilia pinch hits and spot starts when they need a rest.
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by kennv on
Apr 11, 2008 6:27 PM PDT
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I pretty much agree.
But why would Aurilia be D.F.A’ed before Durham?
Neither is tearing it up with the bat. And the later can not attempted to field more then one position. So logic would place more (nominal) value on the guy that can be plugged into multiple position … No?
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by daveinexile on
Apr 11, 2008 1:07 PM PDT
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Aurilia is going nowhere. Sabean said yesterday he will be Vizquel's backup when Omar returns from the DL. At least it means that he won't be the first baseman anymore. It's obvious the Giants are planning on an Ort platoon with some lefty, whether it's Dan Johnson or someone else.
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by rxmeister on
Apr 11, 2008 2:15 PM PDT
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Quick reaction after last night
It seems to me that this year's Giants can be one of those that opponents 10 to 15 games over 500 consider a "dangerous team" to face. We can be one of those teams that ruin others' mojo and bite them in the ass when they let their guard down--similar to the way Torre would say he loathed facing the D-Rays. These past few years have been brutal because we had a big guy in Bonds yet we still got our clocks clicked. This year, we really do have "nothing left to lose", and hence, freedom to ruin other teams' momentum. If this team can become the wedding crashers of baseball, it really will be fun to watch.
"If I can change and you can change, then everybody can change!" Rocky Balboa, Rocky IV
by WithTechron on
Apr 11, 2008 1:07 PM PDT
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All the Padres' honks on their flagship station were expecting a "easy" sweep coming into the series. After the loss on Tuesday night, they didn't consider the Wednesday game a "rubber" game at all. It was hilarity to hear all the tears and whining on how Sanchez dominated. I haven't heard the Pads fans this befuddled and angry in quite a while...and that includes the meltdowns at the end of last season.
Then again, seeing "the old mare" go rag doll after he hit the wall made me smile a smile only a clown has. Ted Leitner must have triple crapped himself when his hero Jim Edmonds has proved he needs a rest home instead of just rest.
If we suck, but bring more moments like this, then the season might have some value after all.
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by sectionop92 on
Apr 11, 2008 2:45 PM PDT
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We can be one of those teams that ruin others' mojo and bite them in the ass when they let their guard down
See? When people were saying that the Giants would "bite ass" this season, we all thought they meant the Giants would be bad.
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by Goofus on
Apr 11, 2008 3:26 PM PDT
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they're the team to fear because their starters have the potential to shut down an offense. Going 2 for 14 in a series can rattle a hitter, especially when its the whole line up and the limp away with 6 runs scored in a series.
On the other hand that the whole Giants season. Over/under on Giants runs per 3 game series: 7.
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by kennv on
Apr 11, 2008 6:31 PM PDT
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The Giants could have a pretty good idea that league-wide interest is low, and they’re just waiting for Johnson to hit the waiver wire.
I hope this is the case, but I no longer have faith that they are this clever.
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by marcello on
Apr 11, 2008 1:14 PM PDT
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I had the same thought. It's more likely that Sabean took a look at Johnson's low batting averages and mediocre glove and said, "Waste of time. I'm just gonna trade Jonathan Sanchez for Scott Hatteberg instead."
by Evan on
Apr 11, 2008 1:18 PM PDT
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We'd have to pry that veteran goodiness from Dusty's cold dead hands.
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by marcello on
Apr 11, 2008 1:23 PM PDT
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They're probably NOT that smart, but they'll do it anyway because Sabean and Beane don't seem to like each other. Sabean is not going to let Beane hoodwink him out of a prospect for a player Beane doesn't want. He'll pretend not to have interest even if he does.
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by rxmeister on
Apr 11, 2008 2:20 PM PDT
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I'm fer it
It's not like the Giants will be giving Ort a chance at 1B anyway. Maybe signing an actual first baseman would force Bochy to sit Aurilia.
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by Natto on
Apr 11, 2008 1:14 PM PDT
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On KNBR last night Sabean said he wants a "difference maker" so as not to create a "revolving door" at 1B.
So, until the difference maker magically appears, they can continue to employ a complete and total black hole.
by KCE on
Apr 11, 2008 1:21 PM PDT
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In that same KNBR interview Sabean mention that it is a sure thing Brian Bocock will be sent down when Omar Vizquel returns and that Rich Aurilia would be playing some back-up SS when Vizquel rests. Sabean is currently burning up the lines for a LHH 1B and knows he will have to trade some talent to receive one.
by wilriv21 on
Apr 11, 2008 1:27 PM PDT
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WTF
does it matter if it's a LHH? At this point why wouldn't you just focus on getting a 1B that could hit the ball? When your offense is as bad as this one is, you don't worry about balance. You worry about getting people who can hit with some decency.
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by UnleashTheGore on
Apr 11, 2008 1:29 PM PDT
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Ah that canny Sabean. He could give speech writing lessons to either Clinton.
Notice he did not define exactly what constitutes a "difference maker" at the time.
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by daveinexile on
Apr 11, 2008 1:29 PM PDT
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That depends...
...on what the definition of "difference maker" is, your honor.
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by Lyle on
Apr 11, 2008 3:49 PM PDT
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i'm indifferent about Johnson
and I also don't think Sabes will pick him up (see "difference maker" comments above).
Throw Ort at first, give him a ton of ABs. This is the year to try it, cuz it doesn't make a whit of difference.
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by delorean on
Apr 11, 2008 1:35 PM PDT
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by MeSoKrabby on
Apr 11, 2008 2:07 PM PDT
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I agree.
We have absolutely nothing to lose by taking a chance on Johnson.
by withclubsauce on
Apr 11, 2008 2:11 PM PDT
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The waiver wire seems to have paid off at third base, it might do the same at first. It's actually pretty sad that players on the waiver wire are better than anything the Giants have at both the major league and minor league level.
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by rxmeister on
Apr 11, 2008 2:22 PM PDT
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If only that was the prevailing opinion among my lady friends while I was in college...
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on
Apr 11, 2008 3:05 PM PDT
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Should I be worried???
I've read this entry 3 times now and can't for the life of me find an inappropriate pun in there!
I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused!
by PLUChris on
Apr 11, 2008 2:46 PM PDT
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Imagine the inappropriateness
If Bocock (the subject of part I) and Johnson turn a DP on Pujols. Oh, the humanity!
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by hairball on
Apr 11, 2008 2:49 PM PDT
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Sabean's just keeping the seat warm at this point
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by nostocksjustbonds on
Apr 11, 2008 2:47 PM PDT
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if Aurillia is DFA'd scenario:
here's the infield assuming Johnson or other lefty superstar becomes a Giant:
1B: Johnson LH / Ort RH
2B: Durham S
SS: Vizquel S
3B: Castillo R
& Velez S
That leaves Velez as the backup for a 40 year-old SS, a 35 year-old 2B, and some guy who might stop hitting over at 3b. Are you all comfortable with that? As much as this season doesn't matter, and I want to see the young guys play, it just isn't feasible to have the above infield. I'm not sure that it is even possible given days off, pinch-hitting, etc.
It makes more sense to have a guy like Aurillia who can play all four infield positions if need be, than have two dedicated 1B (with 5 other OF, Ort should be a dedicated 1B if he is on the team; although I suppose they could go with 4 OF and Ort). From a practicality standpoint, wouldn't Ort go down?
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on
Apr 11, 2008 3:04 PM PDT
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That leaves Velez as the backup for a 40 year-old SS, a 35 year-old 2B, and some guy who might stop hitting over at 3b.
If Omar needs a break, I would think you'd slide Castillo over to SS and Velez would take the hot corner. If Omar got hurt again, you simply reach down and grab your Bocock and voila, he's up again.
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by Goofus on
Apr 11, 2008 3:23 PM PDT
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Hmmm...
I am sitting here trying to poke holes in your argument, but I can't find one reason why grabbing my Boccock isn't the most prudent choice that can be made at any time.
Seriously, I guess it works, but I still don't like the idea of two dedicated 1B on any team, even the 2008 SF Warrior Spirits.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on
Apr 11, 2008 3:31 PM PDT
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or dump Durham
play Velez at 2nd, and have Aurillia as backup for all the infield
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by Mr Scruff on
Apr 11, 2008 3:48 PM PDT
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I think there's a few million reason's why they'd be more reluctant to give up on Durham this early.
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by Goofus on
Apr 11, 2008 4:14 PM PDT
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new ortmeier + new lefty bat = more potential than the rest of the roster and free-ish options. i'd rather see timpner sent down and aurilia getting another month at third before the DFA. pre-neck injury aurilia wasn't playing so bad last year, and i'm holding no hope that prime years castillo > about-to-be-DFA'd aurilia.
certainly i'd love to see schierholtz playing. but lewis/davis are the present, and velez is going to get OF time. we don't need timpner, and schierholtz wouldn't get any playing time.
it really excites me: new ort and johnson. so unpredictable. so cheap. they are the spring hope that we need. delusional, idiotic spring hope? definitely. but sabean really needs to throw us a freakin bone here.
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by jasomack on
Apr 11, 2008 3:33 PM PDT
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Make it so
I think that Johnson would complete Ort's soul- two halves of the same warrior spirit, really.
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by mjrboredom on
Apr 11, 2008 4:11 PM PDT
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GAMERS!

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by MeSoKrabby on
Apr 11, 2008 4:53 PM PDT
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He's not great, but he can take a walk and has some pop which is something you can't say about anyone else in the lineup.
Sabes has a chance to expedite the rebuilding process by taking some chances on cheap talent. In his interview he said he didn't want a minor leaguer or someone off the waiver wire, which doesn't make much since he plucked Castillo off waivers and has raved about him.
Why not take another chance? The Castillo move has turned out (somewhat) OK.
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by sfgreg on
Apr 11, 2008 5:07 PM PDT
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"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on
Apr 11, 2008 5:39 PM PDT
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I forgot, one should never question Sabean's logic.
Wow, I butchered that last sentence in the second paragraph. Must be listening to Sabean too much.
Those Sabean pics rule!
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by sfgreg on
Apr 11, 2008 6:13 PM PDT
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is it a given DJ would clear waivers
just to get to the giants, he'd have to first clear waiver through every AL team. not that these teams would pick him up, but going back to last season there was interest from yankees, red sox, twins, etc. plus rangers, o's, m's etc dont have exactly the most secure players at 1b, who might take a chance. that said, i just cant see the A's/Giants getting together on a deal
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Apr 12, 2008 12:33 AM PDT
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