Roberts will be out for a good part of the season
by cakes on Apr 10, 2008 7:34 AM PDT
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"We've tried all the drastic measures and I'm still at square one right now," said Roberts, who was told that this surgery would be more extensive than a typical arthroscopy. That means he would miss more than the normal four to six weeks.
Manager Bruce Bochy said Fred Lewis will get most of the starts in left field, but Rajai Davis and Daniel Ortmeier will play there, too.
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Love the lede!
Those who want to see younger players in left field will get their wish...
Schulman knows his audience, huh?
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.
Roberts' Giant Days Are Over
He'll likely be out most of the season, as you said. At his age, and with now no trade value left, there really is no need for the Giants to keep him around in the faint hope that he will have some trading deadline value. But with no obvious leadoff hitter in the lineup now, will they let Velez have a crack at that now?
Second, I was intrigued to see Bochy say that Lewis defaults into being Roberts' replacement, with Davis and Ortmeier secondary. As last night shows, Lewis can play decent defense out there at times, and Ortmeier when given a chance to only bat right-handed can deliver needed power. Could the Giants be thinking of sending Rajai Davis to the A's for Dan Johnson?
Still signed for another year
Remember that Roberts' contract runs through 2009 (at $13M total for 2008-09). I'd be surprised if the Giants are willing to just eat all of that by releasing him outright.
2008: My previous assessment may have been overly optimistic.
by EliminateMe on Apr 10, 2008 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
more money well spent
that should earn Sabes another 2 years...
Bonds stands alone.
by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 10, 2008 8:17 AM PDT reply actions
Dave Roberts
Game over.
Aaron "Swag" Rowand
by victor frankenstein on Apr 10, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Not surprised
I wasn't surprised either to find out that he was hurting, he looked really very slow to start the season. Thats why when you have a speed players are so risky. All their value is tied up in one skill -- the ability to run fast -- and if they lose that skill, they aren't so good.
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I am not suprised either
Dude is hurt every year. Every Year.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Apr 10, 2008 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Everyone wants
a Carlos Beltran, a guy who can hit for average, power, takes walks, fast, runs the bases well, plays great D. Guys like Carlos Beltran don't grow on trees.
Sure, a guy who is a speed player is at risk if he loses his speed. And if a guy who is a power player loses his power he is also at risk.
Ichiro's value is to a large extent tied up in his speed. Take it away and sure, he's in trouble. Adam's Dunn's value is to a large extent tied up in his power. Take it way and sure, he's in trouble.
Aside from that, studies have shown that speedy athletic players age better than players with "old man" skills; guys like Soriano age better than guys like Carlos Lee, guys like Ichiro age better than guys like Dunn.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
"Guys like Carlos Beltran don't grow on trees."
(Walks outside , looks at Carlos Beltran tree , shakes head , walks back inside)
Aaron "Swag" Rowand
by victor frankenstein on Apr 10, 2008 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure, a guy who is a speed player is at risk if he loses his speed. And if a guy who is a power player loses his power he is also at risk.
Maybe I should have qualified it as a "One dimensional speedster". Any player with just one tool won't fare well if that tool leaves them.
Ichiro's value is to a large extent tied up in his speed. Take it away and sure, he's in trouble. Adam's Dunn's value is to a large extent tied up in his power. Take it way and sure, he's in trouble.
Ichiro gets a bunch of infield hits, true, and that's helped by his good speed but he's still an excellent hitter with uncanny bat control. I honestly think that if Ichiro lost a step, he could concentrate on hitting more line drives than slapping the ball on the ground, Roberts could never do that because he doesn't have Ichiro's hitting skill to begin with.
If you take away Adam Dunn's power he's still going to have good OBP skills, he might get challenged more but he has more than one tool, unlike Dave Roberts.
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I dunno, I don't think Dunn really has any more "OBP skills" (in a vacuum) than Dave Roberts. If you take away Dunn's power, he's not going to be walking that much, because pitchers will have little reason to nibble.
Clearly Roberts is not and has never been as good as Ichiro or Dunn, but I don't see any reason to think that he's particularly vulnerable to calamitous decline.
Roberts "problem"
is that he has far less margin to decline than Ichiro or Dunn. In his "prime" which was lasted all of 2 years, he was an average or thereabouts corner OF. That's true also of say a player like, Emil Brown, say. Brown too had a "prime" that lasted 2 years, in which he was average, maybe above average if you accept that his D is good. A slight erosion in skills and he's crap.
Roberts problem isn't so much his skillset; it's simply that he has never been all that good a player.
Take away Dunn's power, and yes he's still useful. But he becomes what? Scott Hatteberg?
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
I'm sorry that he's injured, but I'm sorry that he won't be playing.
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
The but seems out of place in that sentence, should be and with the way it is written.
by paboperfecto on Apr 10, 2008 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe you are missing a..
not in there.
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Aaron "Swag" Rowand
by victor frankenstein on Apr 10, 2008 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Which is good
Because the younger ones aren't typically very good at the pull-out method.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
by howtheyscored on Apr 10, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
So I'm thinking then..
If Roberts will be out for a good portion of the year the Giants will play Fred Lewis in left to see how he'll actually fare. If he does well, we could very easily see a Winn trade I believe. If he does poorly, I see Schierholtz being called up to play everyday.
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i'll take either or
i would have preferred seeing roberts get off to a hot start for a month and then somehow spun for a denker-type. but, by mid-season, winn must be gone, and schierholtz must be playing every day. i hope sabes doesn't see roberts going down as reason to keep winn around. he seems to think like that.
Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.
"Roberts will be out for a good part of the season"
He should return just in time for one of the many bad parts.
Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.
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