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So...does anyone else think it would be dicksneeze move if the management decided they would just go and take down everything that could possibly remind us of Barry now that he's gone?  I hope so, because that's what they did.  Everything; the 756 banners, the Road to History left field padding, the rubber-chicken wire, the homerun counter.  And of course, to top it off, they put in a fruity little plaque where Bonds hit his last homer with us.  This is Peter Magowan being "respectful."  Seriously.  Come on.

We're talking about the man that has been the base of our team for the last 15 years.  He did a number of amazing things for SF.  He helped to keep the team here when management was considering moving us to freakin Florida, of all places.  Attendance was so bad they thought they'd do better in Florida.  He helped build what I like to think is the nicest stadium in all of baseball.  Fuck Wrigley.  He won 5 MVP awards.  He took us to several post season trips.  He got us to the World Series one of those times.  He broke the all-time homerun record with us, and kept himself out of the lineup several times so he could do it infront of us.  He put tens of millions of asses in seats for the past decade and a half.  He put millions of asses in seats last year alone, even in cities other than SF.  He was, and if he gets signed by another team will still be, one of the greatest players to ever play the game.  He ranks with, and even above, some of the all-time legends of this organization; Mays, McCovey, Marichal, Hubbel, Ott, Mathewson, etc.

Thank you, Barry.  You've accomplished so much and helped us in too many ways to count.  We can never hope to repay you for the things you've done for this city.  Now go fuck yourself.  You're not playing for us now.  Apparently this is what Magowan thinks us fans would like to hear from the management.  Now that Barry's gone, the organization is trying to jump back on the "clean baseball" side.  They want to side with all the other teams that hate him because he's the posterchild of the Steroid Era.  Even if they were standing up for him all these years. 

I think it's bullshit that they're doing this.  All those fans, me included, didn't stand up through every Bonds at-bat just because he was on the Giants.  They did it because they loved him as a player and appreciated what he did for the team.  We already do remember him as one of the Giants' greats and include him with the likes of Mays and McCovey.  It makes no sense that they'd just take everything down and pretend he was never here.  It's even more snide that you'd pretend to not be an asshole by tossing in a retarted little plaque that nobody can see that kind of mentions in passing that he was here at one point.  If anything they should already be unveiling a bronze statue of him outside the stadium, maybe on the other side of the park from the Mays statue.  I think Mister Magowan needs a lesson in learning to be thankful. So, anyone else pissed about this?

note: I know there was a diary already posted about this from Only Baseball Matters, but I wrote this like 9 hours ago when it wasn't up yet.  But I turned off my popup blocker and pressed preview and it erased what I wrote.  And then I rewrote it again a couple hours ago, and my computer saw it fit to turn itself off.

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You know, the more I think about this, the worse I feel. I'm honestly, literally crushed here. I can't articulate it quite as much as the rage and disappointment I feel. That tells me I'm really crushed because I just don't want to fight about it.

I swear to all of you management will not make me hate my team. But I loathe management so much for this bullshit display, and I hate them for making me feel this way.

Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 27, 2008 8:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My suggestion to fans is that everytime he goes down to take his "seat amongst the people" (which I predict will now be relocated to one of the luxury suites now that he cannot bask in the reflected glory of Barry's homeruns) fans should just stand up and give him the finger and call him a liar, an ingrate, and a coward

by E Ticket on Mar 27, 2008 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's really not aiding in my recovery. That's all I have to say.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Mar 27, 2008 9:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

this

is just another senseless slap in the face to fans. Sabean and company are a collective bull in a china shop. They really can't be this clueless.

I sure wish that Ort Cloud would form a solid sphere to enter into this team's orbit.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Mar 27, 2008 9:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

When the Giants are stinking it up long about July, it won't look as terrible. The Dissin' would have been leaving the chicken wire up, with no chickens on it, or the banners. If you're starving, do you get more or less hungry standing outside the ChicNCoop? I think Mr. Bonds would have been embarrassed watching opposing homers repeatedly pierce holes in the banners on the light standards.

Scrubbing every scrap of evidence that he existed is overly harsh- for example the career homer counter could easily have been changed to list Bonds, Mays, Robinson, McCovey, Kingman, Darrel Evans, Cepeda. Same for the mural on the OF wall. They could have done more selling of "Giants History" which is going to be the only story for a couple of years anyway.

by natteringnabob on Mar 27, 2008 10:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hear Your anger, but...

Seriously, what is management supposed to do? The team is going to suck. They're carrying some bad contracts. They have been too closely related to the whole media-knee-jerk-overreaction to the supposed steroids scandal. And to top it off, they are going into this season without the core of their team the past 15 years, the most feared hitter of all-time and the biggest 800 pound gorilla that has ever been in the room.

Barry is a poison right now and this is a team trying to convince fans to pay good flippin' money to see a team that will suck and will be boring to boot (pitching is great, but the casual fan loves the long ball). This is a team that needs to break from the past when making the sales pitch.

It would be nice for them to make a few mentions. A couple of "Thank You Barrys" would even be appreciated. But it would not be in their interest to celebrate Barry too much. Too many fans are angered. Too much bad publicity follows him. His immediate future is too uncertain. It's not as if they are going to pull up the plaques on the Cove walkway. Barry will be celebrated. They will put up the statue. Right now, this team is hurting and the business sense says, "Avoid further damage to the image of the franchise."

As far as who saved the franchise and who built the park. Well, Magowan and friends did BOTH and soo much more. Anger if You will at Peter and Larry, but these are the people who kept the team we love from moving to Blunderdome. They signed Bonds and allowed him to do WHATEVER he wanted. They gave him an atmosphere that was ridiculed by the media and many others. Then this same ownership group built one of the best fucking ballparks in the MLB and filled it. Magowan can play some crappy games when it comes to player and manager relations, but he and his group have developed the most successful era of SF Giants baseball ever.

I have considered it a great privilege to watch Barry over the years. I take the all the steroids BS with a grain of salt. I think the man should be revered as one of the five greatest players to have ever played the best game on earth. But to say or even imply that Bonds lifted this franchise on his back and single-handedly lifted them to the top is plain wrong.

Be mad if You must. But at least understand what obstacles are faced when selling the 2008 Giants. How would You sell the team?

-- Born Yesterday

by thatdog on Mar 27, 2008 10:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Right next to the St. Patrick's crap.

I'll feel a whole lot better when they build that statue.

Aaron "Swag" Rowand

by victor frankenstein on Mar 27, 2008 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You make a good point

But I'm saying it's not fair of them to tear EVERYTHING down like they are. They could've at least left the homerun counter, and even changed the numbers if he gets signed again and hits anymore homers. And I'm not saying he single-handedly lifted the team. But had he never become a Giant we would either be fans of the Oakland A's or the Bumblefuck Giants. They brought him here and essentially made a team out of him. You can't build a team around just anyone. Not even Vlad Guerrero or Albert Pujols could reinforce a lineup quite like Bonds in his prime did. And he DID fill seats. People came to games to root for Barry. To stand up every time he came to bat and to boo incesantly every time they gave him a walk. The least they could've done is at least acknowledge that though he's not a giant anymore, the city still loves him and appreciates what he did for us. I'm saying that tearing everything down to the point where the whole stadium is spotless of anything Barry is a huge 'fuck you' to a guy that really means a lot to us and doesn't deserve that.

by boonitez on Mar 27, 2008 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and to answer your question at the end..

"YOUR San Francisco Giants! C'mon....Not ALL stadiums serve breadbowl chowder..."

by boonitez on Mar 27, 2008 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barry has been poison

to much of the media for many years. Is he "poison" to the fans? Do YOU, as a fan, regard Barry Lamar Bonds as poison?

Trying to break from Barry is pointless. Anyone, who has paid ANY attention to the Giants in the past 15 years, is going to remeber that Bonds was with the Giants, and that Bonds is no longer with the Giants now. No amount of attempting to erase his presence is going to change that.

"Too many fans are angered. Too much bad publicity follows him. His immediate future is too uncertain. It's not as if they are going to pull up the plaques on the Cove walkway. Barry will be celebrated. They will put up the statue. Right now, this team is hurting and the business sense says, "Avoid further damage to the image of the franchise."

Too many fans are angered? By Barry Lamar Bonds? Seriously? If Bonds showed up in the Phone Booth on opening day in the stands, are the fans going to boo him? Or is it the media who are going to throw tantrums?

"They signed Bonds and allowed him to do WHATEVER he wanted. They gave him an atmosphere that was ridiculed by the media and many others"

And in return, Bonds gave the Giants, what? Runs, wins, ticket sales, merchandise sales all far in excess of his salary.

Barry will be celebrated. They will put up the statue. Right now, this team is hurting and the business sense says, "Avoid further damage to the image of the franchise."

Do the money spending FANS regard Barry Lamar Bonds as damaging to the image of the franchise? The media does not buy tickets, mechandise, watch TV.

What is management supposed to do? Market Cain and Lincecum. Market them as the heirs to Bonds. But then, Sabean wanted to trade Lincecum for Alex Rios.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Mar 28, 2008 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not Poison to Me...

I suppose the brass could stand up and say, "Hey, he wasn't the only one. There were others and they played on many teams. We stand by him and defend him and we do not think that Barry Bonds should be vilified to greater extent than any other player during this era." Hell, that kind of truth speaking would be refreshing. I would howl at the excitement and the courage it would take to do that. But that is not reality. The reality is 3 million tickets must be sold. The reality is for every reminder of Barry that is left to see the light of day, the Giants will be heckled for it. And for every reminder they take down, they will be damned.

There are angered fans. They may not be in the majority, but there are plenty who would cheer anything Bruce Jenkins has to say about Bonds. There are others who are just not sure, maybe a little embarrassed. And there is damage to avoid. Anytime Bonds and steroids, Bonds and perjury, Bonds and whatever else the media is slinging is mentioned, the Giants are always linked.

Is it fair? Hell no! It's never fair. But there is still the question of those 3 million tickets and the concessions and the parking and the merchandise and on and on and on.

-- Born Yesterday

by thatdog on Mar 28, 2008 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, obviously 3 million tickets

must be sold. But sold to WHOM? Dodgers fans will heckle the Giants for Bonds. Some A's fans will heckle the Giants for Bonds. Some fans of other teams will heckle the Giants for Bonds. Who the FARK cares what fans of other teams think about the Giants. What fans of other teams think about the Giants is COMPLETELY and UTTERLY meaningless. They are NOT the ones buying tickets and merchandise. They DO NOT matter.

"There are angered fans. They may not be in the majority, but there are plenty who would cheer anything Bruce Jenkins has to say about Bonds. There are others who are just not sure, maybe a little embarrassed. And there is damage to avoid. Anytime Bonds and steroids, Bonds and perjury, Bonds and whatever else the media is slinging is mentioned, the Giants are always linked."

So, you are more concerned about not pissing off the minority of fans? What about the majority of fans who do not consider Bonds poison. They buy tickets too. They buy merchandise too.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Mar 28, 2008 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bullshit.

"As far as who saved the franchise and who built the park. Well, Magowan and friends did BOTH and soo much more. Anger if You will at Peter and Larry, but these are the people who kept the team we love from moving to Blunderdome."

I am so f****ing tired of hearing this crap, that has been embraced by many a Giant fan. I don't blame thatdog or any Giants fan, but the Magowan/Baer ("WE will throw out the first pitch on opening day of the new ball park, instead of Mays/McCovey/ Marichal") spin machine. Peep this:

From Boston Globe, July 11, 2007

Red Sox chairman Tom Werner passed along this little-known nugget regarding the part he played in
saving baseball for San Francisco, which 15 years ago was in danger of losing the Giants to Tampa-St.
Petersburg. "At some point around 1992, the owner of the Giants got frustrated with his inability to get a
referendum in San Francisco to build a new stadium instead of playing at Candlestick," Werner wrote in an e-mail. "I think the referendum had lost a couple of times. So Bob Lurie, the owner, decides to sell the
team to a consortium in Tampa, and he made the deal.
There was a lot of love in baseball for Lurie and sympathy for an owner to move if his options had failed [remember in those days the Commissioner, Fay Vincent, wasn't strong]. But the sale depended on the
vote of the National League owners, most of whom were fine about the move. "Not me, though. I thought there was a need to keep the team in San Francisco and as a West Coast owner [Padres], I didn't want one less team on the West Coast for both travel and rivalry purposes. I single-handedly organized the opposition.
Lurie was furious at me as the ringleader and screamed at me in a National League meeting. But I prevailed after some backroom cajoling over weeks, and kept the Dodgers in line. [Peter ] O'Malley was on my side, but it wasn't easy because . . . he hated conflict. In the end, I was instrumental in killing the deal and Lurie, in frustration, sold to a group that promised to keep the team in San Francisco." -- Boston Globe

From Ray Ratto, Thu 4/13/2000:
"if i see one more reference to how magowan saved the team from going to tampa, i am going to seek out the person who said it and club him to death. these are the true, uncontroverted, indisputable facts:
selig and reinsdorf aligned the others owners to vote against the move WELL BEFORE the magowan group was assembled (with reisndorf's considerable help and urging, i might add), for misguided reasons having to do with the upcoming lockout of 20 months later. thus, the only thing that happened was that lurie was forced to keep the team in san francisco, and sold to magowan's group (and had to front the magowan group $10 million just so magowan could get approved) not to prevent the team moving but to get out from keeping the team in san francisco himself. magowan didn't save the giants from going anywhere, he put in 10 percent to become managing general partner of a team that wasn't leaving. to claim his role was more important than this is to either decive or be deceived, but it is utterly and completely wrong."

WAKE UP, people. The same lying sacks of shit who are dissing Bonds, telling us that the team is getting younger and faster and will win with pitching, defense and speed are the same f****s who have been telling us that they "saved baseball in San Francisco" for the last 8 years.

by Cleophus on Mar 29, 2008 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The one thing Ratto has published that I agree with with little reservation.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Mar 29, 2008 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Mays statue, McCovey Cove, Cepeda's cha-cha bowls...

Nothing for Barry, huh? Oh, wait, a plaque. Wonderful.

The guy who was the face of the franchise for more than a decade and who owns the all-time home-run record doesn't have anything to commemorate him at the ballpark that he is said to have built?

Bush league. Undeniably bush league.

Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.

by thehavenot on Mar 27, 2008 10:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well you have to admit...

It will be extremely embarrassing to have to look at the chicken(s) on the brick after the season we will have. Also the banners on the scoreboard never last anyway, and same with the spot in left field. Plus I sit in Section 103 (by the brick) and am planning to hang up some Ks.

But it would have been nice to leave the Bonds HR counter in center, although I'm not surprised because it is awkward to have that while he is still unsigned and the Giants still need any sort of power. Plus he still has about every single plaque on the portwalk by the Cove. I'll reserve judgement until it's clear they won't make the statue or put up his 25 on the second deck.

Where is this plaque with on Bond's last homer?

by Revolution1 on Mar 28, 2008 12:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No Big Deal

They need to move on from the Bonds' years and the media circus. I agree that they should have left up the Bonds HR tracker, but I have no problem with them removing everything else. The team is going to stink all year, so why leave up all signs that remind fans of better times?? So they can chant " we want Barry" everytime the Giants are losing??

Randy Messenger: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!!"

by rxmeister on Mar 28, 2008 5:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm chanting it now!

It's also part of my nutritious breakfast!

Aaron "Swag" Rowand

by victor frankenstein on Mar 28, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not so much that they've removed everything, but there's something rather personal and vindictive in Magowan's words that I find galling. I think I might be overreacting, but I'm still annoyed. This gives me the impression that unlike Mays and McCovey, Bonds won't be a welcome figure at the ballpark after his career is over.

by Skaldheim on Mar 28, 2008 7:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You know what I think bothers Magowan more than anything?? That he looked the other way while he knew that Bonds was doing all these things. Let's face it, the right and honorable way to deal with the steroid problem if you're an owner is to get rid of players that are doing it, but few are willing to do it when your roided up players are making you money and winning you games. Everytime Magowan hears about Barry Bonds, it reminds him that he was a willing accomplice in what Barry did. Now Magowan will purge the Giants of this "cancer" and do the right thing no matter what. However it's very easy to do after the fact when the player is no longer there. Magowan gets no points for that.

Randy Messenger: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!!"

by rxmeister on Mar 28, 2008 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Magowan might have many strengths, but opening his mouth to speak is not one of them. He did a poor job of handling the "firing" of Bonds last season, and completely removing any traces of #25 that weren't nailed down to a wall or embedded in the arcade along the cove isn't going to endear him to fans.

It's fine to try to focus on promoting the players who are still with the team, and talking about the present and the future, but for chrissakes, it's the 50th anniversary of the team being in SF. This is going to be a year of celebrating the past, and honoring the players who played here over the last half-century. Ironically, honoring the team's past is one of the things Baer and Co. have always done very well, and very respectfully. So Barry should be welcome back to the ballpark, and invited to join the 50th anniversary celebrations, whenever he wants to show up. It's the right thing to do.

Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.

by Kitspool on Mar 28, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

It's called "being the bigger man." (I don't mean muscle size.) Magowan forgets that from time to time.

Invite Barry to all the celebrations. Extend him every courtesy. You don't have to offer him a contract. Let Barry be the one to turn the Giants down. Don't make yourself look small with this kind of talk, this year.

by Skaldheim on Mar 28, 2008 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhh, you're missing somthing though....

Bonds and Magowan...no matter what we surmise...both have ego's that dwarf this conversation and quite literally that of China Basin itself. These two got along for each other's mutual benefits, i.e. pocketbooks and wins to the point that they literally became thermite when in the same room with each other. Bonds was the godsend for Magowan and Magowan turned his franchise cornerstone into a new address and a short renaissance. So they finally have to seperate and the divorce is downright messy, with us as the fans being the kids in this. So Mommy Peter goes and tears down all the reminders of Daddy Barry, but she knows she'll have to acknowledge him in front of us, so we don't take Daddy's side outright. So Mommy has her new "boy toys" in the minors and hopefully the wait will be short, as Mommy Peter always has her credit card ready to spend in November/December.

it's always noonan somewhere

by sectionop92 on Mar 28, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

they really should leave up the all time HR counter or replace it with something more permanent (since he's clearly not hitting any more HR this season). Bonds was the face of the franchise for many many years and he deserves his recognition. In Seattle, they named a street outside the ballpark Edgar Martinez Dr or something, the least they could do here is leave up Bonds' HR total.

2002? I'm over it. But I'll never be over Rich Aurilia.

by wjackalope on Mar 28, 2008 8:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That would be the bare minimum, I think. If Bonds doesn't have his number retired, and a statue erected on the portwalk, by 2014, then you know there's some deep animosity on Magowan's part.

by Skaldheim on Mar 28, 2008 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BLB

Sure, Barry hit a cove-load of homers over the years. Sure, the Giants are my favorite team. Sure, he was the face of the franchise. Sure, Lamar took more heat than he should have, given the numbers of players who had, and are, using. But as much as I'm a fan of our orange-and-black, I cherish more dearly the integrity of our national pastime. Bonds knowingly screwed with the integrity of the game, and if the price he pays is only that his likeness is removed from the LF wall, then he should consider himself lucky.

Paint it any way you like, McCoven, but McGowan isn't the one tarnishing our game.

by biff pocoroba on Mar 28, 2008 9:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hank Aaron

Cheater, tarnisher of our game.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Mar 28, 2008 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ehhh...

I don't think Bonds was tarnishing our game, though, at least no more than anybody else with a bucket of tarnish over the last 40-100 years. The game already had a thick layer of tarnish, but few people actually saw it.

It's like that silver tea set you've had for years. You look at it every day and think "What a beautiful silver tea set." Then one day somebody walks over to it in front of you, picks it up, and starts handling it. I mean, they're not the first person to handle it. They're probably not the hundredth person to handle it. Things get handled when you don't put them in that glass case you never bought. But this is the first guy you've noticed touching it, so when he leaves you walk over there and look and OMG fingerprints. Nevermind that there are hundreds of fingerprints on there from years of years of handling you've never witnessed, you believe that "this guy" got your silver dirty. So you get around to polishing it and within a few wipes it becomes clear that this thing has been thick with tarnish for years, that you haven't seen it's real silver color in years. You've been looking at some tarnishy pewter color thinking it was silver. But even though this would be obvious to anybody else, you only think "God damn 'this guy' for totally dirtying my beautiful silver!" because it's inconceivable to you that your silver could have been tarnished before now without you noticing.

End of analogy. You =/= You Specific, btw. Speaking of You General.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Mar 28, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um...

...fuck the integrity of the game.
It's just that...a game.
This isn't FEMA letting New Orleans drown , Wal - Mart suing the helpless , or waterboarding.

Come off your fucking high horses.

(Whoops , there I go again...)

Aaron "Swag" Rowand

by victor frankenstein on Mar 28, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FEMA didn't let down NOLA anymore than it's incompetent mayor and govenor.

by wilriv21 on Mar 28, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree this is B.S.

I agree 100%. Basically their shiting on all of us that love this team so much. For me I grew up with Barry. He was with us for 15 years and that is just a little more then half my life(guess my age?). I remember getting yelled at by my high school baseball coach because I would mess around and catch a pop fly with just my glove(not using my other hand to back it up) , but hey Barry did it he looked cool so I thought I woudl too. I idolized they guy.

Im too young to have ever seen Willie Mays, or McCovey but Bonds was my generations Mays. And we love him for everything he did for this franchise.

Screw you Magowan, Barry deserves a statue too, and we better see that #25 retired hanging up their with teh other numbers too.

Your 2010 NL rookie of the year,... Andy D'alessio

by ramirez415 on Mar 28, 2008 10:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe way out there, but...

Does anybody else wonder how Willy Mays feels about all this? Almost seems to me that he's been as much of a marketing tool as anybody has been regarding making money off of Bonds, and I can't help but feel that the org is lightly slapping him in the face as well.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Mar 28, 2008 11:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jeez , think of Bobby.

Rolling in his grave over his son's misdeeds snaps in half when he reverses at the Giants' family slight...

Aaron "Swag" Rowand

by victor frankenstein on Mar 28, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

While Bonds' current career is still in question, I think it'd be entirely inappropriate to have Bonds featured all over the park. After all, he might be playing for another team. Once he officially retires (or gets out of jail), that would be the time to retire his number and build a statue.

People have likened this to Mays and McCovey, but weren't their jerseys retired after their careers were over? I don't think the team was celebrating Mays when he was a Met or McCovey when he was a Padre.

The team has to let him go if they want to honor him with a grand "return" for "Barry Bonds Day" at some point in the future. That'll also give time for the bitterness to fade on both sides.

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Mar 28, 2008 11:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it's the coldness of the gesture more than the gesture itself that makes us uncomfortable. I do believe that it doesn't make sense for the team to keep these images around, because they were a part of an event (the HR chase/swan song of 06/07) that's no longer present. But I think the continued mishandling of how these actions are presented to the public is what's getting to us. Everything about Bonds's initial dismissal was cold and mishandled. The offseason treatment of the subject of Bonds has gone deep even into the new marketing campaign, belittling him and what he did as much as possible without saying it directly. Then, this action was again handled coldly and portrayed to the public as an anti-Barry move rather than just a move that makes sense.

It's not that they're not right to take the images down. It's that they're doing everything that has to do with Bonds in a really venemous way.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Mar 28, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say the team is screwed either way. They leave all that crap up and people will say "Look, they have nothing to sell this year so they're still pimpiing Bonds."

After all the grief management took in the Mitchell report, I don't blame them for want to distance themselves from Capt. Surly...who, by-the-way, wasn't exactly a "model employee" in his final year (skipping the last few games and all-star events).

I don't know that I agree that the current ad campaign is a direct slap at Bonds more than it's a "there's life after Bonds" theme. The team's most beloved current figures are arguably Kruk and Kuip, so they've taken one of Kruk's terms and run with it since it's fitting for a club short on talent but potentially long on "good guys". If fans buy into the players' personalities, they're likely to be a little more patient while they try to improve. (Aurilia getting booed last night might prove that theory wrong.)

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Mar 28, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

After all the grief management took in the Mitchell report, I don't blame them for want to distance themselves from Capt. Surly...who, by-the-way, wasn't exactly a "model employee" in his final year (skipping the last few games and all-star events).

This is kind of what I was trying to say above - but maybe not as eloquently as You have. I think that completely erasing his image from the park is overdoing it a bit, but not enough to be outraged.

I do get the impression that a lot of the rage here is simply stoked by the anger created by how bad this team is. If the team was a serious contender would this issue be as big?

-- Born Yesterday

by thatdog on Mar 28, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't think of yourself as less eloquent than me, think of me as less uneloquent than you. :-)

I think you're right about the pent up anger. Right now, people are looking for every chance they can to rip management.

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Mar 28, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes we are,

but this isn't really a rip at the management just because we hate the people in it and we're pissed about the situation of the team. At least for me. Some of us feel like it was disrespectful of them to do that. A lot of us still feel a sort of sentimental attachment to Barry and we'd like our park and the people in charge of the team to reflect that. Him leaving was already sad enough, but now it looks kinda like they're saying 'don't let the door hit ya on the way out.' And it would've been a nice tribute to him and everything he did for us if they left it up. And they also could've made a bunch of nice publicity with the Bay Area and made it look like they're caring, sensitive people.

by boonitez on Mar 28, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's not get carried away. They gave him is big tribute after he hit #756. They gave him another big tribute down in Embarcadero Plaza. As I said before, he could still sign with another team. Tributes to a player playing for another team is almost as lame as building a memorial for a president who's still alive.

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Mar 28, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure all signs of Barry are gone, but...

why is nobody talking about the way Rusty was treated?! The final straw came this offseason when his wee right field shack (think Groundskeeper Willie) was demolished!

I wonder if they will sell Rusty on eBay?

And to keep this on topic, my guess is the ownership group doesnt really know the best way to commemorate Barry's contribution at this time. I know I dont. Considering--as others have mentioned--that Barry's still not even retired, or could end up a jailed felon, I think it's too early. But in time, I think the ownership group will find a way to do something appropriate.

by bgunn on Mar 28, 2008 3:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

the park itself

the ball park IS the tribute to Bonds. it's his legacy, not the homerun record. it's his monument. the only thing that should matter when it comes to its contents is what happens on the field. any monuments of 756 and such would be as distracting as the Coke bottle. and while i don't know what Bonds thinks of it, given his style, i am inclined to believe this is the way he wants it.

by StickRat on Mar 28, 2008 5:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

At first, I thought the reason I don't feel bad at all is because I'm sarcastic by nature (nurtured by years of political correctness BS living in the Bay Area). Then, after thinking about it for ten seconds or so, I realized the following:

1) Bonds was a great player. He was great for the organization and we most likely won't see someone like him for quite a while (apologies to #13 in the Bronx. You'll have your time in a few years). Bonds was, and remains, an enigma: he could be charming, and he could be a serious a-hole. He could have played the smile-for-the-cameras, shake hands with everyone, political game that everyone else plays. But he didn't. He chose to be the way he was and made no apologies for it. So, like I tell my kids, if you want to live a certain way, be prepared for whatever consequences arise from that. So I don't feel bad for him. He led himself to where he is.

He's gone. Thanks, Barry. Clean your stuff out and good luck to you. Done.

2) Peter Magowan deserves a TON of thanks for keeping this team here and steering the team to where it is now, which is to say, not in Tampa. We have a beautiful stadium and a passionate group of fans. However, it's clear that he knew what was going on (you don't get to the top of any organization, Safeway, the Giants, whatever, by being naive) and turned his head away from it because it brought great things. But it's time to pay for all we had, and now we are going to pay. So he shouldn't complain and Barry shouldn't complain.

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by Van Smack on Mar 28, 2008 5:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry. Didn't mean to obfuscate the lies by offering the truth in response. My bad.

by Cleophus on Mar 29, 2008 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You take my sentence wrongly

I was saying that somebody like you would RIGHTLY come in and set the facts straight on Magowan. I wasn't saying it like it was going to be a bad thing. I'm as tired as you are of hearing about how he saved the franchise when he so clearly did no such thing. I just didn't want to deal with it in depth myself at the time was all.

I can see how my tone was ambiguous, though. I'll try to be more direct in the future.

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by howtheyscored on Mar 29, 2008 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Howie!

I got all defensive and s**t. No offense intended!!!
Peace,
--Rev. Cleophus James

by Cleophus on Mar 29, 2008 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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