Inappropriate Pun
The announcement that Brian Bocock will be the Opening Day starter isn't really a surprise. The Giants have been hinting as much since Vizquel went down to pulled age. Bocock is a fantastic defender by all accounts, and it's nice to have one o' them at the shorstop position. But, really, he is not a major league player right now. He might be a nice player eventually, but he hit .220 in A-ball. Not AAA, not AA, but A-ball. He struck out more than 25% of the time in A-ball.
Big deal, right? Vizquel should be back just a couple of weeks into the season, and...*sproing*...huh, that's weird. Vizquel just sprained every old in his body, so he's out for the season. Well, not really, but he could. And that would lead to Mocock. So much Mocock. Ivan DeJesus hit .194/.276/.273 for the Cubs in 1981; I think Bocock would be right around that level for 400 plate appearances. In 2012? Maybe Bocock has a good DeJesus season (1978: .278/.356/.354 with 41 steals) with much better defense.
I wouldn't count on it. Like, at all. But it could happen, and I'm pulling for the guy. His dive in Sunday's game against the Angels was one of the silliest and greatest contortions I've ever seen on a baseball field. It's impossible to describe if you haven't seen it, but it made me root for the guy instantly. His head was two inches from the ground, his arm was behind his ankle, he threw the ball with the tongue of his cleat, and...forget it. Impossible to describe. So I'm pulling for the guy. Gocock?
It's the idea that the line of succession after a 40-year-old shortstop is a struggling A-baller that bothers me. Brian Sabean says "you can't worry about the (service time) clock". I agree with that when it comes to a talent like Lincecum -- if he's ready, there's no sense in playing games. But Bocock isn't ready. He isn't even close. Now he'll be on the 40-man roster two years before he had to be. If there's a future roster crunch, he might be exposed to waivers if he's removed from the 40-man roster. If he does turn out to be a glove-whiz with an acceptable bat, he'll start to get expensive right away.
Again, it's probably a moot point all around. Vizquel will probably stay healthy. Bocock, good glove and all, would have always had a tough climb to the big leagues if he made the climb at all. But the worst decision of the offseason -- aside from the wisdom of throwing $60M at a center fielder they didn't need -- was to assume that Vizquel didn't need a proper backup. No one who had seen Frandsen at short was enthused with his capability to stay at the position. Vizquel is much older than almost any starting shortstop in history. A + B = Hmm, maybe I should make a minor deal for a youngish backup shortstop. When Vizquel comes back, I'm assuming that Bocock goes back down. Then what? Ivan Ochoa? Okay, so he's the backup shortstop then...but not good enough to fill in for a week or two while Vizquel mends? Well, gawrsh, maybe you need a bigger boat better backup shortstop, then.
I just can't wrap my head around this sequence of events. The good news is that it really isn't a big deal in the short- or long-term. I just like to complain. I'm going to have a fantastic next couple of seasons.
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FWIW, Brian Bocock rates very highly in one metric commonly overlooked: veteran savvy.
His glove is amazing. But MLB-ready, he is not.
Brian Anderson: I can has spot in Fresno 'pen?
Veteran Savvy?
If he's not major league ready (which, I think is obvious to all) then how does he have any veteran savvy?
Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.
He stole it
With his fingers.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
by howtheyscored on Mar 20, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
You're right
Bocock's glove is amazing. Not because of the size, but because of what he does with it.
2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!
Without a glove Bocock doesn't even get in game.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
What About Velez?
I admit, I've only been paying partial attention to the Giants this ST, but hasn't Velez started a few games at short? So maybe his defense isn't as good as Bocock's, but he can hit better, play other positions besides short, which means Frandsen can focus on playing 2b or 3b. Seriously, weren't there a number of other viable options that didn't involve a guy who wasn't played above Single A?
And thus ends a Brian Bocock post without a single pun. Apologies.
Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.
What happened to De La Rosa?
It's really unfathomable to me that the Giants are really opening the season with
a) no ML 3B.
b) no ML 1B.
c) no back up SS for a 41-y-o. starter who hit .245/.305/.315 last year.
Their infield literally consists of:
1) 1 injured 41-y-o HOFer
2) 1 36 y-o 2B with poor defense who posted a 65 OPS+ last year
3) 2 scrubby back ups who can't play short (Aurillia, Frandsen)
4) A converted OF who hit .262/.342/.433 in a AAA league that hit .279/.346/.437 AS A WHOLE at age 26 (that includes all the Cs, SSs...etc.) to play 1B
That could be the worst infield in 40 years!
I mean, what are the 10 worse infields of all time?
Worst (hitting) IFs since 1957
Here's the bottom 10 (bottom 23 goes down to a 6 way tie with 78)
These are ranked by sOBS+, which is the OPS+ relative to other infields of that year/league. By comparsion the 2007 Giants clocked in at 81, the 1985 Giants at 80, and the 1981 Cubs at 83.
1995 STL 66
1982 OAK 71
2003 DET 71
1999 ANA 74
1977 OAK 75
2002 DET 75 (two years in a row this low)
1972 TEX 76
1979 SDP 76
1981 TOR 76
1989 ATL 76
Much thanks to Chris Jaffe at Hardball times who mentioned the 1981 Cubs in this article:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/best-and-worst-mlb-splits-1957-2006/
And looked these up in his database for me.
I think 66 is probably out of reach, even for this putrid squad. Low 70s seems quite doable if Ray-Ray continues where he left off in 07, and Velez/Frandsen/Ortmeier all flop.
But the nice thing is that
Aurilia + Durham + Ort + Velez + Frandsen + 41-y-o injured Vizquel also equal the worst fielding IF in the MLB. When was the last time a team had both the worst hitting and the worst fielding IF?
You deserve to be struck out, when your first name's a verb.
Man if the INF can not threaten to hit their way out of wet paper bag then at least get gloves that treat ground balls like an industrial wet/dry shop vac. I will be very curious to see if the Giants pitchers become more fly ball pitchers with what currently seems to be the Giants INF arrangement the next 2-3 months.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain.
I wonder what the worst infield in history
In terms of combined offensive and defensive contribution was...
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I remember some incredibly non productive Padre INF’s in the 70’s. They had a couple seasons with Smith’s glove being well above average. I think they had Gene Tennis’s above average bat for a few seasons at Catcher as well but over all looking at lot of playing time for Mike Champion , Fernando Gonzalez & Kurt Bevacqua types. Definitely would be surprised if those squads were not in the running with the ‘02 & '03 Tigers.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain.
It's depressing because it's true
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Mar 20, 2008 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing the Giants are doing
Makes a lot of sense... Why couldn't Durham, Roberts, Or anyverterannotnamedomar have gotten hurt? We have young questionable(but possible) talent players lined up at all of those positions, except short. Oh yeah, and 1b, and 3b.
but still... I just hate the giants right now I guess.
by FairweatherFan on Mar 20, 2008 12:14 PM PDT reply actions
What..
No Penis Jokes?
I'm saddened.
And as a second part, can anyone actually tell what my avatar is or is it too small to recognize him?
Coming to you from the Land of Many Beers
Obviously you missed the inappropriate pun. In your defense, it was pretty subtle.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
by howtheyscored on Mar 20, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Basil Fawlty!
But I had to click through to your profie page to tell for sure.
2008: My previous assessment may have been overly optimistic.
by EliminateMe on Mar 20, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
Ivan is Spanish for "oversized." DeJesus is less clear as there is no exact English translation from the original Spanish, but it roughly translates to something along the lines of "boning pole."
So yeah, pretty much.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!
by howtheyscored on Mar 20, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, here's one.
Let's say the Giants acquire Juan Uribe and start him over Bocock. You could call that a Bocock block!
(Oh, uh, hi. Just a Cubs fan lurking on your blog. I'll be on my way now...)
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.
Now come on....
...does Sabean really seem like one to pull out of this?
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by BruteSentiment on Mar 21, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Ask yourselves: As Giant fans...
...are you being served?
Aaron "Swag" Rowand
by victor frankenstein on Mar 20, 2008 12:51 PM PDT reply actions
Yes.... with a subpeona.
Anyone else think the Justice League of National is more strategic & interesting than the Justice League of America?
by Mayor of 311 on Mar 20, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
According to Goofus
We are being served a " Steaming Pile of Scrap ".
My adopted son Matt Downs. Bococks up, why not Downs ? Bocock Jokes in the sig line :-)
Maybe we could pull a trick out of Tony Larussa's bag and have the pitcher hit eighth and BoCock hit last. I bet you anything that everybody except for Zito and Lincecum could outhit this guy. I don't even think it would have been questionable if Lowry was healthy starting the season.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Mar 20, 2008 1:31 PM PDT reply actions
Roger Metzger
Cut off parts of several fingers in an offseason accident and still played some short for our beloved Giants, albeit poorly. Clearly this is an organization that doesn't really care about the product on the field and hasn't for a really long time
Couldn't disagree more
The Giants' organization isn't the brightest bulb on the mlb's Christmas tree, but I can't agree that they don't care about the product. They just haven't made many good moves at the major-league level or had much luck lately.
Call them dumb, and I might reluctantly agree. But call them indifferent, and we'll have to differ all the way to the inn.
The little things
One of the things that the Bonds-era Giants were notorious for: not doing the "little things." Getting runners in from third with less than two outs, moving runners over, spitting sun flower seeds.
So Sabean determined that since none of those teams won a world series, offense doesn't actually matter that much unless you can do the little things.
Hence, the focus on pitching and defense. He doesn't care that Bocock can't actually hit. As long as he plays great defense and does the little things, that's all he really wants.
Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.
whenever sabean and co have spoken about the little things, it always seems to include something about "hitting runners over." i just don't get the fetish with "little things" and the total disconnect from real baseball. the giants seem to have taken "fundamental baseball" and stripped it of the run scoring part.
Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.
60 million for an outfielder we don't need?
Dude, come on! We didn't pay 60 million for an outfielder we don't need.
We paid 60 million for desperately needed warrior spirit!
Bocock isn't AA-ready. Don't get me started about ML-ready.
And I don't want to hear any of that "they might be grooming Vizquel as a future coach." You don't give CURRENT coaches 5 million a year. You don't raises to 41-y/o shortstops coming off their worse year and not get a backup.
Maybe Bocock figures out the hitting eventually. Vizquel put up a .213/.333/.295 in his second professional (A) season.
If Bocock is so good that we need him to skip 3 levels, after performing terribly at the plate before that, for a week or two of defense, why isn't he good enough to worry about the clock?
Kline and Yabu will be on the opening-day roster. I think this is just preparing the serious fans for such as that.
Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.
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IT'S JUST another example of management having absolutely no plan and even less of a clue.
Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.
It may be "just another" example, but it's the most extreme. When was the last time any organization brought up a player so clearly and profoundly unready for the major leagues? David Clyde, maybe?
Yea, that 1.119 OPS he had in Triple-A in 2005 before his first extended MLB stint really screamed 'clearly and profoundly unready' for the major leagues.
Waaaaay different animal.
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by BruteSentiment on Mar 21, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
It was kind of a joke.
Linden, of course, was clearly and profoundly unready for the majors only in hindsight...
2008: My previous assessment may have been overly optimistic.
David Clyde
David Clyde, at least, was a top prospect. Bocock's just slick. You know, with a glove.
Geez, you guys are a horrible influence on me.
Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.
Value
The Giants paid $126 million for Barry Zito, but decided Rick Porcello wasn't worth $8 million.
Beginning to get an idea why they aren't good?
I thought Sabean was always 7 moves ahead?
guess not.
Bonds stands alone.
by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 20, 2008 10:32 PM PDT reply actions
7 moves ahead
It's true. The problem is, he was playing against himself and he got confused.
Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.
Felipe Lopez?
Is he worth trading anything for? He's blocked by Guzman & Belliard on the Nats, he's young, a good-ish fielder and not a disaster offensively, and he's said that he definitely won't be the back-up.
A) Worth trading for?
B) (If A = yes) Who'd you give up?
Delaying the disappointment: I adopt Hector Sanchez because he's only 17.
Lopez had a defensive melt down last year at SS.
That being said if the Giants used this season to play through some of the their own "might be/ might not be " Second base man candidates and they all flamed I would be interested in him as a patch at second when he is a free agent next winter.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain.
Alternative(s)
Given my perspective sitting here in the Northwest, a realistic alternative seems available. The Mariners are displeased with the ability of Mike Morse to play rightfield, and he's out of options. The soon to be 26 y.o. has a ML lifetime average of .300, a spring average of about .500, and is a natural shortstop who has shown his ability to convert to both 3B and 1B as the Mariners have tried to find a place for him to play (Betancourt being the once and future SS). Surely something can be arranged. If not, why not offer Detroit something real to get Carlos Guillen, whose wasting his skills at 1B there? They could convert Inge across the diamond quickly,.,,Please Mr. Sabean, give us something.

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