Community Projection: Barry Zito
This year's round of community projections will be limited to a few select players. This is because I don't care about Rich Aurilia's projection. You don't care about Rich Aurilia's projection. I checked last year's post, and no one from Aurilia's own family made a prediction, which indicates that Rich Aurilia's family doesn't care about Rich Aurilia's projection. So let's start with....
Barry Zito
Why not just dive into this one while the potential for hilarious predictions is at its highest? Here are Zito's spring stats thus far:
IP: 7.1
ER: 14
K: 0
BB: 6
...which lends itself pretty well to this projection:
IP: 200
ER: 400
K: 0
BB: 180
I can't put my finger on why, but I was optimistic about Zito heading into this season. Maybe his second-half turnaround last season didn't mean anything; maybe it meant a whole bunch. He started striking people out, after all. He didn't strike out hitters at the rate of a vintage Randy Johnson, but he at least struck out hitters at the rate of a present-day Randy Johnson with a catheter still attached after just getting out of back surgery. If that isn't worth $120M, I'm not sure what is. Last year's splits:
Pre-All-Star
IP: 104.2
ERA: 4.90
BB: 52
K: 66
Post-All-Star
IP: 92
ERA: 4.11
BB: 31
K: 65
That post-All-Star performance still includes a few starts of Wretched Zito. Apparently, his strikeout rate didn't jump as high as I remembered; the increased success was due to better control. After the horrific spring start, it might make sense to jump off the Zito bandwagon, do a barrel roll, and just keep running until the gunshots can't be heard anymore. Nuts to that, I say. Second-half Zito shows up for the whole season and pitches well enough to tempt teams into swallowing the rest of his contract. They won't, mind you, but they'll be a little tempted.
Barry Zito
IP: 208
ERA: 3.87
K: 121
BB: 73
HRA*: 15
SB*: 3
Baseball Prospectus projection (subscribers only).
ZiPS projection.
Last year's McCovey Chronicles community projection.
Comment starter: Your Zito projection
* HRA = Home Runs Allowed
* SB = Starlets Bedded
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Re: Community Projection: Barry Zito
Zenbitz's projection, in particular, made me smile. Though he did state that he was going for an under projection.
IP: 227
K: 198
BB: 66
HR: 14
by xanthan on Mar 11, 2008 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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W/L: 6-14.
by zenbitz on Mar 11, 2008 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give me time to perfect it
by Moggeee on Mar 11, 2008 7:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pfft
Predict which starlets he will bed.
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Mar 11, 2008 8:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Rose McGowan, Ali Lohan (yeah I think she's underage), and some chick from Real World/Road Rules Challenge (counts as half because they aren't really starletts or celebrities or whatever)
by WilliamVanLandingham on Mar 11, 2008 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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How does anybody with marginal abilities to begin with, get motivated to bust ass for a team that is going to have to be extremely lucky to win more than 70 games, and then proceed to be effective? Ain't happenin'. Zito has made his gazillions in guaranteed money. He's never put in the kind of effort that true greats do in the offseason...especially when your physique is marginal at best anyway. He's been around MLB long enough for the drudgery to offset the benefits of celebrity. There is nothing in his past to indicate that he will make the adjustments to pitch successfully while being surrounded by a combination of old and young garbage. He is no Matt Cain, nor Tom Gordon when Gordon was a starter for the putrid Royals. The difference is Gordon was hungry, motivated, underpaid, and underrated. Baseball was everything to him. For Zito, baseball is time he has to take off from hanging out at Maverick's and the nightclubs picking up 19 year-olds.
He strikes me as a guy who was never motivated purely by the game itself. His focus has always been inconsistent. Which is consistent with guys who rely on the same physical tools they did pre-MLB days. As if there were two guys doing battle constantly. Surfer Barry vs Pitcher Barry. Enough. Too bad. He had Greg Maddux talent with a William Van Landingham attitude. Now he just has the Van Landingham pout. It won't take long for MSM to start getting on him like they eventually did with Van Landingham.
I think he's out of the rotation by June due to "lip blisters"
by E Ticket on Mar 11, 2008 8:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by WilliamVanLandingham on Mar 11, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I'm saying he is soft. And you have reason to believe otherwise how? He shows up in camp looking like he a stunt double for Bret Michaels Rock of Love. And if our troops are counting on him to raise money by striking guys out, I'd rather he make that offer to Al Qaeda.
DL for "Lip Blisters" is euphemism for "sucking". So he's going dl for sucking. Your comment about being injured demonstrates a potential lack of reading comprehension, or what I suspect is irritation that I rub mud on the rose-colored lenses of all those Oakley's worn by the brie and garlic fry crowd.
So, to the point at hand. What have you seen with your eyes that tell you Zito is going to be anything other than a pile of overpaid shit?
by E Ticket on Mar 11, 2008 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Just sayin.
by JRPhillips on Mar 11, 2008 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by jponry on Mar 11, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by JRPhillips on Mar 11, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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How do you not get he's saying he sucks out of that?
by English Professor on Mar 11, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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For the obtuse and stupid, I will therefore spell it out. I said he would get DL because of lip blisters. Lip Blisters from sucking. When guys suck so bad, and they are not injured they go on the DL. That is what teams do with overpriced garbage. They put them in the suck column of the DL. And because he sucks so bad, he won't last past June. He obviously disagreed with me, stating that "he will always be there to suck just for you." I simply asked him to counter my point that he wont be around. For him, you or anybody to imply something I did not write is bullshit. It means one of two things. You have no reading comprehension and made a mistake. You do comprehend, and are just making shit up.
Its beside the point. I said Zito sucks so bad he wont last beyond June. That was the thesis of my post. Nothing more. And if you think he will be in the rotation beyond June too, than please explain why.
by E Ticket on Mar 11, 2008 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Because by removing him from the rotation for any other reason than a legitimate injury, the Giants would be admitting they made a mistake, and this organization refuses to do that under any circumstances.
by English Professor on Mar 11, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Sorry E you still Giants fan.
by E Ticket on Mar 11, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by zenbitz on Mar 11, 2008 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by WilliamVanLandingham on Mar 12, 2008 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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ERA: 4.58
K: 127
BB: 93
HRA: 28
by WalrusMan on Mar 11, 2008 8:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Community Projection: Barry Zito
ERA: 4.03
K: 141
BB: 76
HRA*: 26
SB*: 2 (so he'll consider it an 'off' year)
by ResDog on Mar 11, 2008 8:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER
I think it's something Bill Murray says in Meatballs. It's very fitting.
IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER!
IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER!
IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER!
by lrs77 on Mar 11, 2008 9:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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ERA: 4.37
K: 142
BB: 88
HRA*: 21
SB*: 4
by jponry on Mar 11, 2008 9:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Kitspool on Mar 11, 2008 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Cookyman on Mar 11, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by WilliamVanLandingham on Mar 11, 2008 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by lrs77 on Mar 11, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by cain1rstballothof on Mar 11, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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ERA: 4.46
K: 135
BB: 90
HRA*: 20
SB*: 1 (Becomes enamored with one of the Emperor's Club prostitutes, spending most of his 2008 salary on her services and earning him the nickname "Client 9" among the McCoven)
by Kitspool on Mar 11, 2008 9:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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ERA: 4.6
K: 116
BB: 72
HRA: 18
SB: (1 + sqrt(5)) / 2
by wcw on Mar 11, 2008 10:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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ERA: 4.62
K: 118
BB: 88
HRA*: 22
SB*: 0
Yeah, it's not gonna be a good year.
by groug on Mar 11, 2008 10:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by xanthan on Mar 11, 2008 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Mar 11, 2008 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Mar 11, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by xanthan on Mar 11, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Community Projection: Barry Zito
"Ðā wæs sumes hundred-mannes þēowa untrum, sē wæs sweltendlić, sē wæs him dīere..."
by KyrieEleison on Mar 11, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Mar 11, 2008 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Community Projection: Barry Zito
Actually, we were comparing the sentence structure and vocabulary of Old English (the language that Beowulf was written in) to those of Middle English (the language of Chaucer). What I posted above was Luke 7:2 in Old English. And yes, I can read it.
by KyrieEleison on Mar 11, 2008 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Nyeh!
(Jæz kānt oonderstand the fācking Ðing)
by Moggeee on Mar 11, 2008 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by ResDog on Mar 11, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Community Projection: Barry Zito
ERA: 4.07
K (strike outs): 151
SO (shots of): 151
BB: 90
HRA: 26
SB*: Betty White, by accident
by nick on Mar 11, 2008 10:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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IP: 190
ERA: 5.21
K: 112
BB: 110
HRA: 35
SB/9: 0.6
*E's doesn't count.
by Cookyman on Mar 11, 2008 10:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Community Projection: Barry Zito
ERA: 4.67
K: 136
BB: 78
HRA: 23
SB: 2 (Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen. The guys got a million dollars and all he wants to do is two chicks at the same time.)
BTW, the valuation section of that BP page is pretty depressing. Next 7 years valued at just under $26 million.
by One Flap Down on Mar 11, 2008 10:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by groug on Mar 11, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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ERA: 4.27
K: 122
BB: 69
HRA*: 21
It's optimism week! Oh, wait a sec...
by GobearsGogiants on Mar 11, 2008 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Community Projection: Barry Zito
IP 200
ERA 4.10
K 150
BB 88
HR 22
by out machine on Mar 11, 2008 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by wcw on Mar 11, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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1st half pitcher:
100 IP
ERA: 5.12
K: 40
BB: 40
HRA: 15
SB: N/A
2nd half pitcher:
IP: 100
ERA: 4.20
K: 63
BB: 30
HRA: 13
SB: Starlets don't go for 30-year-old fading pitchers whose GOOD second half has a sparkling 4.20 ERA.
I think what people tend to forget these days is that Zito has always been a second half pitcher (at least that's what everyone in the MSM tells me, and I don't care to look it up myself). He'll have a bad first half where we'll all wonder why on earth he got a seven year deal, and how can we possibly get rid of him. Then he'll have a slightly better second half where we'll still wonder why on earth he got a seven year deal and how can we possibly get rid of him, but we'll still be hopeful that next year he might deliver the Cy Young goods for a full season. But he won't, and the wheel of time will have gone full circle.
Well, I won't wonder that. I have zero faith in Zito putting together a full good year. He's crap, he's not going to be a stellar part of our rotation, and he should have been named our fourth starter, not our Opening Day starter.
by JRPhillips on Mar 11, 2008 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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H 228
R 135
ER 122
HR 24
BB 91
SO 74
HBP 7
WP 9
BFP 838
IBB 4
BK 2
ERA 6.15
WHIP 1.785
by kingofthacove on Mar 11, 2008 11:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by stevealbs on Mar 11, 2008 11:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sucking
by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 11, 2008 12:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: sucking
IP: 203
ERA: 4.40
K: 137
BB: 85
HRA*: 27
SB*: 13
by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 13, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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(Did not play)
We'll discover that his spring training issues stem from a torn ulnar collateral ligament, and he will miss the season after having it replaced. Moreover, he will be recovering at Cedars-Sinai, making the moves on a readmitted Britney Spears, only to be cockblocked by John Travolta and mercilessly converted to Scientology.
After last week I swore off optimism forever.
by antinous on Mar 11, 2008 12:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by daveinexile on Mar 11, 2008 12:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Stuttering John Tamargo on Mar 11, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by cain1rstballothof on Mar 11, 2008 12:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Community Projection: Barry Zito
ERA: 4.48
K: 136
BB: 94
HRA: 28
SB: Zilch. Starlets prefer gamers. Brian Bocock = gamer.
by juanboy on Mar 11, 2008 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by groug on Mar 11, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Fire Scott Armstrong on Mar 11, 2008 1:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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ERA: 4.79
K: 141
BB: 103
HRA: 27
SB: 1 (Hillary Duff comes crawling back for a night of that hot "crafty lefty workhorse" lovin')
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2008 1:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Community Projection: Barry Zito
ERA: Pestilence
K: Famine
BB: Locusts
HRA: Plague
W/L: Death
by English Professor on Mar 11, 2008 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Community Projection: Barry Zito
ERA: 4.39
K: 113
BB: 68
HRA: 16
SB*: 3(Laetitia Casta, Diablo Cody, & Nicole Scherzinger)
I'll think he'll miss 2-3 weeks with an "unnamed injury" during the time he's seeing Nicole Scherzinger.
by Lyle on Mar 11, 2008 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Community Projection: Barry Zito
ERA: 3.80
SO: 170
BB: 90
HRA: 24
by Cainer on Mar 11, 2008 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My Zito Prediction
(how many articles quoting different instances where Zito talked about how he needs to attack hitters)
and his ERA will be closer to that number than his Cy Young Award year's ERA.
by jasomack on Mar 11, 2008 4:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Mar 11, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Community Projection: Barry Zito
ERA: 3.97
K: 108
BB: 90
HRA: 18
Healthy as usual, puts up a solid year...but keeps up a crap K:BB ratio.
by Scottsdale on Mar 11, 2008 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Community Projection: Barry Zito
ERA: 11.58
K: 12
BB: 935
HRA: 75 (Will give up a record-breaking 7 in one inning)
by Viva Gigantes on Mar 11, 2008 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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ERA: 3.98
K: 129
BB: 96
HRA: 23
by raisingcain on Mar 11, 2008 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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ERA: 3.68
K: 156
BB: 99
HRA: 26
hell why not make it optimism year
by giantsin2067 on Mar 12, 2008 9:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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