Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Vets
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I am pretty upset to see Davis and Merkin on that list, hopefully they can somehow get rid of a veterans instead
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Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
by sfgiants114 on Mar 10, 2008 8:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
Get rid of a cancer of veterans.
Get rid of an anchor of veterans.
by victor frankenstein on Mar 10, 2008 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
by 2X2L on Mar 10, 2008 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
by Woody Wins on Mar 10, 2008 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
by biff pocoroba on Mar 11, 2008 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoppingu
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 10, 2008 8:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Shoppingu
I do kind of wish that Valdez getting back in shape would help take him off the radar since we kind of need as much high level pitching help as possible, but shopping him while his value is higher is probably not a bad thing either way.
Still, in general I do continue to think "non-news."
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Shoppingu
It's more of a shame to let Merkin go, especially since he looks like he might be coming back for real.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 10, 2008 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Shoppingu
Did he fix the hole in his 1B glove?
by The Thrill on Mar 10, 2008 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Shoppingu
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2008 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
by Scronjsn11 on Mar 10, 2008 9:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
by Mike on Mar 10, 2008 9:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
It must really suck to be Brian Sabean. I mean, imagine how pathetic a team would have to be to take a player - ANY PLAYER - the Giants don't want.
I mean, make a list of Giants AA and up and rank them in order of guys you actually want.
Now, drop off the top 2. That's the Lincecainium, you don't want to be messing with that stuff.
Aaron Rowand is probably 3... and he was just signed to a "market value" contract, so it's highly unlikely anyone really wants him more than we did. We'll call him worth zero.
Who else? Sanchez? Misch? Fred Freakin' Lewis? Kevin Correria? Brian Wilson? I guess that those guys are all "keepers".
Lowry I guess was worth something.. but that was pre-surgery, so now he's just a flyer for someone with an open roster spot.
But the rest... if they were waived, would anyone pick up their salary? (And yes, I realize that's not how it works)
by zenbitz on Mar 10, 2008 9:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
by boonitez on Mar 10, 2008 9:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
i mean, these are players without options, and without that much youth left...
by kennv on Mar 11, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
by boonitez on Mar 11, 2008 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF THEM.
Young does NOT equal good. It certainly doesn't equal great. And it does not promise either in the future.
We're trying to trade them so we don't lose one and get nothing back.
This is especially true in the bullpen. Has anyone been paying attention? We have more guys out of options than we do spots. What the heck do you people want...to hold onto all of them until the roster gets to the point that we have to put one on waivers and lose them for nothing?
As much as you people want to see it, cutting Kline isn't happening. Or Chulk. Or Roberts. Or Zito. Cutting assets, even poor ones, is bad asset management. It's the way even good owners go bankrupt.
So get what you can now. If you can't trade Davis...trade Lewis. But seriously, what good will it be to the team to keep both and not have Schierholtz getting playing time? If you can't trade Merkin, trade Threets or anyone else. But get something rather than lose them for nothing.
by BruteSentiment on Mar 10, 2008 9:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
by onlxn on Mar 10, 2008 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Recongnising
by rfloh on Mar 11, 2008 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
If we trade Davis, and Winn and Roberts (and their fat contractual obligations for 2009) stick around, I'll be pissed.
I'm just sayin'.
Maybe Chulk is the one that should go. While he is in his peak years (age wise), nothing he's done at the major league level before '07 indicates that he'll be a good ML reliever. His '07 was pretty solid. Selling high isn't Sabean's style though.
by jasomack on Mar 11, 2008 12:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
Valdez, meanwhile, is a recovering TJ who has always been inconsistent, and will be lost for nothing (that's a promise) if he gets waived...as will any of the four other guys.
If we lose someone for nothing, I'll be pissed.
Winn and Roberts aren't tradable as it is. What's more, even if they were, Davis is f'ing blocked by Rowand. Keeping him on the bench won't help this team in the long run. We have too many outfielders, and while I'd love to see the old guy (Roberts) go, Davis is a pointless man to have after Rowand's acquisition.
by BruteSentiment on Mar 11, 2008 3:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
Kline's last good year was 2004, when he absolutely killed lefties. Since then, lefties have started hitting better against him to the point where last year he was equally lousy against guys on either side of the plate. In short, I see no reason why he should be expected to "bounce back." For this reason, he can't be traded because no one will take his salary (which should give one a clue as to his actual value). In this case, the only sensible course of action for a rebuilding team is to release him, eat his salary, and give his roster spot to a young player who might someday be good.
Randy Winn is definitely tradeable. He has a fairly reasonable contract, and he's a pretty good player. I don't think the Giants could get much for him, but if they really wanted to they could trade him without eating his salary. However, considering he's the second-best hitter on a team that already has a chance to be historically bad offensively, I would be against trading him except for a truly legitimate prospect or corner infielder.
Roberts, you're right, cannot be traded without eating most of his salary, which the Giants should (but won't) consider doing. I think keeping Davis as a 4th or 5th outfielder and dumping Roberts (even at a loss) would be preferable to trading Davis unless something good came back (which I don't think is at all likely).
by taliesin on Mar 11, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dumping Kline and Roberts
by Lyle on Mar 11, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
At any rate, I could be wrong about Kline staying on the team...recent reports indicate the Giants will not be opposed to releasing him sometime this spring.
by BruteSentiment on Mar 11, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
Holds may be a debatable stat (no less so than 'wins'), but out of approximately 210 relievers in the majors, being in the top 10%, that is more than 'fine' in my book.
by BruteSentiment on Mar 11, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
However those 2 aren't particularly surprising candidates, they may be young players, but they're both at positions where we have a surplus of young players (Relief pitching & Outfielders)
Neither are the best of the surplus, Davis has less upside than Schierholtz & Lewis. Valdez whilst pitching well so far, is still somewhat of an unknown, coming back from injury.
If we could get a young player at a position of need (such as corner infield) or at a different stage (someone who's further away, with options or with more upside) then that'd be good management.
by GiantFan on Mar 11, 2008 4:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin
Ideally, I'd use him in the 8th inning this year. If he fails, then yes, his value as a trade chip plummets. But, in his case, I'd rather take the chance that we have a good young(ish) reliever than trade him for whatever Brian Sabean thinks he can shake loose from another team. Part of that is Merkin's potential, and part of that is my low opinion of Sabean's ability to identify young hitting talent (and I'm assuming we'd trade him for hitting - otherwise, why?).
by Lyle on Mar 11, 2008 6:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin
by the way, your signature fits perfectly with your post here.
by kennv on Mar 11, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
I thought I heard him in the mid-90's on the radio but I can't be sure, I may have made that up. I had heard earlier reports before ST that he wasn't throwing that hard.
by xanthan on Mar 11, 2008 6:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants shopping Davis and Merkin along with Ve
He's pumping a lot of fastballs to lower level competition.
by Anticon23 on Mar 11, 2008 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: No untouchables
by zenbitz on Mar 11, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs




















