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Oh, right. Optimism Week. Uh, young player who I'm looking forward to watching....Brian Wilson. That there guy throws some nice pitches and stuff.
With that out of the way, allow me to indulge myself. One of my biggest jobs here is to stimulate discussion. My knock-knock jokes really don't build a sense of community. Good discussion starters certainly do, however. That written, I'm going to knowingly kill any chance of discussion today, as I'm going to push for a trade that I've pushed for in the past. It's a boring trade, and the upgrade, if any, would be minor.
A conversation like this happened at some point this winter, I'm pretty sure:
Sabean puts a huge handful of peanuts in his mouth.
Sabean: Amafmff a grrffffrandsenfffefa.
Bochy: Wait, what? Did you just say Frandsen?
Sabean: Afffmmgffvelezefff
Bochy: Wait, Velez? That guy can barely play second!
Sabean: How did you hear both of those names? Dammit. I need more peanuts.
The correct answer is Ben Zobrist.
Zobrist is a pre-arbitration shortstop who is blocked by a shortstop at the major league level, Jason Bartlett. Zobrist is not in the future plans of the Devil Rays, who have Reid Brignac as their long-term solution.
Ben Zobrist has never had an on-base percentage below .400 at any minor league level.
Ben Zobrist has a decent defensive reputation.
Ben Zobrist does charity work for causes you care about. Look it up.
Ben Zobrist fills a need for the Giants. His team doesn't have a plan for him in the short- or long-term. That team could use some inexpensive bullpen help. They could use a ML-ready starting pitcher to avoid rushing their 1,783 starting pitching prospects.
Ben Zobrist might not be a long-term solution, but the Giants would have a couple of years to figure that out before he's pressed by any of the shortstops in the low minors.
There has to be a fit.
Ben Zobrist is a switch-hitter.
Ben Zobrist can take out all of the raisins out of already-baked oatmeal-raisin cookies if you don't like raisins. If you prefer, he can put in more raisins.
Ben Zobrist.
Ben Zobrist.
Get on it, Sabes.
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by Grant Brisbee on Feb 27, 2008 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
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...oh well.
by Mark carry on on Feb 27, 2008 12:41 PM PST reply actions
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by Speedforthewin on Feb 27, 2008 12:57 PM PST reply actions
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by SoFa King Mike on Feb 27, 2008 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
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QUESTION: Does Ben Zobrist slide head-first into first base?
QUESTION: Does Ben Zobrist play centerfield?
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When you're plan is to start a 40-year-old shortstop who's losing his range & has lost most of his bat speed, do you really need a back-up plan?
OK seriously. Zobrist sounds like a good option & he would fit into the second part of the speed & defense plan outlined on page 3 of the TPS report (unlike Frandsen, Richie & Velez). But realistically, our GM isn't going to make this move. And I don't think we should trade anything of quality for Zobrist when he'll only be filling in for a couple of weeks. Odds are we're going to trade for Crede, move Frandsen to short & once Omar's healthy he'll take over for Durham who'll be hitting around the Mendoza line. Leaving 12 million dollars on the bench with Richie & Ray-Ray.
Optimism week: Brian Wilson kissed the Blarney Stone & got a new tattoo this offseason. Sorry if this was already posted We could use that extra luck this year.
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O anagram server,
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Has some bad acne too
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Feb 27, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
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I like raisins.
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by Grant Brisbee on Feb 27, 2008 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
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Adam Everett?
Injury could linger throughout the season
Do Not Worry, Sabes Has A Plan!
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by giantsrainman on Feb 27, 2008 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
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The larger issue, of course, is the team's careful preparation to maintain a continuting supply of shortstop competence: Joe Jester, Edwin Maldonado, Elliot Strankman, Jamie Athas, Mickey Miranda, Kevin Kelly, Tim Hutting, Jeff Palumbo, Jeremiah Luster, Anthony Contreras, and Mark Minicozzi. All the while employing Mike Benjamin, Steve Scarsone, Kim Batiste, Jay Canizaro, Wilson Delgado, Jose Vizcaino, Rey Sanchez, Ramon Martinez, Cody Ransom, Neifi Perez, Deivi Cruz, Angel Chavez, and Tomas De La Rosa.
So no, I don't see any problem. None at all.
Man, I love subtlety.
by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Feb 27, 2008 1:40 PM PST reply actions
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More like: Q. Ben Zobrist? A. Eh, OK.
question with question
by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Feb 28, 2008 6:10 AM PST up reply actions
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So tomorrow's starting infield is going to be Ort, Velez, Franny, & Leone??? That is my best guess.
So, yeah i think we could use a young, healthy guy like Zobrist.
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Any way you slice it, we're going to lose some of those guys, unless we do something really, really stupid like send better pitchers (i.e. Sanchez, Wilson, etc.) down to the minors just because they have options left.
If I were Sabes, to maximize my returns, I'd trade two or three of the above names to people for short-season league pitchers with plus fastballs. Or Ben Zobrist.
by GobearsGogiants on Feb 27, 2008 1:52 PM PST reply actions
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by EliminateMe on Feb 28, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
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I think we all know what will happen
Perez and the Rockies had agreed to a $750,000 minor league contract on Tuesday, a goodwill gesture that manager Clint Hurdle called a lifeline for one of the more popular players in club history who has hit hard times of late.
But the team later had second thoughts and decided against bringing him back.
"We just didn't feel like it was a good fit," assistant general manager Bill Geivett said.
The first player suspended by baseball for stimulants since they were banned before the 2006 season, Perez has 18 games remaining on an 80-game suspension he received last season after testing positive for a third time.
The Rockies hope Perez can find a job with another team.
And they really, really hope that other team is the Giants. Neifi wouldn't immediately help with Vizquel out, but I wouldn't trust Sabean to figure that out.
by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 27, 2008 2:53 PM PST reply actions
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Similarly, a starting infield with 3 players under 30 (Zobrist, Frandsen, Ortmeier) would look waaayy too much like a "rebuilding effort."
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by victor frankenstein on Feb 27, 2008 3:24 PM PST reply actions
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by howtheyscored on Feb 28, 2008 12:51 AM PST up reply actions
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A .280 .335 .381
B .249 .334 .358
Frandsen and Zobrist. More potential in line B I suppose, but Omar isn't going to miss much time anyhow so I think its moot.
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HERE IS A LINK
Julianna Zobrist
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Oh, that was bad, wasn't it?
Not funny at all. Not one bit.
Why would I even bother posting it?
Dumb.
Just...
Dumb.
Oh, I'm so dumb.
by lrs77 on Feb 27, 2008 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
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It's freakin' me out.
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Yeah, I can kind of see that.
by howtheyscored on Feb 28, 2008 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
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Anybody else notice that the Christian rock chick wife has...black fingernail polish?
GOTH GIANTS!!!
by victor frankenstein on Feb 27, 2008 6:57 PM PST reply actions
I heard a lispy chant at the old ballpark
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The Giants will trade WAY too much for Zobrist, he'll come over, do a fine job filling in for Omar for the first 2 weeks of the season, then Omar will return and he'll get stuck on the bench, wasting away, not getting enough regular playing time to really develop. And then he'll be ruined.
The Giants will ruin you, Ben Zobrist.
Ruin you.
And I'm going to stray off topic, but I wanted to say, since no one else wants to, but I actually like Pat Misch. I saw him pitch only twice last season, but there was something there. I swear it. I swear I saw that something.
If we include Misch in some BS trade, mark my words, we'll regret it.
WE'LL TOTALLY REGRET IT!
Okay.
by lrs77 on Feb 27, 2008 8:00 PM PST reply actions
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by The Professor on Feb 27, 2008 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
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He's done ok in the minors. But at the Trop, where most young hitters have come up and prospered, he's put up an average of .200 and an OPS od .503 in 200 ab's. I'd rather just give Burris or Bocock a shot.
http://giantsbaseballblog.blogspot.com/
Giants SS of the Future
by adamf on Feb 27, 2008 10:01 PM PST reply actions
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Oh, who am I kidding? We'll sign David Eckstein to a 30-year contract after he turns 38.
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Clearly Bocock will have to hit better, but by all accounts his defense is ready right now. Culberson could very well be the wild card here, but as he is a 19-yr-old, I'd assume Bocock gets his shot before Culberson does. After this season, Culberson could very well jump to the top of this list.
by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Feb 28, 2008 6:19 AM PST up reply actions
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Yeah, I'll take 4 please.
So I had my series of love poems to Ben Zobrist all planned out and was getting set to commit them to paper in my own blood when I was learned that Grant failed to mention that when Ben went to the bigs from the minors he becomes half the man he used to be, and his wife is a plastic Jesus freak. She's not a freak about Plastic Jesus (as in, "it don't matter if it rains or freezes..."), but she is plastic and a freak about Jesus. So, now I will cancel my purchase of the URL www.zobrist-giantssavior.com, and just say Zobrist for Misch straight-up would make me happy.
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Feb 27, 2008 11:33 PM PST reply actions
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And don't trade Misch! Trade Hennessey or some other reliever(s). Let's keep Misch.
by lrs77 on Feb 28, 2008 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
Interesting hypothesis
Worst thing that comes case scenario's are (A) Misch goes on to be a solid carrier #3 type starter and Zobrist falls apart and can't post a 300 OBP while morphing into Cody Ranson. Or (B) is a serviceable SS the recently drafted SS have to be better then to take the job. Option A is mitigated by what are the chances Misch would have the opportunity as a starter here ( Its possible but by no means definite) and on farther review option B isn't that bad.
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And Christians who feel compelled to tell everybody how great being Christian is are creepy. I don't go around telling you all about my non-Jewery, do I? No, because nobody cares.
by howtheyscored on Feb 28, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
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And I agree, nobody enjoys a zealous, singing Christain. Nobody. Those who say they do are faking it because they're afraid of going to hell. But that doesn't negate the fact that she looks like a hot android.
BLADERUNNER is definitely in my all-time top 5 favorite movies.
And I guess we can trade Misch. I think he's going to be a very solid #3 for some team, but the Giants are loaded with talented pitchers, so, we might as well trade him.
by lrs77 on Feb 28, 2008 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
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his one drawback is that defensively, he is average at best. I would call him dependable, but his range is very limited. he won't make a lot of errors, but he won't make any great plays either.
Offensively, his major league numbers have yet to show his minor league potential, but part of that is a lack of regular playing time. He has never looked over-matched and I think he will be fine. I can see him hitting .280 with a .380 OBP most years. and one or two years he may get hot and hit .320/.410.
the reason he is out of a job in Tampa Bay is bc the Rays were attrociious defensively last year, and made one of their priorities this off-season. So they went and traded for Bartlett who was just as important to the Rays as Garza in the Delmon Young trade.
in the end, the Giants could do much worse than Zobrist.

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