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'Tis the time for prospect lists. Top-ten lists, top-100 lists, reviews of past prospect lists, prospects of past list reviews...it's a time of year that even the fan of a total loser team can appreciate, as the optimism isn't spliced with awful on-field results. Loves me some prospect lists.
My problem is that I'm not qualified to write one. I'm just not. I saw one minor league game last year, and I pretended like I knew what I was looking for, but I so didn't. Best swing of the night? Adam Witter...because he hit a home run. Best pitcher on the team? That one guy with the rosin bag. He had a clean delivery or something.
So while I'm not quite qualified to create my own top-ten prospects list, a list of my favorite under-the-radar prospects shouldn't expose me.
- Brian Bocock -- His inclusion here is almost entirely due to a single quote that I can't dredge up with my Google-fu. It was from someone in the Giants organization, and he said something like, "If we can make him a .260 hitter in the majors, he'll make a ton of money." That's just a perfect description; it's Bocock's strengths and weaknesses in one sentence. Bocock can run, and by most accounts, he's the best fielding shortstop in the system. He can't quite hit yet, which drops him out of every prospect list you'll see, but if Bocock can become the .260/.330/.400 hitter from the quote, he'll be a pretty valuable piece to a rebuilding team.
- Travis Denker -- This could make up for the Pierzynski deal. Seriously. Just stay with me on this one. The Dodgers are just gorging themselves at the prospect trough -- so much so that they can give up a quasi-prospect for Mark Sweeney, a luxury who is the MLB roster equivalent of a wireless toaster from Sharper Image. They don't care right now. They have prospects and young players spilling out of their pockets.
Now picture Denker hitting a game-winning home run to knock the Dodgers out of the 2010 playoffs. Man alive, that'd be sweet. It be the perfect ending to a Greek tragedy. Organization has money and prospects; organization gets careless with prospects; organization is slain by the very prospect they discarded. Aristotle would be proud.
- Thomas Neal -- I'm not sure why I'm fascinated with Neal. He was a draft-and-follow, which always seemed like a great use of the last half of the draft. He's supposed to be pretty athletic, and he's only 20. There's a fine line between "injury-prone" and "untapped potential that we haven't seen because of injuries", and I'm going with the latter.
- Championship Beavers -- That would make a fantastic proper name, but I'm referring to two of the Oregon State pitchers drafted last year, Daniel Turpen and Joe Paterson. It seems like every other year or so, a pitcher from the Northwest League without a great draft pedigree becomes a top-fifteen prospect with a good season in the Sally or Cal League. Championship Beavers had nice K/9 ratios, so I'll hedge my bets by taking both.
Comment starter: Your favorite under-the-radar prospects, if you would.
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Re: Title
...not more Aurilia, Kent and Durham though. We need two less of them.
Mike Sweeney?
by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 21, 2008 8:11 AM PST reply actions
What?
Gah screw it. I was trying to look cool by changing the font color to white and saying something secret to Grant but I can't figure it out so...
Haha Grant messed up!
Re: What?
I'm actually proud that I've only done the Mike/Mark thing twice.
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 21, 2008 8:52 AM PST up reply actions
Bocock
Bocock is well behind Vizquel at the same age. He's well behind last year's Worst Player in Baseball, Nick Punto. He's behind Belanger and Aparicio and Bill Russell and Ozzie Guillen and Jose Vizcaino; most of those guys were in the majors by age 22.
You can find a few shortstops, like Eckstein or Ozzie Smith, who were stuck at a lower level at age 22, but they hit a lot better while they were there.
In conclusion, I am not optimistic about Brian Bocock.
Re: Bocock
I don't know, but it seems like that's based on Vizquel already being in the majors, where he .220/.273/.261 in his age-22 season. Bocock probably wouldn't have been much worse.
But your larger point stands. If I had a minor league database that could sort major league Win Shares or something, I'm sure there wouldn't be too many examples of 22-year-olds sucking in A-ball to go on to MLB careers.
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 21, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
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Under the Radar Prospects
The haters will say that he was too old for the NWL last summer. They will complain that he spent more time as a pitcher than a hitter at Alabama. And they will point out that he therefore has no true position.
In response, I would say "Who cares?" He can't control when he's drafted nor which league he's assigned to; his college needed him to pitch, the Giants not so much; and his positional flexibility is an advantage.
He led the Volcanoes in most offensive categories. He led the league in several of those categories. He hits for power and average. He can steal a base if needed. He was voted either the MVP or co-MVP of the league (too lazy to look it up).
When Angel Villalona is officially moved to firstbase after 2009, the gaping hole in our minor league system at 3B will be dramatically filled by...Matt Downs.
by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Feb 21, 2008 9:01 AM PST reply actions
Re: Under the Radar Prospects
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 21, 2008 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
Re: Under the Radar Prospects
Satana
by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Feb 21, 2008 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Re: So many to choose from...
Satana is a succubus, draining souls to survive. She can fire energy bolts, form shields, levitate, cast illusions, and mesmerize others. She is immune to human needs and frailties. She was formerly assisted by Exiter and the Basilisk, a demon cat and an immensely powerful arch demon.
But can she play centerfield?
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Re: So many to choose from...
by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2008 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
Re: So many to choose from...
by BruteSentiment on Feb 22, 2008 1:14 AM PST up reply actions
Re: Under the Radar Prospects
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 21, 2008 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
One other song:
Sparks fly from her finger tips
Echoed voices in the night
She's a restless spirit on an endless flight
by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Feb 21, 2008 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Re: Under the Radar Prospects
by Andy from DC on Feb 21, 2008 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
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Re: Under the Radar Prospects
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 21, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
His name is a sentence
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Re: His name is a sentence
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 21, 2008 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
I just made the mistake of going there
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Re: Under the Radar Prospects
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/21/SPRSV5PT4.DTL
Re: Title
I've expressed my irrational optimism for Chad Rothford a few times here. That SK team had nothing in the way of a real standout prospect but had solid guys. I like Danny Otero from that team as well as Brock Bond, but those guys aren't really under the radar.
In the last few days there have been a few really good articles about Giants prospects in local media. Haft did a piece on Eugenio Velez (<3 Eugenio) on MLB.com and Schulman did one on the friendship and competition between Manny Burriss and Brian Bocock for the Chron. These are the stories I want to be writing. :(
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 21, 2008 9:09 AM PST reply actions
the big Q
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I took this photo of him at the Futures Game making a nice run-and-throw play from short.
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As a fifth-year Senior signing, he gets no attention. All he did was co-lead the NWL in home runs in his debut. Then he skipped a level to San Jose, and batted .260/.342/.481, a solid but not impressive amount.
WHat makes me think there's a breakout waiting to happen is this: he was a left-handed hitter who was murdered by teh Muni. At home, he batted .229/.316/.373 with six home runs. On the road? .286/.365/.571 with 12 home runs.
Add in that he has a respectable K/BB ratio (just over two) for a slugger, and you've got a guy who's not getting enough respect. Sure, he'll be 25 this season, and he won't be a great contact hitter, but he's also a catcher, where the line is a lot lower than other positions.
by BruteSentiment on Feb 21, 2008 10:48 AM PST reply actions
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Which would you pick?
.276/.298/.433
.287/.312/.425
Witter Home
Molina Total
Molina Home
I'm not sure what you're arguing here. Bring Witter up right now?
Speaking of Top Prospect Lists...
We will start publishing the Top 10, wrapping it up next week, but here's the other 40 (actually, 41).
#50 - TIE - Travis Ishikawa and Eddy Martinez-Esteve
#49 - Matt Downs
#48 - Steven Calicutt
#47 - Billy Sadler
#46 - Pablo Sandoval
#45 - Danny Otero
#44 - Dan Griffin
#43 - Merkin Valdez
#42 - Brock Bond
#41 - Andy D'Alessio
#40 - Garrett Baker
#39 - Osiris Matos
#38 - Justin Hedrick
#37 - David Newton
#36 - Adam Witter
#35 - Geno Espineli
#34 - David Quinowski
#33 - Clay Timpner
#32 - Charlie Culberson
#31 - Jackson Williams
#30 - Taylor Wilding
#29 - Paul Oseguera
#28 - Juan Trinidad
#27 - Joe Martinez
#26 - Brian Horwitz
#25 - Waldis Joaquin
#24 - Adam Cowart
#23 - Sergio Romo
#22 - Eugenio Velez
#21 - Ben Copeland
#20 - Wilber Bucardo
#19 - Travis Denker
#18 - Kelvin Pichardo
#17 - Antoan Richardson
#16 - Ben Snyder
#15 - Manny Burriss
#14 - John Bowker
#13 - Kevin Pucetas
#12 - Brian Anderson
#11 - Dave McKae
by BruteSentiment on Feb 21, 2008 10:51 AM PST reply actions
Re: Speaking of Top Prospect Lists...
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 21, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Favorite Under Radar Dudes
Horwitz is probably my favorite. I've got a soft spot for guys that are short on talent and long on heart.
I could see Turpen in the bullpen. He's got such great life on his 2FB that he could make it with a halfway decent slider.
D'Alessio of course is intriguing. Maybe he can't breaking pitches, maybe he's an a**hole, but I just don't see how a guy with his upside could fall to the 18th round.
by orangeandblackattack on Feb 21, 2008 11:27 AM PST reply actions
Prospects
One article I read even included these comments :
"He would be what you consider a five-tool player"
"reminiscent of Derek Jeter at that age"
"He understands the game very well. He's a student of the game"
Proof: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070522&content_id=1979209&vkey=draft2007&fext= .jsp
by OrangeJesus on Feb 21, 2008 11:34 AM PST reply actions
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by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Feb 21, 2008 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
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by howtheyscored on Feb 22, 2008 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
Re: Prospects
by prospecthound on Feb 22, 2008 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
2 drinks
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I'm totally with you on Denker...
Anyone who's young and doesn't suck, who helped one of our little teams to a championship and comes from the Dodgers is awesome in my book.
If anyone wants a copy, I'll autograph lata.
Re: Title
Looking at Brute's prospect list, I think Billy at #47 is the most underrated. When a guy has a good year, we tend to overrate him. When he has a bad year, the opposite is often true. Billy really struggled with his control, but he did rebound well after being demoted to Connecticut.
Just as Billy's former LSU teammate Brian Wilson rebounded from control difficulties and eventually found his way toward becoming the closer this season, I think Billy too will bounce back.
Dan Griffin could also be a bounceback candidate, although I agree that his star is dimming.
favorite under-the-rader prospect
Low three-quarters slot
High 80's fastball and sweepy slider.
Too many walks like most Giants pitchers.
As a 22 year old in 2007 Paul posted a 2.72 ERA, 6.02 H/9, 7.77 K/9, 3.88 BB/9 in 46.1 IP in 34 games at San Jose.
Re: Title
Other than that: Eric Threets (but hardly under the radar).
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by prospecthound on Feb 21, 2008 3:19 PM PST reply actions
+1
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by Grant Brisbee on Feb 21, 2008 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
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by prospecthound on Feb 22, 2008 6:21 AM PST up reply actions
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by Grant Brisbee on Feb 22, 2008 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
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by prospecthound on Feb 22, 2008 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
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Okay, not really but he's a BC grad so I've got to give him props. And I think everyone else in the system has been mentioned at this point. :)
Namae
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 22, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
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- Alex Hinshaw got hurt early last season, but check out the numbers he was putting up in CT. He was reportedly OK in instructional league. I have his autograph on a baseball that a mutual friend gave me.
- Not sure why, but I have a suspicion that we could see a breakout season for Wilmin Rodriquez.
- If Jose Valdez ever gets it together, he will be a great one.
- 17 yo Hector Sanchez put up some mighy fine looking numbers in the DSL, a pretty extreme pitcher's league last summer.
Re: Under the Radar? or just too young...
I don't how much of a 'breakout' to expect, as he's probably a long way away from AA, but if he can make it out of the AZL I'd consider it a breakout.
And along the lines of extremely young little brothers, I'm also interested in seeing what Jorge Bucardo does. He had a 5.6:1 K:BB in the DSL. He turns 19 this year, so maybe his age will come into play.
I don't know if these two are 'under the radar' or just so far down the system that they aren't relevant yet. But when your team is full of 26 year old in AA regularly, that 17 years of age is appealing. I guess this is like taking a HS draftees as a your breakout pick.
Damn straight!
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Re: Damn straight!
Re: Damn straight!
by howtheyscored on Feb 22, 2008 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
About as intimidating as a house frau
Re: Under the Radar? or just too young...
I've also been on the Jesse English bandwagon for a few years. And, of course, my baby boy Pablito I fully expect to be the EL's All Star catcher this year.
Witter
He gets the job done. The only downside is that the organization wants to pump up their younger guys and Witter has to do what he does with part time work behind the plate. At the beginning of last season when he struggled- it was mostly in situations where he never knew if he was even going to play.
If you look at his splits after June 1 or so- they are as good as anybodies. If it weren't for a late season slump he would look even better.
The real key for him his getting off to a good start. In both seasons in the minors so far- he's been too slow out of the gate.
by kickntrue on Feb 21, 2008 6:44 PM PST reply actions
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by DrBGiantsfan on Feb 22, 2008 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
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artistotle would most likely be pleased.
by The Gene Hackman on Feb 21, 2008 6:53 PM PST reply actions
Great topic
But Waldis Joaquin is my guy. Mid-90s fastball, snappy slider, 21 years old. He's still young enough to learn a changeup that keeps him in the rotation.
It's far off, but two Dominican leaguers are real interesting -- Jorge Bucardo and Hector Sanchez, both of whom will be 18 this year. I'm hoping they play in one of the U.S. leagues this summer.
Interesting aside
by orangeandblackattack on Feb 22, 2008 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
Re: Interesting aside
by prospecthound on Feb 22, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
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by GobearsGogiants on Feb 22, 2008 6:45 AM PST reply actions
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by howtheyscored on Feb 22, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Option 3
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