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'Tis the time for prospect lists. Top-ten lists, top-100 lists, reviews of past prospect lists, prospects of past list reviews...it's a time of year that even the fan of a total loser team can appreciate, as the optimism isn't spliced with awful on-field results. Loves me some prospect lists.

My problem is that I'm not qualified to write one. I'm just not. I saw one minor league game last year, and I pretended like I knew what I was looking for, but I so didn't. Best swing of the night? Adam Witter...because he hit a home run. Best pitcher on the team? That one guy with the rosin bag. He had a clean delivery or something.

So while I'm not quite qualified to create my own top-ten prospects list, a list of my favorite under-the-radar prospects shouldn't expose me.

  • Brian Bocock -- His inclusion here is almost entirely due to a single quote that I can't dredge up with my Google-fu. It was from someone in the Giants organization, and he said something like, "If we can make him a .260 hitter in the majors, he'll make a ton of money." That's just a perfect description; it's Bocock's strengths and weaknesses in one sentence. Bocock can run, and by most accounts, he's the best fielding shortstop in the system. He can't quite hit yet, which drops him out of every prospect list you'll see, but if Bocock can become the .260/.330/.400 hitter from the quote, he'll be a pretty valuable piece to a rebuilding team.
  • Travis Denker -- This could make up for the Pierzynski deal. Seriously. Just stay with me on this one. The Dodgers are just gorging themselves at the prospect trough -- so much so that they can give up a quasi-prospect for Mark Sweeney, a luxury who is the MLB roster equivalent of a wireless toaster from Sharper Image. They don't care right now. They have prospects and young players spilling out of their pockets.

    Now picture Denker hitting a game-winning home run to knock the Dodgers out of the 2010 playoffs. Man alive, that'd be sweet. It be the perfect ending to a Greek tragedy. Organization has money and prospects; organization gets careless with prospects; organization is slain by the very prospect they discarded. Aristotle would be proud.

  • Thomas Neal -- I'm not sure why I'm fascinated with Neal. He was a draft-and-follow, which always seemed like a great use of the last half of the draft. He's supposed to be pretty athletic, and he's only 20. There's a fine line between "injury-prone" and "untapped potential that we haven't seen because of injuries", and I'm going with the latter.
  • Championship Beavers -- That would make a fantastic proper name, but I'm referring to two of the Oregon State pitchers drafted last year, Daniel Turpen and Joe Paterson. It seems like every other year or so, a pitcher from the Northwest League without a great draft pedigree becomes a top-fifteen prospect with a good season in the Sally or Cal League. Championship Beavers had nice K/9 ratios, so I'll hedge my bets by taking both.

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Re: Title
Thanks, I know more about these guys than I did 5 minutes ago. I like small lists that I can read and that make me feel like I know something about the Giants farm system. I hope Denker doesn't lose any of his patience going through the system and stays at 2B. Good offensive teams need shortstops, second basemen and catchers that hit better than their peers. We've had that in the past with Aurilia, Kent, and Durham, and we'll need some more of that in the future.

...not more Aurilia, Kent and Durham though. We need two less of them.

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by jasomack on Feb 21, 2008 8:00 AM PST reply actions  

Mike Sweeney?
is related to Mark Sweeney?
Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 21, 2008 8:11 AM PST reply actions  

What?
I don't get what you are talking about...

Gah screw it.  I was trying to look cool by changing the font color to white and saying something secret to Grant but I can't figure it out so...

Haha Grant messed up!

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by WalrusMan on Feb 21, 2008 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: What?
You will always look like a fool if you call me out for editable infractions.

I'm actually proud that I've only done the Mike/Mark thing twice.

by Grant Brisbee on Feb 21, 2008 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: What?
What Mike/Mark thing?
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by WalrusMan on Feb 21, 2008 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Bocock
I wonder whether any player has ever started off his pro career as poorly as Brian Bocock and gone on to have a significant major-league career. His career line at age 22 is .241/.311/.334, all in A-ball. Adam Everett, by contrast, hit .263/.356/.385 in AA at age 22.

Bocock is well behind Vizquel at the same age. He's well behind last year's Worst Player in Baseball, Nick Punto. He's behind Belanger and Aparicio and Bill Russell and Ozzie Guillen and Jose Vizcaino; most of those guys were in the majors by age 22.

You can find a few shortstops, like Eckstein or Ozzie Smith, who were stuck at a lower level at age 22, but they hit a lot better while they were there.

In conclusion, I am not optimistic about Brian Bocock.

by Evan on Feb 21, 2008 8:52 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Bocock
Bocock is well behind Vizquel at the same age.

I don't know, but it seems like that's based on Vizquel already being in the majors, where he .220/.273/.261 in his age-22 season. Bocock probably wouldn't have been much worse.

But your larger point stands. If I had a minor league database that could sort major league Win Shares or something, I'm sure there wouldn't be too many examples of 22-year-olds sucking in A-ball to go on to MLB careers.

by Grant Brisbee on Feb 21, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Bocock
Now, wait a minute. Bocock did hit .220 this year -- in Single A! I'm sort of mildly interested in the guy because of the defense, but he's not one of my under-the-radar favorites.

by Dan from NM on Feb 21, 2008 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Under the Radar Prospects
I have irrationally high hopes for Matt Downs.

The haters will say that he was too old for the NWL last summer. They will complain that he spent more time as a pitcher than a hitter at Alabama. And they will point out that he therefore has no true position.

In response, I would say "Who cares?" He can't control when he's drafted nor which league he's assigned to; his college needed him to pitch, the Giants not so much; and his positional flexibility is an advantage.

He led the Volcanoes in most offensive categories.  He led the league in several of those categories. He hits for power and average. He can steal a base if needed. He was voted either the MVP or co-MVP of the league (too lazy to look it up).

When Angel Villalona is officially moved to firstbase after 2009, the gaping hole in our minor league system at 3B will be dramatically filled by...Matt Downs.

"I think I'd trust Amy Winehouse to guard my bag of coke before I'd trust Sabes to build my offense." -Dan Szymborski, Baseball Think Factory

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Feb 21, 2008 9:01 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Under the Radar Prospects
F the haters. If we listened to what they had to say any prospect who isn't immediately at the caliber of Johan Satana or Albert Pujols would be garbage. The end.
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 21, 2008 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Under the Radar Prospects
Pfft. I've never even HEARD of Satana. Did you mean Satan?
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by jasomack on Feb 21, 2008 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Satana
...has a wicked fastball.
"I think I'd trust Amy Winehouse to guard my bag of coke before I'd trust Sabes to build my offense." -Dan Szymborski, Baseball Think Factory

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Feb 21, 2008 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: So many to choose from...
From the Marvel site:
Satana is a succubus, draining souls to survive. She can fire energy bolts, form shields, levitate, cast illusions, and mesmerize others. She is immune to human needs and frailties. She was formerly assisted by Exiter and the Basilisk, a demon cat and an immensely powerful arch demon.

But can she play centerfield?

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by hairball on Feb 21, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: So many to choose from...
Man, she's really off balance in that drawing. She looks like she's going to fall backwards at any moment. Might have to do with how top-heavy she is.
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by Natto on Feb 21, 2008 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: So many to choose from...
Actually, she's doing it with the power of levitation, which I understand she has.
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by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2008 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: So many to choose from...
Well, anyone who knows me knows I like unbalanced women.  Although usually it's not in that way...
SFDugout.com is BACK! Top 50 Prospects is starting...but, why are there two #50's?

by BruteSentiment on Feb 22, 2008 1:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Under the Radar Prospects
Puts a whole new spin on the songs "Evil Ways" and "Black Magic Woman."
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 21, 2008 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

One other song:
Raven hair and ruby lips
Sparks fly from her finger tips
Echoed voices in the night
She's a restless spirit on an endless flight
"I think I'd trust Amy Winehouse to guard my bag of coke before I'd trust Sabes to build my offense." -Dan Szymborski, Baseball Think Factory

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Feb 21, 2008 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Under the Radar Prospects
What about Evil Women by ELO?
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by Andy from DC on Feb 21, 2008 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Under the Radar Prospects
Speaking of Pujols, does anyone else here routinely shout "Hit him in the poo hole" to the pitcher when Al-bear comes up to bat, or is it just me?
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by hairball on Feb 21, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Under the Radar Prospects
Probably just you. Although a dude in my fantasy league last year named his team Lick My Pujols.
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 21, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

His name is a sentence
Albeit, a kind of gross one: I'll bare poo holes. Yuck. What were his parents thinking?!?!? (or is it just me?)
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by hairball on Feb 21, 2008 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: His name is a sentence
There's a goatse joke in there somewhere but I won't go there.
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 21, 2008 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I just made the mistake of going there
Well, a mirror anyway. Whatever innocence I had is gone forever.
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by hairball on Feb 21, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: I just made the mistake of going there
While you're at it, don't check out 2 girls 1 cup too.
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by Natto on Feb 21, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

AHHHHHHHHHH!
AHHHHHH MY EYES!!!!!
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by WalrusMan on Feb 21, 2008 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: His name is a sentence
That's similar to a guy I used to call Mr. Anatomy; Toe Knee Arm Ass.

by marklar on Feb 21, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Under the Radar Prospects
Villalona is already being moved to first, it appears:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/21/SPRSV5PT4.DTL

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by marcello on Feb 21, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Title
I really like Turpen and Paterson despite their unfortunate affiliation with Oregon State. I don't blame them for going to OSU since U of Oregon won't get their baseball program going until 2009 and the Beavers are a top team, but still. ew. Plus it's an awesome story with those two, being teammates in high school, then college, then both getting drafted by the same team the same year.

I've expressed my irrational optimism for Chad Rothford a few times here. That SK team had nothing in the way of a real standout prospect but had solid guys. I like Danny Otero from that team as well as Brock Bond, but those guys aren't really under the radar.

In the last few days there have been a few really good articles about Giants prospects in local media. Haft did a piece on Eugenio Velez (<3 Eugenio) on MLB.com and Schulman did one on the friendship and competition between Manny Burriss and Brian Bocock for the Chron. These are the stories I want to be writing. :(

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 21, 2008 9:09 AM PST reply actions  

the big Q
He's not totally unknown, David Quinowski, lefty sidearmer with filthy stats against hitters of both persuasions at low A and high A.  Shut down by an injury in June last year. I don't know how serious.  Was set-up guy rather than closer. Turns 22 soon, smallish, will he continue success at Conn.?  Stay tuned.
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by foothillsfan on Feb 21, 2008 9:34 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Title
I like Bocock, he's probably fun to watch at least.

I took this photo of him at the Futures Game making a nice run-and-throw play from short.

http://www.baycityball.com/photos/futures/004.jpg

by xanthan on Feb 21, 2008 10:43 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Title
I'll take Adam Witter.

As a fifth-year Senior signing, he gets no attention.  All he did was co-lead the NWL in home runs in his debut.  Then he skipped a level to San Jose, and batted .260/.342/.481, a solid but not impressive amount.

WHat makes me think there's a breakout waiting to happen is this: he was a left-handed hitter who was murdered by teh Muni.  At home, he batted .229/.316/.373 with six home runs.  On the road?  .286/.365/.571 with 12 home runs.

Add in that he has a respectable K/BB ratio (just over two) for a slugger, and you've got a guy who's not getting enough respect.  Sure, he'll be 25 this season, and he won't be a great contact hitter, but he's also a catcher, where the line is a lot lower than other positions.

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by BruteSentiment on Feb 21, 2008 10:48 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Title
The Giants prefer letting their catchers get really old before calling them up. But that .229/.316/.373 line isn't much worse than what Molina put up last year.
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by jasomack on Feb 21, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Which would you pick?
.229/.316/.373
.276/.298/.433
.287/.312/.425

Witter Home
Molina Total
Molina Home

I'm not sure what you're arguing here.  Bring Witter up right now?

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by WalrusMan on Feb 21, 2008 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of Top Prospect Lists...
There's one more than is almost done....SFDugout.com's Top 50!

We will start publishing the Top 10, wrapping it up next week, but here's the other 40 (actually, 41).

#50 - TIE - Travis Ishikawa and Eddy Martinez-Esteve
#49 - Matt Downs
#48 - Steven Calicutt
#47 - Billy Sadler
#46 - Pablo Sandoval
#45 - Danny Otero
#44 - Dan Griffin
#43 - Merkin Valdez
#42 - Brock Bond
#41 - Andy D'Alessio
#40 - Garrett Baker
#39 - Osiris Matos
#38 - Justin Hedrick
#37 - David Newton
#36 - Adam Witter
#35 - Geno Espineli
#34 - David Quinowski
#33 - Clay Timpner
#32 - Charlie Culberson
#31 - Jackson Williams
#30 - Taylor Wilding
#29 - Paul Oseguera
#28 - Juan Trinidad
#27 - Joe Martinez
#26 - Brian Horwitz
#25 - Waldis Joaquin
#24 - Adam Cowart
#23 - Sergio Romo
#22 - Eugenio Velez
#21 - Ben Copeland
#20 - Wilber Bucardo
#19 - Travis Denker
#18 - Kelvin Pichardo
#17 - Antoan Richardson
#16 - Ben Snyder
#15 - Manny Burriss
#14 - John Bowker
#13 - Kevin Pucetas
#12 - Brian Anderson
#11 - Dave McKae

Check out the list here.

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by BruteSentiment on Feb 21, 2008 10:51 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Speaking of Top Prospect Lists...
Hey I hear these are pretty good...
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 21, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Favorite Under Radar Dudes
I like Pablo Sandoval.  Sure he's hacktastic, but if he can keep throwing out 50% of base stealers and hit 15-20 big flies a year, then he'll do just fine.  

Horwitz is probably my favorite.  I've got a soft spot for guys that are short on talent and long on heart.  

I could see Turpen in the bullpen.  He's got such great life on his 2FB that he could make it with a halfway decent slider.  

D'Alessio of course is intriguing.  Maybe he can't breaking pitches, maybe he's an a**hole, but I just don't see how a guy with his upside could fall to the 18th round.  

 

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by orangeandblackattack on Feb 21, 2008 11:27 AM PST reply actions  

Prospects
Nick Noonan is supposedly well thought after, and he may get some looks this spring. He's one of those guys they throw around the infamous "Five tool" when they talk about. He had a monster final year in high school and went from college bound to MLB in a matter of months. Noonan has good speed (stole 18 bags in AZ last year), good defense (plays 2B and SS) with a questionable arm, and even though his power numbers were low (3 hr in AZ) his extra base hits (15) should translate into a little more power at the major league level. What suprises me, at least for a Giants prospect, is that his strength is usually listed as his bat. Apparently he's quite consistent with the stick, and from the articles I've read, most feel his bat, even now, is major league level.

One article I read even included these comments :
"He would be what you consider a five-tool player"

"reminiscent of Derek Jeter at that age"

"He understands the game very well. He's a student of the game"

Proof: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070522&content_id=1979209&vkey=draft2007&fext= .jsp

by OrangeJesus on Feb 21, 2008 11:34 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Prospects
However, given his draft position, Nick could hardly be called "under the radar."
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by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Feb 21, 2008 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Prospects
What is this strange feeling mixed with despair and cynicism? This post makes me a very happy Giants fan thanks.

by daveinexile on Feb 22, 2008 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Prospects
See, usually I only mix my despair and cynicism with rum. I don't know what the heck you're drinking.
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by howtheyscored on Feb 22, 2008 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Prospects
Kinda a Cuba-nonlibre?
I adopt Orlando Yntema, because I've blown out a knee once too.

by prospecthound on Feb 22, 2008 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

2 drinks
2 different kinds of Coke. Makes sense to me.
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by hairball on Feb 24, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm totally with you on Denker...
Though I realized at this moment I was pronouncing his name "den-eh-ker" in my head. Tangent.

Anyone who's young and doesn't suck, who helped one of our little teams to a championship and comes from the Dodgers is awesome in my book.

If anyone wants a copy, I'll autograph lata.

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by Andy from DC on Feb 21, 2008 12:38 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Title
Without researching it, I'll go with Waldis Joaquin -- who is BA's breakout choice for the Giants and has been mentioned by the good Dr. --, Sharlon Schoop, Justin Hedrick, the returning Perkin' Merkin Valdez, and the (hopefully) rebounding Billy Sadler.

Looking at Brute's prospect list, I think Billy at #47 is the most underrated.  When a guy has a good year, we tend to overrate him.  When he has a bad year, the opposite is often true.  Billy really struggled with his control, but he did rebound well after being demoted to Connecticut.

Just as Billy's former LSU teammate Brian Wilson rebounded from control difficulties and eventually found his way toward becoming the closer this season, I think Billy too will bounce back.

Dan Griffin could also be a bounceback candidate, although I agree that his star is dimming.

by sharksrog on Feb 21, 2008 1:09 PM PST reply actions  

favorite under-the-rader prospect
Ryan Paul, 6-foot-6, 225-pound lefthander, drafted out of Cal State Fullerton in the 10th round of 2006.

Low three-quarters slot

High 80's fastball and sweepy slider.

Too many walks like most Giants pitchers.

As a 22 year old in 2007 Paul posted a 2.72 ERA, 6.02 H/9, 7.77 K/9, 3.88 BB/9 in 46.1 IP in 34 games at San Jose.

by Cainer on Feb 21, 2008 1:36 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Title
Gatta love the Denker. I think I was first on that bandwagon, including the "revenge homer" against the Dodgers. Good stuff. If enough people believe in the Denker, perhaps it will be so...

Other than that: Eric Threets (but hardly under the radar).

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by Kid Fresh on Feb 21, 2008 2:54 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Title
If we're talking true dark horse, I'll go with Jesse English. If we're just shooting around guys we are pulling for/have a feeling about, I'll throw out Eddy ME.

by prospecthound on Feb 21, 2008 3:19 PM PST reply actions  

+1
English is one of my favorite wtf-is-up-with-him stories in the farm system.  I am not optimistic, but he simply murdered NWL hitters last year.  You've got to think he has a ghost of a shot still, despite kicking around for so long.

by wcw on Feb 21, 2008 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: +1
Murdered the NWL. I'm kind of surprised he wasn't picked up in the minor league Rule 5.

by Grant Brisbee on Feb 21, 2008 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: +1
Maybe English isn't off the radar enough.  How about- Orlando Yntema.

by prospecthound on Feb 22, 2008 6:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: +1
English is way, way, way off the radar to anyone who isn't a prospect nerd. I'm actually disappointed that I forgot about him, as he would have made my top five.

by Grant Brisbee on Feb 22, 2008 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: +1
The problem with being a prospect nerd is we are buried so deep in the farm system we use sonar, so we don't really have a frame of reference for radar.
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by prospecthound on Feb 22, 2008 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Title
JOEY MARTINEZ

Okay, not really but he's a BC grad so I've got to give him props. And I think everyone else in the system has been mentioned at this point. :)

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by jponry on Feb 21, 2008 4:18 PM PST reply actions  

Namae
Joey Joe Joe has a great last name. :)
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 22, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Title
  1.  Alex Hinshaw got hurt early last season, but check out the numbers he was putting up in CT.  He was reportedly OK in instructional league.  I have his autograph on a baseball that a mutual friend gave me.
  2.  Not sure why, but I have a suspicion that we could see a breakout season for Wilmin Rodriquez.
  3.  If Jose Valdez ever gets it together, he will be a great one.
  4.  17 yo Hector Sanchez put up some mighy fine looking numbers in the DSL, a pretty extreme pitcher's league last summer.

by DrBGiantsfan on Feb 21, 2008 5:39 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Under the Radar? or just too young...
I'll go with Julio Izturis.  In the DSL he had 36 SBs in 67 games and took 30 walks in 232 ABs.  Plus that 'baseball pedigree' and all that jazz.  And he turns 18 this year (in Aug).

I don't how much of a 'breakout' to expect, as he's probably a long way away from AA, but if he can make it out of the AZL I'd consider it a breakout.  

And along the lines of extremely young little brothers, I'm also interested in seeing what Jorge Bucardo does.  He had a 5.6:1 K:BB in the DSL.  He turns 19 this year, so maybe his age will come into play.  

I don't know if these two are 'under the radar' or just so far down the system that they aren't relevant yet.  But when your team is full of 26 year old in AA regularly, that 17 years of age is appealing.  I guess this is like taking a HS draftees as a your breakout pick.

by chefasaurus on Feb 21, 2008 6:32 PM PST reply actions  

Damn straight!
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by hairball on Feb 21, 2008 11:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Damn straight!
How long is the adoption process?  Is it competitive like chinese babies?

by chefasaurus on Feb 22, 2008 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Damn straight!
The process has become much more lax since I stopped feeling like a Nazi about it. I think as long as the guy or gal exists in the Giants org, and nobody else has him or her, and you know how to modify a wiki page, it's pretty much up for grabs.
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by howtheyscored on Feb 22, 2008 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

About as intimidating as a house frau
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by Moggeee on Feb 25, 2008 12:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Under the Radar? or just too young...
I developed a hugely irrational exhuberance following Jorge Bucardo's DSL exploits last year. I think he's going to blow up stateside in '09 (figure AZL for '08).  I also think Kelvin Marte could take a Henry Sosa-like path in the next couple of years. He's a little old for the DSL(19 last year), but 91 Ks and 14 BBs in 61 IP (with an .82 WHIP) qualifies as domination.

I've also been on the Jesse English bandwagon for a few years. And, of course, my baby boy Pablito I fully expect to be the EL's All Star catcher this year.

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Feb 25, 2008 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Witter
I agree with the Adam Witter talk.  Look- I'm not trying to be all Moneyball with things... I mean, that's so 2002, but he's one of those guys who's produced on every level he's ever been at.

He gets the job done.  The only downside is that the organization wants to pump up their younger guys and Witter has to do what he does with part time work behind the plate.  At the beginning of last season when he struggled- it was mostly in situations where he never knew if he was even going to play.

If you look at his splits after June 1 or so- they are as good as anybodies.  If it weren't for a late season slump he would look even better.

The real key for him his getting off to a good start.  In both seasons in the minors so far- he's been too slow out of the gate.

by kickntrue on Feb 21, 2008 6:44 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Witter
AA is a bigger jump than short season to high A.  CT will be the big test for Witter.  If he does well there, then he's a legitimate prospect.  I look at his .266 BA in the Cal League and can't help thinking that translates into something south of .220 in the EL, but then again, John Bowker beat the odds.

by DrBGiantsfan on Feb 22, 2008 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Title
technically aristotle wouldn't be "proud" because pride is not a virtue.  it's at the vicious end of the humility continuum.

artistotle would most likely be pleased.

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by The Gene Hackman on Feb 21, 2008 6:53 PM PST reply actions  

Great topic
Thomas Neal is a good call. I'm really hoping he starts every day in right for Augusta. BA said he had "light-tower power" at one point, and he's still pretty young.

But Waldis Joaquin is my guy. Mid-90s fastball, snappy slider, 21 years old. He's still young enough to learn a changeup that keeps him in the rotation.

It's far off, but two Dominican leaguers are real interesting -- Jorge Bucardo and Hector Sanchez, both of whom will be 18 this year. I'm hoping they play in one of the U.S. leagues this summer.

by Dan from NM on Feb 21, 2008 8:12 PM PST reply actions  

Interesting aside
Apparently Wilber Bucardo convinced his brother Jorge to sign with the Giants, even though he was being offered more money elsewhere.  And Jorge is supposed to be a real flamethrower to boot.  
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by orangeandblackattack on Feb 22, 2008 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Interesting aside
The team really is turning into quite a success story at finding Latin arms. Much as the system has gotten the rep that it is poor at developing position players, which has hurt recruiting, their rep as one of the best pitching destinations has been a boon to hurler recruitment.

by prospecthound on Feb 22, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Title
Marcus Sanders.  Stayed healthy, will get his groove back this year.
I adopt Hector Sanchez. Because he's 17 and it delays the inevitable disappointment that much longer.

by GobearsGogiants on Feb 22, 2008 6:45 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Title
Earning himself the nickname "Stella?"  

by sharksrog on Feb 22, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Title
Man that movie was WAY more upbeat than the prequel, "How Stella Lost Her Groove Back."
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 22, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Title
Both were much better than the sequel "How Stella Got Back 2 The Streets".
Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Feb 22, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Option 3
Did you ever think that they're playing those two to start off the season in hopes of them having a good first half, and possibly being able to trade them away?

by SabeanSupporter on Feb 23, 2008 12:02 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Option 3
An argument that we've seen proponents of the last two years. The problem is that the front office has never seemed to have any interest in the showcasing and trading of vets.
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Feb 23, 2008 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

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