The S.S. Bad Lineup
The new rage - from the Chronicle to the New York Times - is the "OMG: Giants' Clubhouse Is Way Different and Better Without Bonds"-article. This brings us to story time. Gather around in a circle as I spin a short yarn. Milk and cookies are optional.
I once worked with the most unbearable person in the world. You can bring your contender to the table, but my guy wins. The National Salesman Anti-Defamation League's efforts are almost completely negated by this one man, who continually reinforces every awful stereotype laid upon salespeople. He dressed in million-dollar suits and had crazy-gel hair. He constantly winked. He would talk loudly on his cell phone about his weekend conquests. He would eat your lunch if you left it in the fridge and then lie about it. And if it meant a $25 commission, he would sell $40,000 worth of merchandise for $90,000 to someone who could only afford $1,000.
He was/is a truly awful man. Almost sociopathic, now that I think of it. He also had the best sales numbers the company had ever seen. It was fiscal paradise for the company while he was there.
He left to get into the mortgage business. I'm sure that's working out well for his clients right now. When he left, everyone celebrated. People thought his numbers were negated by the poor morale in his division. The company replaced him with a very pleasant guy who couldn't sell beer to a fraternity. Sales numbers plummeted. There was chaos. Regional managers took the fall, but only after the on-site managers went down in flames first.
This isn't an analogy. This is an anecdote. I've been sitting on it for a few years, waiting for just the right moment to relate it to Bonds. And I give this chummy-go-lucky clubhouse feeling about two months before the eventual anarchy sets in. This might be the worst lineup we'll see the Giants field in our lifetimes. About half of the lineup will have below-average numbers for a shortstop. The other half will probably hit like average to above-average shortstops. This is a lineup of shortstops. Except for the shortstop, that is, who's like a second pitcher. It's going to be ugly. Teams that lose ugly usually don't have great chemistry.
I hope I'm wrong. I really do. But I'm also really sick of the "Yay, Clubhouse Spirit!"-articles.
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by ResDog on Feb 15, 2008 12:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I found the swagger!
All it needs is an SF logo and change the person/face under the hat to one of our guys (I can DEFINITELY picture Timmeh or Omar)
Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy
by hairball on Feb 15, 2008 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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The guy even almost looks like him.*
*Not necessarily a fact
by groug on Feb 15, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by notanotherPMLV on Feb 15, 2008 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Kitspool on Feb 15, 2008 12:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Grant on Feb 15, 2008 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Feb 15, 2008 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Feb 15, 2008 12:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Gamers: Players who don't mind losing as long as they are more comfortable in the clubhouse.
by mxmob33 on Feb 15, 2008 12:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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...Then I saw that Molina really was going to be our 4 spot hitter. This whole off season I thought that had just been a joke.
by Scottsdale on Feb 15, 2008 12:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by WilliamVanLandingham on Feb 15, 2008 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by daveinexile on Feb 16, 2008 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Or maybe it's just his way of saying to Sabean, "Get me some real hitters, dammit!"
by Evan on Feb 15, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Maybe your old boss is with the company that boasts of being "nice people, too"? Gotta love the KNBR ads.
by out machine on Feb 15, 2008 1:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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To be even worse (relative to league average) than the '85 team, the Giants would have to score 40 runs fewer than last year. Unless Winn and Rowand collide in the outfield and knock each other out for a couple of months, I don't think they can do it.
by Evan on Feb 15, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Feb 15, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Evan on Feb 15, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by out machine on Feb 15, 2008 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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No way that bunch sucked anywhere near as bad as this one will.
by trapper9 on Feb 15, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by wcovington on Feb 16, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Aadik on Feb 15, 2008 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by wcovington on Feb 16, 2008 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I wanted to mention how hard it'll be to keep the team as healthy as it was last year, but injuries to half of our players won't hurt our offense.
by jasomack on Feb 15, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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That is, without any doubt, the saddest thing I have heard in my life.
by Cookyman on Feb 15, 2008 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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OPS+:
1985 - 89
2007 - 89
HR:
1985 - 115, 8th of 12
2007 - 131, 14th of 16
Runs:
1985 - 556, 12th of 12
2007 - 683, 15th of 16
BA/OBP/SLG:
1985 - 12th/12th/11th
2007 - 14th/14th/16th
Park Factor:
1985 - 92 (favors pitchers)
2007 - 100 (neutral)
The 2007 team ran a whole lot better, but really, there's no way you can convince me that the 2007 team was superior, given park and league context, to the 1985 team. We are about to witness the worst offense of our lifetimes.
What kills me, right now, is that there's blurb after blurb (on espn.com, etc.) about how historically bad the Giants' offense will be, and not one freaking mention (like in the last eight years) of how the 2000 Giants had perhaps the best offense of the past thirty years.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SFG/2000.shtml
I know it's not topical now, but man, that team went down the memory hole. .278/.362/.472 in an extreme pitchers' park! That team had better collective numbers, including pitchers, than our best freaking hitter has in his career!
I'm going to go cry now. Again.
by antinous on Feb 15, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Evan on Feb 15, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That '85 team was beyond wretched
Look at these pitching lines:
Dave LaPoint: 7-17, 3.57
Atlee Hammaker: 5-12, 3.74
Mike Krukow: 8-11, 3.38
Bill Laskey: 5-11, 3.55
Jim Gott: 7-10, 3.88
Sure, ERAs were generally lower then, but still, geez Louise, it's like they had a whole rotation of Matt Cains.
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Feb 15, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More on '85
Mark Davis sported a 3.54 as a reliever - and went 5-12.
The team ERA was 3.61, good for 6th best in the league, and the staff was was 2nd in the league in strikeouts.
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Feb 15, 2008 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by giantsrainman on Feb 15, 2008 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by sectionop92 on Feb 15, 2008 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Your story brought back lots of memories. By the way, I was only winking at you.
Love ya baby!
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by Goofus on Feb 15, 2008 1:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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"John, I need you to get me a 1500-word article about the Giants' prospects for the year. I need it by Sunday night. Make it positive."
"But, sir, they're going to suck."
"I know that, and you know that, but we have to try to at least appear supportive. Remember. Circulation. Job security. Got it?"
"Ohhh-kay. Well, my understanding is that Bengie Molina is going to be their fourth-place hit---"
"What?!?!? Molina? Cleanup? He runs like Stephen Hawking! All right. Just come up with a good angle."
Man. Tough job...
by Van Smack on Feb 15, 2008 1:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by jponry on Feb 15, 2008 1:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
winning is the best medicine
Baseball teams win because they have people who are good at playing baseball. As a fan, that's all I ask for. Bonds was the best, but got too old and too injured and team management thought that meant it needed to add more players who were too old and too injured to be good at playing baseball. that's why they lost. They didn't lose because all of a sudden Bonds became a jerk.
Of course, remove Bonds from the team and its a different team. Duh! The Giants are also different because Feliz is gone. Where are those articles? Hey, news flash: Different players, different team!
Baseball writers write this crap because they aren't intelligent enough to come up with anything interesting to say.
by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 15, 2008 1:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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I got my priorities all outta whack.
by lrs77 on Feb 15, 2008 1:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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They lose the NFC's best RB -- a Negative-Nancy, egomaniac coach-basher -- to retirement, and their hot-shot TE -- who happens to be a key offensive contributor and major locker room distraction -- goes down with an injury 3/4 through the season. One might say that their team would struggle. Not so. They proceed to steam-roll their opponents all winter long, using determination and a new-found confidence, until they bully the New England Bullies to complete their champoinship run and polish off a season for the ages.
Couldn't that be us?
Just kidding, we're gonna suck.
by Woody Wins on Feb 15, 2008 2:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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These two stories are significantly different.
by howtheyscored on Feb 15, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is just no news...
We've heard all offseason about the lack of hitting, so we can't really just keep talking about THAT. Just give it a few days.
by hummbaby on Feb 15, 2008 2:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A Lineup of shortstops?
by Cookyman on Feb 15, 2008 2:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Feb 15, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Pasadena Giant on Feb 15, 2008 4:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Also, he's not a good hitter.
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by E Ticket on Feb 15, 2008 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Hari Kari
by daveinexile on Feb 16, 2008 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by wcovington on Feb 16, 2008 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
STOP THE PRESSES!
OMG DRESSING CODES WILL MAKE ALL TEH DIFFERENCES!!1!
Ugh.
You know you suck when entire articles are being written about attire.
by Anticon23 on Feb 15, 2008 5:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by jponry on Feb 15, 2008 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I'm a full fledged high sock supporter. I know that Sanchez and Zito wear them. Did Lincecum wear them last year occasionally? Or is that just my bad memory?
High socks = awesome.
by xanthan on Feb 15, 2008 6:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by jponry on Feb 15, 2008 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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The pain still lingers. Lucky there was plenty of Budwieser.
by Moggeee on Feb 16, 2008 1:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've always liked the high sock as well.
by WalrusMan on Feb 15, 2008 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 16, 2008 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't going to comment on that story...
by WalrusMan on Feb 15, 2008 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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We have a better OF that SD unless they put Antonelli in there. And we need to rob them of Blanks or Huffman before Alderson tells that retard Towers how to do his job again.
by sectionop92 on Feb 15, 2008 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Anticon23 on Feb 16, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Anticon23 on Feb 17, 2008 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Molina WILL NOT be the cleanup hitter come opening day! It's not going to happen. Everyone say it! Manifest that reality!
by RUSirius on Feb 15, 2008 5:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Of course Molina will be the cleanup hitter
by WalrusMan on Feb 15, 2008 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Seriously, a Crede deal seems very possible, and then there's your cleanup man. Chavez seems like a player Sabean would go for, it would just depend on who was offered, but I doubt it will come to that.
by RUSirius on Feb 15, 2008 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think a Crede deal...
Durham 638 OPS, 781 STOPS (I like that abbrev.)
Aurilia 672 OPS, 850 STOPS
Unless they OPS like they did in the regular season I think it'll be Durham 2B/Frandsen 3B or Frandsen 2B/Aurilia 3B.
by WalrusMan on Feb 15, 2008 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I think a Crede deal...
(1) Molina can not bat fourth -- if only because he'll clog the basepaths;
(2) Crede is not a #4 hitter, he is a #6 or #7.
by wcovington on Feb 16, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I think a Crede deal...
I hope we don't get a "bigger Chisox deal," because:
(1) It's not going to help us win anything next year unless..
(2) We trade away Cain/Lincecum.
by WalrusMan on Feb 16, 2008 11:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I think a Crede deal...
by wcovington on Feb 17, 2008 7:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I think a Crede deal...
by chefasaurus on Feb 17, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by KCDrummer82 on Feb 18, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Batting Crede clean up...
Molinia has 486 P.A's above the 6th hole out of a career 3654 P.A.'s. That comes out to 87% of his P.A.'s were bottom of the order. So Molina has a better track record and thus a better ( though not good) bet to handle a hart of the order spot.
Given this is an organization that highly values experience what makes you think Crede, if obtained, automatically replaces Molina when they are on the field at the same time?
by daveinexile on Feb 16, 2008 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by victor frankenstein on Feb 15, 2008 6:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Quote of Year so far
Totally LMAO. More Grit? Rooster Cogburn died almost thirty years ago, and Thighler evidently thinks the stretching rule is the distance between the KFC talking menu and the pick-up window.
You know why Thighler is a big fan of Rowand?
"... He was known as a unifier in Chicago and Philadelphia, a guy who would invite 15 teammates to dinner and pick up the tab."
Now he can just take out Thighler. He'll still have to pick up 15 tabs.
by E Ticket on Feb 15, 2008 7:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Totally awesome Warrior Spirit
by E Ticket on Feb 15, 2008 7:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Totally awesome Warrior Spirit
Age: 42 (a tad old, but still, it'll make Omar feel young and spry)
Warrior spirit: Yes. Had an impassioned shouting match during a pick-up basketball game on Wednessday.
Gamer: Yes. Played in a softball playoff game with a torn groin--against medical advice! See, aren't I gritty?
Defense: Excellent (for a 42-year-old with a bum shoulder)
Ability to do the little things: Excellent bunter
Hitting ability: Frightfully little
Call Sabean and Rowland...I'm in! And I'll remember the little people once I make it (:
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by Dan from NM on Feb 15, 2008 10:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by drysdalecousin on Feb 15, 2008 10:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Young prospects can come and play
Can't put it off another day
I don't care what others say
They say Sabean doesn't listen anyway
Time has come today
Oh
The rules have changed today (Hey)
I have no place to stay (Hey)
I'm thinking about the subway (Hey)
My love has flown away (Hey)
My tears have come and gone (Hey)
Oh my Lord, I have to roam (Hey)
I have no home (Hey)
I have no home (Hey)
(LOLing while envisioning BB)
Now the time has come (Time)
There's no place to run (Time)
I might get burned up by the sun (Time)
But I had my fun (2002)
I've been loved and put aside (Time)
I've been crushed by the tumbling tide (Time)
And my soul has been psychedelicized (Time)
Yeah , and pills alone ain't workin'.
Hope you've got a full fridge , Boozer...
by victor frankenstein on Feb 18, 2008 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Big Country eh?
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by baetown415 on Feb 15, 2008 10:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by groug on Feb 15, 2008 11:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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With the trial it's actually better that he's not around, but all other things being equal he would have easily been the best offseason signing we could have made. Though with the Rowand signing it still would have been slight OF overkill.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2008 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by kennv on Feb 16, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What? You want to root for last years team??!??!
by Make me an Offer on Feb 15, 2008 10:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: What?
by Moggeee on Feb 16, 2008 1:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: What?
by wcovington on Feb 16, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to root for last years team.
I assume you're talking about Barry and steroids, by the way.
I'll enjoy rooting for Frandsen and Ortmeier and (ugh) Rowand (certainly NOT Crede, though), and Lewis and Davis when they get to play, and even Aurilia and Vizquel, and definitely definitely the pitchers. But I can't tell you with a straight face that I'll enjoy any of it anywhere near as much as I enjoyed watching even a crippled, nationally crucified Barry Bonds play.
Though I'm pretty close with Cain. Hot damn I like that guy.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2008 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I want to root for last years team.
HTH
by tk on Feb 16, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I want to root for last years team.
From now on I resolve that my fuzzy feelings will always be accompanied by the shameless cutification of somebody's name.
by howtheyscored on Feb 17, 2008 12:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by jponry on Feb 16, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a happy spectator!
by howtheyscored on Feb 17, 2008 12:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/15/SPC6V3GEN.DTL
Let's start Zito on Opening Day so Lowry, not Lincecum, can be slotted as the #3 pitcher. Meaning Zito-Cain-Lowry-Lincecum-Correia/Sanchez looks better than Cain-Zito-Lincecum-Lowry-Correia/Sanchez.
Actually, that might only be a few more wins this season where the Giants look like they'll end up 20 games out. so whatever
by baetown415 on Feb 15, 2008 11:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by oldrips on Feb 16, 2008 8:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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If they don't write the "we are family" stories, the only other story is "07 Giants - Bonds - Feliz + Rowand = 76 Buccaneers x 92 Sharks. And they can't do that.
I agree that if the team wins no one cares how many fights Bonds and Jeff Kent get into, etc. OTOH, given that the Bonds era produced a total of 0 World Series rings (poor Greg Anderson, to whom Barry made the Giants promise to supply one) maybe a different left fielder would have been less of a "de-motivational plaque" in the clubhouse. I'm sure no one here will ever agree with that, but the proof's on the flagpoles in the outfield.
BB
by BlackDougal on Feb 16, 2008 5:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
They can focus on Matt Cain
Write "off the field" stories about Cains' taste in music, movies, food, etc.
They can focus on the fact that the Giants will have a full season of Tim Lincecum. Point to his sensational numbers from the minors. Point at the fact that in his rookie year, he was already a good pitcher. Point at his K rate. Gush about his stuff.
Write "off the field" stories about Lincecum.
Or would that make Sabean look like an idiot, since he considered trading Lincecum for Alex Rios?
The Willie Mays era also produced 0 WS rings. Maybe this says something about the entire Bonds family? Or not.
by rfloh on Feb 16, 2008 6:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: They can focus on Matt Cain
Willie Mays played in three world series as a Giant including 1954, which they won. I think he made a good catch in one game too. I don't believe he is related to the Bonds' by blood.
BB
by BlackDougal on Feb 16, 2008 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Meant Mays as a SF Giant
They could point to Cain's ERA. That's the record too. ERA is not some new fangled complex stat.
They could point to the fact that Cain is the SAME AGE, a few months younger actually, than the highly touted Clay Buchholz. They could point to the fact that Cain is only 1 year older than the highly touted Phil Hughes. They could point out that Cain is only 1 year older than the highly touted Joba Chamberlain.
They could point out that Cain's MLB record dwarfs the MLB record of all these highly touted prospects combined.
by rfloh on Feb 16, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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How would that work? Exactly?
By that illogic, the Giants should never have had Willie Mays on the team. MSM constantly carped at his "hot dogging" style. Same with McCovey. His running style was alluded to as "lazy" by MSM.
That the Giants never won a world series because the most dominant player of the modern era kicked other teams' ass, but was not nice to MSM in the locker room all of the time?
A lot of superstars are prima donnas. This society grants that status to entertainers, media celebrities and politicians all the time; with the collaboration of, if not the very creation by, the exact same assholes in MSM that bitch and moan about Bonds and other celebrities in the first place.
You think that little cunt Mark Wada would have an ESPN gig if not for the granting of prima donna status on Barry Bonds by the same MSM asses from which he has been excreted? You think his own mincing quasi-celebrity fifteen-minutes-of-fame would have been conferred if he wrote an "expose" on Alex Sanchez?
You think they would keep up their lying and misrepresentation and non-contextualizing if the typical thought-retarded sports fans who willingly allow their prejudices to be manipulated by the MSM would finally grow some spine and brain cells and actually question the motives of people who make a living scandalizing other humans? And buy the sophistry of "clubhouse chemistry" from a MSM mouthpiece?
No. They would be out the door and down the road. But its guys like you who never challenge the veracity of MSM opinions created by people who have agendas that are other than honorable.
The MSM has been leading you around by your pubes and your opinions show it.
by E Ticket on Feb 16, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by wcovington on Feb 16, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Like the way a hurricane blows your roof off is refreshing.
by Moggeee on Feb 16, 2008 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by victor frankenstein on Feb 18, 2008 9:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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And the flagpoles are proof of something, alright. It just has nothing to do with Bonds.
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by jponry on Feb 16, 2008 1:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
CAPTION!
by WalrusMan on Feb 16, 2008 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: CAPTION!
by victor frankenstein on Feb 18, 2008 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pulling out all the stops, and the jersey
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by E Ticket on Feb 17, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by wcovington on Feb 16, 2008 3:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Let's collect one-liners about salesmen
"He was voted most likely to sell his mother if marginal revenue exceeded marginal cost."
by achiappanza on Feb 17, 2008 1:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Fantastic! Maybe this year they won't bother playing baseball and just focus on a reality TV series.
by blank on Feb 17, 2008 9:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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I think this year's big increase will come from Ray Durham -- in great part because he has the most room to rebound.
Incidentally, my second choice for 2007 would have been Guillermo Rodriguez, who while he didn't hit all that well, probably hit at the top of reasonable exectations for his performance.
Rich Aurilia would be my second choice for 2008. Most of the Giants' young players last season hit as well as would be expected or even better.
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