Sabean on KNBR...
by TrojanCBB on Dec 9, 2008 6:03 PM PST
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Sabean flat out said that the team has not made any contact with Sabathia and isn't all that interested. He also said that he doesn't think Texiera is a franchise player who should get franchise money. Did have great things to say about the Big Unit though. Not that I was really all that interested in the Giants picking up texeira, but to flat out say they have no interest in Sabathia just sucks.
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Sabes still playing it close to the vest.
by wilriv21 on Dec 9, 2008 6:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
his supremely confident vest!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 9, 2008 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seeeeeeeee hiiiiiiiiiiiis vest! See his vest!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 9, 2008 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
made from real gorilla’s chest
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Dec 9, 2008 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Feel this sweater, there’s no better
Than authentic Irish Setter.
Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!
by j14 on Dec 9, 2008 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
grizzly bear underwear!
Evening wear vampire bat
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 9, 2008 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
these white slippers are albino
African endangered rhino
by Viliphied on Dec 9, 2008 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Try my red robin suit
It comes one breast or two
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Dec 9, 2008 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
classic
mmm mmm simpsons (when they were good)
by Giant Voodoo on Dec 9, 2008 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
see my loafers? Former gophers…it was that or skin my chafuers…but a greyhound fur tuxedo would be best…
by tyrannoman on Dec 10, 2008 7:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“I really like the vest!”
“Yes sir…so I gathered.”
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Dec 10, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
whoo Big Unit!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 9, 2008 6:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That’s what you said!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 9, 2008 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This doesn't make sense
Everybody in the baseball world except Brian Sabean keeps saying the Giants are interested in Sabathia.
I hope he’s just trying to be a good businessman, because even if we added Cantu/Encarnacion/Blalock, this team as it stands right now is not very good.
by Useful_Idiot on Dec 9, 2008 6:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
Those italics went a bit crazy on me
by Useful_Idiot on Dec 9, 2008 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Guess you’re not even “useful” huh?
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Dec 9, 2008 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interestingly
He also basically said he’s not interested in Cantu/Encarnacion/Blalock, because they’re all flawed players and the amount he’d have to give up to get them would be too much.
The best part, though, was mentioning that EE is referred to as E5. Haha!
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Dec 9, 2008 11:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that the Brass knows better than the to sign a long term $100M+ deal with a free agent pitcher, particularly because they already have one who sucks.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 9, 2008 6:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
man, just think, if we hadn’t signed Zito…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 9, 2008 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Weren’t the Mets second in the Zito sweepstakes? That would have been enjoyable.
by cheno on Dec 9, 2008 7:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I’d feel bad for Zito. The firestorm he’d be putting up with in NY right now would probably make him kill himself.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 9, 2008 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, if he was that weak he’d have killed himself already. Or more likely quit. This guy was wedded to this image of himself as a good guy, everybody’s friend, convinced he was that person. Then halfway through April you got one nut on SFGate (granted, it’s SFGate) calling for his murder, and a month ago Ostler names him one of the 5 most hated sports figures in the Bay Area. I’d have suicided-by-cop a long time ago. It would be goddamn inspiring if he just, like, won more than eleven games for 18 mil/yr.
by shanghaijim on Dec 9, 2008 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we HADN'T signed Zito...
Lincecum wouldn’t have won the Cy Young Award this year. Never underestimate the power of veteran leadership. Plus, Zito will probably win 44 games over the next three seasons.
by StickRat on Dec 9, 2008 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry, I forgot it’s wrong to feel sorry for him on this site.
by shanghaijim on Dec 9, 2008 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, my comments were pretty much in response to the initial jponry comment. I’m impressed with your synopsis on Zito’s image in the SF media. Wasn’t trying to detract from in at all.
by StickRat on Dec 9, 2008 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, okay. My bad. Just the way it read made it seem like you were putting words in my mouth, and of the two things I like put in my mouth, words aren’t either one of them…
by shanghaijim on Dec 9, 2008 11:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/golfclap
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 10, 2008 12:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
let me guess
… the other would be PIE. Like the rest of us.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Dec 10, 2008 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was sarcasm, right?
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 10, 2008 12:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just heard it as well.
He sounded like a douche this time lol.
Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
by ejdacanay on Dec 9, 2008 6:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol “this time”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 9, 2008 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
listening to it right now
thanks for the heads up
by Cainer on Dec 9, 2008 6:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't bother me that much
As much as I’d like to have Sabathia, can we really afford him? I’m with jponry in saying “yeah” to the Big Unit.
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Dec 9, 2008 6:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that’s what she said
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Dec 9, 2008 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 9, 2008 6:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ralph is an idiot
Give Texy a 10 year deal for whatever he wants! Yeah. The Rockies gave a 27 year old Todd Helton a 9-year extension and are they regretting it. And he was a way bigger stud than Texeira. A guy gets hurt or his production mysteriously declines and you’re totally fucked.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 9, 2008 7:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ralph is an idiot
remember: this is the guy who wants Joe Morgan to manage the Giants
probably because Joe Morgan takes his phone calls or some shit.
Ralph is an idiot.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 9, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ralph's idiocy
I enjoyed how Sabes caught himself talking about players under contract to other teams, and said he shouldn’t be saying anything. At that point, a thinking human being figures he’s not going to talk more about these guys, but Ralph goes ahead and throws out more names!
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Dec 9, 2008 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ralph also...
… backed the Lincecum rumors last year.
by sfgfan on Dec 10, 2008 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ralph said Molina “clogs the bases”
lol.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 9, 2008 7:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bochy may revisit
With Sandoval hitting third and BMoney hitting cleanup Lewis is going to be “settling” for plenty of singles. Sandoval is the better hitter however Lewis is the better OBP and faster runner so could possibly replace each other in line-up yet maintain the left/right/left Bochy likes.
by wilriv21 on Dec 9, 2008 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
Batting Molina in front of Lewis is insanity!
Check out The Examined Life. Or don't. Whatever.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 10, 2008 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
After he clears them, AMIRITE?
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
by ResDog on Dec 9, 2008 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He must have been getting the bases mixed up with the toilet.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 9, 2008 11:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ralph asked about getting Salty
Sabes rightfully schooled him on the baseball biz.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 9, 2008 7:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was rolling when Ralph busted out "Saltamacchia" out of the blue
NT
by R I O T on Dec 9, 2008 7:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I loved when Sabean laughed at that question and asked, “WHY?” Awesome.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Dec 9, 2008 11:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just about the only time I like Sabean
is when he is being interviewed by Tom and Ralph.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on Dec 10, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tom didn’t even know whether Mad Bum or TimA went to college. I mean, do some homework before asking questions.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 10, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MadBum and TimA will throw some innings with the big club in ST
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 9, 2008 7:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully in “A” games and in the first few innings when the opponent are playing their regulars.
by wilriv21 on Dec 9, 2008 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure. Perfect time for them to get in a few innings against real MLB hitters.
Is it Feburary 16th yet? Man, I miss baseball.
by tyrannoman on Dec 10, 2008 7:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
couple more tidbits
Sabes said that Posey will be here a lot faster than even the developmental guys thinks. His bat will get him here more than his catching, but he’s a quick study and a good athlete and is good at calling games. that’s vague and probably not that surprising.
MadBum and TimA are on a Matt Cain-style fast track.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 9, 2008 7:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting on Posey
Earlier the organization was thinking 300 minor league games for Posey which would put ETA around 2011. Now it seems Sabean wants to push that up to 2010.
No need to push Bumgarner. Alderson has at least pitched at Advanced A ball and AA awaits the kid. If excels there could see soon.
by wilriv21 on Dec 9, 2008 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Sabean's assessment of Posey was awfully strange
He said that the team was impressed with his advanced defense, but Posey struggled mightily and ended up being recalled from Hawaii to work on his catching. Something doesn’t add up.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Dec 11, 2008 12:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good stuff
Thanks everyone for the run down. Bringing in The Big Ugly seems like a perfect move to eat innings and not strain the bullpen. I hope it happens regardless of the CC situation
by Jeff Kent's Stache on Dec 9, 2008 7:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Same bullshit every year
when the season ended, Sabean talked about how he would be able to upgrade the offense without sacrificing his important players by seeking out FA’s and arb eligible players that other teams can’t afford. Then halfway through he offseason he’s dumbfounded that he can’t get anybody. Moron.
Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment
by rxmeister on Dec 9, 2008 7:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It was pretty uncomfortable listing to this.
I always check out KNBR online whenever they interview someone having to do with the Giants, and noticed in the past how Sabean and Ralph are ususally pretty friendly, with Sabean having a weekly show on their during the season.
But that interview was anything but friendly. Sabean did not seem happy to be on there today. Ralphs always been an idiot, but Sabean was rather dick-ish today. He usually will humor Ralph when he asks his saltalamacchia like questions but this time he just laughed.
by kvdp12 on Dec 9, 2008 7:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ouch
yeah, that wasnt a pleasent interview. I will say this, as much as an idiot Ralph can be, I did appreciatte his pressuring of Sabean on why signing Texeria for 10, or 8, years made less sense than Zito for 7. That was probably about the time the interview started to go dowhill….
by uber on Dec 9, 2008 8:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but what is Sabean supposed to say?? The obvious answer is that Zito was a mistake and they don’t want to repeat that mistake, but how is he supposed to say that when Zito is still on his ballclub??
Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment
by rxmeister on Dec 9, 2008 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
That’s a pretty dick move by Wiggum.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 9, 2008 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He gets more unbearable with each passing year.
by oldjacket on Dec 9, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s edgy. Just ask him.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on Dec 10, 2008 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that’s right. he can’t rip the Zito signing because Zito’s still on the club and the idiot who signed him is himself. But then again, we all know that was a horrible signing and repeating that is just beating a dead horse at this point. At least, it sounds as if Sabean learned the lesson from that tragic mistake.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 9, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that’s when I turned it off. I can usually tolerate Ralph but today he was being a major A-hole! If I was sabean I would have hung up on him.
Proud father of Eric Surcamp!
by The Thrill on Dec 9, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean seems frustrated
It seems like he thought he had some deal in place and the bottom fell out so he is lurching, Stand pat. Don’t lose too much money at the tables. Do not eat too much at the fine restaurants. Avoid the CarrotTop show. And come home.
by wilriv21 on Dec 9, 2008 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wait wait
AVOID the CarrotTop show?
Boys! come back! It’s a trap!
by Giant Voodoo on Dec 9, 2008 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Listening to that interview, it sounded like Sabean isn’t going to do anything at all. He pretty much ripped all the offensive players that have been linked to the Giants, so it’s going to be improving the pitching staff or nothing at all. By the way, if that’s the way they go, I completely agree with it.
Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment
by rxmeister on Dec 9, 2008 8:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he wants to telegraph any moves. I could still see them signing someone who could help, like Joe Crede (for example, if Crede will take a reasonable 1-year deal). But a lot of the big names need to be signed to firm up the market and then the rest of the dominoes will start to fall.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 9, 2008 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aurillia
Sabean also mentioned Richie coming back to back up 3rd and 1st. Previous word had been that Richie was most certainly not coming back, but today he made it sound as if it was more of a possibility. That’d be a solid signing.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 9, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Si
Aurilia as a veteran presence, utility player and RHH pinch-hitter would help this team.
by wilriv21 on Dec 9, 2008 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aurilia should finish he career as a Giant. I get as caught up in the legacy of Omar Vizquel as anyone, however it is a travesty that Aurilia’s legacy gets overlooked. Rich Aurilia = Greatest Shortstop in SF Giants History.
by StickRat on Dec 9, 2008 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Phone for you...
Mike Benjamin wants to have a few words with you.
Leading the Pro-Aaron Rowand contingent on the McC!
You can ridicule me in 2009 if you like...
by ThrillisGone22 on Dec 10, 2008 8:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Benjamin was the greatest SS of ALL TIME...
For one series at Wrigley!
You probably know it as MYANMAR, but it will always be BURMA to me!
by NuschlerFace on Dec 10, 2008 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hal Lanier thinks you're crazy
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Dec 10, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He also said that he doesn’t think Texiera is a franchise player who should get franchise money.
This is wrong
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 9, 2008 8:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
perhaps, but Tex is a self-stated “east coast guy” and for him to sign in SF it would take franchise money to the 5th degree.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 9, 2008 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Todd Helton was a franchise player, too.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 9, 2008 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So?
I’m not recommending a 10 year deal, that’s always dumb unless it’s an Evan Longoria style deal.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 9, 2008 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
sorry. I thought that was the implication. He most definitely a stud player to build a franchise around, but not worth a 10-year deal.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 9, 2008 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No worries
We’re in agreement on that
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 10, 2008 12:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure he is wrong
I really like Tex as a player, but for some reason he’s always struck me as a top tier complementary player, but not a guy to carry an entire team. Perhaps it’s just that he’s always been in lineups with great hitters around him.
by tyrannoman on Dec 10, 2008 7:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s an elite hitter with great defense. His total package makes him one of the very best players in baseball. This is type of guy you spend big money on.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 10, 2008 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why all the hate?
I like Raplh x[
Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
by ejdacanay on Dec 9, 2008 9:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's his voice for me.
I’m very picky about voices. In college in the late 90s I actually copped to disliking Dave Matthews’ voice. Lost about two-thirds of the dorm population right there.
by shanghaijim on Dec 9, 2008 11:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I never understood why that was. Dave Matthews has a terrible voice.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 9, 2008 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and the chicks.
and the chicks on pot.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 10, 2008 8:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Another example of Sabean misreading the market and getting zeroed at
the Winter Meetings. Oh wait, we got Renteria.
/hurls/
Matt Cain's drinking buddy
by Buck Henry on Dec 9, 2008 10:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
it’s not like people have been making deals left and right. I maintain that Renteria is a good signing, and we may yet see CC or RJ.
Worst possible case: We start Pablo at 3rd. Still better that Rallykiller.
by Viliphied on Dec 9, 2008 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade for Michael Young and move him to second base. Platoon Sandoval and Frandsen at third. Sign Jamie Moyer. Done.
by StickRat on Dec 9, 2008 10:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, you want to trade for one of the worst contracts in baseball?
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 10, 2008 12:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha catch ’em all!
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 5:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was trying to come up with some joke involving Zito and possibly Rowand, but had no luck. What you wrote put in succinctly and perfectly.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 10, 2008 8:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, 200 hits for five straight seasons. Can pay shortstop. Never been on the DL. Probably can a couple mil of his annual salary. Sounds like the price is right to me.
by StickRat on Dec 10, 2008 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Glitch
Probably can get the Rangers to pat couple mil of his annual salary.
by StickRat on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he’s the Barry Zito of shortstops,
a decline so slow that few people have noticed.
by oldjacket on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think people have noticed
what’s been going on with Mr. Zito
by Gob on Dec 10, 2008 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A 32 year old SS (or 2b) with suspect defense and declining offensive numbers (who currently plays in an offensive yard) is about to make $16M over each of the next 5 years (5 year/$80M).
The Rangers would have to chip in nearly all of that to make it work.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 10, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
131-108-107-96 <- decline
and he can not actually play shortstop
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 10, 2008 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but gold glove!
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually he can play shortstop. He currently does play shortstop. His Gold Glove was deserved this year, albeit by default because Yunensky Betencourt can’t get his shite together. I like him as a second baseman, but his versatility could be a huge asset in three years if Nick Noonan is ready to go.
by StickRat on Dec 10, 2008 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He can “play” SS, just not well. Like, as in, he’s costing his team when he plays it.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the pitching staff is what’s costing his team. I’n not versed in win shares, but I’m going out on a limb by guessing that Young is probably well in the plus column.
by StickRat on Dec 10, 2008 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Win shares suck.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 10, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a big part of the poor pitching staff? could have to do with how bad the Rangers are defensively (also, the ballpark)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 10, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, as big of a fan I am of Scott Feldman, if he is your third best starter, your pitching staff is a trainwreck.
by StickRat on Dec 10, 2008 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More than one thing can “cost your team”. The Rangers pitching, as well as Michael Young’s defense, cost the team.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 10, 2008 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To bad he wasn’t alive when JFK was shot. You could have pinned that on him too.
by StickRat on Dec 10, 2008 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you Young's brother or something?
It seems to me that they have laid out a fair case for why they think acquiring him would be a bad idea. You don’t have to take it so personally
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on Dec 10, 2008 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The tide turned on the ’don’t take it personally’ shore when someone told me to use my brain. I’ve refuted every point of the case against Young except for the numbers. I am not going to waste my time getting into house-of-cards debate about the “decline” of Mike Young. Fact is he had one phenominal year, one down year, and two great years in between. Just because that can be framed to indicate a decline doesn’t make it a decline.
Young is an intensity ball player that would fit perfectly with the current organizational philosophy. He plays the game right. He gets 700 ABs a year, which should be an outstanding pro on the pros-and-cons list. But, when someone wants to crap on a high-salaried guy by using spin to denounce everyday play as a negative, I can’t hardly take any of that person’s statistical analysis seriously.
Rich Aurilia wasn’t the greatest defensive shortstop in the league either, but the Giants went to the World Series with him and a pitchers like Kirk Rueter and Livan Hernandez.
HOWEVER, in my initial statement about Young, I said I’d move him to second base. Everyone is in a tizzy over his defense as a shortstop. Meanwhile, I’m talking about moving him to second where his sure-handedness and footwork around the bag will cause him to excel. It will probably tack 10 points onto his batting average as well.
Money is money, and most teams don’t trade for HOF caliber players until they lose a step. To get guys like that in their prime, a team has to develop them within their own organization. Otherwise, you have to drop a bundle to get greatness. And Young is great. Five 200 hit seasons in a row. I’m sorry, that is an absolute phenomenon. I don’t care what ballpark he plays in.
And no, I am not Young’s brother. I am a Giants fan. Have been my whole life. I know a thing or two about baseball. So when people imply that I am stupid, or say I don’t research my ideas, I take offense. Sorry if my manners don’t suit you.
by StickRat on Dec 10, 2008 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
I now notice that your rudeness was directed primarily at Marcello, who insulted you. That makes sense now.
However, I fail to see why you disengaged from the argument with other people.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on Dec 10, 2008 7:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you. And I didn’t really disengage. I didn’t really have time to concentrate on an in-depth debate this afternoon. I’m receptive to xanthan’s thoughts, and oldjacket made his point fairly enough. I don’t agree that a four-year window tells the whole story though. In stats ananysis, one must consider the mean, and Young’s numbers in ’06 & ’07 are consistent with his numbers from ’03 & ’04, as is the midset of ’05 & ’08.
by StickRat on Dec 10, 2008 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How about the poor performance of pitching prospects like John Danks and Edinson Volquez while they were Rangers?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Dec 10, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The longball is what hurt Volquez in Texas.
by StickRat on Dec 10, 2008 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s like a -10-25 defensive shortstop dude
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Dec 10, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is mortifying when you think that Lincecum, Cain, and Sanchez could very well finish 1-2-3 in NL strikeout leaders next year.
by StickRat on Dec 10, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he’s not a good enough hitter anymore to be able to offset the poor defense
also his contract is ridiculously bad
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 10, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the Matt Gamel 3B defense debate all over again.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I was just thinking.
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by marcello on Dec 10, 2008 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I do. Thank you. Using the Webster’s today, not the Oxford.
by StickRat on Dec 10, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why don’t you give me a reason that is “bollicks”?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 10, 2008 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
great argument
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 10, 2008 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FINE
Quadruple slash the last four years:
.331/.385/.513/.898
.314/.356/.459/.815
.315/.366/.418/.784
.284/.339/.402/.741
OPS+ the last four years:
131
108
107
96
wRAA (weighted runs above average, based on wOBA) the last four years:
38
13
9
2
UZR (widely considered the best defensive metric) the last four years:
-27.1
-3.7
-10.1
-3.9
These numbers paint the picture of a player who is in serious decline offensively, while providing -5 to -10 runs of defense. There’s not much reason to believe that he is going to get better with the bat or in the field since he’s already 32 and has been declining for some time now. He is currently about a league average player who is under contract for $16 million a year through 2013, his age 36 season. This contract is a disaster.
You are wrong. The only reply you should make now is:
I’m sorry, I was wrong. I don’t know what I was thinking. In the future, I will actually look things up before spouting off whatever nonsense pops into my head.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
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by marcello on Dec 10, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I’m responding with five fingers … four are in serious decline.
by StickRat on Dec 10, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Smart and clever. Aren’t you just the complete package?
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by marcello on Dec 10, 2008 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is wRAA like bRAA?
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In that it’s (wOBA – lgwOBA) / 10.5 * PA’s
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or does it use some leveragey thing like WPA. OK, I’ll stop responding to myself. I’d just never seen the stat before.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Leveragey..
Has he begin to…..think for himself?
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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2008 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think so, I couldn’t find anything at the site explaining what it is, but that’s my assumption.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
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by marcello on Dec 10, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To be honest, I’m not sure. I assumed it was the number when you convert wOBA into RAA. It’s available at FanGraphs (what isn’t nowadays?) on the player stat pages, right next to wOBA.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 10, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cool, I’d never seen it before. I just check FG and they say:
(wOBA – lgwOBA) / wOBAScale * PA
Any idea what wOBA Scale is?
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
To convert wOBA for a hitter into wins: (wOBA – .338) / 1.15 * 700 / 10.5 will give you wins above average. (The .338 is whatever the league average wOBA is, which is EXACTLY equal to whatever the league average OBP is; 1.15 is the relationship between wOBA and runs; 700 is the number of PA per 162 games; 10.5 is the relationship between runs and wins.)
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by marcello on Dec 10, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that was actually kind of funny
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 10, 2008 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, you know that spouting 200 hits for 5 straight years is not any evidence of exceptional skill. Intuitively, you have to know that. He’s been getting 700+ PA routinely, he damn well better have 200 hits. jponry posted his OPS+ trend already, but just to blow up your 200 hit argument, here are his hit totals from the last four years:
221 > 217 > 201 > 183 – bad news bears
Please note that I don’t think those hit total trends mean a damn thing, they are just the natural outcome of his eroding talent. Then, you add shitty defense and a long, monster contract, and you have one of the worst contracts in baseball.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 10, 2008 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you lost me at ...
“you know that spouting 200 hits for 5 straight years is not any evidence of exceptional skill”
by StickRat on Dec 10, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s probably relevant of some “skill” — good at contact — but it can also mean that a player had a BUNCH of PA’s. Juan Pierre has gotten over 200 hits in his career a bunch of times but he was also getting 750+ PA’s in a season. That’s a lot of chances.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pierre has had four 200 hit seasons in his career, and only two in a row. Also, Pierre is much faster, and he is left-handed. Kirby Puckett is probably the best pure right-hadned hitter of the past 20 years in terms of hit production, and his bet was four consecutive 200 hit seasons.
by StickRat on Dec 10, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but,
I think it’s more impressive getting 200 hits in the middle of the order, where you don’t pile up as many at-bats. Hitting in the Texas stadium (where outs can be hard to come by) gives Young more opportunities and helps him get the hits, too.
by oldjacket on Dec 10, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but it does go back to my point that Young is getting a bunch of chances to compile 200 hits in a season, way more than most players.
Year PA 2003 713 2004 739 2005 732 2006 748 2007 692 2008 708
That’s good for him, because it means he’s been healthy enough to play almost every game in a season. But, the fact that he’s getting 200 hits is just as much of a byproduct of opportunity than it is skill.
I don’t hate Young, but I do hate his contract and he can’t play SS. This isn’t a point that you can argue. He’ll be 32-years-old next season and still locked into a contract until he’s 36-years-old. Again, decent hitter, terrible defender, and has a really bad contract.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s questionable how much longer he can be a decent hitter given the trends and his age. At this point, he’s just an average hitter in serious decline. Check out his wOBA from the last 4 years:
.389
.352
.347
.331
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 10, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you tried using your brain? It might help you figure it out.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 10, 2008 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I banging it against my desk right now. Does that count?
by StickRat on Dec 10, 2008 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/fetches bagels
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 10, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I initially read that as /felches bagels. lol.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 10, 2008 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cripes … now I’m craving a bagel with cream cheese.
by StickRat on Dec 10, 2008 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can join kenshin..
I think he’s still flossing a dead horse.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2008 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HELL NO
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 10, 2008 4:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I havent listened to this yet
But can it be any more unsettling an interview than the showdown between the two of them during the Benitez fiasco? That was some high comedy stuff right there.
by Hobbes2d on Dec 9, 2008 10:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ooh, i missed that one, what happened?
by Viliphied on Dec 9, 2008 11:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ralph basically yelled at Sabean that the Benitez signing was a disaster, Sabean got understandably defensive, and then basically implied to the Lunatic Fringe that if the fans forced him to release Benitez, it wouldn’t make the team any better.
One of Ralph’s many faults is that he thinks he has these brilliant insights on how the Giants should be run, insights that no one else does. Plus he just finds specific players to complain about and then harps on it for years and years. We get it, Ralph: the Benitez signing was dumb and Zito shouldn’t have been given that contract. There’s no need to bring it up every week with the Giants GM. You can tell it bugs the shit out of Sabean, and I can’t say I blame him.
My plans for 2009: getting married and attending Tim Lincecum Bobblehead Day.
by Kitspool on Dec 10, 2008 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
sounds like Ralph alright. Ralph, that crap is great when you’re talking to your average sports talk radio caller, but seriously, you really think you can get the GM of a major sports franchise to admit that signing a player that is STILL ON THE GODDAMN TEAM is a bad idea? Really???
Imagine what it would be like if Ralph had any actual power. /shudder.
(though I must admit, I did agree (and still do, to an extent) with his “Free Alex Smith” campaign)
by Viliphied on Dec 10, 2008 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why can't we just...
go into spring training with the lineup as is, and then find some counterpart to Timmeh’s dad to be the hitting instructor?
Weird ass swings, great bat speed FTW!
Leading the Pro-Aaron Rowand contingent on the McC!
You can ridicule me in 2009 if you like...
by ThrillisGone22 on Dec 10, 2008 8:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like what he says for once
I also think that Mark Texiera isn’t a franchise player. I would be very happy taking one year of randy johnson instead of 6 for C.C.
by FutureGiantsGm24 on Dec 10, 2008 8:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why don’t you think that Tex is a franchise player?
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because he’s really Sabean
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 10, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can’t be, he’s posting on a computer!
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He could be dictating it
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on Dec 10, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dictating it – screaming at beat reporters with computers whilst smashing coffee cups against suite walls
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 10, 2008 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he is either. The only time Tex has been in the Top 10 in any significant offensive categories is when he was in Texas. And that only has happened once or twice. He’s a very very good player, but not an elite one. He’s going to be on his 4th team in 3 years, I don’t see how a franchise player would be allowed to traded away or leave via FA (in this instance) that many times.
Is he Albert Pujols? No.
Manny? No.
Chipper Jones? Nah.
Then again I would argue there are very few elite players…and I’m sure people would disagree.
by Hobbes2d on Dec 10, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I highly recommend this interview
To anyone who wants to listen to two prickly jackasses go back and forth for 15 minutes.
Poor Tolbert, stuck filling the pregnant pauses…
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by otis29 on Dec 10, 2008 3:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Funny how “pricky jackass” and “hung like a donkey” are so close but yet mean such different things.
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by Goofus on Dec 10, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Prickly" Goofus, "Prickly"
Like a cactus, brother.
Anywhooo, I was just in the car and Ralph was still railing on Sabean and Baer. Wow, I can’t wait for spring training!
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by otis29 on Dec 10, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this the appropriate place for me to once again state my extreme dislike of Ralph Barbieri?
If so, I extremely dislike Ralph Barbieri.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on Dec 10, 2008 5:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
excellent placement!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 10, 2008 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
new thought: I would like an excellent placemat detailing my hatred for Ralph
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 10, 2008 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The correct answer
Every place is an appropriate place to state one’s extreme dislike of Ralph Barbieri.
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by Goofus on Dec 11, 2008 7:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You need the complete set of matching Barbieri placemats! It is the perfect gift for the holidays.
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