I guess Bowker really was *that* bad
by EliminateMe on Dec 9, 2008 10:41 AM PST
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PrintSabean said the club has to respect what John Bowker did last season, but Ishikawa’s defense gives him a leg-up. "As we saw while experimenting, defense is too important at that position, and Ishikawa is one of better defensive first basemen in the minor leagues," Sabean said.If I know my Sabean-speak, that means that he considers Bowker's play at first a complete trainwreck. Considering that Eugenio Velez is still in contention to start at second base, that's saying something.
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Phew
for a second there I thought I was the only one who realized Bowker was awful.
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Awww
How dare you group us together
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I just took my old Niekromania shirt and a sharpie, crossed out “Niekro” and wrote in “Bowker”.
I’m not sure I can even fit “Ishikawa” on there.
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
I want an "Ishikawabunga!" t-shirt.
They don’t even exist, to my knowledge. But I must have one.
I once punched a hole in a light fixture in celebration of a J.T. Snow home run. That is all.
How much will you pay for one?
If it was made with a sharpie and had “Niekromania” and “Bowkermania” crossed out?
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Considering he kept JT around all those years, it might also be possible Sabean over-values defense at 1B.
If Bowker had kept hitting like he did at first, I could’ve lived with his D at 1B.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
This.
First base is the spot where you put bad defense in the inflield, it’s not all that important there. If only Bowker could have remained awesome with the bat.
Only if...
a guy is OPSing in the .800-.900 range minimum. 1B is an underrated defensive position. A guy at 1B that can pick low throws in the dirt makes the entire team better defensively. Ask the New York Mets. They went from being one of the best defensive teams in the NL to one of the worst when they got Mo Vaughn.
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This is true, it’s very nice to have a good glove at first if you can. A bad glove at any position better have enough of a bat to more than make up for it. If I have to choose between offense or defense at first, I’m going offense in almost every situation. If you’ve got good hitters at second and short, I have no problem with a below average bat and great glove at first to help with the infield D.
i think that you are reading a little too much into the quote EliminateMe. Ishikawa has always excelled at the defensive side of baseball. Most of what Sabean sees is probably what he had with Snow: grade A defense with a side of offensive production.
The term “experimenting” clearly refers to Bowker, and saying that defense at first is “too important” (at, as chilibean_3 points out, a position that isn’t a top defensive skill position) says to me “We thought we could get away with Bowker learning on the job, but he was worse than we were prepared for.”
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
The term "experimenting" clearly refers to Bowker
Or a night of passion with Shawon Dunston
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Nice.
Also, experimenting = spelling Sean. Or is it Shawon? Chone? I give up.
Go Fred Lewis... You're better than the alternative... Yippee...
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Dec 9, 2008 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Let’s remember that Bowker had no experience at the position except for a couple experimental stints in HIGH SCHOOL. People seemed to deal with it when he batted well his first 3 months up in the majors. I respect TI, but his number weren’t that “amazing” in his one month in the majors. I guess i just don’t see a fair comparison. I’ll easily give TI the defense edge, but i think Bowker’s bat has a bigger upside. my two cents.
He should be playing bench/pinch hitter
I don’t mind him as a nice bench option that can play some 4th OF and bring some power off the bench, but I never understood the love affair with this guy anyway
TOO DINGERZ IN TOO DAIS!!!
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 9, 2008 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Absolutely:
The next thing that came to mind was: “Too good to be true…”
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 9, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Same here. I didn’t remember seeing that much pop when he was in LB using an aluminum bat! I went to every home game an dont recall any HR’s he hit…. THough i know he hit a few on the road.
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
by Giant among Angels on Dec 9, 2008 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
He has a sweet swing. I just wish he had better plate discipline.
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+1
For all our hitters
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
BLB gave him props and said Bowk’s swing is just like his.
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 9, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
Can a guy hope that BLB coaches if he doesn’t end up in the pen?
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 9, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Zito still has a weaker arm than Bonds. That’s saying a lot.
So, yes Barry as reliever/PH
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 9, 2008 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
What is his status with minor league options? Cuz as long as Nasty Nate is around he ain’t got a spot on the roster.
"I didn't know (after seeing a spectacular over-the-shoulder catch) whether to shit or go blind." - Former Giants Outfielder Harvey Kuenn on Willie Mays
let's not
call him nasty nate.
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 9, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Nate Dogg
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
by Giant among Angels on Dec 9, 2008 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
The Nateural
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 10, 2008 1:15 AM PST up reply actions
Also, I found this quote interesting: “It’s clear Neukom won’t answer questions as transparently as Peter Magowan did.” Baggs taking a subtle shot at former ownership?
"I didn't know (after seeing a spectacular over-the-shoulder catch) whether to shit or go blind." - Former Giants Outfielder Harvey Kuenn on Willie Mays
I would think transparency in responding to journalists would be a virtue from the journalists’ point of view. In fact, it’s hard to think of too many contexts where transparency is used as a pejorative. Maybe it’s a shot at Neukom.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
Magowan answered questions transparently?
Then I guess he really didn’t know anything.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
bowker sucks
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
xanthan and bowker sitting in a tree
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
DUDE HITS DOUBLES LINE DRIVES
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
WALK TAKING?
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
bowk
played 1b about as well as you’d expect from someone who’d never played there before.
and he hit like a rookie corner OF.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
me too
if Winn, Rowand or Roberts were to be traded, i would be estatic to have Bowker as a 5th OF
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 9, 2008 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
me three
If Roberts and one of Winn or Rowand were to be traded, I’d be happy to have him as a 4th OF.
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on Dec 10, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Shorter E-Me
If Roberts and one of Winn or Rowand were to be traded, I’d be happy to have him as a 4th OF.
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on Dec 10, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
this is an insane conversation
the kid hadnt played first since probably little league….did someone really expect him to pick up the position while learning to hit mlb pitchers?
and then constantly shitfing him back to the of??
FIRE SABEAN
AND WHILE YOUR AT IT…FIRE YOURSELVES
If we fired ourselves, who would you have to feel superior to?
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on Dec 10, 2008 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
AND WHILE YOUR AT IT…FIRE YOURSELVES
Nah, I think I’ll give myself a raise.
/deer head
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