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C.C. Sabathia, Part XVII

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From the L.A. Times:

The official said the Giants are interested in CC Sabathia, the ace pitcher who grew up in the Bay Area. The official would not confirm whether the Giants had offered a contract to Sabathia but said they would need to make other moves before they could sign him.

While I'm not a big fan of committing $120M over six seasons to another pitcher, if the math is something like...:

$120M (Sabathia joining the team)
-
$44M (Rowand going away)
=
Sabathia for 6 years/$76M!

...I could be interested. Fuzzy math, sure. But I'm worried that this will be the last year that Rowand's contract is tradable. Other than Rowand, there isn't a tradable player whose salary can help make room for Sabathia's salary.

Or, and I hate to even bring this up, but maybe I shouldn't pay attention to every stray rumor from the Winter Meetings.

Nah. Where's the fun in being prudent and respectable?

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The official would not confirm whether the Giants had offered a contract to Sabathia but said they would need to make other moves before they could sign him.

In other words, they need to move some bad contracts first. That is not going to happen.

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 8, 2008 5:50 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Frankly

I think Rowand may be MORE tradeable after next season IF he rebounds.

McC's Outstanding Newcomer '08.

by FairweatherFan on Dec 8, 2008 5:51 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also, I should point out that I don’t think Rowand is useless. He just isn’t worth the investment on a team with Randy Winn.

by Grant on Dec 8, 2008 5:52 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They can maybe move him

If they sent a top-shelf pitching prospect and a sizable chunk of money along for the ride.

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 8, 2008 5:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or how about an true ace starter like Barry Zito!

Bonds stands alone.

Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal

by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 8, 2008 6:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*Jerry Seinfeld high voice with a hand wave*

Un-Tradeable!

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 6:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jerry Seinfeld (any way)

Un-Watchable

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Dec 8, 2008 8:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Un-Postable!

(Banned)

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 8:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eh, it is kind of boring.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Dec 9, 2008 7:06 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*sigh*

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Dec 9, 2008 7:37 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn’t say it was bad.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Dec 9, 2008 8:09 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

you…you…

I’m speechless.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 8:15 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t get what I did that’s so wrong here!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Dec 9, 2008 8:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Golden Boy.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 9, 2008 9:03 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heh

Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Dec 9, 2008 9:47 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh not much

just that you would blaspheme arguably the greatest TV show of all time.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 9:38 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just don’t see how it’s blasphemy. The show was slow, which made it kind of boring. I said nothing negative about the quality of Seinfeld. I prefer to save all of my comments on the negative quality of things for Arrested Development.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Dec 9, 2008 10:10 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess

when I’m laughing I just don’t consider something boring. But hey, that’s why they have a remote, so we don’t all have to watch the same thing.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 10:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I feel like I dragged howee into my lynching here…I find Seinfeld very formalistic. I never saw it when it was a weekly, so perhaps my initial exposure to it in syndication amplified my response.

And the whole show about nothing…sheesh.

Definitely the Led Zeppelin of sitcoms.

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Dec 9, 2008 10:51 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Definitely the Led Zeppelin of sitcoms.

The sentence fails on so many levels I can’t even…I mean…just…wow.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Dec 9, 2008 11:34 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A bit of a troll I admit. Zep’s day ended in about ’73 so they had a few good seasons.

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Dec 9, 2008 11:42 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They had some good performances later on..

Sure they were fewer and farer in between than earlier (pretty much every early ‘69 show I’ve heard is amazing) but there were still good shows in ‘75 and ’77. And you can’t say all of In Through The Out Door and Presence are horrible.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 9, 2008 8:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Nooooo…body’s fault.

Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??

by tobias on Dec 9, 2008 9:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

YOU MY FRIEND HAVE BROKEN TWO CARDINAL WALRUSMAN RULES.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 9, 2008 8:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“just that you would blaspheme arguably the greatest most over-rated TV show of all time.”

Greetings, Marklar! I am Marklar! This is Marklar.

by marklar on Dec 9, 2008 10:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whatever

Like I said, to each his own. You can like whatever you enjoy watching, and those with a sense of humor can enjoy Seinfeld.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 11:01 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually,

I thought the show was very funny sometimes. But it was very New York-centric, which could make it annoying sometimes. There were some funny concepts, but ultimately, whether it’s comedy or drama, what separates the great from the good is the writing. The writing on Seinfeld was very good, but certainly not the best ever.

Greetings, Marklar! I am Marklar! This is Marklar.

by marklar on Dec 9, 2008 11:43 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This reminds me of the time Keith Hernandez spit on Kramer.

Go Fred Lewis... You're better than the alternative... Yippee...

by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Dec 9, 2008 12:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or the time they parked in a handicapped parking spot.

Go Fred Lewis... You're better than the alternative... Yippee...

by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Dec 9, 2008 12:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or the time Kramer was told to “drop dead”.

Go Fred Lewis... You're better than the alternative... Yippee...

by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Dec 9, 2008 12:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or the time elaine told Jerry’s nana to drop dead

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 12:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or the time Jerry stole a marbled-rye from an old lady.

Go Fred Lewis... You're better than the alternative... Yippee...

by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Dec 9, 2008 12:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“Jimmy’s been watching you, you’re just Jimmy’s type”

Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.

by ResDog on Dec 9, 2008 12:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“She’s got the jimmy legs.”

Hitler was a Dodgers fan.

by The Nick on Dec 10, 2008 5:28 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I challenge you to a Feat of Strength!!!

Go Fred Lewis... You're better than the alternative... Yippee...

by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Dec 9, 2008 12:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, it looks like we’ve already aired the grievances.

by cornball on Dec 9, 2008 1:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FESTIVUS IS NOT OVER UNTIL YOU PIN ME!

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by WalrusMan on Dec 9, 2008 8:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Randy Winn is not part of the team past 2009!

….Or is he…..?

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 6:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zito gets moved to the Mariana Trench.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Dec 8, 2008 5:56 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Dodgers look like they are setup to run the table with soon-to-be signings ofr Blake, Furcal and possibly Sabathia. This could make the bums the team to beat in 2009. If SF has any interest in Sabathia then step up Neuk.

by wilriv21 on Dec 8, 2008 6:05 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FEAR THE MIGHTY BEARD OF CASEY BLAKE

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by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 7:32 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Either that or Ned Colletti’s mouth just started to assembled the hanging post that could symbolize the 2009 Dodgers’ season.

it's always noonan somewhere

by sectionop92 on Dec 8, 2008 11:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They would need to resign Ramirez as well.

by cornball on Dec 9, 2008 6:58 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the thing with moving rowand’s contract is the team that would be most able and interested to take his contract off our hands would be the yankees… they need a cf, they’ve got the cash, and they may still be persuadable that vet savvyness and gritty, team play are the way to go. unfortunately, i can’t see cashman being dumb enough to essentially give us the financial flexibility to sign the guy he really wants, sabathia.

but those considerations aside… a winn, lewis, schierholtz OF plus sabathia in the rotation… yeah, i could get behind that. But every time i think of making some gargantuan offer for c.c. i just can’t help thinking that I’d much rather add $20 mil to it and go after Tex— the one really sure thing on the whole damn market.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Dec 8, 2008 6:08 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thought the White Sox might be another suitor. Know the Sox have been unloading salaries (Swisher, Vasquez and talking Dye) but they need a CF. Rowand for Konerko? SF get some future salary relief and a bat for middle of line-up.

by wilriv21 on Dec 8, 2008 6:32 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

meh

i find i mostly just enjoy seeing all the yankees fans squirm over the fact that CC hasn’t accepted $140m offer after a month…

by FPTV on Dec 8, 2008 6:17 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sabathia has supposedly met with the Yankees twice in the last two days. That probably means they’re closing in on him.

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by rxmeister on Dec 8, 2008 6:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or they are offering free donuts.

I know that is the most effective way to get people to attend my meetings at work.

McC's Outstanding Newcomer '08.

by FairweatherFan on Dec 8, 2008 6:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As long as Yankees fans get fat on the free agents and leave the good prospects in the draft pile, that’s all that matters.

I haven’t yet met a person with a Brooklyn or Bostonian accent who could properly explain the strengths and weaknesses of any of their prospects without needing to count fingers or ask what’s below high A-ball.

it's always noonan somewhere

by sectionop92 on Dec 8, 2008 11:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh oh.
…they would need to make other moves before they could sign him.

Like…signing or trading for a 3B to create a better lineup? I just realized…that can be taken in multiple bad ways. Many more bad ways than good ways.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 6:28 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that was my first thought

SS and CF are the two key defensive positions so maybe keeping Rowand and signing Renteria were good things.

by Lovejoy on Dec 8, 2008 9:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep.

Sign players who are on a decline defensively to man the key defensive positions!

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by WalrusMan on Dec 9, 2008 6:30 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hear you

but someone has to go out there and those guys aren’t toast yet.

by Lovejoy on Dec 9, 2008 5:32 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You could say..

Rowand was toast last year. I think most people believe he won’t be that bad next year, but I’d say Winn could easily replace his defense in CF. Burris also could probably replace Renteria’s defense at SS too.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 9, 2008 8:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know

Has seemed like Sabathia’s camp is trying to create a bidding war for him with the west coast teams. The NY Post article from last week read like it was written by his agent, talking about how he wants to play for the Giants but their $100M offer is just a little low, and how the Angels might have cleared their agenda in order to make an offer.

by Stoned Slacker on Dec 8, 2008 6:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CC wants to be a Dodger

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3755609&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

This makes me sad.

Adopted son of in limbo Brad Hennessey. Beloved for a stolen base much like Dave Roberts

by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 8, 2008 7:18 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't want him anymore

jk… mostly

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by Smoke on the Water on Dec 8, 2008 7:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LIES!!!!

well who do you trust more? Agent Ned or all the people who said he wants to play in SF? But if the Dodgers really wanted him wouldn’t they have shown more interest? And don’t they also need more offense than pitching? Their lineups looking pretty ridiculously weak.

by boonitez on Dec 8, 2008 7:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In my eyes, their O and D are ALWAYS ridiculously weak!!

I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!

by Giant among Angels on Dec 8, 2008 7:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s good Ned opened his mouth, because now the pressure is on him to act.

So does Colletti pony up for C.C., Manny and Furcal? The world will may never know.

it's always noonan somewhere

by sectionop92 on Dec 8, 2008 11:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whats worse? Signing Sabathia to a 6 yr/ 120 mil deal? Or having him play for the Dodgers

by LinceCainGarnerSon on Dec 9, 2008 7:28 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dodgers.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Dec 9, 2008 10:48 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he might actually be trying to come here

if he wanted the biggest amount of money, he would’ve already taken the Yankees offer. I also doubt the Angels will sign him; their offense needs a bit of work. They especially need more offense since Vlad’s getting old. I think they’re gonna push much harder for Tex to come back. The Dodgers, though…

by boonitez on Dec 8, 2008 7:19 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C.C. wants a bidding war.

If we give him Fort Bonds, I want every ligament and cell tested.

it's always noonan somewhere

by sectionop92 on Dec 8, 2008 11:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m beginning to think that maybe CC really does want to be a Giant but that we just don’t have the money for it.

by Dan from NM on Dec 8, 2008 7:22 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I said it in another thread: playing the Giants against the Dodgers is a good business plan.

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Dec 8, 2008 8:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would trade Rowand for nothing, and even cover 4 million of his remaining salary if we had to.

I would imagine someone would express interest in that, but i don’t really know.

by DuikeBuike on Dec 8, 2008 7:32 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

another baggs update:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2008/12/08/sabathia-meeting-debatable-trade-talks-slow/

Sabean reiterated that Pablo Sandoval is the third baseman, barring other moves, and second base will be a battle between Kevin Frandsen, Eugenio Velez and Emmanuel Burriss. "We pretty much realized it’s going to get settled in spring training," Sabean said.

Don’t put much stock in those Jorge Cantu/Edwin Encarnacion/Hank Blalock rumors. None are a defensive fit and none are worth the price of left-hander Jonathan Sanchez.

bitte, baby.

by ryanmiles on Dec 8, 2008 7:37 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sabean along with most/many of you here have a lot of confidence in Pablo at third. I want to see him play well at third in spring before i hop onboard.

I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!

by Giant among Angels on Dec 8, 2008 7:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

huh. It feels like I’m the only one who’s ok with Pablo at third.

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by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 8:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I got some flack from about 3-4 people the other day when i was concerned his coverage on bunts…

Here

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by Giant among Angels on Dec 8, 2008 8:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

looks like one guy is arguing with you, one defending.

I recall seeing a lot of people predicting that he’ll be the worst defensive 3B you’ve ever seen.

What does Groupthink think?

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by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 8:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like it....

but the caveat with Pablo is he can still get one day a week at catcher and first, so Frandsen (or ?) can fill in at 3rd two days a week. After last year, Pablo could play center an I’d be happy.

"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean

by Smotheredinhugs on Dec 9, 2008 5:34 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m ok with it.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Dec 8, 2008 8:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's good.

We’ll start our own groupthink.

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by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 8:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

 If there is no Beltre to be had, I’d be OK with Kung Fu Panda at 3B. I’d really like to have Beltre though, I just don’t see that happening.

My adopted son Matt Downs. Lost in the wilderness of mediocrity.

by nvsfg on Dec 8, 2008 10:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m with you guys. He’s relatively agile for a fatty and he has soft hands and a cannon arm.

Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.

by SF Pete on Dec 9, 2008 9:26 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am very much a non-believer

I don’t even think the Giants should look at him being the everyday 3B as an option

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 8:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sabean reiterated that Pablo Sandoval is the third baseman, barring other moves

yeah, that means absolutely nothing. But good to hear that about the 3B rumors.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 7:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn't Sabean say Manny Burriss was the starting shortstop for 2008 scant months ago?

I remain unconvinced about Pablo’s third base ability.

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by BruteSentiment on Dec 8, 2008 8:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perhaps..

Scant month ago?

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 8:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also Ortmeier was going to be the starting 1B last season.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Dec 9, 2008 10:49 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What Baggs really means

is that 2B is a battle between Frandsen and Burriss, right?

Adopted Giant: Aaron King

Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat

by baetown415 on Dec 8, 2008 9:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sabean also said he would look for a MotO bat

brian sabean is a compulsive liar, evidently

"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"

by The Gene Hackman on Dec 9, 2008 10:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Azula Sabean always lies. Azula Sabean always lies.

by shanghaijim on Dec 9, 2008 7:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aside from the fact that it would be hard to find a team willing to take on Rowand’s absurd contract, I keep wondering this: can anybody remember a case where somebody signed a long term contract and then was traded within about a year or so? I really can’t think of a case of this happening. When you sign a guy to a long term contract it seems like you are stuck with him for at least a while, barring some kind of extenuating circumstance.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 7:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is a good one. But, this would be very rare right? I think something like that would be very frowned upon and every future free agent the Giants talk to would say “are you really going to honor my contract or are you just going to trade me as soon as your plans change?” If this were to have a chance to happen (and obviously it doesn’t anywhere outside of weblog rosterbatrion immagination land) they better make sure Rowand is extremely on board with it.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 9, 2008 10:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I completely agree. The Delgado trade really raised a lot of eyebrows and Delgado himself impugned the integrity of the Marlins’ front office. It’s a very delicate undertaking.

by cornball on Dec 9, 2008 1:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nah. Where’s the fun in being prudent and respectable?

I thought of this guy. Move Rowand. Give prudent and respectable a chance.

Not really.

Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.

by kennv on Dec 8, 2008 8:20 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sanchez not on the block
The Giants aren’t planning to trade lefty Jonathan Sanchez because of the questions surrounding Noah Lowry, another left-hander who is working to come back from nerve surgery on his forearm that cost him the 2008 season and also a procedure on his elbow in October to remove bone spurs.

“It’d be very difficult to trade him, given Lowry’s what-if, and we need another starter on top of that,” Sabean said.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3756048

by cakes on Dec 8, 2008 8:32 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brian Sabean: I can count!

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by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 8:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, he’s just doing some crazy slash. Noah Lowry, Jonathan Sanchez, and another starter on top of that. Sabean’s a freak!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2008 10:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Between Rowand and Sabathia...

…I’d rather have Rowand.

He may be superfluous on a team with Winn, but the Giants are a team with Winn guaranteed, at most, for just one more season. And does anyone want to sign him past that?

And how many players are out there, or within the system, that can replace Rowand’s bat OR defense in center field? (Hint: it’s not Fred Lewis…I wish it was.)

The Giants have at least one pitcher as good as Sabathia, and could very well have another soon.

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by BruteSentiment on Dec 8, 2008 8:32 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Replacing Rowand’s defense might not be as hard as you think. I bet Winn could play CF just as well right now. Like this moment. Rowand was lousy defensively last year.

/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 8:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And to clarify, I sort of misread your quote but I think Rowand’s defense is a lot easier to replace than most think.

/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 8:40 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think..

Brute was referring more to after 2009.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 8:40 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, see above. I’m hoping Rowand was hurt last year and that’s the reason for his declining defense. I guess we’ll find out this year.

/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 8:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A Tall of Two Halves

If the first half Rowand shows up for the entire 2009 season then SF will have “found” at least .5 of a bat. Sandoval performing well is at least another .5 of a bat. Renteria brings another .5 of a bat to the line-up. Now add Teixeira and voia.

by wilriv21 on Dec 8, 2008 8:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It should be “A Tale of Two Unsustainable Crazy BABIP Months”. From June onward, it was just painful to watch him play.

/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 8:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does Velez bring a .000001 bat?

/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 8:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and he forgot his glove

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by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 8:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But he’s got dem fast legs, so that counts for something.

/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 8:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude hits game winning triples against the Dodgers.

Too bad he fields with his bat.

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 8, 2008 8:53 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was at the Phone Booth for his walk-off infield dribbler against the bums.

Between that and all the physical comedy from earlier in the season, I will now always have a soft spot for Eugenio.

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by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 8:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we should just cover him in pine tar. Then, when the ball is hit at him, he can just let it hit his body so it will stick and then he can run over to whatever base for the out.

Sounds unfailable.

/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 8:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think...

..MLB should use Velez’s calfs for a measurement to determine if the bats handles are too thin.

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by Giant among Angels on Dec 8, 2008 8:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And hits with his glove?

by cornball on Dec 9, 2008 7:04 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“Which way do I run?”

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by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 8:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

/runs into stands

/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 8:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

/bounces off own glove

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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 8, 2008 8:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No need to run

Just get used to the long slow trudge back to the dugout after being picked off.

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 8, 2008 8:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The walk of shame

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by Giant among Angels on Dec 8, 2008 8:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Little V has four errors for his DWL team as a 2b

by wilriv21 on Dec 8, 2008 9:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

clank

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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 8, 2008 9:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No , it's

– clank –

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Is it always the man with the gun?
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by victor frankenstein on Dec 9, 2008 3:11 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Captain Pickoff von Ironglove strikes again!

/twirls chinstache

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by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 9:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

/twirls chinstache

You leave my mother out of this.

/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 9:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Velez brought his glove..

it was just made of iron.

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by nvsfg on Dec 8, 2008 10:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HiJack (Jackson B. , aka Vic Jr , turned 14 yesterday. Dad is 87.)

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by victor frankenstein on Dec 9, 2008 3:06 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Happy B-Day Jr. Vic

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by WalrusMan on Dec 9, 2008 6:32 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Per the Baggarly article a short while ago,

and others from earlier in the day, the Giants aren’t seriously engaged on CC, and haven’t yet bitten on trading Sanchez for E5, Blalock, or Cantu. Notice that Garrett Atkins’ name didn’t make that list.

Yet Baggarly says that Pablo will be our 3B next year, which could be smoke. It may also mean though that Sabean will leave Vegas empty-handed and return to looking at FA first baseman options, like Pat the Bat or even Dunn. Yet strangely no one has approached the Mariners about Beltre.

My guess is that if you read between the lines of what has been reported so far, we can forget about CC or a big trade this week, and Sabean will go with Ishi/Phelps at 1B.

In other words, we’ll have slightly better relief pitching and offense in 2009, and will win about 5 more games.

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by Buck Henry on Dec 8, 2008 8:38 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Be patient, Grasshopper.

by wilriv21 on Dec 8, 2008 8:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I know.

I suspect Sabean’s plan really is:

1. He ain’t trading Sanchez for any of those losers at 3B, and will go with Pablo;
2. He WOULD trade Joseph Martinez and Jack Taschner for Hank Blalock to play 1B next year.
3. He’ll keep Sanchez after all, because of concerns over Lowry.
4. He’d deal Rowand for damn near anything; and
5. If that happens, hello Adam Dunn.

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by Buck Henry on Dec 8, 2008 8:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or Burrell

Dunn doesn’t seem like a very Sabeany player

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by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 8:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it’s asking a bit much that Sabean just go out and buy 10 wins in one offseason.

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by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 8:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure he can. It worked with Vlad.

Oops

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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 8, 2008 9:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When has Vlad ever been worth 10 wins?

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by baetown415 on Dec 8, 2008 9:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Although I do agree that was the greatest mistake Sabean avoided this decade!

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by baetown415 on Dec 8, 2008 9:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CC'ya

We lost out on CC when we gambled and lost on Zito. I have mixed feelings anyway. I think he’s going to be like Pedro Martinez for the Mets — a real difference maker initially but injury ridden in the out years.But it would be fun to watch him hit and I love that he’s local. Given our ability to draft pitchers, we shouldn’t look to the free agent market for them. I’m looking for a significant bounceback from Rowand and praying for a midyear trade to get value back. The Yankees really do need him and he’s fit in well there.

by NearestNorwich on Dec 8, 2008 9:17 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I mostly don’t want CC on the Yankees because I want Yankees’ fans to know what it means to root for a bad team (and third place behind the Rays and Sox doesn’t count). Jeter’s game is already declining, and they can’t count on much from Damon or Matsui. It doesn’t look like Posada can catch any more. They might go into next year with just two proven starting pitchers, one of whom might be due for a sophomore slump (Chamberlain, first full year as ML starter). It could get ugly in the Bronx in a year or two if they don’t sign CC and I’d just love to watch that unfold.

by cornball on Dec 9, 2008 7:11 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IAWTFC

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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 9, 2008 7:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like the thought

and they may not be playoff bound regardless, but they have some crazy amount to spend. I think its something like 80 million – maybe I’m wrong but its big. They’re going to buy some players.

Supposedly Posada’s surgery was effective as well.

by Lovejoy on Dec 9, 2008 5:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Given our ability to draft pitchers, we shouldn’t look to the free agent market for them.

Agreed

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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 8:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

although

I wouldn’t mind a cheap 5th pitcher from the FA pool. Hello Big Unit!

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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 8:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yea.

You can’t look to fulfill (really? it’s fulfill? that’s what Firefox is telling me at least..) all of your needs from your farm system. You can’t look at getting 5 starters from your minors, you can’t look at getting 7 relievers from your minors, you can’t look at getting 4-5 OFs from your minors. You can try and get a majority of those positions from your minors if you have skill with that, but that’s about as far as you can go.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 9, 2008 8:53 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hello Big Unit!

Too easy.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Dec 9, 2008 11:35 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bit Unit Bobblehead Day

Greatest promotional event ever?

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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 11:49 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why trading Rowand doesn't really help in the long term

Other than the fact that we would be selling really, really low on an OK player.

We are only really dumping the diff between Rowand’s and Winn’s salaries THIS year ($4M?). Because we still need a CF in 2010-11. So we have to go into the FA market again.

 Maybe we will have something homegrown by 2012.

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by zenbitz on Dec 9, 2008 8:32 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would tend to agree with you

I realize Rowand is overpaid, but our minor league teams are not spilling forth with outfield goodness. To replace Rowand’s production with a similar player via the FA market would probably require a similar amount of money (albeit maybe not as long a contract), so I would rather wait and see if Rowand can improve and not dump his salary when his value is so low.

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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 9:46 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hmmmm

If Rowand is moved the Giants would not be "burned" by Winn accepting arbitration next year. Or the Giants could even just extend Winn a season.

To me this also assumes Copeland couldn’t be passable with a glove in CF or Timpner is gone.

In general I agree with your points though. If Rowand is not moved by opening day he become too valuable as a pivot as the Giants try Nate and hope for some OF guys to earn their way out of Conn & Fresno. And the Giants can’t afford to just leave him on a door step with out something significant entering the system.

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by daveinexile on Dec 9, 2008 12:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m to the point where my first choice is now Burrell at 1B for two years, Big Unit for 1 year and it’s ok if we keep everyone on the roster. (I’d hang onto Winn until the trade deadline and hope Lowry has a strong spring and see if I couldd get anything for him.)

The plan would be low risk and the resulting team would compete in the weak NL west (I don’t see the Dodgers signing CC, Manny and Furcal) and not screw with the long-term plans.

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by Goofus on Dec 9, 2008 10:15 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm with you

I still think Rowand will bounce back to normal, and that Pablo/Ish/Phelps/Burriss/Renteria/Frandsen will be much better than Castle/Vizquel/Bocock/Velez/Bowker/Aurilia. If Freddie, Winn, & Molina can hit about the same as last year, this team will be in pretty decent shape, assuming the injury bug doesn’t hit.

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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 10:25 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good gawd

I can’t believe that was really our infield for most of the year. I guess you could add Emmanuel (he don’t like to be called Manny, and I don’t like to call him that) to that list, but GadDAMN that is ugtastic.

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by stealth snail on Dec 9, 2008 12:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can you say, " Canidate for Super fund clean up ?"

I thought you could!

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by daveinexile on Dec 9, 2008 1:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree..

In that I dont see the Dodgers signing CC. Maybe I am reading too much into this but I find it interesting that two rumors came out of the dodger camp yesterday:
1. Were frustrated with Manny/Boras they havnt returned our calls
2. CC wants to be a Bum

Next thing you now there is this rumor that Boras wants to talk. Looks like Manny can do the math, lord knows Boras can.

by uber on Dec 9, 2008 11:10 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm no acronym master, but

FWIW, IAWTC, yo!

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by hairball on Dec 9, 2008 12:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is the exact conclusion I’ve come too in the past couple days.

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by stealth snail on Dec 9, 2008 12:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rotoworld says the Giants will meet with Sabathia this weekend:

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&hl=252767&id=3149

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by jcb9 on Dec 9, 2008 11:26 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Rotoworld says it . . .

then there’s about a fifty-fifty shot of it being true

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by oldjacket on Dec 9, 2008 11:42 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s actually just them saying Ken Rosenthal said it. Not that that necessarily makes the odds any better

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by jcb9 on Dec 9, 2008 11:43 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My co-worker went to school with CC and his wife. He still talks to her once in while for get togethers with other friends.

I asked my co-worker this morning if she had a lot of pull of what goes on in the relationship, and he says that she would ideally prefer him close to home, but it’s his decision in the end.

Meaning he’ll probably go where the money is.

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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 9, 2008 11:48 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is that when his orbit will be the closest to earth?

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by Natto on Dec 9, 2008 11:45 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how come nobody commented on my super deluxe hilarious picture of tim orbiting around CC?

by fwoty oz on Dec 9, 2008 2:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I lol’d.

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by jponry on Dec 9, 2008 2:42 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that’s the kind of star system that produces supernovas, right?

by shanghaijim on Dec 9, 2008 8:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Giants supremely confident in signing CC

The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.

by Mike Hawk on Dec 9, 2008 11:48 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

beat me to it by about 4 seconds

nice

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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 11:48 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, my boss is going to be REALLY pleased with me this week…

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by Mike Hawk on Dec 9, 2008 11:49 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This just in

Boss to be pleased by Mike Hawk.

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by Natto on Dec 9, 2008 11:56 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excellent...

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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 9, 2008 11:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TOTAL INCINERATION!

The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.

by Mike Hawk on Dec 9, 2008 12:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beat me

By 5 Minutes x[

I love it, but “I’m supremely confident” the rumor will get shot down.

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by ejdacanay on Dec 9, 2008 11:55 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just because the Giants are confident doesn’t mean that CC will sign with them. It’d be nice to steal him away from the Dodgers though.

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by Natto on Dec 9, 2008 11:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m pretty confident Sabean will take a flier on this guy

The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.

by Mike Hawk on Dec 9, 2008 12:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no thank you

move along, nothing to see here.

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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 12:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two words

Due diligence

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by Mike Hawk on Dec 9, 2008 12:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

doo doo dilligence.

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 9, 2008 12:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you know Erickson is a Bay Area native right?

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 9, 2008 12:05 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also, THIS would come along with him

The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.

by Mike Hawk on Dec 9, 2008 12:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NSFW warning

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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 9, 2008 12:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry guys, linked to the wrong google image!!!

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by Mike Hawk on Dec 9, 2008 12:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

forgiven

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Dec 9, 2008 12:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not as far as I’m concerned, you didn’t!

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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 9, 2008 12:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, that pic was awful! God awful!

Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.

by ResDog on Dec 9, 2008 12:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

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by ejdacanay on Dec 9, 2008 12:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Ned's full of crap

I picture CC asking what their offer would be and Ned runs off like a schoolgirl to his media sources…

“He likes me! He really likes me!”

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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 12:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m supremely confident in my ability to please the women. doesn’t mean it’s gonna happen.

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by Goofus on Dec 9, 2008 12:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But Raptor Jesus is one your side now!

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by daveinexile on Dec 9, 2008 12:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

The monies must be team friendly for the Giants to be so confident.

by wilriv21 on Dec 9, 2008 12:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

either that or Sabean is getitng really good offers for Cain.

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by Goofus on Dec 9, 2008 12:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Definitely OK with that if get a young stud

by wilriv21 on Dec 9, 2008 12:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if he signs, it probably means

any of these

1. the Giants are going to raise payroll over the $90-95 million mark; and/or
2. CC is giving the Giants a significant home-town discount; and/or
3. the deal is heavily backloaded; and/or
4. The Brass learned nothing from the Zito signing.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 9, 2008 1:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One of the 1st mentions I’ve heard about Ben Sheets (linked
to the Yanks, not the G’s).

Where do y’all see him ending up and for what kinda money?
I guess his injury history is a bit of a concern, but he’s solid
when healthy.

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Dec 9, 2008 12:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yargh

CC wants SF and we all know it.

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by stealth snail on Dec 9, 2008 12:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Listen to Amber CC. Maiden Lane. Pacific Heights. El Toro.

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Dec 9, 2008 1:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mmm grande burritos.

by shanghaijim on Dec 9, 2008 8:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baggs says the word on the street is CC declined Yankees’ offer

Yes, I’m just pasting whatever shows up on traderumors.

by fwoty oz on Dec 9, 2008 1:31 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

from that article:
It’s possible the Giants could seek to defer a sizable chunk of the contract beyond 2017, when they finish paying off the debt service on AT&T Park.

wow, if you can sign him for 2017 money I am all for it. I’ll be dead by then.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 9, 2008 2:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ll be dead by then

Zito too.

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Dec 9, 2008 2:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baggs Updated: Brewers are emerging as the frontrunner

Charlie Hayes ate my homework

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 9, 2008 2:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We need some fanshots about this!!

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by Natto on Dec 9, 2008 2:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it’s almost like you’re psychic

by fwoty oz on Dec 9, 2008 2:40 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ask and ye shall receive.

…er, wait…

by deuce deuce on Dec 9, 2008 2:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

step 1: sign CC
step 2: trade for Beltre
step 3: trade Benjie
step 4: sign Dunn
step 5: sign RJ
step 6: profit

by TimLincecumIsGod on Dec 9, 2008 1:34 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

thats a lot of money being paid out. The only one I see happening is maybe 1 & 5.

on the other hand, a rotation of CC/Tim/Cain/Johnson/Zito blows my mind

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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 1:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If only there were a way to replace Zito with Sanchez…

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Dec 9, 2008 1:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zito for Juan Gonzalez?

Is that guy still around? Some team must still be on the hook for him.

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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 1:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nah

he probably is still out there beating women

by wilriv21 on Dec 9, 2008 1:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

unless the interest in dunn steps up significantly, i think theres a chance someone will get him for like 3 yrs 36mm, in which case plzplzpzplzplzplzplzplz to be signing him.

by TimLincecumIsGod on Dec 9, 2008 2:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and play him at 1B?

Unless Beltre is signed, an infield of Dunn, Frandsen, Renteria, & Pablo will be epically bad.

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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 2:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hence trading for beltre is 2 steps before signing dunn

by TimLincecumIsGod on Dec 9, 2008 3:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what do you propose we trade for Beltre?

I’m thinking it will take more than Agent Jack, or something that would be acceptable to most around here.

Plus, Sabean has already said he’s not looking for any rent-a-players.

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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 3:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

rotation

cc
tim
cain
ugly
zito

…damn.

by Viliphied on Dec 9, 2008 1:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Suck on that Cubbies

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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 9, 2008 1:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm in.

and I’d love to see Sanchez pitch so ridiculously well that they HAVE to bump Zito out of the rotation. That or see Bumgarner skyrocket through the farm a la Lincecum….either way, end result is the same.

by ExcuseMeSwing on Dec 9, 2008 1:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Grasshopper, please be paient with Bumgarner.

by wilriv21 on Dec 9, 2008 1:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i’m just saying, i’d love to see him force the organization’s hand the way Tim did. If madison’s dominating triple AAA talent it’s nothing but gravy..and even if he did I’m also not opposed to letting him stay in Fresno.

it’s just so easy to get greedy looking at the rotation and thinking “my god, there are so many better in-house options than Zito”
but ultimately, i do wish Barry future success…i’m just tempering my expectations.

by ExcuseMeSwing on Dec 9, 2008 1:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i do think Zito improves from last year

however, if he continues to decline, it’s time to cut and run.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 1:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cut his wrists?

harsh.

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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 9, 2008 2:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sure

Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Dec 9, 2008 2:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lineup

winn
rentaria
pablo
dunn
beltre
lewis
rowand
2b

or some sort
in any case, way the hell better than last year

by Viliphied on Dec 9, 2008 1:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just throw some Cy Youngs out there?

8 of them, to be exact. 9 when Matt wins one next year.

by jctGamer on Dec 9, 2008 2:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matt will only win if CC is hitting behind him at cleanup.

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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 9, 2008 2:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Puppy for Matt!

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Dec 9, 2008 2:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He’ll name his Young

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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 9, 2008 2:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And they’ll fetch the bats from home plate awww

by shanghaijim on Dec 9, 2008 8:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man, I am so epically :DDDDDDDD: about CC.

I don’t know what to think

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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Dec 9, 2008 2:11 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That like..

Blew my…

whoah.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 9, 2008 8:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blew your what!? I have to know if I need to delete your comment for being inappropriate or not!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Dec 9, 2008 8:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HARRASSMENT

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Dec 9, 2008 8:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I always knew he was a pervert hiding behind the sweet, innocent face of a walrus.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Dec 9, 2008 9:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ken Rosenthal blogging:

With the Boston Red Sox expected to trade Mike Lowell if they sign first baseman Mark Teixeira (Kevin Youkilis would move from first to third), the San Francisco Giants have emerged as an option, since they need a third baseman. Lowell is coming off hip surgery, so teams might want to see him play in spring training before acquiring him. The Giants tentatively plan to play Pablo Sandoval at third, but they have been linked to a variety of third basemen. —Ed Price

by wilriv21 on Dec 9, 2008 2:21 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds like the Joe Crede sitchu last year…

The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.

by Mike Hawk on Dec 9, 2008 2:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
comics | art | Nattowear | McFAQ I & II

by Natto on Dec 9, 2008 2:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it costs way too much to sign CC

signing CC is still not a good idea for the Giants unless they’re willing to seriously raise payroll.

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 9, 2008 2:27 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I feel the same way.

Then again, CC Sabathia is a fucking awesome pitcher…

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Dec 9, 2008 2:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is a true statement. But we owe Zito $94M over the next 5 years, so signing CC to a long term deal without raising payroll may not be the most prudent business decision.

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 9, 2008 2:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nuke is loaded. Giants are rolling in Comcast dollars.

My tickets will be CHEAPER next year.

I say go for it.

Charlie Hayes ate my homework

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 9, 2008 2:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey, if they got the money, then by all means, they should spend some of it.

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 9, 2008 2:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If that land deal goes through, that’s a lot more revenue that can be used.

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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 9, 2008 3:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

(semi) OT

I liked the letter to the editor in the SF Chron Sunday suggesting that Donald and Doris Fisher’s (he the GAP founder) proposed Art museum would be perfect for the Lot A land development (rather than the Presidio).

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Dec 9, 2008 3:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is the GOOD news. The BAD news is the price for garlic fries will double.

by wilriv21 on Dec 9, 2008 3:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hm

I see someone with similar sentiments on Bagg’s blog.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 2:32 PM PST