First Base Trades?
by uber on Dec 8, 2008 4:02 PM PST
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It seems like the Giants are looking to make a trade for a bat rather than go to the FA market for one. To be fair, other than Burrell or Dunn, there isnt much out there. I posted earlier on the possibility of a trade for a 3rd baseman. This is somewhat based on my feeling (and I admit its just a feeling) that Pablo should start at first -- not to mention the fact that the Giants seem, based on every rumor, to be looking for one.
But, I am willing to conceed to what appears to be a majority opinion that Pablito can and should start at 3rd. So if convincing Dunn or Burrel to play 1st may not happen, which 1st baseman could the Giants trade for and what would it take?
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I hear Milwaukee has this rather good first baseman named Prince Fielder.
I wonder if they might take Matt Cain for him.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 8, 2008 4:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
Cain’s probably a 3rd starter at best…
by NeifiChicken on Dec 8, 2008 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NO
Matt Cain is better than Prince Fielder, and the difference is not even close. With Cain gone we’d have to sign CC, which would get expensive real fast with Prince being expensive really fast as well.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry you don’t want to improve the team! We need offense a lot, look at how many runs we score. NONE! And Matt Cain sucks anyway, he’s a losing pitcher.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 8, 2008 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Cain was 8-14. Prince Fielder has 102 RBIs. That proves what a great trade this would be, a losing pitcher for a 100 RBI guy!
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I TRIED TO SAY THIS BEFORE
NO ONE LISTENED!
by Ulnar Maws on Dec 8, 2008 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the first time I have ever heard of this idea
Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!
by j14 on Dec 8, 2008 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The snarky factor is rampant here.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Dec 8, 2008 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No…really?
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on Dec 8, 2008 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL FATTSTE TEAM EVAR!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2008 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
now youre talking….though I think all the “trade Matt Cain” posts would probably fill up a series not just one novel.
by sam23 on Dec 8, 2008 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll add it to mine.
needs a new subplot anyway now that lincecum keeps turning fiction into reality.
by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2008 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More serious response
-Ryan Howard could be avaliable, but not worth the cost.
-Thome and Konerko could be had for virtually nothing, but make too much to be worth it
-Derek Lee could be traded, but has plenty of question marks himself
-Adam LaRoche and Lyle Overbay seem continually on the trade market…and no one cares
Most intriguing option: Kyle Blanks…Padres farm system. If the Padres view Adrian Gonzalez as their 1B of the future Blanks will become a valuable trade piece. Problem is we’d need to give up a lot. The asking price would probably be Tim Alderson…which would be tough to stomach for many.
If it was Sanchez I’d do it immediately, but realistically I think Alderson would be the price. Blanks would be a beast though…
by NeifiChicken on Dec 8, 2008 4:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m far more confident in Rowand bouncing back than I am in Konerko.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 8, 2008 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
more a deal to free up monies. Konerko is due 1/2 what Rowand is due
by wilriv21 on Dec 8, 2008 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
fair point.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 8, 2008 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In that case
why not use some of the freed up money to entice CC and his bay area-loving wife?
Except I’ve never been a fan of Konerko. He seems far too inconsistent.
by Useful_Idiot on Dec 9, 2008 12:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would too...
for money purposes alone
by NeifiChicken on Dec 8, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would do it just to be rid of Rowand…..money purposes or not.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Dec 8, 2008 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OT
But do you read your name as ‘old rips’ or ‘ol drips’? I hope it’s the first one.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we've covered this already....
Oh, but we didn’t get an answer.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Anti-Rowand Bandwagon
…I just don’t get it.
Now that I’ve said that, I’m sure the thread will be flooded about how terrible he is and how the entire future of the Giants has been sunk with his horrible contract, and how he hits like Eugenio Velez, and fields like Eugenio Velez and runs like…well…Bengie.
In fact, I think Rowand is probably better than “pretty OK.” I think the comment “I would do it just to be rid of Rowand” is just going too far. I mean…he ain’t Zito.
I am HEREBY PROCLAIMING MYSELF McC Aaron Rowand Fan Club president. Current membership of 1. You can all ridicule me in 2009 if need be.
Ralph Barbieri, heal thyself.
by ThrillisGone22 on Dec 8, 2008 11:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not terrible. He’s just too redundant for the money. That pretty much sums up the rational anti-side.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2008 11:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the rational anti-side
I keep getting the impression (see above) that there’s plenty of irrational anti-side.
Besides, if I’m I’m going to lead the Aaron Rowand charge, wouldn’t it just be more fun to make fun of me than Rowand?
Ralph Barbieri, heal thyself.
by ThrillisGone22 on Dec 9, 2008 12:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't ignore the fodder angle.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Dec 9, 2008 3:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have nothing against Rowand, but he makes no sense whatsoever being on this team.
by Natto on Dec 9, 2008 12:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The money is bad but not crippling.
The player is unnecessary.
It doesn’t help that he was pretty bad last year.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Dec 9, 2008 1:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Rowand is generally a pretty good player, but he’s redundant on the Giants and you have to be a bit concerned by how bad he was last year.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 9, 2008 5:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think..
The general idea at least is, of course I may be guessing here, but I believe it’s that he is redundant on this team and last year was not a good sign.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 9, 2008 6:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m intrigued, you’d do Konerko for money purposes. I wonder what he thinks about this offer.
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by Goofus on Dec 8, 2008 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Indecent Proposal!
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Dec 9, 2008 6:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So..
Alderson is more valuable than Sanchez? Boy, I’d put it the other way around. Sanchez has experience at the major league level, and at least has success as a reliever and has been inunnonconsistent as a starter. Alderson had a great year in A+ but he’s still a 19 year old in the low minors.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IAWTC
by FairweatherFan on Dec 8, 2008 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The way I equate this...
If Alderson was on another team and we could get him for Sanchez, would i take the trade? The answer is yes.
The question works vice versa too.
Alderson to me is a much more valuable than Sanchez
by NeifiChicken on Dec 8, 2008 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno..
Alderson is still unknown. Sanchez can range anywhere from an average reliever at his low point to a #2-3 starter at his high point.
Alderson could probably range anywhere in that as well, with the closer aspect thrown in as most teams don’t use a lefty as their closer. But Sanchez is alraedy here and proven that he’s at least the average reliever. Alderson has some good scouting reports and good minor league stats, but again he’s only 19 years old. Who knows what could happen.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Grass?
I thought we were talking about baseball. I think that analogy only works when you don’t have both players already on your team.
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by The Thrill on Dec 8, 2008 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I’d rather stick with our options at first.
by Natto on Dec 8, 2008 4:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
But later we can try other options?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2008 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In that case...
he’ll have nothing to do with Dmitri.
Ralph Barbieri, heal thyself.
by ThrillisGone22 on Dec 8, 2008 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What in the f*** is a lifestyle?!
Molina's gonna test his arm...
by Victorious Secret on Dec 9, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blanks
Just looked up his AA numbers and ya, I can see why you are intrigued. I started this post because I found myself pokin around the Royals site. Dont know what they need as far as a trade (I guess everyone needs pitching) but I am intrigued by Ryan Sheely or Billy Ray Butler. Sheely hasnt played much so its hard to get a good sense of his potential, but, with the Royals trading for Mike Jocobs (I would have liked that trade with the Marlins over this Cantu nonsense) it seems Butler may find his ABs drastically cut. Havnt followed him much, thoughts?
by uber on Dec 8, 2008 4:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Shealy has had about 500 mlb AB’s to not do a whole lot.
I won’t even get into the whole Jacobs thing.
Butler seems like a future stud, but alas, no DH in the National league.
by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh.
How hard is it to play 1B?
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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JT can teach anyone!!!……hey why not just bring JT back?
by sam23 on Dec 8, 2008 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The only way I’d ever trade for a Billy Ray is if he’s playing football. Billy Ray is not a baseball name, no matter how good his minor league stats. Billy Rays only play along the offensive line. This is a true fact. I don’t work with any Billy Rays, YOU don’t work with any Billy Rays, there are no Billy Rays in the Baseball Hall Of Fame (don’t look this up, just assume it’s probably true)… The only First Name Rays you know are in Not Another Teen Movie, Varsity Blues, the Footbal Hall of Fame (don’t look this up either, just know it’s true), other football related things, and the deep south, where they groom people to become offensive linemen for their local high school football teams.
Do not want Billy Ray on the Giants. Unless it’s the New York Giants.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Dec 8, 2008 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I had no idea Butler’s middle name is Ray.
by Natto on Dec 8, 2008 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Darn you and your logic at pointing out the fudgeup I did on Billy Ray’s name!
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Dec 9, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade for Billy Ray Cyrus
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hannah Ray Montanna?
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Dec 8, 2008 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bgunn wins it!
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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hannah Montannah?
by FairweatherFan on Dec 8, 2008 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
kinda sad that a whole generation of kids will know Billy for being Hannah Montana’s dad rather than for this
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ack!
That’s probably worse than a rickroll.
And I beg to differ. They don’t know Billy at all. They just know “Hannah Montana’s dad.”
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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i'll always associate BRC with Bill Hicks' 1st TV show:
“Let’s Hunt and Kill Billy Ray Cyrus”
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Dec 9, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and for those of you not familiar with Bill Hicks,
take one part Dennis Leary, add one part funny,
and two parts original.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Dec 9, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
zomg
here’s the bit
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Dec 9, 2008 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if it's just a "name esthetics" thing...
…then I’m voting NO to anyone named Blanks.
No facts/stats (Me? Are you kidding?) , just a gut feeling. Something visceral. Can’t stomach it.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Dec 9, 2008 3:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, if you are looking for a Burrell / Dunn type bat
there’s a whole lot of that type of player, good hitter, poor defender in a corner spot, available this offeseason:
among the FAs, Burrell, Dunn, Ibanez, Abreu.
And the WS are apparently shopping Jermaine Dye.
All of them are very similar players, offensively and defensively.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on Dec 8, 2008 5:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and, hey...
Jermaine played 1B in high school.
Pitched, too.
by kaliber on Dec 8, 2008 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
trade for Jermaine and put him in the bullpen
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of jermaine
I heard Jerome Williams was on the A’s!
Proud father of Eric Surcamp!
by The Thrill on Dec 8, 2008 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A’s fans will look good in Puka shells…both of them.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Dec 9, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuckit, let's sign Giambi
2 year deal, 15m, get it done Sabes.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 8, 2008 6:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
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by Zetsuboushita on Dec 8, 2008 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
iawtc. We need another short term signing, maybe not giambi, but nothing huge commited for first because Anvil is going to be in the bigs by 21 y/o. At least I think Anvil will be in the bigs by 21.
I can haz homerunz!
by jbowl on Dec 8, 2008 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm only partially kidding
Giambi aside, I am probably more in favor of signing a FA for one of the OF corners than trading away Sanchez for a questionable or aging player with only 1-2 years left of control.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 8, 2008 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, I just don’t want to sign any firstbasemen for more than 3 years because we Anvil.
I can haz homerunz!
by jbowl on Dec 8, 2008 7:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Angel is not quite at the status of verb usage.
I think only Tim is really at that level.
"Well that’s it, tomorrow’s game the Giants will Tim us.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right. And I am horrible with typing the English language!
I can haz homerunz!
by jbowl on Dec 8, 2008 7:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Horrible are you.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am horrible english language!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2008 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am horribleenglish language!
Fixed.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I amhorribleenglishlanguage!
by FairweatherFan on Dec 8, 2008 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I speak english….I learn it from a boook.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha, lets all laugh at and kick the fat kid while he is down!
I can haz homerunz!
by jbowl on Dec 8, 2008 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So..
Are you both kicking and laughing at yourself and calling yourself fat?
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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my dream scenario for the offseason
make a trade for a young stud 3B; Sanchez, Winn, and Burris for Brandon Wood
trade Molina for something of value, have Pablo Sandoval catch
sign Randy Johnson for 1 year $10 million
sign a decently productive veteran 1B for a one year deal (make sure he is also a “good clubhouse presence” so they can be sure he is teaching the young players “to play the game the right way”) my choice would be Kevin Millar
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If by "playing the game the right way"
You mean OPSing over .750, Millar might not be the best choice.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 8, 2008 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
COWBOY UP!!! PASS THE JACK!
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
by WTF on Dec 8, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was mostly just throwing a name out with Millar, it wasn’t terribly thought out. Prior to last year, Millar had an OPS of 785, 811, 754, and 857. It may be that he is totally done as a player (he is 37) rather than last year’s 717 being just a down year, the scouts would have to tell you that.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your dreams are a sandwich with delicious meat and disgusting bread,
by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe some sort of raisin loaf?
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One of those kinds of bread you can get at Trader Joes that has like 126 whole grains, looks like bird crap and is chewy like a stale granola bar.
by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate those breads. Hate ’em.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want to be able to pick things out of my bread!
by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bread is made for eatin’ not pickin’!
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Those loaves seem to expire quickly. So in the freezer they go.
Nothing says yummy like cold, hard, tasteless, yet healthy bread.
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 8, 2008 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t eat any bread that is not totally bleached pure white.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
with the crusts cut off! Thanks Mom.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Dec 9, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t eat bread because I’m afraid of the quality of the bread.
That’s why I drink beer!
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about beer breaded things?
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by WalrusMan on Dec 9, 2008 6:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ironic, because my life is pretty much the same way
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ackptooey
sign Randy Johnson for 1 year $10 million
Didn’t I say “No Blanks”?
B – sides , are he and his back issues worth that much money? Isn’t there some run – scoring potential more worthy of it?
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Dec 9, 2008 3:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
assuming your sincere...
I will admit I dont know much about Brandon Wood other than his stats from last year, so, what is the potential you see in a player that went .200/.274/.327 in his 55 games last year? What do you see in him that would justify trading all those players? I am not flaming you here, I am genuinely interested in what you see? Otherwise, I am not sure about Millar, if you sign a 3B then play pablito at 1st. As for Johnson, I like this idea.
by uber on Dec 9, 2008 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Haven’t we already been over this?
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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 8:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the post is about 1B
not the DL.
teehee.
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
by WTF on Dec 8, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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