Winter Meetings

by Grant on Dec 8, 2008 12:25 PM PST Comment 147 comments

Winter Meetings! Winter Meetings!

Let’s see…the Giants are linked to Miguel Tejada, Hank Blalock, Ken Boyer, Tom O’Malley, and every other player who has played third base in the past, could play third base in the future, has made it to third base on a recent date, or has ever listened to 3rd Bass’ "The Cactus Album" in its entirety. The Miguel Tejada rumor from Ken Rosenthal, for example, reads like the Giants might have interest in Tejada because Rosenthal thinks that the Giants might have interest in Tejada.

It makes sense. Kind of. The Edgar Renteria Paradigm changes everything. The ERP, defined:

The Giants are rebuilding, and they have a top-five farm system. However, the reason the top-five farm system is ranked so highly is solely because of prospects in the low minors. It would be overly optimistic to expect much of an impact from these prospects before 2010 at the earliest. So if the Giants can acquire veterans to improve the team in the short-term – no contracts longer than two years, and no MLB-ready prospects blocked – then Brian Sabean should be open to those options.

Your mileage may vary with Renteria if you believe Burriss qualifies as an MLB-ready prospect, but that’s a debate for another time. A difference with Blalock or Tejada, though, is that both of them would block someone who is ostensibly ready. If the Giants trade Jack Taschner and some homemade banana bread for Blalock, that’d be just swell. But that would mean that Pablo Sandoval would need to get the bulk of his at-bats at first base, which would leave Travis Ishikawa out in the cold. While Ishikawa isn’t a great prospect, it would be worth it to find out if his 2008 breakout is for real.

There are obvious reasons to leave Ishikawa out in the cold, mind you. If the Giants can miraculously swing a Cain-less trade for Chris Davis, or if Mark Teixeira wants to take a below-market deal because of San Francisco’s thriving theater scene, then they can worry about Ishikawa later. But consider these options:

Miguel Tejada – 3B – 1 year, $13M
Hank Blalock – 3B – 1 year, $6.2M
Paul Konerko – 1B – 2 years, $24M
Joe Crede – 3B – 1 year, FA contract

If any of these players are put up on Craigslist with a "Free to good home"-ad, should the Giants take the bait? Maybe all of the above teams are kidding themselves and expecting actual prospects/players in return. But pretend that they aren’t.

My super-secret counterintuitive plan: Trade for one of the stopgap third basemen, and trade Bengie Molina. The Giants would get a year to see if Sandoval can catch at the major league level, a Josh Phelps/Travis Ishikawa platoon would get a chance, and the organization would probably receive a nice prospect or two in return for Molina.

Chances of that happening: -56%. There’s just no way the Giants will trade Molina before the deadline. So we’re back to the original comment starter: Should the Giants accept a free Blalock, Konerko, Crede, or Tejada if any of them are offered? Free as in "talent required to give up", not as in money. Because they'll cost a lot of money.

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Should the Giants look for short-term solutions at one of the corner infield positions?

Yes

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No

120 votes

It depends on the player

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Very quiet so far in Vegas for all teams including the Giants. Here’s the latest on CC Sabathia and other rumors that circled over the weekend.

December 7th-8th

San Francisco has discussed parameters with Sabathia’s agent, Greg Genske, but no official offer has been made. The Giants could be prepared to top Milwaukee’s offer but will not approach New York’s outlay – a package in the range of $120 million, however, could be possible. That might be enough to convince Sabathia, a product of Vallejo, Calif., approximately 30 minutes from San Francisco.

    It is expected that Sabathia – who came to Las Vegas to watch Saturday’s fight and hobnob a little – will meet with both the Brewers and Red Sox before leaving for home on Monday.

    — Bryan Hoch

    http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/12/yankees_sabathia_meet_but_cont.html

Patrick Newman of NPB Tracker passes along nuggets on Kenshin Kawakami and Koji Uehara. He says the Angels contacted Kawakami’s agent, while the Tigers and Giants have been in touch with Uehara’s.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/odds-and-ends-b.html

Marlins right fielder Jeremy Hermida is said to interest the Reds, Rays, and Giants. John Perrotto says the Rays have inquired on Hermida.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/cafardos-latest.html

The Rockies prefer to keep Garrett Atkins, but the Twins, Dodgers, Giants, and Phillies are all interested. Chase Utley has been a long-time supporter of bringing his former UCLA teammate to the Phils for a reunion.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/rosenthals-la-4.html

T.R. Sullivan writes that the Rangers and Giants will discuss a potential deal to send Hank Blalock to San Francisco.

    The teams match up well on paper, with the Giants needing offense and the Rangers in need of pitching. Texas is interested in Matt Cain, but know the Giants won’t move him easily (especially for Blalock). Their focus will likely shift to Jonathan Sanchez.

    Blalock still doesn’t seem like enough for Sanchez. Can the two teams work out a package?

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/giants-rangers.html

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by ejdacanay on Dec 8, 2008 12:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I’d rather sign Crede for a year than trade anything of value for one of those three.

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by jponry on Dec 8, 2008 12:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Now Beltre, on the other hand…

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by jponry on Dec 8, 2008 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I left him out because I’m assuming the M’s GM isn’t a Bavasi-sized goof, and he’ll actually want good players in return for Beltre.

by Grant on Dec 8, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe

he will take Darren Ford, since the Big Z drafted him in Milwaukee, he can be one of the throw in’s to go along with a pitcher or two.

by Hobbes2d on Dec 8, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ah. Thanks for reminding me.

by Grant on Dec 8, 2008 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

why would Crede take a 1 year deal??

And, as discussed, moving Pablito to 1B is stupid.

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by zenbitz on Dec 8, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

because he can’t get a 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6 year deal

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

special kind of secret and counterintuitive

the shared kind

by BigO on Dec 8, 2008 12:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Every time someone makes a 3rd Bass reference, an angel gets a 3rd Bass reference.

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by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 12:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Pete Nice & Pete Happy mighta made a nice double-play combo.

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Dec 8, 2008 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m a Pete Rock fan myself.

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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 8, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

T.R.O.Y.

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by ThrillisGone22 on Dec 9, 2008 12:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If Crede will sign for one year, him all the way.

/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 12:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

And I don’t think it’s even close.

/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i'd be okay with 2 years even

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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 8, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

1 or 2 years of Casey Blake

anyone? Too much?

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by MeSoKrabby on Dec 8, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

CASEY BLAKE’S POOPIN!

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by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

One year of Casey Blake? It’s only a one year deal, however bad he may be.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Agent Ned

Wants him back with the Bums for 3+ years according to Tim Brown.

You know what you have to do Agent

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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 8, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

0 years deal.

we can rent his beard for a few months. That’s it.

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by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

OoooOooo!

Can I wear it? I need some warmth but can’t really get mine to grow fast enough.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It’s yours, big guy

Now you look like a viking!

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by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Instant “Gamer” tag given by Agent Ned

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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 8, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

BATTLE HELMET TO THE READY

Oh, you guys don’t work with me. Nevermind.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Crede

If he was cheap I’d be in… He has a mess of a back which should give Pablo plenty of 3rd base starts

by lincysgiants on Dec 8, 2008 1:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

i like the “it is ok to sign vets, since they won’t block prospects, because they’ll be hurt all the time” argument. but it is also sorta silly.

Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.

by kennv on Dec 8, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Grant's suggestion

Is the one that has been forming in my mind as well. IF we can pickup any of those players (lets include Beltre in this as well, assuming the cost isn’t too high) then the natural next step is to trade Molina.

I am perfectly comfortable seeing if some combination of Sandoval/Holm can be the backstop next season. The Ishikawa/Phelps/Sandoval Trifecta at first and the velez/Frandsen/Burriss outcome at 2b (I really think it is Frandsen’s to lose, btw) would make a pretty interesting team.

Something like this:

Sandoval C/1B/3B
Holm Bench/C
Ishskawa/Phelps platoon 1B
Frandsen 2B/3B/SS
Velez Bench/2B/OF
Mystery Veteran 3B

Question is, Will Renteria cover enough innings @ SS that we are comfortable letting Frandsen cover the rest? Or do we need Burriss (Nochoa?) rotting on the bench – I would much rather Burriss spend the entire season in fresno unless he proves during the first half that he is too good for it (doubtful).

Another option would have Nochoa as the backup infielder as he can play either 2b or SS. However, if you are going to do that you might as well release Velez, and I’m not ready to give up on Eugenio yet.

McC's Outstanding Newcomer '08.

by FairweatherFan on Dec 8, 2008 1:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

And yes, I think it's possible that Frandsen can cover SS

Spring training ‘08 aside – I don’t think we can automatically exclude him from that possibility. He was playing with a damaged achillies after all.

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by FairweatherFan on Dec 8, 2008 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Was he playing with a damaged achilles tendon?

Most of the time Achilles Tendons break from either extreme pressure or freak accident. Frandsen was starting to run if I recall correctly. My dad broke his when he jogged over from the camera to the group of people we were taking a picture of. (Interesting picture by the way.) It’s a strange tendon.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If I remember correctly, I think he did it rounding a base

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by stealth snail on Dec 8, 2008 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I like the idea of trading Molina because there are so many decent teams in desperate need of catching; the Mets, the Red Sox (potentially), the Astros, the Reds, etc. If we do trade Molina, I would be in favor of signing a veteran catcher to backup and mentor Sandoval. The likes of Matt Treanor or Brian Schneider could be had for next to nothing and would have a very positive influence on Pablo I think.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm in favor of trading Molina..

But it depends on what we can get back. Suffice it to say he was either our #1 or #2 hitter last year (with Winn). If we lose him we have even a worse offense. He’s still a good player. I’d want something substantial in return.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

There’s also the possibility that Aurilia, or the Great Leono could be re-signed and made the general Utility IF backup and right handed “power” off the bench. If the “big” signing or trade doesn’t happen, they could also steal some at-bats/platoon with Sandoval at Third. I’d prefer not Nochoa.

Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.

by kennv on Dec 8, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Richie most likely will not be back with the Giants.

There amass been plenty of articles written this spring about the stud shortstop Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum , as well as the fluid young outfielders and thirteen basemen Kevin Frandsen.
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by Natto on Dec 8, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

As Natto says.

Aurilia will probably be gone, the Cubs are looking at him for backup IF.

I can see Leone staying with us though.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Leone signed with the Yankees.

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by Zetsuboushita on Dec 8, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow..

I’d think that every 3B who never got a fighting chance would want to sign with us. Leone ain’t gonna break into the majors at 3B for the Yankees.

Interesting he’s listed as an OF though. I know he played all those positions last year in Fresno. He filled in at 2B, SS, 3B, and the OF last year.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Leone ain’t gonna break into the majors at 3B for the Yankees.

Why not? Do they have someone good there?

GROUGTHINK ALERT

by groug on Dec 8, 2008 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The guy they have isn’t a true Yankee.

by Natto on Dec 8, 2008 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

how about just: Leone ain’t gonna break into the majors ~~at 3B for the Yankees.~~ Unless returning to your hometown to coach High School baseball is referred to as “the majors”

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I’d be open to trading Molina for value, partly because I think we need to give Pablo every oportunity to see if he can play catcher (we’ll see what happens when Posey’s ready). Catcher is just a much weaker hitting position in the league than first base, or even third base. It would be nice to get the production he’s capable of from behind the dish.

(By the way, wOBA averages by position came out not too long ago for 2008. Catchers had the lowest, at .310, while first basemen had the highest, at .345)

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by raisingcain on Dec 8, 2008 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Crede, Blalock are too injury prone for my liking.

I would still rather just play as many kids as possible.

TI, Pablo, Velez, Burriss, Frandsen. 5 guys vying for playing time at 3 IF spots (since Molina likely isn’t going anywhere, and we picked up Rent-a-wreckia). None of those guys is a really good option at 3rd, but I just want to see all of them get as many AB’s as possible.

by Gregjitsu on Dec 8, 2008 1:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Tejada gets the Gas Face.

Go Fred Lewis... You're better than the alternative... Yippee...

by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Dec 8, 2008 1:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Giants to wait on extension for Winn

by Grant on Dec 8, 2008 1:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I saw this, too and I was like “duh”

/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That’s probably for the best.

by chilibean_3 on Dec 8, 2008 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

oh sweet Christ, that link led me to click on this. Please, God no!

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If that trade happens, I’ll go gray.

/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe we’ll get the Marlins’ Mike Stanton thrown in because Sabean thinks it’s the reliever.

by Grant on Dec 8, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

HEY, MIKE STANTON, I KNOW THAT GUY!

/trades

And then he’d be really disappointed it wasn’t the 52-year-old left-handed Mike Stanton.

/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

CLOSER EXPERIENCE!

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ACCIDENTAL DFA

GROUGTHINK ALERT

by groug on Dec 8, 2008 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Really, who would you do first?

Oh, go gray.

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by ThrillisGone22 on Dec 9, 2008 12:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sabean has to know that wouldn’t be a good trade for us, right?

I mean come on. RIGHT???

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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Dec 8, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I wish there was some way we could contact him and be like “Look, Jonathan Sanchez was much better than his ERA last season. Cantu gives back most of the runs he produces on offense on defense. DON’T DO IT, MAN!”

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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Dec 8, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

After he goes so crazy about SPEED'N'DEFENSE

He does things like this. It’s like a crack addict relapsing. (You know, I bet others could have come up with a lot better similes.)

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

jponry

You have a pretty good streak going of making a comment, and then replying to your own comment. I’m sure I’ve seen it a few times recently.

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by ThrillisGone22 on Dec 9, 2008 12:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think it’s kind of a nice touch.

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by ThrillisGone22 on Dec 9, 2008 12:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

How else do you think I’ve gotten to 20,000+ comments on here?

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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Dec 9, 2008 5:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously?

You should try something else, dude.

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by ThrillisGone22 on Dec 9, 2008 7:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You should try something else, ~~dude~~ dudette.

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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 9, 2008 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

NO WAY HE’S A GIRL?

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by WalrusMan on Dec 9, 2008 8:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

On the intraweb?!? NO SUCH THING!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 9, 2008 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

LIES

by Natto on Dec 9, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I CAN HAS 2 X CHROMOSOMEZ?

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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 9, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

:D

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by ThrillisGone22 on Dec 9, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i have to say, i object strongly to any use of the word “dudette”.

dude is gender neutral.

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by jponry on Dec 9, 2008 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

K Dude.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 9, 2008 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

what if

you were referring to a small dude?

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by zenbitz on Dec 10, 2008 8:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Dudito

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Dec 10, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I do this all the time.

/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 9, 2008 5:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

nah you don't

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by WalrusMan on Dec 9, 2008 6:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well..

I guess yea you do pretty often.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 9, 2008 6:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I still don’t believe the rumor, but Jesus, I would feel much better if we could just stop reading about

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It’s not as bad as Lincecum for Rios, but it’s pretty close.

Actually, at least Rios is a good player.

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by jponry on Dec 8, 2008 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

it’s like a miniature Lincecum for Rios

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Why?

by chilibean_3 on Dec 8, 2008 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I saw this too..

Why would we even be talking extension with Winn? He’ll go to free agency next year I’d say. Unless Lewis, Rowand, or Schierholtz is tragically injured or traded next year he’s pretty much gone.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Konerko is on a power decline. 8 of 9 years, well over 800 OPS, then last year it’s down around 770. Was he hurt?
Only Beltre looks any better than “play the kids” to me. OK, maybe Crede for 1 year

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by foothillsfan on Dec 8, 2008 1:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I meant to put this in the original post, but Konerko’s BABIP was low last year, while his line drive percentage was normal. He is a decent bet to improve, though not a great one.

by Grant on Dec 8, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Question about Cantu

Is he arbitration eligible this year and in line for a huge raise?

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by Mike Hawk on Dec 8, 2008 1:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Si

And about $3.5M-4m

by wilriv21 on Dec 8, 2008 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

hank blalok is a piece of crap

i do NOT want that guy. injured, overrated, awful.

by HoLdEmUP on Dec 8, 2008 1:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Giants interested in Delmon Young?

by Grant on Dec 8, 2008 2:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Burriss and Schierholtz for Young? Who here does it?

by Grant on Dec 8, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

His power sure has fallen off since AA...

I think I’d do it though. Young is probably already at Schierholtz’s level of production and is younger. Plus look at his name. All good players are named Young.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

definitely pull that trigger

let somebody else figure out if Burriss and Nate have skillz

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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 8, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I’d do that, but would the Twins?

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Dec 8, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The Phillies were said to be offering Jason Donald, and I thought he was a semi-prospect, so I figured our equiv. player was Burriss. But it turns out that Donald’s pretty good..

by Grant on Dec 8, 2008 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

to a non-Giants fan Burris and Schierholtz = a SS that can’t hit and a AAAA player/ 4th OF.

I think some form of a Young for Beltre trade makes too much sense not to happen.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Triunfel’s only a couple of years away, so perhaps the Mariners also make Bettencourt available in the deal for some of MIN’s pitching….

by aGIANTfan on Dec 8, 2008 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I would do that a million times over

I think even with Young’s value having fallen, the Twins could get substantially more than that for him

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

With a quickness.

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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 8, 2008 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t trust the Giants trading with the Twins for reasons I can’t remember.

by Natto on Dec 8, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

why be in the nile?

by wilriv21 on Dec 8, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh that's right.

Last time the Giants traded with the Twins we never figured out who got traded. The press release reading was interupted by the news of the Nile flooding.

We never really figured that out did we? Even xanthan tried to computer it but couldn’t get the 1’s and 2’s right.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not a big Dustan Mohr fan, huh?

GROUGTHINK ALERT

by groug on Dec 8, 2008 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I’ll never forgive him for catching that ball in foul territory in that game in San Diego at the end of the ’04 season.

by Natto on Dec 8, 2008 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I still hold.

He had a chance to gun down the guy at home if he didn’t trip over the mound.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's time

…to let go of Dan Gladden.

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by ThrillisGone22 on Dec 9, 2008 12:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

do your tire kicking and due diligence, Sabes. Have to know who Young is and why he is being traded once again.

by wilriv21 on Dec 8, 2008 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd trade Sanchez for him

Burris and Schierholtz I would have done weeks ago. Problem is, they want a 3B, much like us.

Do you Wazzel?

by NeifiChicken on Dec 8, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

MLBTR

Just shot down the rumor again -_-

Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.

by ejdacanay on Dec 8, 2008 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Christ, the one rumor I actually wish were true

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Foreal

Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.

by ejdacanay on Dec 8, 2008 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What is this crap that Sabathia told Ned Colletti he want to be a Dodger?

by wilriv21 on Dec 8, 2008 2:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I think what CC meant to say was " I want to be a Dodger killer".

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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 8, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

CC has a sense of humor!

by Natto on Dec 8, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

when Ned signs him for 10/$250

you won’t be so upset.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Dec 8, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

thinking more like 6yrs/4125M will get it done

by wilriv21 on Dec 8, 2008 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

$687.5 mil a season might be a bit much

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Dec 8, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Nah

working with bailout monies

by wilriv21 on Dec 8, 2008 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sanchez for Cantu Rumors Refuse To Die

So, what additons to either or both sides of this could make it a good deal for the Giants and still something the Marlins would do?

by giantsrainman on Dec 8, 2008 3:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

They have Hermida...

He’d make me happy

Well, that or us adding in Zito

by dprodigy19 on Dec 8, 2008 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I Thought About Adding Hermida Too

But I am thinking this would not be acceptable to the Marlins. Maybe we add Ishikawa and this all works?

by giantsrainman on Dec 8, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

With Gaby Sanchez ready to take over 1b for Marlins they may not want TI

by wilriv21 on Dec 8, 2008 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Who Then Do You Think Would Make This Work For Both The Giants And The Marlins?

by giantsrainman on Dec 8, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Uggla

by wilriv21 on Dec 8, 2008 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Do You Really Think Sanchez Would Be Enough To Get Uggla?

I sure don’t.

by giantsrainman on Dec 8, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Then Sabean would need to determine if the additional parts are worth the trade

by wilriv21 on Dec 8, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Baggs finally finishes his round on the links to blog.

by wilriv21 on Dec 8, 2008 3:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

And they called it...

Puppy <3

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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 8, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sigh

by wilriv21 on Dec 8, 2008 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think it is pronounced “Cy”

Charlie Hayes ate my homework

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 8, 2008 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

FCK. CC Sabathia was just interviewed

and he did say he wants to be a Dodger. He just said he’d take a pay cut too. Here’s the interview _ :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.

by ejdacanay on Dec 8, 2008 3:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

smells of Rick Astley

The Denker bus is now bound for San Diego. Those who were passengers on it are now angrily stranded at a gas station in Modesto, CA. Not much about baseball here .

by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He's dead to me.

CC, not Astley.

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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 8, 2008 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, he knows the rules and so do we.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Dec 8, 2008 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He’s got to make us understand.

by Natto on Dec 8, 2008 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought he was building a house in SoCal.

by timmeh on Dec 8, 2008 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Really? Rick Astley’s building a house in SoCal?

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

no, CC. sorry if the reply was unclear.

by timmeh on Dec 9, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Bidding war between G’s and Dog-ears is a pretty solid business plan.

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Dec 8, 2008 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I continue to object...

…to the notion that Sandoval is or should be considered an everyday answer to third base right now.

He has yet to prove he can play there for an extended period….ever. He has barely played there at all since 2006, and the majority of his experience has been still part-time starts in the winter league this year.

I’d agree it’s a block at first base, but at third? I’m unconvinced the Giants have a legitimate option there in 2009, and I’d put Frandsen there ahead of Sandoval of the options that do exist.

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by BruteSentiment on Dec 8, 2008 4:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think I would mind bringing Turnbow in for an audition…Couldn’t be much worse than taking a flier on Justin Miller and he may come in handy if Valdez isn’t ready to contribute full time…

by Mike Hawk on Dec 8, 2008 4:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

7:17pm: Bill Shaikin talked to a Giants official who says they're "definitively" not interested in Manny Ramirez. They are, however, interested in Sabathia.

Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.

by ejdacanay on Dec 8, 2008 5:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

A quote form the future!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 8, 2008 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

A quote from an hour ago!

The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

dude, 7:17 pm

Is most clearly 48 minutes ago

McC's Outstanding Newcomer '08.

by FairweatherFan on Dec 8, 2008 8:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It’s 10:36.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Time traveling Walrus!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 8, 2008 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

coo coo cachoo

Charlie Hayes ate my homework

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 8, 2008 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Time Traveling

Ya-TA!

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by ThrillisGone22 on Dec 9, 2008 12:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Scuse me..

My people of time travel like to be called the Time Traveling Wilburys.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 9, 2008 6:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

supposedly the Dodgers are close to signing Casey Blake for 3 years $17.1 million. I know that you can’t discern the entire market from one contract (like last year when my friend tried to tell me the Rowand signing was good because he is better than Gary Matthews Jr.) but if Blake is worth 3/$17.1 could Crede really be worth more than like 1/$4.5 or 2/$8?

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 9, 2008 10:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs