McCovey Chronicles Community Prospect List #16
by WalrusMan on Dec 6, 2008 6:23 PM PST
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PrintEven more options, sorry if you think it's too many. Feel free to make a write in as your vote. Just list who you want, don't vote in the poll, and then try and make a case to sway people. Testers will be rotated in, and next poll the lowest 3 vote totals will be "Testers."
1. SP Madison Bumgarner
2. C Buster Posey
3. SP Tim Alderson
4. 1B Angel Villalona
5. 2B Nick Noonan
6. 3B Conor Gillaspie
7. SP Henry Sosa
8. OF Rafael Rodriguez
9. OF Roger Kieschnick
10. SP Kevin Pucetas
11. 1B Travis Ishikawa
12. OF Wendell Fairley
13. P Scott Barnes
14. SS Brandon Crawford
15. SS Ehire Adrianza
For info on the prospects see this.
Poll will close at 10 PM Monday night.
Testers: Benjamin Copeland, Michael McBryde, Justin Hedrick, Eric Surkamp
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I voted first...
and for a moment there, Jesse English was dominating the vote, receiving ALL OF THE BALLOTS CAST! OMGOMGOMGOMG
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
JOE MARTINEZ
For Boston, for Boston,
We sing our proud refrain!
For Boston, for Boston,
‘Tis Wisdom’s earthly fane.
For here all are one
And their hearts are true,
And the towers on the Heights
Reach to Heav’ns own blue.
For Boston, for Boston,
Till the echoes ring again!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Yep.
He’ll be in AAA next season and if we don’t sign a 5th starter he’ll probably be in contention for the 5th starter spot with Pucetas and Lowry if he’s still got his arm on.
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Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
lol
catholic schools.
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 6, 2008 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
lol Boston
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 6, 2008 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
I forgot to put this on the other prospect threads
but as of like a week ago (I don’t know when the league ends) but Crawford said he was hitting around 400 with 7 homers in the Dominican league. I don’t know how strong that league is, but if he can put together some offense, his defense is already solid, and I would expect him to move up on everybody’s list.
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
If Crawford is in the DWL...
…I’ve totally missed him.
Are you sure he’s not doing that in the Instructional League?
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by BruteSentiment on Dec 7, 2008 1:04 AM PST up reply actions
He was at the beginning..
but then he went to the Dominican and he said he did well.
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
Random Q..
If someone would have told you 2 years ago that at the end of 2008, Angel will drop to our 4th best prospect, would you be excited that we have 3 legit prospects ahead of him or would you be scared that he flamed out already and thus dropped? I’m thinking with the way our farm system was 2 years ago, that I would be scared he flamed out.
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
except if he “flamed out” he probably wouldn’t be that high
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
well, two years ago a one legged busboy could be #4 on our list
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I know a kid named joey
he’s an alright dude.
I don’t know anybody named clayton.
Point: Martinez.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 6, 2008 8:41 PM PST reply actions
Nice way to vote!
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Probably weren’t much of an Obama fan then, were ya?
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by theghostofjasonellison on Dec 6, 2008 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm
well I do know a lot of Johns, one McCaine but not a lot of cancer survivors.
point: ? (ru paul?)
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 6, 2008 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
Haha!
What a strange name!
Do you weigh a ton Clayton?
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Clayton
So maybe now we have a nickname for Tanner? Oldcoat? Ancientjacket? Whaddayathink?
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You spelled it wrong..
“Olde”
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Hi Tucker, I’m Todd
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I went with Aaron King, but where are Mike McBryde, Jose Casilla and Thomas Neal? I’d put them ahead of at least the relievers on the list.
ADD NEAL
A glaring omission!
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 7, 2008 12:20 AM PST up reply actions
I like what the A’s board did with listing all the possibilities. This would stop this list from being fixed and WOULD include Thomas Neal
The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.
List fixing
It’s the internet, so it’s hard to tell, but that was sarcasm, right?
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
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I’m not sure where Neal went….McBryde is on the testers for recieving one of the lowest vote totals last round. Neal will be rotated in next week as well.
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Voted King
Though I don’t mind Tanner for the spot either
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
Quirarte
I voted Tanner but I feel like he should be getting more votes
hes the most likely of anyone to become a major leaguer
I voted Tanner over him on account of him being a starter vs. a reliever
waiting for 2011....
kind of ditto...
i voted for him last time, but he got no love whatsoever. switched to martinez for this round of voting. I don’t know if he’ll ever be a star but i think he has very good odds of contributing in a big league bullpen someday.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 7, 2008 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
Just looking back over our prospects list, it doesn’t seem like our system is quite as deep with pitching as everyone makes it out to be. Of the top 15 so far, we have 5 pitchers, but I really only trust 2 of them to be major league caliber (any guesses on who those are?), and one of them a lot of scouts has pegged as a reliever in the majors. Sosa is scaryw ith injuries, Barnes might go the Cowart route (though I have a bit more hope in him), and Pucetas ranks (at least from what I can tell) as a 4th/5th starter. We have some good relief arms, with the likes of Romo, Valdez, Matos, and Hinshaw (and Sadler? we’ll see…) but our starting pitching depth is fairly weak at this point. Which is why I guess I voted for Tanner… I just want to believe!
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by theghostofjasonellison on Dec 6, 2008 10:18 PM PST reply actions
It’s really not that deep in pitching anymore, no.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
speaking of deep
I’ve been looking over at Athletic Nation’s similar community prospect list and noticed two things.
1. They’re more fast-paced than we are. I like our pace better.
2. Their system looks is deeper than ours, though our respective 1-7/1-8 are pretty close to even.
Fortunately, the Giants are in the NL West.
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
- I agree.
- Their system is fucking ridiculous. Their #12 prospect is Jemile Weeks, their first draft pick in 2008. Ridiculous. They are set up for a 5 year run of 90+ win seasons.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
They're set up for a 5 year run all the time..
And yet they never make it past the first round..
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That’s cause Billy’s shit doesn’t work in the playoffs.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Well, you can’t trade all your good players in the playoffs…
The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.
Except for that one time they did.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
Point?
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
maybe it was more of the Twins choking
than the A’s really dominating them
Sorry Anderson. My fellow Dirtbag. Hope he does well this year in the minors.
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
by Giant among Angels on Dec 6, 2008 10:37 PM PST reply actions
I don't
That’s why I drink beer.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
I need you in my life, Jesus.
I can’t live without you, Jesus
And I just want to feel you deep inside me, Jesus.
Don’t ever leave me, Jesus. I couldn’t stand to see you go
My heart would simply snap, my Lord, if you walked on out that
door.
I promise I’ll be good to you, and keep you warm at night.
Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, why don’t we just… shut off the lights.
The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.
In the 09 draft,
Instead of going looking for position players, we should draft the best available player…in every round.
sounds good in theory
but I doubt we’ll spend enough to get close to doing that
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
Honestly
That should be the strategy every draft.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
That's kinda what they do every year
Remember the outrage here when they selected Bumgarner and bypassed Jason Heyward, a reputed Willie McCovey doppelganger? People were flinging themselves down a flight of stairs and stuff.
If you look at the Baseball America Top 200 list from just before the draft and see where theoretically the Giants SHOULD have selected their draft selection, in an overall draft pick sense, the Giants regularly select players, both pitchers and position players, before where BA had them ranked, sometimes more than one round (that is, 30 picks) before BA had the player ranked. That is a sign that they select players because they think they are the best available.
And really, that’s all you can do, devise your system and trust its judgment on prospects and select the best available, because after the first 5-10 picks, it is mostly a crapshoot anyway, the odds of finding a good player shrinks down greatly, to about 10% by the end of the first round, to below 5% once you get past the 2nd-3rd rounds.
Adoptive parental unit of Kevin " 2007's Most Spectacular Pitcher" Pucetas.
"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
"Woo hoo" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Dec 9, 2008 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
Let’s not forget that Heyward would still have been a very good pick there and would, were he in our system, be filling a few empty holes for us. We have very very little power potential in our prospects and virtually no decent OF prospect at any level.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
Just saying .....
EME is powering up in the winter league. In 80 PAs he has 4 HRs and 8 DBLs for a tidy SLG% of .639. His numbers are among the top 3 league leaders. Keep hacking, brother and you and fellow FSU standout Posey just may see The City.
I was hoping for this
He was hitting pretty well this season, just with no power, even on the road in AA, so I was hoping that he was just recovering from his shoulder surgery still and perhaps was still weak.
That is a huge improvement over his 2008 season, where he showed almost no power to speak of at any point in the season, except for a brief period in July. Meanwhile, despite not having much power, he was still able to rack up more walks than strikeouts every month except August, when it was equal. And the strikeout rate was low as well, around 10% or 90% contact rate. Only the best hitters around can strikeout about 10% of the time plus walk more than strike out. I hope he gets to advance to AAA so we can see what he can really do in a better park and healthy for once.
And just in time, I think he reaches his 6th season with us in 2009, don’t they become free agents after their 6th season?
Adoptive parental unit of Kevin " 2007's Most Spectacular Pitcher" Pucetas.
"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
"Woo hoo" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Dec 9, 2008 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
EME
Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
is dy-no-mite!
The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.
Note to all:
If you set a poll closing time then it closes at the time you set in your time zone.
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Conor Gillaspie
I’m pretty concerned with Gillaspie. The guy had his agent write a clause in his contract to ensure he got called up in ’08. What kind of self entitled premadonna is he?
Fightmaster24
Gillaspies contract
I don’t believe it was written into the contract. I think it was more of a handshake agreement. I never read or heard that the Giants admitted doing it.
Pre Madonna or Prima Donna?
You be the judge.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
Pre Madonna
I like it. It’s like B.C., only it starts about 16 years earlier.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
Didn’t Baggs coin the phrase “Cocky McCockerson” or something similar when writing about the arrogance of Gillaspie?
Yeah, I think it referred to an undisclosed rookie mistake he made. Apparently the vets alerted him to the situation and it was left to die. Probably happens to most rooks, but this may have been amplified by his fast-tracking agreement.
I dont think it was a blanket statement about Dizzy’s attitude.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
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