The Winter Meetings, the San Francisco Giants, and Made-Up Rumors
by Grant on Dec 5, 2008 1:19 PM PST
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The Winter Meetings start next week. They’re probably like a week-long seminar on tax law without any of the excitement, but I like to pretend that they’re much more interesting. Last year I drew an analogy to a scene from Glengarry Glen Ross (now with not-safe-for-work YouTube support!), but that kind of calm, subdued sleaze isn’t really applicable this year. The meetings are in Las Vegas. Sleaze? Maybe, but it won’t be calm and subdued. There will be at least one baffling move this year – we’re talking Matt Wieters for Miguel Tejada, or something – that will be directly linked to 15 rum-and-Cokes and a 6:00 a.m. discussion at the Giddy-Up Club. Here’s hoping that Brian Sabean is on the right end of that discussion.
Sabean pulls out a phone book
Sabean: Look at all of the Chris Davises here. Dime a freaking dozen. Now let’s see how many Ivan Ochoas there are…none. They just don’t make that many of them.
Jon Daniels: (drunk) Is not that I don’t want Ochocho, but his first name is Ivan, which reminds me of The Hunt for Red October with the crazy Ivans, and I would have liked to see Montana, and submarine movies have always made me feel claustrophobic, so I’m going to have to say no, unless you somehow lend me a dollar to buy a Slim Jim from that vending machine over there, because god, I’m hungry.
And we’ll be like, wow! Chris Davis for Ivan Ochoa! But we’ll never know that drunken munchies put the trade over the top. Note that there was an alternate version of this scene set at the Giddy-Up Club, but that will have to wait for McCovey Chronicles After Dark.
But this thread is a prediction thread. Will the Giants make a trade at the Winter Meetings, and if so, what will the move be? Sabean doesn’t have any trades on the table. Or nothing he’s willing to talk about, at least. I still don’t think he’s sold on Pablo Sandoval as a third baseman, and Sabean has to know that Renteria’s defense isn’t what it used to be. He’ll be looking for a third baseman with solid defense, hopefully with a little pop…
Dave Roberts and Henry Sosa for Mike Lowell and $5M. If you add the savings for Roberts to the $5M, it works out to Sosa for Lowell on a 2 yr./$12.5M contract.
I’m not passing judgment on that fictional trade, but that’s my guess pulled from the nether regions. The correct answer is probably "there isn’t going to be a trade", but that’s no fun.
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This isn’t really a trade but I’d see what Joe Crede wants in a deal. I’ve been anti-Crede in the past but if he could sign for something cheap-ish, I might be interested. He should play good defense at 3B which might help offset Rentera a little.
Teams with 3B needs seem to be looking at Casey Blake and I haven’t heard much — if anything — about Crede. He wouldn’t require talent to aquire, no draft picks lost, and if the Giants staff can keep him healthy, he might do something. I don’t know, the market seems to be really quiet for him so far.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 1:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A 1 year deal wouldn’t be too bad. For him, it could be a “prove he’s healthy and still productive” year in hopes of landing a bigger contract next offseason.
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by marcello on Dec 5, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he would sign a 1 year deal for $6M or less I would do it.
That would really open up the possibility of moving Molina to upgrade somewhere else if the right deal came around.
by VizquelQuest on Dec 5, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except
last year was the year he was going to prove he was healthy. If we get the same results this year as last my opinion would be no on Crede.
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by marklar on Dec 6, 2008 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually be fine if Crede replicated his ‘08 for the Giants next year. In almost 400 PA’s he produced a .327 park adjusted wOBA while paying above average defense. Pablo could split the work load with Crede or take over when he gets hurt.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 6, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know,
I think I would be underwhelmed. It’s not that it would be the worse signing, but he still missed over 1/3 of the season. And His OBP is less than desirable too; it was .314 in 2008 which is actually better than his career .306.
The Giants could do worse I suppose, but they could do a lot better as well.
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by marklar on Dec 8, 2008 8:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Boras Contract Demands for Crede
I read Boras wants to use the same framework of the Magglio Ordonez contract. I doubt the $ would be the same.
05:$6M, 06:$15M, 07:$12M, 08:$15M, 09:$18M, 10:$15M club option ($3M buyout), 11:$15M club option (no buyout)
Tigers may void contract after 2005 if Ordonez spends 25 or more days on disabled list in 2005 with recurrence of pre-existing left knee injury
by Cainer on Dec 5, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’ve heard that, too. But Boras is notorious for saying crazy shit. No one is going to give Crede Maggs money in this economy.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow..
No way would I accept that for any player. Maybe only if it was 09: $5M, 10: $8M, 11: $9M and we can void the contract after 2009 if he goes on the DL or if he doesn’t reach a AB plateau.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 5, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, Boras can demand that all he wants
just like he can demand a contract similar to Jorge Posada’s for Jason Varitek and I can demand that Anne Hathaway sleep with me
demanding something is a long way from getting it
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Crede’s agent is Scott Boras. That should take care of that.
by LinceCainGarnerSon on Dec 5, 2008 1:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Giants have dealt with him before and I haven’t read anything that says the team won’t deal with him.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Rowand is his his best GAMER pal or something and ex-White Sox GM Ron Schueler is in our front office.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because of Rowand, we may be able to get Burrell and Crede! He practically pays for himself!
by Natto on Dec 5, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What if he took the Giants off the book and paid himself? That would be awesome
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by baetown415 on Dec 5, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But would Crede take a 1-yr deal at, say, $4-5 mil, to play at a poor park for home runs and not have as many opportunities for RBI? If he would, I wouldn’t mind having him on board and shuttling Pablo between 3B and catcher (though with Pablo still playing regularly).
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by baetown415 on Dec 5, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No clue what he’ll take because I haven’t heard anything about him. It’s appealing for Pablo because the Giants should count on Crede for 400 PA’s and Pablo could help fill in the rest. He can play a little third, first, and catch now and then.
Of course, it all depends on what Crede wants and what the market is for him. I think he’s a nice 2nd tier option to a guy like Beltre though and he won’t cost players lost in a trade.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure that’s not what Crede really wants, but if it’s best offer out there he will have take it. I think he can be had for a pretty modest 1-2 year offer.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t mean that we wouldn’t sign him because he’s a Boras client. I meant that Boras is already asking for a Magglio type deal like Cainer posted above. No way he’s worth that money
by LinceCainGarnerSon on Dec 5, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah But
Anytime the Giants deal with Boras, it goes something like this
Sabean: There is no way we are going to do that deal
Boras: Yes you will!
Sabean: O.K.
Playoffs!!??
by PAWarrior on Dec 5, 2008 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a Sith!
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by Goofus on Dec 6, 2008 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
m’-f’e! That explain a lot. Darth Negotiatus.
by tyrannoman on Dec 8, 2008 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Davis is going to hit 74 hrs in ‘09. He’s that good. I say we go with Grant’s Slim Jim strategy.
by biff pocoroba on Dec 5, 2008 1:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Towers’ travel budget was probably slashed so much by John Moores that he and Sandy Alderson will be sharing a queen-sized bed at Binion’s.
Sabes should invite them to party down at his suite, slip some roofies into their drinks, then just before they pass out, get them to give us Adrian Gonzalez for Eugenio Velez.
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by Kitspool on Dec 5, 2008 1:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They are bicycling to Vegas as we speak.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 5, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because, hey...
You can’t spell Eugenio(a) Velez(z) without Gonzalez
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by howtheyscored on Dec 5, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“Kevin Towers’ travel budget was probably slashed so much by John Moores that he and Sandy Alderson will be sharing a queen-sized bed at Binion’s.”
“Those aren’t pillows!”
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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 5, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i miss john candy…
sincerely,
joe montana
by ExcuseMeSwing on Dec 6, 2008 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this won't happen but
Indians get SP Jonathan Sanchez
Giants get SS (to be 3b) Jhonny Peralta
by BigO on Dec 5, 2008 1:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
only on the condition that Peralta agrees to transpose the “h” and the “o” in his first name.
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by Kitspool on Dec 5, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1+
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Dec 5, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or they could just throw in a vowel to be named later.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 5, 2008 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Jhonny Peralta
He hits hmoeruns for the Gniats!
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by Lyle on Dec 5, 2008 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think if he did that, in Spanish you would pronounce it ‘yonny’, and that’s just wrong.
I think the ‘jh’ is to get the English-sounding ‘j’…. but I don’t speak much Spanish or know where he’s from, so it’s a guess.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 5, 2008 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong BoSox trade
Bo Sox trade is the way to go.
Sign CC for a little hometown discount – trade Cain (and parts if needed) for Youk and Lars Anderson (corner IF done) and let Boston pay Teix.
Boston wants Molina? OK. Giants get a pitcher back – probably wouldn’t get Bowden, but next tier down would be OK.
Pablo to share catching duties for a year with a defense oriented guy (Henry Blanco?) before Posey and Pablo split time in 2010.
by aGIANTfan on Dec 5, 2008 1:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sox won't trade Youk..
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
by Azmanz on Dec 5, 2008 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Much less with Anderson too
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by CB30 on Dec 5, 2008 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sox won't trade Youk...
nor will the Giants trade Molina. For different reasons of course. I don’t see the Giants even thinking of trading Molina as I just don’t see them turning over the full-time catching to Pablo.
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by marklar on Dec 6, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
made up for excitement purposes
Delmon Young (who the Twins have soured on) for Jonathan Sanchez, Nate Schierholtz, and Emmanuel Burriss.
then
Edwin Jackson for Randy Winn and Alex Hinshaw (with the Giants paying some of the money). The Rays actually have a surplus of starting pitching and are looking for a RF (I know, I know they are probably looking for a power hitter…)
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 1:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather keep Delmon and Jackson the away from this team. Jackson is no good, and Delmon has worn out his welcome in two places while showing a sub par approach at the plate.
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by marcello on Dec 5, 2008 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet you Jackson has a breakout year next year (especially if he gets traded to the NL)
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if he has a breakout, that would only get him to league average. I just can’t see anything in his numbers that would indicate the potential for breakout.
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by marcello on Dec 5, 2008 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like this one, but then Beltre’s a FA at the end of the year. I think you need to sign him to an extension, and then the Ms would ask for more.
by BigO on Dec 5, 2008 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
and the M’s probably want whatever value the draft pick(s) would be if one were to offer Beltre arb. and then lose him to free agency
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by baetown415 on Dec 5, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t Sosa worthy of a sandwich pick?
by lincysgiants on Dec 5, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i’m confused by what you mean
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by baetown415 on Dec 5, 2008 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As in if they let him walk next season could the comp picks they get be worth more than Sosa now?
by lincysgiants on Dec 5, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure. Sosa is already one of our top prospects, and even though the Giants have been drafting well, there’s always such a high level of uncertainty with the draft, even in comparison to prospects.
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by baetown415 on Dec 5, 2008 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True..
But Sosa is #3 in the “Top SP prospect” list. Bumgarner and Alderson are ahead of him, and with Lincecum, Cain, and Zito definitely clogging up the rotation for a while I’d say I’d part with Sosa.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 5, 2008 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d trade Sosa for Beltre, even with the risk of losing him after just one year.
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by Lyle on Dec 5, 2008 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, that wasn’t eloquent at all.
Sosa > 1st round + comp round? Maybe?
by lincysgiants on Dec 5, 2008 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe yeah. It’s not like we’re short on pitching
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by baetown415 on Dec 5, 2008 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they would view Sosa (assuming recent medical reports on him are positive) as more valuable than one of those picks, especially since he would be free, whereas they would have to pay the draft pick a substantial signing bonus. Their new GM Jack Zduriencik was a draft wizard with the Brewers, so I’m sure he places a pretty high value on the 2 picks. I think it would have to be Sosa plus another player.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly true, but I would think Sanchez would be too much… That said, if the most Sanchez could fetch is Cantu, maybe I’m a complete idiot
by lincysgiants on Dec 5, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t the Dunn trade be a useful template? The dbacks really gave up nothing… and then they really screwed the pooch by not offering arb to Dunn… I guess they really are broke.
by lincysgiants on Dec 5, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They did give up something,
which makes the non-tender of arb a head-scratcher. The D’backs gave up P Dallas Black, C Wilkin Castillo and P Micah Owings. I don’t know anything about the first 2 guys but Owings seemed like a useful piece.
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by marklar on Dec 6, 2008 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For a half season of Dunn the Diamondback gave up 3 players on their 40-man roster.
by Cainer on Dec 6, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like this one too.
Beltre preferable to Lowell.
I also see Sosa following the Merkin Valdez career path so would be OK giving him up for a rental, especially if the Giants were to get two picks if Beltre left.
by aGIANTfan on Dec 5, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what about Sosa, Schierholtz, and Velez?
would that be enough for the Mariners? (I think probably not)
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just think they can do better than anything we have to offer them. As I have said in other Beltre discussions around here, the Twins really need a 3B and they are a contending team with a lot of young MLB talent and a good farm system. They even have a surplus of OFs with just so happens to be the Mariners biggest need. If I were the Mariners I would hope that Casey Blake signs with the Dodgers over the Twins and then try to get Delmon Young from them (even if it means throwing in another player and/or paying some of Beltre’s salary).
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I read Keith Laws chat from yesterday and some Mariners fan asked for Liriano and Delmon for Beltre… funny
by lincysgiants on Dec 5, 2008 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he will never be reliable either, and we have a virtual shitload of young pitching
by lincysgiants on Dec 5, 2008 2:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like the smell of the Lowell deal a lot better than what I pushed out of my nether region.
by hammystyle on Dec 5, 2008 2:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Was it a potato?
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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 5, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Timing is EVERYTHING.
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by Lyle on Dec 5, 2008 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dunno
Giants send Sanchez to the Reds for Encarnacion
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by MeSoKrabby on Dec 5, 2008 2:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just saw the fan post
Swear I thought of that trade on my own.
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by MeSoKrabby on Dec 5, 2008 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Encarnacion - not a good idea
Please, his glove is below average and after he leaves Great America the pop will poop. I’d rather Pablo at third.
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by wcovington on Dec 7, 2008 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it cool...
if i just watch you guys rosterbate?
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 5, 2008 2:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but you have to eat the cracker
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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why you gotta bring race into it?
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by MeSoKrabby on Dec 5, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
eeew... um, well then:
henry sosa for chase headley
we give up a nice pitching prospect for a nice 3b prospect
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 5, 2008 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish
I see the future, and it is Pablo
by CB30 on Dec 5, 2008 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was a muffin.
I can haz homerunz!
by jbowl on Dec 5, 2008 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A buddy told me the story about this and it is sick at every level
by wilriv21 on Dec 5, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This was a good time for that meme. I regret not making it myself. I have failed
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by CB30 on Dec 5, 2008 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
grant wanted predictions and goddamn it i'm gonna give him predictions
wacky tobaccy division:
sign cc, then:
trade sanchez, scott barnes and sosa to milwaukee for mat gamel
rowand to cincy for micah owings (salary dump) OR rowand, lowry and pucetas to seattle for bedard
trade bengie, dave roberts, and $3M to the mets for eddie kunz
sign pat the bat for first base (with the rowand, bengie, and roberts funds)
lineup:
winn
renteria
lewis
pat the bat
pablo
gamel
nate s.
franny
timmy
cc
cain
bedard / owings
zito
Realistic prediction:
-sign pat burrell for 2/$23M
how much time did i put into this? none, but it’s friday night and i’m at work waiting to get home. tomorrow i’ll plug it all into baseball mogul ’09 and see how it turns out.
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by redhornet78 on Dec 5, 2008 5:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think..
Barnes can be traded until mid season next year. He was drafted this year right?
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by WalrusMan on Dec 5, 2008 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah…as if that’s really the biggest problem with all of these scenarios
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like your thinking, redhornet. But I’ve heard some grumblings about Gamel’s defense at 3B. There’s no doubt he can hit, but I’d have to ponder that awhile.
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by Lyle on Dec 5, 2008 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Grumblings
That might be an understatement. His defense is god awful. He might make Braun look good at 3B.
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by marcello on Dec 5, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gamel will not be a MLB third baseman, but will hit the crap out of the ball.
He will wind up in the OF, most likely…maybe 1B…so yeah, I could see him being a fit in SF since we could use new blood in both places. Of course, MIL lacks a solid 3B (Bill Hall? Yuck.) so maybe they’ll endure his minus-minus defense for a season while waiting for Cameron to go elsewhere…but Hart in CF? Braun/Hart/Gamel would be an offensive dream, but a terrible OF.
Well, that was tangential (sp?).
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by Giants_Junkie on Dec 6, 2008 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bold predictions
Braun played high quality defense last year. Hart was good to very good and other than blogs I have never heard the suggestion that he move to center. He filled in there in a pinch and did okay.
by Lovejoy on Dec 7, 2008 6:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Corey Hart
If memory serves, Corey Hart played CF in AAA; there was no outcry about it that I recall.
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by Lyle on Dec 9, 2008 6:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he played a little at the MLB level as well
I’m not sure how to say it. It wasn’t ugly but it wasn’t pretty. He’s fast and gets a decent jump but doesn’t move back all that well. Fine in a pinch, but he’s not a CF.
by Lovejoy on Dec 9, 2008 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Everywhere?
It’s not really a secret. He had over 30 errors at 3B in the minors this year and he’s ~120 over the last three years. Now, errors are obviously a flawed metric, but in this case it’s pretty safe to say that he is terrible.
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by marcello on Dec 7, 2008 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, error totals is a somewhere I guess
Elvis Andrus had more errors this year than Gamel. Does that mean its DH, 1st base or nothing for Elvis?
Players with high error years in the minors include Jimmy Rollins, Derek Jeter, and some guy named Omar Vizquel. I’d say one thing that isn’t safe to say is that he is “terrible” or extremely incompetent.
by Lovejoy on Dec 7, 2008 7:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gamel’s defense at third is universally panned by scouts. It’s not just the error totals.
by Dan from NM on Dec 7, 2008 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When you say universally panned, how many scouting reports are you talking about? I know Kevin Goldstein hates him. It sort of reminds me of talk of chupacabras. Of course they’re real, so many people have seen them.
by Lovejoy on Dec 7, 2008 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BA does nothing but bemoan his lack of defensive acumen. Go read any prospect hot sheet over there, and it’ll be something like “Gamel had a great week at the plate (.500/.600/infinity) and only made 5 errors at third.”
by cornball on Dec 8, 2008 6:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And then they mention that some scout hates his defense and he should move to left/1b.
by cornball on Dec 8, 2008 6:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so far
its Kevin Goldstein and the people in some village who claim to know of the chupacabra. BA is a pay site. I have no idea how many authors there actually scout games. The scout referenced could be Kevin Goldstein.
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by Lovejoy on Dec 8, 2008 6:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Goldstein couldn’t be the scout, he’s not one. He is in contact with many scouts, which is where he gets most of his info from. Do you know of any reputable place that says he has acceptable defense at 3B or could stick there? I’ve never seen it said once.
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Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 8, 2008 8:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here
Since you won’t do the work and look around.
Defense remains the main problem. He’s cut his error rate this year…18 errors thus far for a .906 fielding percentage, very poor but not as bad as last year’s horrific .826 mark. He has the range and arm strength but may simply never have the reliability. He runs well enough to play an outfield corner, so that’s an option eventually, although it would be more convenient if the Brewers had a DH option of course.
BA:
“I was really trying to focus on defense,” he said. “I feel that I made a lot of improvements over there and that was the main thing I tried to take out of this.”
Gamel showed that his defense at third base is still a work in progress. He committed a league high 10 errors in 30 games for an .880 fielding percentage.
The Bad: There’s nothing positive to say about Gamel’s defense. After making an eye-popping 53 errors in 2007, he reduced that number to 32 in 2008, but one scout classified the progress as, “putting lipstick on a pig.” From his hands to his instincts to his arm accuracy, everything about him defensively screams for a move to first base or left field.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
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by marcello on Dec 8, 2008 8:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, man, but those are just the opinions of three dudes. Universally speaking, what do aliens think of Gamel’s terrible third base defense?
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing a little abduction/replacement can’t cure.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2008 8:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The flaw in this plan, of course, is that aliens are terrible hitters.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2008 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's only
because the ones who can hit are busy replacing the Neifi Perez’ of the world for a couple of months.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Dec 8, 2008 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
one guy agrees with you
so much for your universe.
Hey, have you ever seen him play?
by Lovejoy on Dec 8, 2008 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t. I’ve actually never watched a game of baseball, as I find it reeeeeeeally boring. One time, I turned on the tv and a game was on, but I quickly flipped channels. Disaster averted. True story.
Anyways, try to figure out who you are talking to. I never used the word universally, although I basically agree with it. If you want to argue the semantics of the definition of universal, whatever. There aren’t any respected sources that think he’ll be an MLB 3B. This isn’t news to anyone but you.
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by marcello on Dec 8, 2008 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take that as a no
You know, you could actually just say no.
It’s not arguing semantics to point out that a single source isn’t every source. That’s just plain wrong. You could find sources that think he has the ability and that he might (some in this thread).
by Lovejoy on Dec 8, 2008 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Find me links (that aren’t from his AA coach) that say Gamel can stay at 3B at the major league level.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 8:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no response?
like I said, I got 620 hits when I searched on Gamel at BA and comments like “below average.”
Moreover, they typically refer to consistency rather than skill.
by Lovejoy on Dec 8, 2008 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I got 3,660 hits in Google when I searched for “Matt Gamel Eats Babies”
Clearly, he eats babies. I have the Google proof to back me up!
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so digging up some dopey blogger
is proof for you, but Don Money is irrelevant. Looking around BA which is good for you when you can cherry pick sentences is proof for you, but going to the same damn website and reading what is there is nonsense.
by Lovejoy on Dec 8, 2008 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In this topic, 5 different respected sources have been linked to, not one. Stop lying to try and make your point.
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by marcello on Dec 9, 2008 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
most aren't saying what you claim
you can use wild hyperbole if you want, but that’s the nicest word to use and who cares what some kid writes who reads Kevin Goldstein? You make it sound as if its more important if more people parrot him.
by Lovejoy on Dec 9, 2008 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you're wrong
i’ve read all that stuff. I popped BA in google and got over 600 hits for Gamel.
Up above, all you provided was Goldstein. BA has a variety of comments and the one you picked out called him a “work in progress.” Sickels in the above comment and others is ambivalent. That’s not close to the claim that he is “terrible” and “universally panned.”
Other BA comments refer to him as “below average” or talked about how he makes nice defensive plays. They even went so far as to interview Don Money who talked about his problems with footwork, but alas, he believes he has the ability to play 3rd. There’s actually a fair amount of stuff by Money talking about him elsewhere as well.
It’s all sort of irrelevant because the chances of him being traded are extremely low.
by Lovejoy on Dec 8, 2008 8:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They called it a work in progress because of the context they were using it in. Gamel had just said he had been working on his defense, so they were like, “Well it’s obviously a work in progress. ICE BURN, SON!”
Sickels was ambivalent? Are you serious?
although it would be more convenient if the Brewers had a DH option of course.
Now it’s your turn. Provide your links where his defense is complimented. I’d bet most of the compliments are pretty back-handed. You’re currently using Don Money, his manager at AA, as proof. He is not a credible source because of his obvious bias.
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by marcello on Dec 8, 2008 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you don't get to proclaim someone as irrelevant
Ironic that BA seems to take him seriously. I’d say there is a tiny chance that Don Money knows something about 3rd base defense as well.
You still haven’t provided anything other than Kevin Goldstein.
Sure I’m serious. Having Sickels say that it would be convenient if there were a DH spot doesn’t support your argument. You also chopped off this part of the quote:
He has the range and arm strength but may simply never have the reliability.
by Lovejoy on Dec 8, 2008 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, as in his glove and accuracy are garbage, just like Ryan FUCKING Braun.
I have quoted BA, Sickels, and Goldstein. Keith Law and THT were quoted below. 5 places, all saying the same thing, all respected baseball sources. What have you given us? “Google hits exist.” You have to be a sock puppet of GRM.
Do you think his AA manager would say he isn’t good defensively? Would he even be allowed to say that? I doubt it, which is why his analysis of Gamel’s defense is highly suspect. I have no doubts that he knows a thing or two about baseball. I doubt that he is allowed to freely express his opinion on the matter.
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by marcello on Dec 9, 2008 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
actually
Ryan FUCKING Braun’s problem wasn’t his glove. I have cited BA, pointed out your erroneous Sickel reading and seriously, why in the world would someone care what some kid writes in THT.
You could read what Money said in BA, and I’m beginning to believe that you don’t know who he is, and you could read what he wrote elsewhere. Its not glowing or glossy or fluff. I think its kind of funny that you think that the org cares what he says about Gamel. He’s constantly inquired about in trades and the answer is always no.
by Lovejoy on Dec 9, 2008 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One link. Just one. Give us ONE link from a scout, someone who talked to a scout, something that says his defense will play at 3B in the majors.
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by marcello on Dec 9, 2008 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe you are honestly arguing in favor of Gamel's defense
here is a few more for you:
John(madison): If you were the brewers what would you do with JJ hardy and Alcides Escobar. Can Matt Gamel play a decent enough 3rd base to stay there?
SportsNation Keith Law: No, Gamel can’t. If they don’t like trade offers for Hardy, keep him, move Weeks to CF, Escobar at 2b.
However, the big concern is Gamel’s defense. Gamel is basically regarded as a butcher at third base.
I don’t have links for all of them, but I can tell you that every single thing I have read around the Interrnets (yes, I know this is not the end all and be all of baseball knowledge) has laughed at the idea of Gamel playing 3B in MLB. I think universal is a very fair word
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the Keith Law comment about Win Shares. And Rickie Weeks in center is a bad idea. So maybe he’d suck as a manager, but does he scout minor league games?
Here’s your other “scout”:
Alex is a recent a college graduate and Kinesiology major from the great James Madison University in Virginia. He breaks down both major and minor league players at Baseball Intellect and uses both sabermetric and video analysis to supplement his scouting reports. He also does work for the website Baseball Digest Daily.
And he goes on to suggest that it is possible that Gamel will stick at 3rd.
by Lovejoy on Dec 8, 2008 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And he goes on to suggest that it is possible that Gamel will stick at 3rd.
Uhh…no he doesn’t. This is all he says about his defense:
However, the big concern is Gamel’s defense. Gamel is basically regarded as a butcher at third base. He went into winter ball knowing that he needed to work on his defense and—at least by his view—he made strides. Gamel’s value increases tremendously if he can stay at third base.
The most positive thing he had to say is that Gamel himself thinks, or at least says he thinks that he improved.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Dec 9, 2008 7:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
If you have seen Gamel play and you think he can play an adequate 3B then good for you and maybe you will be proven right someday. But if you are trying to argue that there are a significant number of scouts who believe that Gamel can play 3B, and that there is some disagreement in the scouting community over the awfulness of his defense, then that is simply not true. Seriously, show us something reputable that says that.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 9, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Was this supposed to be a reply to me?
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Dec 9, 2008 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no, this was supposed to be that deranged Brewers fan, all of these replies are getting confusing
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 9, 2008 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it's laughable
that you talk about the scouting community. Is the kid writing for THT part of that “community”?
by Lovejoy on Dec 9, 2008 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dude he does
he uses the phrase “if he sticks at 3rd.” There is no other way to read that and
ITS A KID. ITS NOT A SCOUT.
by Lovejoy on Dec 9, 2008 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he uses the phrase "if he sticks at 3rd."
And I often use the phrase “If I win the lottery.” That doesn’t make it likely.
Check out The Examined Life. Or don't. Whatever.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 10, 2008 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So maybe he’d suck as a manager, but does he scout minor league games?
Keith Law joined ESPN.com in June of 2006 as the lead baseball analyst for Scouts, Inc, covering the majors, minors and amateurs. He appears regularly on television on the The Hot List and on ESPNRadio’s All Night with Jason Smith, GameNight, and the John Kincade Show. He also occasionally co-hosts the Mike Felger Show on 890 ESPN in Boston.
Before joining ESPN, Law spent 4½ years with the Toronto Blue Jays as a Special Assistant to the General Manager, and was previously a writer for Baseball Prospectus. He graduated from Harvard College and holds an MBA from the Tepper School of Business at Carnegie Mellon.
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by marcello on Dec 9, 2008 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MBA, front office guy and stat guy. Definitely a more worthwhile input.
by Lovejoy on Dec 9, 2008 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Goldstein’s review makes me think of Eugenio…
by tyrannoman on Dec 8, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is why we should not write off the kid Culberson too soon
by wilriv21 on Dec 7, 2008 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea who you’re talking about. None whatsoever.
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by Lyle on Dec 9, 2008 6:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except
He can’t hit either.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Dec 9, 2008 6:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He makes up for not hitting by committing tremendous amounts of errors.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 9, 2008 7:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this really fell on deaf ears
clearly he has already been given up for dead
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 9, 2008 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, Jeter has never been good defensively, so using him as an example is a poor choice. Plus, you used only SS examples, who naturally make more errors. I’d also bet that scouts were saying that Rollins and Vizquel were going to stick at SS.
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by marcello on Dec 8, 2008 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ANDS HAS CRASY EYS
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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The key is to find the GM who is making inexplicable moves during the offseason that reflect pressure on him to keep his job, then take advantage.
Target: Drayton Moore
I don’t get the moves he’s making – giving up long-term pieces for complimentary pieces at best.
So, what the hell? Give up Sanchez, Lewis/Schierholz/Winn and a bullpen or minor league arm for Alex Gordon.
I won’t predict this to happen, but I would love it if it did.
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by tedfordfan on Dec 5, 2008 5:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That’s way too much for Gordon. He’s not a lock to stay at third either
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by baetown415 on Dec 5, 2008 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d do Sanchez/Alderson for Gordon. I still believe.
by Grant on Dec 5, 2008 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, is Gordon watching or what. And I understand doing Sanchez, but Alderson?
I can haz homerunz!
by jbowl on Dec 5, 2008 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I totally respect that Grant.
I can haz homerunz!
by jbowl on Dec 5, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
would you do Sanchez and Brian Wilson? These “long-term pieces” that tedfordfan mentions (I disagree with that conclusion by the way) are relief pitchers, so maybe they would want replenish the bullpen.
I would do Sanchez and Wilson
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. I think we’re in the minority, but it’s easier to find relief than it is to find a pre-arb slugger with the potential of Gordon. Maybe Gordon goes Marte on the world, but I’d do that trade in a second.
by Grant on Dec 5, 2008 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see Sabean do some serious outside the box thinking and trade Wilson while his value is at its highest. Have Affledt (a better pitcher than Wilson) be the closer if you insist on having one almighty CLOSER. Of course, that has no chance of happening.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Wilson would have much value right now. Lots of closers out there via trade or free agency
by hammystyle on Dec 5, 2008 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, the isn’t a very good time to be selling a closer
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dunno
Wilson for practically zero dollars or $10M for closer? Mets get some combination of these parts – Cain/Sanchez, plus Wilson, plus Sandoval/Franny/Burriss/Velez/Noonan plus for Wright and plus and parts.
Why would Mets do this? They have not won and getting new stadium. Get pitcher, closer they need without spending the huge dollars they will need to sign Manny Ramirez plus a pitcher.
SF does this because the organization has a HUGE hole at 3b and gets one of the best players in beisbol.
by wilriv21 on Dec 5, 2008 8:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that’s … not going to happen.
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think they ever get to that point.
But I would say that the second Wright’s name came up, Omar would hang up.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the Mets would much rather spend $10 million on a closer than do anything that requires them to give up David Wright
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If they had a metophorical gun to their head, the Mets’ would rather pay $100 million for a closer than trade David Wright.
by tyrannoman on Dec 8, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is in Vegas so gamble it up
The Mets need to start winning, So do the Giants. Think Big. Dream. Think large. Now larger. Cain plus plus plus for Wright.
by wilriv21 on Dec 5, 2008 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade Sanchez and Wilson for Gordon, but only if CC jumped aboard.
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by baetown415 on Dec 5, 2008 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Say what?!!
Say it aint so Grant.
Don't believe everything you think.
by wcovington on Dec 7, 2008 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i loves me some gordon
in my original post above i had cain for gordon instead of the trade for gamel, but that would have given us 4 lefties in the rotation… and we all know that would have been the biggest problem with the scenerio.
Dodgers fans eat their young.
by redhornet78 on Dec 5, 2008 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez..
What’s wrong with Gordon? It’s his third year of professional ball, second in the majors. He had one year in AAA which he tore up and then he had a below average first year and an above average second year. What’s to not like?
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by WalrusMan on Dec 5, 2008 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because if a guy isn’t on the Giants, he’s overrated.
by cheno on Dec 5, 2008 11:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too much for Gordon. Can people stop suggesting trading Nate? I will guarantee he will become a Giants favorite as soon as he is given a legitimate opportunity.
by The MLBeat on Dec 5, 2008 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm
Seriously? Schierholtz is too much to be giving up for Gordon? Now I do like Nate. I think he’s going to be a fine player, but it seems to me that fine player is his ceiling. Gordon’s ceiling is Gold Glove-caliber MVP. At least that’s what the scouts thought when he was drafted and I haven’t seen anything (I live in Omaha and saw a lot of KC baseball – ugh – over the summer) that really discourages that perception.
by cornball on Dec 5, 2008 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How about Tim Lincecum for Alex Rios, strait up!
I can haz homerunz!
by jbowl on Dec 5, 2008 5:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rios is available
Other than Lincecum what could SF offer?
by wilriv21 on Dec 5, 2008 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We would probably have to offer like MadBum or the likes in a package.
I can haz homerunz!
by jbowl on Dec 5, 2008 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I’d pay double what I pay now, for that kind of premium website. You are talking about something like this, right?
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by Lyle on Dec 5, 2008 6:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
this reminded me of the show are you afraid of the dark. i dont remember computers back then tho. maybe because its a scary picture, I thought someone was under that afghan.
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 5, 2008 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Snachez, Burriss, and either MadBum or Alderson for Brandon Wood. Maybe?
I can haz homerunz!
by jbowl on Dec 5, 2008 6:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I actually think Wood could be had for Sanchez and Burriss (or maybe Schierholtz if they don’t want Burriss). The Angels seem pretty down on him.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow that little? I mean maybe I am over valuing him, but dude seems to be pretty damn good.
I can haz homerunz!
by jbowl on Dec 5, 2008 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Angels seem to already have plenty of middle infielders
by wilriv21 on Dec 5, 2008 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you really give up MadBum or Alderson (PLUS Sanchez!) for Wood??
not that Wood isn’t a good player, but he’s got way too many glaring holes and warning signs to give up Alderson or Madbum for him.
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya I dont know a whole lot about wood, I just peeked at his stats real quick. But from what I am hearing Alderson or Madbum are to much.
I can haz homerunz!
by jbowl on Dec 6, 2008 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"I don't know a whole lot about wood."
That’s what she said.
I mean how many women know that much about different species of trees?
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by WalrusMan on Dec 6, 2008 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This joke will never get old.
I can haz homerunz!
by jbowl on Dec 6, 2008 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to have a lot of Wood fantasies (that’s what she said!), but I wouldn’t give up Bumgarner or Alderson.
by Dan from NM on Dec 5, 2008 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez for Rickie Weeks and Lorenzo Cain
or
Sanchez and Winn for Brandon Wood and a low level arm
or
Winn for Jeremy Hellickson
by The MLBeat on Dec 5, 2008 6:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
they might actually consider Sanchez and Winn for Wood. they need an OF
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Lowell would be a fantastic trade target if the Red Sox get Teixiera. The Renteria signing really has me jonesing for a good defensive third baseman. Crede and Beltre might be good, too.
by Dan from NM on Dec 5, 2008 8:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Winn for Lowell?
The Red Sox like Winn. They were very complimentary after Winn’s performance when the Giant’s played there. They are looking for a 4th outfielder; Jay Payton is on their list. Winn over Payton seems like a no-brainer
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by marklar on Dec 6, 2008 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He would be a 4th OF on that team, I think he’s better then that
I see the future, and it is Pablo
by CB30 on Dec 6, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he’d only be a 4th OF until JD Drew brushes his teeth and has to have tommy john the next day.
by tyrannoman on Dec 8, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Winn and a pitching prospect or two (not Madbum or Alderson) for Red’s 3B Encarnacion
or
Taschner and a pitching prospect or two (not Madbum or Alderson) for Royals 3B/OF Mark Teahen
by Jdiggle on Dec 6, 2008 2:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think we've established..
Teahen is not a 3B.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 6, 2008 7:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i think Teahen has established
he’s not very good. Or he’s more like a very good bench player who’s stretched as an everyday guy
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by baetown415 on Dec 6, 2008 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we established that Nate wasn’t a 3B.
by tyrannoman on Dec 8, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Banned!
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by Lyle on Dec 9, 2008 6:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hear him out
I like where this is going.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Dec 9, 2008 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow, we have a Mark Teahan believer
I didn’t think any of you were still around.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 6, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how about trading sanchez or sanchez and rowand or sanchez and winn for a 3B in order to convince CC that we can have a competitive team and to take a pay cut?
by brandollars on Dec 6, 2008 2:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Crazy talk
I see the future, and it is Pablo
by CB30 on Dec 6, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sanchez for blalock
i’ve heard sanchez for hank blalock…this is a good deal for the giants or, what about signing c.c. (at the hometown discount of course) and trading cain? i love cain, but the giants have an already overloaded starting rotation, and the possibility of adding a front line starter in c.c. could really help us. cain for fielder and a propsect? just thinking aloud…
by FreshPrince712 on Dec 7, 2008 1:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ding ding
it took 144 comments, but we have our first Cain for Fielder post
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 7, 2008 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ding ding
And already I’m feeling queasy. Fielder is a mistake — a bigger mistake if traded for Cain. Just stop it RIGHT NOW!
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by wcovington on Dec 7, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's try this . . .
I know he’s not Robbie T., but how about Uggla (Marlins have said they want to dump salary, power and go faster) and Hermida for Sanchez and Freddie L? It hurts, but it could help. Then we sign Pat Burrell for 1b. Pablo plays third and catches, everyday. The right side is hurt defensively, but look at this lineup:
Winn- lF
Renteria – ss
Sandoval – 3b
Uggla – 2b
Burrell -1b
Hermida – rf
Rowand – cf
Molina – c
Burriss – 2b
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by wcovington on Dec 7, 2008 8:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
wait
are we in the AL, or did we switch to some other dimension with two 2nd basemen in it?
Dammit. Now I wish we had Denker back
I think I pulled my swagger muscle...
by BawLa on Dec 7, 2008 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, just thought we could use "the extra bat"
Couldn’t we use the extra offense? But seriously folks . . . I meant to show Burris playing when either Bengie, Edgar or Burrell rested. Thus when Bengie rests, Pablo catches, Edgar moves to Third; when Burrell rests, Pablo moves to first; when Edgar rests, Burris is obviously at short.
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by wcovington on Dec 10, 2008 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or the new shit
by FairweatherFan on Dec 7, 2008 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
6 actually..
1B-Burrell
2B-Uggla & Burriss
3B-Sandoval
SS-Renteria
IF-Winn
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by WalrusMan on Dec 7, 2008 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
might make up for Uggla's glove @ 2b.
Manny could just play a couple of steps behind him.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 7, 2008 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What would it take to pry Zimmerman from the always awful Nats? Think he can be had for Sanchez +? I like that guy.
by Giant Voodoo on Dec 8, 2008 9:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I said something like this at the beginning of the offseason
to mixed response
what about:
Giants get SS Miggy Tejada
SP Brian Moehler
Evening-up $$
Astros get C Bengie Molina
I know, I know, we’re trying to get younger. And the peanut gallery would have a field day with this as a typical Sabean move. But MLTBR just posted about the Stros being willing to eat some contract to lose Tejada, and they still need a catcher. Say what you will about Miggy, but he’d surely play a mean 3B next to Edgar. Moehler’s name is ugly, but he’d be a usable arm at the back of the rotation.
by BigO on Dec 8, 2008 10:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Didn't the Astros have a good catching prospect?
I thought he was ready to go. Perhaps I’m just behind on things. Towles hasn’t panned out or something?
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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Towles was historically bad in his brief run in the majors last year (.137/.250/.253 in 146 AB’s). Molina seems like a guy that the Astros might be interested in, but I’ve got a bad feeling about Tejada.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The guy they picked in the draft last year looks to be a pretty good catching prospect, but Molina might work as a stopgap
That said, I want no part of Tejada
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by jponry on Dec 8, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Castro should be decent if he develops. I think it goes to show that they don’t have any faith in Towles.
I don’t want Tejada either.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 8, 2008 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jason cASTRO for the win!
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Dec 9, 2008 6:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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