Encarnacion??
by rxmeister on Dec 5, 2008 10:24 AM PST
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Sabean kind of debunked the Sanchez for Cantu rumor yesterday but John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer is reporting today that a "reliable source" has informed him that the Giants are interested in Edwin Encarnacion. I like Encarnacion more than Cantu, but I'm kind of scared of players going from bandboxes to ATT. Ask Aaron Rowand what happens when you do that. On the other hand, Edwin is just 25 and the best should be yet to come. So would you do this one?? Sanchez for Encarnacion??
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i used to be a sanchez disliker, but the more i think about it, the more id rather keep him for the next couple of years and see. obviously, if the package was excessive in our favor i would do it, but i really want to see the young kids succeed or fail on our watch, and not elsewhere. i like the young pitchers we have coming up, (like everybody else here) but they arent ready right now and i dont want to rely on some old condom filled with walnuts pitching every fifth day on a one year rental.
sanchez for encarnacion straight up? me say no
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by Headhunter Rollins on Dec 5, 2008 10:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I feel what you’re saying, but as I indicated right before you, I’m more ok with this if it’s part of a bigger plan.
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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*right after you
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by WalrusMan on Dec 5, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I said it
before
him in the “Austin, how dare you break win before me?” sense.
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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry baby
I didn’t know it was your turn.
by Giant Voodoo on Dec 6, 2008 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d consider this one, especially if comes with moving Molina for another piece and signing CC. If this deal just moves Pablo to the bench, I don’t like it.
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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 10:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think Pablo is above Ish and Phelps on the 1B depth chart
I think I pulled my swagger muscle...
by BawLa on Dec 5, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
especially since he’s been predominately playing 1B or DHing in the VWL
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by Mike Hawk on Dec 5, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But he wouldn’t be above Pat the bat. So would an Encarnacion deal precule a Burrell signing?
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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
Which is why I don’t like it. EE has nice upside, but Burrell is a super good known quantity that will keep the seat warm for our future high upsiders. Basically, I’d rather have Burrell+Sandoval than Sandoval+Encarnacion. Especially since EE is no champion on defense.
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by hairball on Dec 5, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget that with Burrell + Sandoval you get to keep your Sanchez
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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We’ll still lead the league in dirty.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Dec 5, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t say Burrell is a champion on defense either. And he’s much older. Of course, keeping Sanchez is a big factor, I suppose.
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by raisingcain on Dec 5, 2008 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Burrell/Sandoval probably isnt exactly gold glove caliber either
by sam23 on Dec 5, 2008 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well a cc signing would rule out a Burrell signing right? I
by sam23 on Dec 5, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The leftside of our infield might have the most loltastic defense ever with Encarnacion and Renteria.
Speed and defense?
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 10:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Pablo will be better than Edwin?
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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be hard for him not to be. Over the past three years plus/minus has him at -15, -15, and -21. RZR didn’t like him either, from 2006-2007 he was the 2nd worst fielding 3B in the NL and in 2008 he was the worst. I haven’t seen his UZR’s but I’m guessing they are equally bad.
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s pretty amazing, if you check out his RZR numbers, he’s basically a Ryan Braun clone. When the guy you are most similar to no longer plays your defensive position, that’s probably not a good thing.
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite.
Either more back from the Reds or less from the Giants. I’d do something that sends something like Sosa and Burriss there perhaps though.
One thing about his HR, it looks like he’s a straight pull hitter. If you look at his HRs on HitTracker they’re all to the left of CF. They’re virtually all to the left of LCF too. Right handed pull hitters are not affected as much by ATT as gap hitters or lefties of course. This is opposed to Rowand’s HR, which last year were over half to LCF, a few away home runs that were to RF and RCF, and a few LF home runs.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 5, 2008 10:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jonathan Sanchez grew up in Ohio, and was a pretty big college star there. I would think they would be extra motivated to get him back in this trade. I hated the Cantu rumors, but I like this one a lot more. Encarnacion is only 25 and even though his average went down, his walk rate improved from 39 to 61, so he’s becoming a more selective hitter. There’s plenty of room for improvement here.
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by rxmeister on Dec 5, 2008 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jonathan Sanchez grew went to college up in Ohio,
by wilriv21 on Dec 5, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna say, the couple times I’ve heard him talk, it didn’t sound like an Ohio accent.
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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 5, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Strangely, the Dominicans have their own college in Ohio. Who’d have guessed? Although Jonathan doesn’t look like he’s Dominican…. Hmm.
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by Lyle on Dec 5, 2008 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Was he really a big star in college? I mean, he was drafted around the 30th round, right?
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by jcb9 on Dec 5, 2008 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that big
Probably 6’2" 170
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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/ ding
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by daveinexile on Dec 5, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
believe he threw a couple of no-hitters
by wilriv21 on Dec 5, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure how big a star you can be at Ohio Dominican College. I mean, how many people in Ohio are even aware the place exists?
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by Roger on Dec 5, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Best video ever.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol brantley
Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.
by SF Pete on Dec 5, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Link?
I ain’t seen it.
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by jcb9 on Dec 5, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me see if I can find it, I know MLB removed it from YouTube when it was up. Bastards.
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t find it but you can see the MLB highlight here:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2008_04_02_arimlb_cinmlb_1&mode=wrap
It’s the video entitled ‘Encarnarcion Delivers a walk-off…’ at the start of the video you can barely hear Jeff Brantley saying “He’s not a clutch player” because earlier in the AB, Encarnarcion failed to get down a bunt which kicked Brantley off into this 30 second rant about how he’s not clutch and blah-blah-blah BAM HOME RUN.
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would probably do it
I wouldn’t jump up and down over it or anything, but I would probably do it. I like Encarnacion, (or Eddy Encar as I call him) he has good prospect pedigree, has put up pretty good MLB numbers (.276/.359/.473, .289/.356/.438, and .251/.340/.466) in the 3 season in which he has played over 100 games, and he is still only 25 and probably figures to get a little better. He is not a good 3B and most scouts think he will eventually be an OF but I think he could play 3B less embarassingly than Pablo Sandoval for at least the next couple of years. I think this would be a pretty fair value trade for both teams. Like everybody around here, I would rather have the Giants rip somebody off, like Sanchez for Chris Davis or Yunel Escobar or something like that, but as far as realistic trade ideas go, I would be ok with this one.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 10:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
but I think he could play 3B less embarassingly than Pablo Sandoval for at least the next couple of years.
I guess it comes down to whether or not you think Pablo is going to be a bottom three defensive 3B in all of baseball — that’s essentially what Encarnacion and Cantu will give you defensively. I’m not sure how well Pablo can play 3B full-time, but he’s got to be better than the worst, right?
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He can’t be much worse, and he won’t cost us anything.
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by marcello on Dec 5, 2008 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
does he really?
I tend to think Pablo would be one of the worst 3B in all of MLB
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if he is, then he’s basically the same player as Encarnarcion — who we already know is terrible — why not just let Pablo do his thing for 1-year at 3B and see what happens? He could suprise you and be slightly under average instead of god awful. Like marcello said above, it won’t cost us anything to find out.
Edwin projects as a .350 wOBA hitter by Marcel and Pablo is at .355 — despite a low-ish reliability score. Running a quick WAR on Edwin, he’s worth about +1.75 wins above replacement. His defense really slags his value.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I wouldn’t want to give up much for the marginal improvement Encarnacion might give us.
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by marcello on Dec 5, 2008 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Running a quick WAR on Edwin, he’s worth about +1.75 wins above replacement. His defense really slags his value.
Forgot to add, and that’s with what I would consider a “optimistic” defensive rating of -10.5 runs below your average third baseman.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chone has Edwin projected as a -14 run third baseman.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that it wouldn’t be a huge improvement for next year. Having Encar in the fold and allowing Pablo to see most of the time at 1B makes a much better offensive club (although one with easily the worst defensive infield in MLB). There is also some value to having Encar for the future, he is young and under team control and if we move him to LF a year or two down the road and he is average there, he could be a pretty valuable player for a while.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
please do not
quote that Marcel number for Pablo, it’s utterly meaningless.
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by zenbitz on Dec 7, 2008 8:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I said the reliability score was low. Pablo probably has a .350 wOBA season in him somewhere. The point is, I’d rather find out than trade Sanchez.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 7, 2008 8:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if it was anyone else, I'd let it slide
but “the reliability score is low” is like saying “the temperature at the north pole is below average”
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by zenbitz on Dec 8, 2008 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And, in general
Olivers are free, and are like Marcel, only much better, so there’s no real need to use Marcel. Oliver has Sandoval at .290/.318/.453, with a .332 wOBA. Good for catcher, below average for a 3B.
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by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2008 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do Olivers use minor league stats?
ZIPS (also free) projects him to : .284/.313/.455, OPS+ of 98.
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by zenbitz on Dec 8, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Peeking at their 40 man boy is that a lot of ugh at Catcher. Does any one know if Bruce’s Defense has proven better suited for CF or RF yet? Or is the jury still out on that?
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Just to say it
For saying its sake….
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"IT."
Are you satisfied now?
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by daveinexile on Dec 6, 2008 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Did howwie hack your account?
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by WalrusMan on Dec 6, 2008 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am just trying to be less snarly and grumpy then I have been recently. You know change things up a bit.
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by daveinexile on Dec 6, 2008 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we had a plus defensive shortstop, I might be more amenable to the idea, but with Renteria at short, I’m not keen on the idea of acquiring a third baseman as bad defensively as Encarnacion.
He obviously has a shit-ton more upside than Cantu though.
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 10:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The fact that Reds fans call him “E5” isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement either…
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by Mike Hawk on Dec 5, 2008 10:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
it is pretty funny, though
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by alea iacta est on Dec 5, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Needless to say, if you trade Sanchez you better sign an FA starter. This trade could possibly wind up being Sanchez and a shitload of money for Encarnacion and CC Sabathia.
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by rxmeister on Dec 5, 2008 10:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Frost is on the ground. Christmas lights in front of house. Ah yes it must be time for the annual Giants lefty to Cincy for EE rumor.
Actually I think there could be some fertile ground between the Giants and the Reds. I just been down this path so often the last few years I can’t get excited over it yet. It’s more like an old friend you just quietly share a beer or coffee with.
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by daveinexile on Dec 5, 2008 10:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is funny
First McCoven says “Hell no” to Cantu – basically because of his glove. Now McCoven says “well maybe” to Encarnacion. Aren’t they basically the same player? The Reds are talking about moving EE to play LF and trade for the notoriious gold glover Atkins to play 3b.
by wilriv21 on Dec 5, 2008 10:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Edwin has tons more upside when compared to Cantu who was picked up for nothing last year. They are both horrific defenders, but Edwin does have more upside. That doesn’t mean I want him.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares they picked up the guy for nothing? Wouldn’t you trade for Carlos Pena or someone else that was in similar transaction?
by wilriv21 on Dec 5, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Pena is kinda good. Cantu is kinda not.
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Pena has been a much better player for the Rays than Cantu was for the Marlins.
Chris Dial, for example, had Cantu at +8.7 runs on offense but -15 on defense, making him worth -6.4 runs overall. He’s not a good player.
By contrast, Carlos Pena last year was worth +24.9 runs on offense and +1.4 runs on defense, +26.32 overall.
Basically the difference is that Jorge Cantu sucked before the Marlins picked him up and he still sucks.
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he was available for any team to sign prior to the 2007 season. Now he is a stud.
by wilriv21 on Dec 5, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your point?
Cantu isn’t.
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the statements that Cantu was picked up for nothing.
by wilriv21 on Dec 5, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
…okay, but Carlos Pena is a much much better player than Cantu. Cantu was picked up for nothing because he sucked, and he still sucks. Pena was picked up for nothing because he was perceived as sucking (though he really didn’t) and he ended up being awesome.
You can’t compare them outside of the fact that they were both, yes, picked up for nothing. But saying, “You would trade for Carlos Pena, why won’t you vote for Cantu??” just doesn’t work.
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know why I said vote.
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Preparing for his entry on our prospect list.
by Natto on Dec 5, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tell us why you wouldn’t vote for Cantu.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 5, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jorge Cantu: wrong for the Giants, wrong for America
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
That is their logic and I just did.
by wilriv21 on Dec 5, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, okay.
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean, wilriv?
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
About your and Hawk’s statements about Cantu being pick up for nothing the prior season
by wilriv21 on Dec 5, 2008 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not really my logic. Cantu was picked up because he sucks. Pena was picked up because he wasn’t valued very well. Basically what jp said above.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
either way, we basically know what both are capable of now
Pena= good, and Cantu= not good
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by stealth snail on Dec 5, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I wanted the Giants to sign him then.
by Natto on Dec 5, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
upside schmuckside, I dont want either one. Sanchez in a deal for Beltre or something similar or keep him.
by sam23 on Dec 5, 2008 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
San chez for one year of Beltre? No thanks.
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by Goofus on Dec 6, 2008 6:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how does he have more upside?
Cantu hit 28 homers when he was 23 years old and 29 last year, and both seasons he wasn’t in a hitter’s park. He is now 26 and is one year older than Encarnacion. How does Encarnacion have more upside? Encarnacion barely posted an .800 OPS in a hitter’s park. Encarnacion walks a lot more than Cantu, but Cantu is a lot stronger and better contact hitter. And they’re both equally bad at defense. So how is Encarnacion better?
by boonitez on Dec 5, 2008 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly By Being More Consistant?
But other then that I tend to agree with you.
by giantsrainman on Dec 5, 2008 11:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Consistency and the better isoD for Encarnacion are huge. And Cantu may be a slightly better contact hitter, but he still strikes out quite a bit.
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by jponry on Dec 6, 2008 7:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think most of it has to do with the fact that the Marlins picked him up for nothing last year, and we don’t want to justify giving up Sanchez for a guy who signed a minor league contract in 2008….whats in a name…
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by Mike Hawk on Dec 5, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not for me.
But if any one thinks a player like Dirty is worth Cantu ( the weaker more agile son of Rob Deer) they been paying too much attention to fantasy ball and not enough to how the game is played.
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by daveinexile on Dec 5, 2008 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think any Reds move would be more liekly to be a package then a 1 for1 type swap. Thy have Cathing issues as well.
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by daveinexile on Dec 5, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
basically the same player?
they are both horrible defensively, but Eddy Encar is a much better offensive player. Not to mention a 25 year old with a prospect background who figures to improve, as opposed to a guy coming off a flukish power season. Here are their numbers for the last 3 years:
Eddy Encar
2008: .251/.340/.466 OPS+ 106
2007: .289/.356/.438 OPS+ 101
2006: .276/.359/.473 OPS+ 108
Cantu:
2008: .277/.327/.481 OPS+ 110
2007: .252/.331/.357 OPS+ 79
2006: .249/.295/.404 OPS+ 80
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice selective end points.
Cantu Career OPS+ 102
Edwin Career OPS+ 103
Cantu has struggled in ‘06-’07 but you tossed out his best offensive season by cutting out his ’05.
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And note, I said above that Edwin has way more upside. So, I’m not sure what your argument is.
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Touche
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Correction:
It’s spelled “Douche”.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 5, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Idaho Nick on Dec 5, 2008 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fwiw, aren’t the three most recent seasons supposed to have the most predictive value?
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I have no idea. I just think it’s a little unfair to toss out his 2005 season. Cantu’s 2007 season was less than 150 total PA’s.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At the same time, though, that was almost 4 years ago now and he was horrible on defense even back then (I think I remember seeing that his defense almost completely negated his offense that year.)
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but we aren’t talking about defense are we? Just offense?
I’ll say that Edwin, going forward, is a better hitter than Cantu but he’s probably even worse defensively — if that’s possible — and his hitting superiority isn’t of such a huge factor to separate them entirely. I think they are pretty similar and I’ll stand by that statement until someone convinces me otherwise.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I’m not particularly interested in Encarnacion anymore. Last year, sure. This year… eh. And definitely not for Sanchez.
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand or Molinia based swap?
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by daveinexile on Dec 5, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For sure, but I doubt the Reds would do that.
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They need a middle of the order RHB. They have next to nothing at C.
I think if there is a trade between theese team is would probably be 5+ players involed.
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by daveinexile on Dec 5, 2008 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Molina isn’t really a middle of the order bat for anyone but the Giants and he’s only got one year left on his deal
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering if Rowand in Cf ( moving Bruce to right or just replacing Freel/Hopper) could be shinny enough to tempt Jocketty.
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by daveinexile on Dec 5, 2008 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can Dickerson play CF? The Reds seem to be high-ish on him after his season last year.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
B-R has him listed for 45 innings there this year and 182 innings in Lf at the majors. First Inning listed him as a Cf.
Still that gives the Reds only 2 building blocks in the OF going forward. Unless they have some one in the upper minors that they did not give a call up to that they feel is MLB ready. Add to that Jocketty’s track record is not exactly a nature the kids kind of guy.
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by daveinexile on Dec 5, 2008 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Addendum
Here it says he logged 588 innings in Cf at AAA last year.
His BR minor league page says he has played Cf 160 out 225 games the last 2 seasons between AA & AAA.
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by daveinexile on Dec 5, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t seen any move this offseason or rumor that would make me believe that the Giants would trade a veteran like Molina or Rowand. Their moves have not compromised their future, but they’re also not making any moves that would compromise their present.
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by rxmeister on Dec 5, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True.But we have seen nothing that would rule out moving one or more vets either
If one was to view EE as an eventual corner outfielder just holding down third (similar to how we view Sandoval now) and/or thought Sandoval & Holm could hold down catcher well enough then just what is the team losing short term by moving one of them? Or both?
If there is a swap its because the Reds think they can fill2 problems at once. So the question becomes what besides EE would be comming back?
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by daveinexile on Dec 5, 2008 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's probably true...
But those 3 years definitely go a long way to showing the difference in their consistency.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 5, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’ll concede that Edwin IS a better hitter but in terms of overall talent, they are pretty similar.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Edwin is considerably better at getting on base though.
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, agreed.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we had a 3B who could get on base, I’d probably show on opening day and say “Who are you and what did you do with my Giants?”
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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Guzman is hitting .366 with 9 homeruns 50 RBI (yes I said 50!!) in 149 atbats with an on base pct of .466 in the Venzuelan winter league. Of course we’ll lose him in the Rule V draft this week, but look at how close we almost came.
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by rxmeister on Dec 6, 2008 5:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m trying to understand why my adopted son isn’t on the 40-man
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by Goofus on Dec 6, 2008 6:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously! Maybe I don’t understand roster rules enough, but is Bocock really likely to be swiped away as a Rule 5 draftee after his performance on the big team last year.
I would think Guzman is far more likely to be lost and I’d pull Bocock from the 40-man and replace him with The Raptor.
Someone help me understand what I’m missing.
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by Goofus on Dec 7, 2008 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/shrugs
the only thing I can guess is that to remove Bocock from the 40 man, he would have to be waived and then he may very well get Denkered.
But I don’t really understand roster shenanigans that well.
by oldjacket on Dec 7, 2008 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference is
That any team that Rule 5s** Guzman will have to keep him on the major league roster, or send him back to the giants. If we take Bocock off the 40 man roster, all teams will have a chance to claim him, without having to keep him on the roster.
**That’s right, I just used Rule 5 as a verb.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Dec 7, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. I suspected it might be something like this. I’d still consider doing this. I can’t imagine teams beating down Bocock’s door with offers.
With Renteria, Burriss, Adrianza and Noonan in the fold, is Bocock really in our plans anyway?
Bocock, Bocock, Bocock. Maybe we’re keeping him on the 40 because his name is so much fun!
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by Goofus on Dec 7, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there must be some team out there that could use a little bocock
by sam23 on Dec 7, 2008 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a bit of a stretch
I can’t imagine teams beating down Bocock’s door with offers.
That’s what she said.
It’s a bit of a stretch is also what she said.
OK, I’m done.
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by marcello on Dec 8, 2008 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I’m done
That’s what she said (or more like he said, I guess).
Now that’s what I call a stretch.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now THAT'S what I call a stretch.
That’s what she said.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 8, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they would DFA him directly before pitchers & cacthers report. Shows How little I know.
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by daveinexile on Dec 6, 2008 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
which is more meaning less? Guzmans VWL stats, or Pabo’s Marcel projection?
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by zenbitz on Dec 7, 2008 8:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The more recent performance has the most value. However, that’s far from the complete picture. I think that’s why so many of the good projection systems use 3-5 years of data, though how you weight each year is also another issue
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by baetown415 on Dec 5, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you’re certainly right about Cantu’s 2005, I just used the last 3 season because Edwin only has 3 relatively full MLB seasons.
Basically my point is this: 3 years down the road I think there is a good chance that Edwin is a good hitting LF with average defense, whereas 3 years down the road I think Cantu is a bad fielding 1B with a .315 OBP
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We’ll see, I guess, but I don’t think it makes sense to trade for Edwin with the intent of what he’ll be in LF three years down the road when the Giants have a player in Sandoval who will probably match his production at 3B both defensively and offensively.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And you know, unless he takes a step to being a 110+ OPS+ player, he probably won’t be a very good LF anyway.
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and despite his hitting the hitting differences, nothing about his defense says he’ll be average in LF. If he’s still defending at -10 runs in LF, a move isn’t going to make a difference.
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The obvious play is Encarnacion at first, right? I don’t think he’ll quite have the bat to be a star over there, and I’m certainly not giving up Sanchez for him, but if we somehow ended up with Encarnacion on the roster I’d put him at first and see what happens.
by Evan on Dec 5, 2008 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why not IshiPhelps?
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by baetown415 on Dec 5, 2008 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am fine with that
However Evan brought up moving EE to play some 1b and was making the comment that Cantu can also play some 1b
by wilriv21 on Dec 5, 2008 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah. reading fail on my part.
I guess they both can “play” 1B but I wouldn’t want to see it hahaha
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by baetown415 on Dec 5, 2008 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because wil is fixated on him.
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Believe he hits lots of HRS. Would like to see his bat in the lineup at third.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like your style.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 5, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, is this a new program?
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s the one!
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 5, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Neo was “the one”
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by Goofus on Dec 7, 2008 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The reason talking about Cantu when discussing EE is that the Giants are talking discussing trading for a middle of the order corner infield bat. They believe both Cantu and EE meet this requirement. If they do make a trade it will be an Cantu OR EE not for both.
Another reason they are tied together is because SF inquired about Cantu and probably did not like the price so Florida then leaks that the Giants have competition for Cantu as now the White Sox are interested. Not to be outdone the Giants see their raise and raise again leaking SF is interested in EE.
by wilriv21 on Dec 5, 2008 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re assuming alot here. When the Sanchez for Cantu rumor came up the other day, Sabean was quick to shoot it down, saying he wouldn’t trade Sanchez for “any old player.” Not only that, but the EE rumor came from a Cincinnati paper who quoted his own “reliable source” whom I doubt is Brian Sabean. In addition, Jonathan Sanchez’ name never came up in the rumor, although an assumption that he is the player involved would be pretty logical.
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by rxmeister on Dec 6, 2008 5:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not Burrell?
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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
because Cantu has a career OBP of .317
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they have a ONE year age difference.
by wilriv21 on Dec 5, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you’re not a big believer in walks, so you probably don’t see much difference between a career .346 OBP (Encarnacion) and a .317 OBP (Cantu), but that’s pretty significant.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 5, 2008 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a walk-gnostic?
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by baetown415 on Dec 5, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No thanks
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by baetown415 on Dec 5, 2008 11:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pablo (@3rd) and Sanchez > EE
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Dec 5, 2008 11:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but
EE @ 3B and Pablo @ C and what Molina might bring back > Sanchez and Pablo @ 3rd
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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agree
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by Giants_Junkie on Dec 6, 2008 8:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez for Encarnacion
While Sanchez had flashes of brilliance, we have alot more pitching in the pipeline than we do hitting. A legit corner infielder sure would be nice. Sanchez seemed lost in the second half and he really seems incapable of pitching out of the stretch. Having said that, I cry every time I see Joe Nathan or Francisco Liriano pitch so maybe trading young arms might not be a good idea.
by mikeivie on Dec 5, 2008 11:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Except...
Encarnacion is not a legit corner infielder. I am completely baffled by the interest in Encarnacion. He’s roughly average as an offensive 3B, but he isn’t just bad defensively, he’s the worst defensive 3B in MLB by a wide margin according to both RZR and Plus/Minus. He’s not a good player. If we had a hole in the outfield, I suppose his bat would be useful, but he cannot play third base, especially on a team that has Edgar Renteria as its shortstop.
by taliesin on Dec 7, 2008 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Worst by UZR as well.
Yeah, I’m really not interested in Encarnacion anymore.
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by jponry on Dec 7, 2008 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bengie for Encarnacion, Sign Burrell, Sign CC
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by stealth snail on Dec 5, 2008 12:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and Randy Johnson
Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.
by SF Pete on Dec 5, 2008 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yee! yee!
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by stealth snail on Dec 5, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what about Sanhcez and Sandoval for Votto?
I just pulled that out of my ass. I doubt the Reds would do it.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 12:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think I would do that either
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then again, the Reds of Yonder Alonso in the pipeline
and he’s rumored to be as good as (or better than) Votto, so maybe…? I have read in a couple places that Alonso’s arrival (in 09 or 10) is expected to push Votto to the OF. And the CIN squad couls use an upgrade at C & SP…so…hmmm….
This is an interesting thought from FLS’s nether region.
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by Giants_Junkie on Dec 6, 2008 9:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"of" = "have" in the title up yonder
oh, and “couls” = “could” since I’m sure that had ya head-scratchin’
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by Giants_Junkie on Dec 6, 2008 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s on MLBTraderumors.com it must be true. Most ridiculous comment on that post..
I would trade EE for Matt Cain and Bengie Molina(although I don’t know Molina’s contract status.)
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by j14 on Dec 5, 2008 7:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
LOL
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
then again THIRD starter for a THIRD baseman makes sense
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too....
I wonder other fans think our mock trade proposals are as absurd as we do of theirs.
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by The Nick on Dec 5, 2008 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am impressed (and pleasantly surprised) that the mention of possibly acquiring a 3B didn’t lead to any knee-jerk Encarnacion Pedro Feliz comparisons
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 5, 2008 7:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, they aren’t very similar players.
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by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 7:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now, Feliz and Beltre on the other hand..
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by WalrusMan on Dec 5, 2008 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HEAD ASPLODES
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 5, 2008 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't call me Mookie
TR Sullivan is reporting talks between the Giants and Rangers with a supposed Jonatha Sanchez for Hank Blalock deal. This one time All Star would be a gamble, as his body just hasn’t held up over the years. Hank’s not even 30 years old, and he’s had a bunch of injuries that have kept him sidelined of late.
I’d pass on Hank.
by biff pocoroba on Dec 8, 2008 8:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Way to high a price for Blalock.
Didnt Sabes says he wasnt going to offer Sanchez for just any player?!
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Dec 8, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he actually said “any ole player”
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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