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Keith Law on the Renteria signing

Keith Law has some good things to say about the Renteria signing and also some good things to say about the Giants offseason in general.

The point worth emphasizing here is the complete change in operating philosophy for the Giants over the past 12 months. GM Brian Sabean and his staff appear committed to a rebuilding project, and are working to fit short-term contention (or at least respectability) into the rebuilding plan, rather than following the old plan of deliberately giving away draft picks and fielding the oldest team permitted under American labor laws.

He also makes a good point about Burriss (listen up the 3-5 of you who insist on using his .357 OBP as evidence that he is somehow a useful offensive player) that his OBP was inflated by hitting in the 8th spot so much of last year, where he would be pitched around to get to the pitcher.  Honestly, I hadn't really thought of this before, but upon examination of Burrisss's splits, he is exactly right:

 At bats in the 8th spot:  11 walks in 106 PAs (1 walk every 9.6 PAs)

At bats in other spots:  12 walks in 157 PAs (1 walk every 13 PAs)

 

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Dan Szymborski more or less likes it too.

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by jponry on Dec 4, 2008 5:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

“(just turned 33 officially and he’s likely to actually be 32)”

That’s an interesting thing to say, a latin player who is actually younger than his given age? Anyone ever heard about this?

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by Mike Hawk on Dec 4, 2008 5:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yes, MLB’s rule is that an international free agent can not sign until he is 16 years old, so sometimes a precocious 15 year old will forge a birth certificate that says he is 16 so he can sign right away. Adrian Beltre is probably the most famous example of this

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 4, 2008 5:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

THUS SAYETH KLAW

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by Natto on Dec 4, 2008 5:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

you couldnt find a pic of him from the secret wars? lazy

i adopt the ghost of ernest riles

by Headhunter Rollins on Dec 5, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like it too.

Like someone said on KNBR earlier (it was either Rod or Tom) Renteria is a brind to Burriss.

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With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.

by ejdacanay on Dec 4, 2008 5:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Bridge*

Not Brind

Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.

by ejdacanay on Dec 4, 2008 5:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

/me

puts the dictionary back on the shelf

by FPTV on Dec 4, 2008 6:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I could see Renteria being a brine.

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by jcb9 on Dec 4, 2008 6:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

…but not a brine for the young, free-range Bussiss.

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Dec 5, 2008 10:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

I like Klaw, and the point about the .357 OBP is legit – but Renteria’s defense was awful last year. A SS who hits .280/.320/.430 but is a -15 on defense loses a hell of a lot of value. I think Burrris is never going to exceed a .300/.360/.400 line is his career, but his defense is good and he’s OBP heavy – the Giants lineup had one regular (Randy Winn) who had an OBP of at least .350. That’s absurd.

In my mind, given the choice of Dunn at 3/42 (throwing some numbers out there) or Renteria at 2/18 is pretty easy.

Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.

by Aadik on Dec 4, 2008 5:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Can you really talk about Renteria giving runs back on defense and then bring up Adam Dunn?

And I don’t think a Renteria signing means a Dunn (or Burrell) signing is impossible.

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by jponry on Dec 4, 2008 5:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, is Burriss really a good defender? Most of the numbers I saw from last year at SS had him at average or below average. (sss, obviously)

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by jponry on Dec 4, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone have access to Dewan's numbers

I haven’t seen them, so I may be off base – pure conjecture on my end.

Dunn at 1B can’t do that much damage. (/jk). Look, I just see this as a treading water move (and I’ll be thrilled if Renteria hits .280/.330/.450 again); if you’re going to overpay, pay for genuine quality (aka Furcal or Dunn) rather than mediocrity.

Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.

by Aadik on Dec 4, 2008 6:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In 315 innings, Burris was -7 plays by plus/minus. The sample is way too small, though. You can’t take anything from it.

/deer head
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Dec 4, 2008 6:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

With most of the damage being going to his right, he scored -7 on balls to his right. Straight on balls were -1 and balls to his left was +1.

/deer head
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Dec 4, 2008 6:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Burriss' D

During the season there was already talk about him being good at 2B, not so much at SS. then in AFL he reportedly fell apart defensively, manifested by a ton of errors. I think his performance there gave the G’s cold feet about handing him the job next year.

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by leftymalo on Dec 4, 2008 8:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Howry though, nice right?

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by JakeS on Dec 4, 2008 6:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Dunn's defense

Thank you!

Look, it needs to be said. For what Dunn will cost, he is NOT worth it. That is the essence of overpaying for mediocrity. He’s really not that good and he’s not worth teens (not a typo of tens) of millions per year. It feels dirty to say it, but walks and dingers really aren’t everything. Considering he’s a slugger, isn’t it amazing that he’s finished in the top 15 in slugging just once in his career, even while hitting in a great offensive park? His complete lack of ability to hit for average or play defense really limits his value.

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by marcello on Dec 4, 2008 6:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. Yes, he will hit home runs…..and…and.. I cant think anything else good to say about him.

That is the essence of overpaying for mediocrity.

Dunn will not put the Giants over the hump and will also block playing time for younger players.

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by Giant among Angels on Dec 4, 2008 7:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He walks a ton too. Both are valuable skills, they are just offset a lot by his contact and defensive problems. The salary he is likely to command makes him not worth it.

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by marcello on Dec 4, 2008 7:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Walks are good, but he also strikes out a lot as well (just 10 less than Howard at 150). But yes, too much money. I had him last year in fantasy baseball but refused to play him because he consistently went 1 or 2 or 3 for the week with 1 or 2 or 3 hr’s and the rest of the at bats were mainly unproductive. Dont want, No Way!

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by Giant among Angels on Dec 4, 2008 7:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He’s brutal in an average based league.

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by marcello on Dec 4, 2008 7:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus he will hit less hr’s at Mays Park

I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!

by Giant among Angels on Dec 4, 2008 7:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to see some charts and complicated statistical chatter to back this up, please

by Evan on Dec 4, 2008 7:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No Charts. Dunn did not hit every hr 150 miles. So it is common sense that a few of the wall scrapers will not go out in SF.

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by Giant among Angels on Dec 4, 2008 8:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He will hit fewer home runs. He will hit for less power.

/English lesson

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by leftymalo on Dec 4, 2008 8:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Noted...

/wondering if this guy has anything better do than correct fans posts

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by Giant among Angels on Dec 4, 2008 8:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

He also corrects Grant posts.

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by Natto on Dec 4, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like a fulfilling life….

I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!

by Giant among Angels on Dec 4, 2008 9:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Me thinks you haven’t picked up on the fun we have with each other here. Check your thin skin at the door.

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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 8:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What about my foreskin?

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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 5, 2008 3:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Slam your foreskin in the door!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 5, 2008 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, he also corrects fan shots

My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman

by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 8:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

also, dude just doesnt like baseball

bitte, baby.

by ryanmiles on Dec 4, 2008 9:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

doesn’t have a passion for it

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 4, 2008 9:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He’ll clog the bases

Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.

by ResDog on Dec 4, 2008 8:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, thats optomistic for Burriss. I would guess that Burriss never exeeds .270/.325/.350.

I can haz homerunz!

by jbowl on Dec 4, 2008 6:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly
I think Burrris is never going to exceed a .300/.360/.400 line is his career

I think Burriss is never going to approach that line in a full season of at bats

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 4, 2008 6:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

In over 800 minor league ABs (almost entirely logged in various forms of A ball) his career line is .285/.347/.337. The .300/.360 projections would be wildly optimistic, the .400 slg just pure fantasy.

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by Roger on Dec 4, 2008 9:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

obey the Klaw!

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 4, 2008 6:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This time of year, aren’t we supposed to call him “Santa Klaw”?

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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 8:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not if you’re Jewish. Then he’d be Hanukklaw.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 5, 2008 8:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Klawanza?

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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 8:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s hard to say.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 5, 2008 9:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Got it!

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by dprodigy19 on Dec 5, 2008 12:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You seem to be way too optimistic with regards to Burriss & way too negative with regards to Renteria.

Renteria’s defense wasn’t awful last year, it was just bad. It’s not like he’s 20-30 runs bad, he’s more likely less than 10. And Burriss hasn’t so far looked like a gold glove winner & will likely be no better than average. Renteria had a down year last year (although he still outhit Burriss) but you can’t ignore the OPS of 860 & 797 he put up the previous 2 years (either of which could be the best on the Giants) He’s also a prime candidate to rebound, given that he his peripherals didn’t go down, and he put up a greater than 800 OPS in the second half.

You’re right that Burriss will never exceed that line, but in fact, as other have mentioned, he’ll never get anywhere near that line. When you’re expecting a player to perform at a higher level in the majors than he’s ever done in any season at any level in the minors then that suggests you’re expectations are out of line.

Projections systems aren’t everything, but there’s a reason why Oliver projects them to differ in wOBA by .04 (.331 – .291) & why Bill James projects there to be a gap in OPS of .131 (.795-.664)

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by GiantFan on Dec 5, 2008 5:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I keep telling my wife, “I’m not awful in bed, just bad.”

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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 8:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He tells her over dinner, in the car, over the phone at work. Lowered expectations…

Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.

by kennv on Dec 5, 2008 11:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Marcel projects me as “gawd awful” this year, so I should be able to beat that

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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 12:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Your value might go up if you change position.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Dec 5, 2008 12:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Or if I was a switch hitter?

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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You might need some performance enhancers.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 5, 2008 2:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Renteria's defense

is kind of a moo point. We know it was terrible last year, but there pretty big year-to-year variations, and he has not always been terrible (like Dunn). If his defense was GOOD, then he wouldn’t get a 2/$18M contract! He’d get a much longer, richer one. On the flip side, Burriss could be an adequate hitter, but I think ON BALANCE Renteria is a more valuable player in 2009 and probably 2010 as well. Also he is MUCH more likely to fluke out and put up a .320/.380/.420 season. Those are the kind of flukes the Giants need in the next couple years.

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by zenbitz on Dec 5, 2008 9:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bovine intervention...

…just thought I’d beat leftymalo to the punch…

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by Giants_Junkie on Dec 5, 2008 9:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else find it weird

that Chone’s projections (which have Manny at -2 at short) are Manny’s small sample of MLB performance regressed to, well, pretty much us. i’m guessing that McCoven makes up most of the Fans’ Scouting Reports for the Giants, so it’s kinda feels strange that our general evaluation of him is pretty much is projection.

or i guess it makes sense and i’m the odd one here

oh yeah, even last year, Renteria wasn’t even -15 with the glove. I’m sure he’ll be around -5 to – 7 with the glove, but it won’t be killer

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by baetown415 on Dec 4, 2008 6:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

OT, would you pay Big Ugly 13mm to pitch for this year?

I can haz homerunz!

by jbowl on Dec 4, 2008 7:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

8M

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?

by zenbitz on Dec 5, 2008 9:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

law is an idiot

renteria is a bridge to nowhere….if the team needed a stopgap ss, then you go out and get a cheap journeyman

this is the same crap that sabean always pulls

but you guys keep drinking that kool-aide…right up to the moment that edgar goes on the dl

by bacci40 on Dec 4, 2008 9:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, McCovey Chronicles is well known for drinking the Sabean kool-aid. We’re all Sabean fanboys and girls here.

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by jponry on Dec 4, 2008 9:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jponry: Super Secret Sabean Lover Club Member

/deer head
Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Dec 4, 2008 9:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I know...

I love how bacci always stops by to say how we’re all biased in favor of Sabes, and GRM stops by to tell us how we’re all biased against Sabes. I wonder if it ever occurs to them that their biases might be coming into play.

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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 5, 2008 3:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What would happen if they happened to come in contact with each other? I shudder to think of it.

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by Natto on Dec 5, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They’d complete each other

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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 3:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No...

but I think there was an episode of Star Trek that dealt with that phenomenon.

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by Lyle on Dec 8, 2008 1:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for stopping by. As usual you have added nothing to the discussion. I’ll cut and paste what zenbitz wrote for you:

Renteria kinda sucks. However, he’s almost certainly better than Burriss. More to the point, at least for 2009 Renteria has much much more UPSIDE. His defense could bounce back. His bat will probably bounce back. If he’s old and terrible, we can just bring Burriss up again.

The salary is pretty much market value for an average vet shortstop. Now, he was not average last year, but I think he is likely to have some in the tank left. The key is that the deal is only 2 years, and no picks lost which means if he is f-o-r-k done, then we haven’t really sacrificed anything.

What is also important is this is neither a "WIN NOW AT ALL COSTS" move (ca. Bonds years) and not a "FIRE SALE PLAY THE KIDS" move, but it’s a "IMPROVE THE SHORT TERM WITH NO COST TO THE LONG TERM", which is exactly what I think the Giants should be doing. I am not a fan of "tear it down and rebuild" right now, because such an effort essentially wastes the cheap years of Lincecum and Cain.

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by marcello on Dec 4, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i love your lack of empirical evidence to back up your claims

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by baetown415 on Dec 4, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We like yours even more

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by stealth snail on Dec 4, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t wanna repeat all the stuff that’s already been said around this site, plus the stuff on fangraphs that’s been written. People can just browse the different threads we have going.

Also, if people wanna argue that living with Manny Burriss and his projected .45 WAR (over 600 PA) performance would be better than spending money on Renteria and his projected 2.10 WAR (600 PA) and instead should have put that money into scouting and PD, that’s just fine. If the argument is that Renteria’s contract is bad in of itself, then I’d like to know why.

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by baetown415 on Dec 4, 2008 9:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we should have the pitcher bat second so Burriss can lead off. Bochy is an idiot for not doing this already.

Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.

by SF Pete on Dec 5, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

plus

This would probably add a few runs per season, though probably not that many.

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by baetown415 on Dec 5, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I LOL’d

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by Goofus on Dec 5, 2008 12:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Folks keep saying that Carpenteria is “declining” or “coming off a bad-year,” et cetera, but a more meticulous analysis shows that he merely had a bad first half… as Shulman points out:

Renteria rebounded to bat .296 with a .343 on-base percentage and .469 slugging percentage after the All-Star break.

Conclusion: great signing

IF the iGnats to get anywhere near that kind of production from the SS position this year I’ll be thrilled.

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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 5, 2008 10:42 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

An even more meticulous analysis

says that first and second half splits don’t mean anything or have predicative value. Although, I don’t think this applies to people who are injured in either part of the season or extreme circumstances like that.

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by baetown415 on Dec 5, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

samplesizes are frustrating

but all statistical reasoning is guilty of poor inductive logic.
sometimes statistical heuristics have to be buoyed by common sense, no?

i’m just saying that to say he had a bad year is to only look at the first half. he rebounded nicely.

I’m not saying that he’s going to have the same numbers as his first or second half.

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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 5, 2008 11:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

reply fail

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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 5, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah, he did rebound and put up a good 2008 performance. That was a testament to both Edgar getting back on track and regression.
I also think that you can’t discount first half performance when evaluating how someone did last season, despite how well they do later in the season (e.g. Ryan Howard)

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by baetown415 on Dec 5, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There was also the speculation that Renteria came into spring last year out of shape and wasn’t in shape until midseason. Speculation being the key word.

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by marcello on Dec 5, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When you look at Renteria’s peripheral stats, though, he’s a machine. Since 2004, he has had the same year every year. What looks like an erratic career is actually a demonstration of how much effect random chance can have on a player’s statistics.

by Evan on Dec 5, 2008 12:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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