C.C. Sabathia to take a hometown discount?
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 4, 2008 11:21 AM PST
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No editorial for this one. Just a poll.
Thus endeth the rumor/transaction posts for today. There are three more below this one. SHOULD the Giants sign Pat Burrell? WOULD Sabean consider trading for Jorge Cantu? DID the Giants make a mistake with Edgar Renteria? THERE ARE ANSWERS BELOW! IT'S A SUPER-RUMOR-BLOWOUT BLOGFEST! EVERYTHING MUST GO!
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Voted for 8 years
I don’t think we should sign him for more than 5 years, if it can be helped, but the idea of a secret underground lair beneath the Bell is really freakin’ cool!
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
Agreed
I voted 6, 120 but thought the lair was an intriguing idea
I can’t keep up with this rumor mill, where is the off switch? Can’t we save some of this for a slow week? Not complaining, but this hot stove league is really cooking around these parts.
I thought I’d try this out. I’ve never seen the Giants with so many hands in the pot, and I’m getting a lot of traffic from people who want to read what we all think. Put the big things up on the main page a couple of days before the Winter Meetings, and resume normal operations right after — that’s my plan.
If it’s too much, let me know, and I’ll know better for next year.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 4, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
it's looking like
the best offseason day on MCC ever
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Dec 4, 2008 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn’t go that far. They want to skim the headlines for amusing rage.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 4, 2008 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
sssshhhhhhh. Don't let the secret out.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
Crazy
I took my phd exam the last two days so have been out of the loop, come back here and it’s like FA/rumor explosion! Howry signed! Renteria signed! Cantu playing 3rd and CC has an underground lair at Pac Bell and Burrell plays 3rd 1st OF…wtf is going on here
Simple.
The Federal Reserve’s patent application for printing free money hasn’t gone through.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Dec 4, 2008 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
If Burrell is playing 1st/3rd/OF
I’d figure that with the economy as it is, players are getting laid off too and those that remain are being asked to pick up the slack. Fred Lewis and TI are out of a job, we’re not signing a 3rd baseman, and Patt Burrell is getting signed to play all three positions. We’re now fielding a 7 man team, and the roster will be cut to 15-20 players.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
The Price You Pay For Not Listening
If Sabes would have taken the advice of a close associate we would have picked CC instead of Torcato
Oh, and there is an underground lair at the yard.
I live there.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 4, 2008 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Lars the Stationary
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
Scented stationary with kitties and a matching pen and pencil set!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 4, 2008 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
That’s actually stationery.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 4, 2008 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
And if Lars is at Leavenworth and making candy...
…it’s penitentiary confectionary stationary stationery.
…which neither I nor anyone else gets…
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Dec 4, 2008 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
And if he's like me, he's
sedentary penitentiary ….
I'm adopting a true Giant and an awe-inspring gamer: tk. "Atta babe."
by Mayor of 311 on Dec 5, 2008 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
5 years/120M
I don’t really think the team can afford CC and Zito, but if we’d get CC, I’d prefer to sign him to a shorter term contract, even if it costs more per year.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 4, 2008 11:44 AM PST reply actions
win
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 4, 2008 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Actually
What is the advantage to this? If it’s 120m for 5 years or 120m for 6?
Id rather take the 6 year deal on the chance that he’s still any good in that 6th year. If not, you can just release him and you are no worse off than you were with the 5 year deal.
I fail to see the logic in less years for the same $$ from a teams perspective.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I’ve never understood that bias. If you get lucky and he’s still a good pitcher after five years, you come out way ahead with the longer contract for less per year.
you can add an 6th year option to deal with that.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 4, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
If 5/120 were an option, 6/120 wouldn’t be. It’s more like 5/120 vs. 6/140.
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Neglectful father of David Quinowski
A starting Picher at selling his age 33 (and on) season will probably be a lot more attractive to a Starting pitcher selling his age 34 (and on) season. This is something to think about if said starter has managed to stay in the top 20% of starter his previous 2 seasons (compensated drafted picks) yet does not fit your plans at the end of the contract.
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Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
The Zito situation dominates my thinking on this. I’d much rather have Zito on a 5 year/$126M deal than 7/$126M deal. It’s just too long to carry a shitty pitcher. we’d only have 3 more years to go. The Giants may be ready to compete in 2012, but will still have to pay Zito $19M (and $20M in 2013) that could be used to add puzzle pieces or two, or re-sign Matt Cain or extend Lincecum.
Now, I don’t think CC will turn into Zito, but he is a lot more injury prone, has been worked hard the last couple of years and is in what appears to be horrendous physical shape. So, the question is “do you want to be stuck with a bad contract for longer or shorter?” I say shorter.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 4, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
But financially, that makes no sense
Sign him for a 7 year 126 year deal and if you think he sucks after 5 years, release him.
It costs you the same, you lose nothing.
But if he doesn’t suck, you get 2 more years of his service.
And we wonder why this country is in a financial crisis ;)
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
my flawless logic
its the difference between paying for a useful player or a non-useful one. It may cost the same dollars-wise over the long run, but why have a salary weighing you down for 2 extra years that could be used for players that will help you win. The point is to pay for the useful years and not beyond.
If Zito’s contract came off the books in 2011, we could sign Matt Cain to an extension, but since there’s a $39M obligation remaining to Zito in 2012 & 2013, so we probably won’t be able to do that. Having saved a few million over the course of the previous 5 years isn’t going to change that situation.
And if Zito were any good, I wouldn’t be making this point, but it’s about limited risk. I’d rather have an expensive pitcher who sucks for 5 years rather than 7. if it costs a few extra million per year, than so be it.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 4, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
apology accepted.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 4, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Holy god
that’s a lot of money for 2 pitchers…didn’t we just learn that throwing 2.2 billion at a pitcher isn’t a good idea? Obviously CC is no Zito, but he also threw like 25 CGs and 1000 innings the last 2 years.
Forgive me if I think it’s a bad idea.
The thing is
Sabathia is a lot better than Zito.
I’m not sure it’s a good idea myself, but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t tempted.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
This is much how I feel.
If Sabathia becomes an albatross, it will be from injury, my only concern, not because he stinks.
Greetings, Marklar! I am Marklar! This is Marklar.
Neukom is playing with Microsoft money, so I say we can offer CC 6 years/ 3.2 bazillion dollars. And when Timmy’s deal nears, Gates will release Vista 2.2, or some such nonsense.
by biff pocoroba on Dec 4, 2008 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
I said not with Zito
but I’d take the 5 or 6 year deal I guess. I just worry about the rest of the roster.
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
I would actually argue
That IF the team goes after CC, they had probably better go all in $$ wise after Burrell as well.
Typically with contracts like this you are really buying the first couple of good years and taking a gamble on the rest. With that in mind, you would want those good years to be your best shot at making an impact.
CC + Burrell on this team would make it the instant favorite to win the NL west, and frankly I think that a rotation of Tim, CC, Cain, Sanchez would give you a very reasonable chance in ANY playoff series.
With Winn, Molina, Roberts, etc coming off the books next year and the hope that those current salaried positions could be filled by homegrown replacements (Nate, Pablo, etc) even w/ CC @ ~ 20m + Burrell around 12 the Salary would not be out of line.
Going for CC indicates going all in, and frankly it might not be a bad idea, especially given the somewhat soft market for FA’s this season thusfar.
Great looking 4 man roation. But who is going to cacth & throw the ball?
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Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
Once the ball is hit I mean.
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Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
Proudly wears his "I am not that Crazy" badge.
If anyone voted anything besides #1 or #5 they need to be marked and tagged so we can test the Kool-Aid bowl(s) they are drinking out of.
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Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
Here is an article from Stark also
Basically saying that the Giants make sense, but isn’t sure what to think of it.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3742826&name=stark_jayson
Playoffs!!??
Question:
If we sign CC, does his and Zito’s contracts pretty much rule out keeping Cain beyond his current deal or Lincecum beyond his arb years?
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No, I do not think so.
Especially if payroll expands beyond the 90m arbitrary limit many of us have assumed.
GRM actually did a good breakdown of this.
If CC signs here and actually plays well, it will be fine. What we cannot afford is CC to sign and then become an albatross. A team cannot afford two of those.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
slightly O.T.
I am crazy enough to risk 3yr 90M total or 2 yr in the lower 60’s M. Mainly if he turns into Albatross II I think the team might be able to survive that. If he keeps on being CC then you offer worst case is you offer Arbitration.
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Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
he's "open" to an extension
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 4, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Preferably Longoria style, but Pedroia would be fantastic as well.
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Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Don't think so
If CC is hear, Cain is gone. We will get Prince or something like Prince for him.
1 You better get more then Fielder for him. Yes he swings a mean stick but this still an N.L. team. That means no D.H. to hide a1 dimensional player in. And because you can’t hide the flawed dimensions you going to get burned by those lesser dimensions.
2) If your Gm is not named Riccaddi or Sabean finding a productive first base man is not that tough. Even if you Gm is named either of those 2 that is still too high of a premium to pay when you look at position scarcity.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
Cain becomes a free agent in 2012, meaning we’d have to pay him a FA contract for 2 years that Zito and CC are on the books (Plus some 2 of Timmy’s arb years.) If he’s as good as we all hope and want him to be, he’ll cost over $10M per season.
Lincecum’s arb years are from 2011-2013 (and probably be in the 8 figure range), so he’d become a free agent (assuming we keep him all those years, thru a buy out or arbitration) at the same time as Zito. Obviously, if we could extend Timmy beyond that before that point, it would be better.
We can buy Zito’s 2014 season out for $3,000,000.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 4, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
I personally enjoyed reading the banter between the users in the comment section.
nooger Dec 4, 2008 11:33:09 AM
john the dumbo——I take great comfort in knowing that anything you write is silly, non-sensical, childish, ill-advised, shallow, biased, ridiculous, and indicative of your entire existence—pathetic. Now go get your shoe shine box.
How come we don’t talk to each other like that. Oh yeah, we ain’t Yankee fans.
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by WilliamVanLandingham on Dec 4, 2008 1:01 PM PST reply actions
We can be pretty mean to each other at times, but we’re at least clever about it.
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Maybe you wilL!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 4, 2008 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
How come we don’t talk to each other like that.
eh, way too much typing.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Yup, lists are only good in threes.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Because none of us even own a shoe shine box.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 4, 2008 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
looking at pictures
this one site does it all. prospect news; kittens; dinosaurs; books and movies; all it needs is more Elisha Cuthbert like other sports sites have.
adopter/sponsor of "Go, Antoan" Richardson
It’s still hard to believe that Steve Avery said those horrible words. He actually seemed like a pretty nice kid from his days with the Braves.
by biff pocoroba on Dec 4, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
That particular braves team is Godlike in MY mind.
WHAT words?
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Dec 4, 2008 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno.
Take the money you were gonna use to sign him and sign Lincecum to an extension, that’s my theory…
There is a probem with that theory
Lincecum doesn’t want to sign an extension.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
he would if it was CC Sabathia money.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 4, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Incorrect
Lincecum’s agent recently said that he was amenable to an extension now.
The Cy Young upped the ante on what they can get in arbitration, meaning that an extension, even when saving the team money in the long term, is too much money for the player to turn down in case he should come down with an injury or poor performance.
It will probably be in the $30-40M range, depending on how many years of his free agency he is willing to forgo, based on what Pedroia signed, and what Ryan Howard got in his arbitration hearing. That’s too much money to pass up now and risk injury or otherwise.
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"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
"Woo hoo" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Dec 4, 2008 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
It's my understanding
That the claims of “being open to an extension” are greatly exaggerated.
Sure, he’s open to something – but as of yet there is no evidence to suggest he is actively engaging the Giants in talks.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't vote
I think you have to beat out Zito’s contract, so 6 years at $130M is probably what it would take.
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"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
"Woo hoo" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Dec 4, 2008 2:43 PM PST reply actions
Shea: Unit Interested in SF, CC hearts SF
the Giants remain interested in CC Sabathia and believe they’re his first choice – which could go a long way in maintaining their desire to pursue the Vallejo native
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 4, 2008 2:53 PM PST reply actions
I hope SF is interested in Unit.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Many residents of SF are interested in Units.
It’s one of things that makes the city unique.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Count me in for kilometers.
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil.
Metric?! We don’t need your kind around here! I’m getting a restraining order that will force you to stay a mile away at all times!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 4, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
This guy?
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil.
Enh, even in Salt Lake City and Boise, I doubt you’d have trouble finding people interested in Units.
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…rumor has it that some women enjoy them as well.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
Well, I live in Oakland, home of more lesbians per capita than any other major city in America, so not so much here.
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I’m not sure what the criteria was for “major city,” but Santa Cruz probably wouldn’t qualify. Nor would Northampton, MA, which might also surpass Oakland.
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I would have thought SF topped Oakland.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
Found a link
http://www.gaydemographics.org/USA/2000Census_Gay_incorporated.htm
In Oakland, 1.81% of couples living together are male couples and 2.42% are female couples. In San Francisco, it’s 5.08% male and 1.83% female.
And I was right about Northampton – 5.88% female couples there. 14.24% in Provincetown! And somehow, it’s almost 5% in Decatur, Georgia!
Holy random conversation, Batman! But I’ve always been a nerd for demographics.
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SF doesn't really top.
I'm adopting a true Giant and an awe-inspring gamer: tk. "Atta babe."
by Mayor of 311 on Dec 5, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
RJ + CC =
Tallest AND fattest pitchers (players?) in MLB.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
which is really just a reflection of California's natural diversity
we have:
the tallest tree
the oldest tree
the most massive tree (and indeed the most massive living thing)
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 4, 2008 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t see “ugliest” in there, Roto.
My plans for 2009: getting married and attending Tim Lincecum Bobblehead Day.
The groug photo would be incredible as well.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 4, 2008 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
+ Sanchez
AND dirtiest
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 4, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
all i'm sayin
big fella’d look good in cream.
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 4, 2008 2:55 PM PST reply actions
that’s sick
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 4, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Jesus
The opportunity for gayjokes is overloading my computer.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
QUICK WHERE’S THAT PICTURE OF PRINCE FIELDER WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE BUKKAKE
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
hahahaha
I wanna see that Randy Johnson in cream. Suppressing urge to ’shop his baseball card where he looks like a tall little girl.
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 4, 2008 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
funny line from Keith Law's ESPN.com chat
Ray (San Francisco, CA): C.C. Sabathia’s wife said that here number one choice for C.C. would be to play for the Giants. How much of an impact does this have honestly?
Keith Law: $40 million buys a lot of ice.
When CC takes a contract...
wouldn’t he be worth more than the city of Vallejo? Which would make him the King of Vallejo or him renaming it Sabathia City.
Sign Sabathia
Sign the player/family that wants to make a career in The City. Trade for the middle of the order bat needed even though it will cost some young talent.
What would 2011 look like if this deal went sour
we’re looking at the possibility that we might have traded cain as a result, lincecum could be walking and us not having enough money to resign him, and zito and cc as back end starters? that would leave us with madbum and timmmy 2 as our aces in possibly their first years. with all of our supposed future potential thats a big gamble to take. we need to have some flexibility when our “future” arrives
Garlic fries 08
by operation carrot on Dec 4, 2008 3:36 PM PST reply actions
Wow, I fucking love Bobby Howry at 1 year $2.75 million. That’s the minor league contract of major-league contracts, is $2.75 million really that much more than free? For a guy who has been lights out in the past. I wasn’t enthused about him because I thought a three-year contract would be too risky but his career numbers indicate that he is a good bet to be worth a lot more than that deal.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
Going back to the Burrell Post...
Sandoval Renteria Frandsen and Burrell would make the worst defensive infield of all time? There was this team I saw play one time, I can’t remember which team it was, but they had Jose Castillo, Manny Burriss, Eugenio Velez, and John Bowker all playing infield…
I bring you Montanez, Derrel Thomas, Chris Spier and Steve Ontiverious (75 Giants inf). Spier was good (in my opinion) the rest … well they were there.
Or the 1980 Giants
Mike Ivie, Rennie Stennett, LeMaster, and Darrell Evans.
Perhaps you would prefer Darrell Evans, Brad Wellman LeMaster and Tom O’Malley of the 1983 Giants?
Yes we have been down that pit of soul crushing despair bear trap rut road before. Good times.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
The idea of having C.C in orange and black is great. The reality of it is just awful. Not to say that he’s not worth the money, he’s arguably one of the top 3 pitchers in the MLB at present. But honestly, what would signing C.C do for our team? I honestly don’t think that the Giants are going to field a playoff worthy team for years to come and that when that day comes, it will be because of our developing farm and key signings. With C.C around, we’ll have the best rotation in the league but that also puts Lincecum at #2. Now what kind of message are we gonna send to the kid who just said he’s willing to go “long term?” Lincecum is our future and we should focus on making him the face of the franchise. And again, even if we sign Sabathia, what part of our order is gonna score runs to win games? We’ll pitch our opponents to death only to lose cause of the bullpen and lack of run production. C.C’s a great ballplayer but he’s a wrong fit for the Giants. ESPECIALLY because of the Barry Zito contract.
-D
CC no no
Agreed. Great pitcher, wrong fit. Unless we can talk anyone into taking Barry and part of his contract, we cannot afford a $120M pitcher for 5-6 years. $120M for Texiera — that’s an idea I can live with.
Don't believe everything you think.
Regarding the message to Tim, I think you’ve got it wrong. My guess is he would love a CC signing because:
- Good starters like being on a staff with other good starters. It doesn’t put the weight of the world on one guy’s shoulders and the friendly rivalry can be awesome. (Ask Johnson and Schilling if they liked being on the same staff.)
- Tim’s too much of a competitive stud to be intimidated by anyone’s presence.
- It would demonstrate the team’ commitment to being good.
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Nowhere else to put this, but, man, the Raiders are even worse than I thought they were.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
Dennis Green disagrees
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
eh
I thought they were pretty bad. They have yet to disappoint.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
Fake poll
This site doesn’t have 800+ visitors
my cousin and i got noah lowry's autograph after he came out of a porta-potty. he was nice about it.
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Those numbers look really respectable at first sight.
But considering Xanthan IS the internet, it seems like it should be higher still.
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 5, 2008 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
Average Visit Length 5:37
Guys, don’t forget that every time a woman visits this site
the average goes down a bit, so this number is deceiving.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
And it is kind of cold on this blog…
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 5, 2008 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
Never underestimate the duplicate groug voting bloc. That’s gotta be about 700 votes right there.
by rightcenterfielder on Dec 4, 2008 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
Got to give Cashman credit
Yankees GM Brian Cashman to meet with Sabathia on Saturday prior to winter meetings. Wants to kick the tires in person and get a feel for Sabathia and his intentions. Nothing like letting the client know who much you are interested and care.
Sabathia may sign as soon as next week with a team.
Oh , certainmente , Papi.
And it’ll most probably be a team who much are interested and care.
What , were you drunk?
Maybe you’ve been hanging late at night with women of Asian persuasian! lol
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Dec 4, 2008 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Apparently, we in the mix
Accoring to John Shea
Speaking of Bay Area pitchers, the Giants remain interested in CC Sabathia and believe they’re his first choice – which could go a long way in maintaining their desire to pursue the Vallejo native, who has a $140 million offer on the table from the Yankees.
The Giants haven’t offered a contract to Sabathia. For now, they’re closely monitoring the Sabathia sweepstakes, exercising patience and possibly preparing to strike later rather than sooner, similar to how they obtained Barry Zito two years ago.
Insert snakrky Zito comment here
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Carmelballin sez
Throw out that kind of money……….??
From what it sounds like, we’re still in the running for Sabathia offering him a little over 100 million. In adidtion, there have been rumors that Pat Burrell wants to come to the Bay Area.
Honestly, I wouldn’t mind having both of these guys, but do you think that the Giants will throw out that kind of cash, esspecially right after signing Renteria.
Gotta love that baseball doesn’t have a salary cap, but how much will be willing to spend?
How about trading for Peavy?
If Sabean thinks Sabathia is too expensive then the Giants should consider Jake Peavy. The cost-cutting Padres are having difficulty finding a trading partner for the former Cy Yound award winner. Peavy is owed “only” $60M over the next four seasons. Padres would be looking for low-cost players in return.
Sabean then can negotiate will any of the FA hitters for the bat the team needs. There might even be an overall cash savings of having Peavy plus FA hitter rather than signing FA Sabathia and trading for the hitter. Who knows maybe even be able to keep the second round pick in the draft.
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