Renteria signing is a done deal
by oldrips on Dec 4, 2008 9:12 AM PST
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According to Ken Rosenthal, Renteria has signed for 2 years, $18.5M.
I guess this means that:
a) Sabean has given up on the speed & defense mantra. We will have minus defenders at all infield positions and at CF, especially if the rumored Cantu-for-Sanchez deal happens. Look for the pitchers ERAs to take a jump upwards.
b) the Giants are probably out of the Teixera market (not that they were ever in it).
c) the Giants are probably out of the CC market (unless he's willing to accept less than the $140M that the Yankees have offered, but more than the $100M that the Brewers have offered.) Even at those numbers, not sure if the Giants can afford him.
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seems like the Giants are still in the running for CC
All these rumors linking CC to the G’s have come out after the Renteria deal was basically done.
I’m okay with this deal. There’s chance Renteria will bounce back and if he doesn’t, it’s not like we’ll have him for 4 years. If he does bounce back, hitting for a decent average with some power and playing acceptable defense, he should be a good upgrade over what we had last year or Burriss and his single digit slugging %.
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
by shikantaza on Dec 4, 2008 9:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
I’m not very excited about Renteria, but I like Manny Burriss at short a lot more as plan B.
by oldjacket on Dec 4, 2008 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why are they out of the CC running?
9 million per year does nothing in making a run at CC. If Burrell signs, then they are arguably out of it, but I think the signing of some bigger-named guys (albeit old, bigger-name) is part of wooing CC.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 4, 2008 9:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna say, it’s not like signing Renteria will strap the cash reserves.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 4, 2008 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as it's CC
and not Man Ram.
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by hairball on Dec 4, 2008 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That...
can not be said enough times.
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by nvsfg on Dec 4, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if the Giants
can’t afford CC/Tex + Renteria for $30M, they can’t afford CC/Tex for $20 either.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Dec 4, 2008 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This signing might make them more likely to sign CC
because with Reteria and the two new relievers, the Giants might start thinking they can compete and that CC would put them into the playoffs.
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
by shikantaza on Dec 4, 2008 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesnt it limit the possibility of CC + Burrell/Dunn though? Obviously CC would increase their the liklihood of trading for a hitter, but still…
by sam23 on Dec 4, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Burrell, I’d assume would come on a 1-2 yr deal so we can just backload the contract to next year since we have about 28 million coming off the books. Ditto with Sabathia
by superk1ng on Dec 4, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
28 mil off the books? Is a piece of that Bonds money? Roberts, Winn, Bengie……what else?
by sam23 on Dec 4, 2008 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not including the bonds money
Roberts(6.5M)
Winn(8.25M)
Molina(6M)
Howry(2.75M)
Lowry(4.5M) – If we don’t pick up his option
That’s 28M exactly
by superk1ng on Dec 4, 2008 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Creative!
Now THAT’S creative accounting!
by sharksrog on Dec 4, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How so ?
Looks pretty legit to me.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
You’re right. It IS legit. I misread the not picking up Lowry’s option as HOWRY’S option and thought he was double counting. It was actually just a case where I wasn’t keeping up!
What in the world were the Giants thinking after the 2006 season when they invested $146 million in Barry Zito and Dave Roberts?
As Superk1ng pointed out, at least Dave will be off the books (although I can’t imagine the Giants not wanting to re-sign him).
And Barry himself will be off the books in only half a decade. The only beauty in that is that Barry comes off the books at the same exact time as Tim Lincecum becomes potentially eligible for free agency.
by sharksrog on Dec 4, 2008 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Renteria
So, we’re looking at something like .287, 6 homers, 5 steals and subpar defense for our nine million bucks? How is this a good signing again?
by biff pocoroba on Dec 4, 2008 9:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
because
Buriss at short is a much better plan B than Bocock at short.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 4, 2008 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
''Sorry I blocked your Bocock.''
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Dec 4, 2008 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This, coming from the guy who laughed — guffawed, even — at my Troy Glaus fantasy pick this year. Admit it, you were locked in a closet and tortured by a formerly productive All-Star in his mid-30s coming off a down year, weren’t you? WEREN’T YOU?
by Grant on Dec 4, 2008 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No stars, just talent!
My team had only young and eager superstars like Jose Bautista, Aaron Boone, Jose Castilla, and Mark Kotsay. No room for aging vets like Glaus.
by biff pocoroba on Dec 4, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
because of the production that it replaces.
by oldjacket on Dec 4, 2008 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Replaced Production Theory - Vizquel
I agree that Edgar will put up better numbers than were seen out of the Omar/ Bocock/ Burriss troika, but still with this signing, I think that Broadway’s dark tonight
by biff pocoroba on Dec 4, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant Burriss/Bocock/Ochoaesque player for next year.
by oldjacket on Dec 4, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Toss in Joe Castle in that mess.
Seriously! If Von Pickoff and restrain himself for useful periods of time Frandsen could see a decent amount of time at third, along with Pablo, instead of being the back SS.
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by daveinexile on Dec 4, 2008 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
because
Burriss is not even close to as good as Renteria and the Giants only slightly overpaid him.
If you’re asking why they’re going to spend that much on free agency instead of scouting and PD, then I’m not sure. I guess they still wanted to put an ok product on the field so that fans start to come back.
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by baetown415 on Dec 4, 2008 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because it’s better than what we’ve got.
by Natto on Dec 4, 2008 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
$18.5?!?!?!?!?
I thought it was $18!!! Goddammit, there goes the budget!
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 4, 2008 9:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
2 years/18.5 million = DO NOT WANT
2 years/$18 million FTW!
Ralph Barbieri, heal thyself.
by ThrillisGone22 on Dec 5, 2008 1:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mixed Blessings
I am really pleased with the Affeldt signing. With Renteria and Howry, I am fine with the length of the contracts, but not expecting great production. I am fine with folding in some short term veterans to try to make the team better in the short term while not compromising any picks or the farm system talent. So far, this is a much better use of the free agent market than Sabean and Magowan have employed in the past, where they signed longer deals and squandered draft picks. I think the goal of trying to be decent next year is fine because it doesn’t impede being a really good to great team in a couple years. It seems like they actually have a clue about what they are doing.
by out machine on Dec 4, 2008 10:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully..
he can revert back to his NL days.
His 2007 stats: 322/.390/.470
by krazybalr on Dec 4, 2008 10:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good Signing
Not much $$, and only two years.
BTW, it Burris does win the three-for-all second base battle, I would think he would be a plus defender at that position.
by tyrannoman on Dec 4, 2008 10:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Burris = +
That’s what I was going to say.
by sfgfan on Dec 4, 2008 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with what Grant said on his front page piece. Burriss needs more seasoning. I don’t know where you buy YOUR shortstops, but … nah, I can’t even finish that joke.
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
by Skaldheim on Dec 4, 2008 10:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You know, whenever I hear people saying a player needs more seasoning, I can’t help but imagining tossing then into a stew pot and pouring some paprika over them.
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by jcb9 on Dec 4, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what actually happens
The unseen side of a minor league ballplayer’s life.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 4, 2008 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The nice thing about these short term contracts is if the players do perform well, they could easily turn into draft picks when their contracts are up. Say Renteria hits like he did in the NL before – he’s a Type A in two years. Howry and Affeldt pitch like they did – Type A. These are smart moves for that reason alone, we’re not giving up picks but we may be developing some picks.
And while infield defense is definitely important… with our strikeout pitchers, is it gonna make a HUGE difference? It’s not like we have brandon webb making every hitter hit something at an infielder. Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, all three are great strikeout pitchers, and a lot of their outs come via fly ball anyway. Sure, infield defense is important, but it’s less important with these pitchers. The only person who might suffer is zito, but meh, he would suffer either way
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by theghostofjasonellison on Dec 4, 2008 10:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like
I like the idea of the potential draft choices. Should help make any of those players more tradeable too as long as they perform well. In the case or Renteria in particular, that could be important if Burriss matures in the next year or so.
As for the ground ball situation, Lincecum is a ground ball pitcher (although to nowhere near the extent Brandon Webb is), while Cain is a fly ball pitcher and Sanchez has been evolving from a fly ball pitcher to a ground ball pitcher. Barry Zito is a pronounced fly ball pitcher (and some of them don’t even come back).
by sharksrog on Dec 4, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
some? I seem to remember most of them finding homes in the seats or nestling down in the gaps.
by tyrannoman on Dec 4, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You only get draft choices if you offer them arbitration…………..not going to happen.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Dec 4, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If they have good seasons, I don’t see why not. Coming off of good years, they would be looking to cash in with longer contracts. If they accept arbitration, then you have them for one year at a reasonable price.
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by marcello on Dec 4, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have probably posted this 7 times in Renteria threads but
here is my summary:
Renteria kinda sucks. However, he’s almost certainly better than Burriss. More to the point, at least for 2009 Renteria has much much more UPSIDE. His defense could bounce back. His bat will probably bounce back. If he’s old and terrible, we can just bring Burriss up again.
The salary is pretty much market value for an average vet shortstop. Now, he was not average last year, but I think he is likely to have some in the tank left. The key is that the deal is only 2 years, and no picks lost which means if he is f-o-r-k done, then we haven’t really sacrificed anything.
What is also important is this is neither a “WIN NOW AT ALL COSTS” move (ca. Bonds years) and not a “FIRE SALE PLAY THE KIDS” move, but it’s a “IMPROVE THE SHORT TERM WITH NO COST TO THE LONG TERM”, which is exactly what I think the Giants should be doing. I am not a fan of “tear it down and rebuild” right now, because such an effort essentially wastes the cheap years of Lincecum and Cain.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Dec 4, 2008 10:13 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Perfectly stated.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 4, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Could use more caps.
Seriously, I agree. The next move will be the one that
defines the offseason (Burrell or CC—thumbs up IMO,
Cantu, Blake, etc—thumbs down).
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Dec 4, 2008 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
It is all about what happens next. Make or break time.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 4, 2008 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks I had lots of practice
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Dec 4, 2008 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well said, zenbitz
does it piss you off when people call you zenbits? I’d be mad as hell.
;)
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by Giants_Junkie on Dec 4, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
pretty much nothing
that happens on the internet pisses me off. Hell, I don’t even get pissed off by email spam.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Dec 4, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by marcello on Dec 4, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Dec 4, 2008 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well said
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said ! Thread Over
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by nvsfg on Dec 4, 2008 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree. Also, it’s a “LOOK FOR GOOD VALUES” move, in that it’s a pretty conservatively-sized deal for a guy whose last five years of NL hitting qualify as elite for a shortstop (and yes, league does make a meaningful difference). Renteria is probably undervalued, much like the other two guys we’ve signed.
There is real intelligence involved in these signings. Awesome to see.
by onlxn on Dec 4, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you say 'awesome'
I say “fucking bizzare”
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Dec 4, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First choice: a good player, like Hardy or Furcal.
Second choice: a young player with the potential to become good one day, like Zobrist or Brandon Wood.
Third choice: a mediocre veteran who doesn’t screw things up long-term.
Fourth choice: Burriss.
Maybe third choice is the best we could do.
by Evan on Dec 4, 2008 11:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I much prefer Renteria for 2 years than Furcal for 4.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
me, too. If the A’s win that gamble, good luck to them. Shortstop is such a demanding position, I can’t imagine a back injury wouldn’t have reprecussions down the road. Poor Furcal will probably have a skull fracture in the fourth game of Spring Training, but the A’s medical staff will diagnose it as a sprained eyelid, or something.
by tyrannoman on Dec 4, 2008 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“Mediocre” is a simplistic way to sum up Renteria, if not inaccurate. To pick one stat, his WARP3s for the last seven years: 6.0, 10.0, 4.5, 3.4, 6.2, 7.8, 4.0. That’s three years of decent production, two years of actively good production and two years of elite, All-Star-level production. And the two weakest seasons are the ones he spent in the American League. On average, he’s been a seven-win player his last five seasons in the NL. Only Winn and Molina were near seven-win lineup members for us last year.
I’m not suggesting that we throw out the American League data entirely. And Renteria’s on the wrong side of 30, so it’s reasonable to expect some regression. But he has not been a mediocre player over the course of his career. This is a good player.
by onlxn on Dec 4, 2008 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t throw out the AL data entirely, you just adjust it. A certain level of performance in the AL is about half a win more valuable than the identical numbers in the NL (though that gap is probably narrowing).
I’m going to trust Dave Cameron’s analysis. We’re paying basically market rate for a player who will almost certainly prevent the gruesome shortstop embarrassment we endured in 2008 but won’t do a lot to push us toward contention. Which is fine, but I had hoped for more.
by Evan on Dec 4, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think people are making too big a deal about Renteria’s fielding, which is harder to measure, and not enough of a deal about Renteria’s hitting, which is quite easy to measure. As Dave Cameron points out, Renteria’s bat still works… he’s just coming off of a low-BABIP season. Renteria’s fielding was bad last year, but not awful — to presume that he’ll be a downright awful fielder this year is to presume that he’ll take another big step down. That’s a good bet, but not a sure bet.
Renteria is very likely to provide league-average production at shortstop, and a decent bet to provide more than that… he provided significantly more than that as recently as 2007. He’s not without his warts, but he’s a great signing at the price, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he helped to push us towards contention, whether or not we make it here.
by onlxn on Dec 4, 2008 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Third choice - at best!
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Dec 4, 2008 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What is this 3rd year option i read of? is it club or player?
by Giant Voodoo on Dec 4, 2008 12:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The cost for experience is not cheap. Renteria will earn $9 million in 2009 and $9 million in 2010. The team option includes a $500,000 buyout. If Renteria is traded anytime during the contract, he can void the option and collect the buyout.
by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the team has a 3rd year option @ 9m w/ a 500,000 dollar buyout then this deal just got even better.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice point
A $500,000 option buyout is indeed a cheap one. That might become important should the Giants decide to trade Edgar later.
by sharksrog on Dec 4, 2008 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Edgar Renteria to a two-year, $18.5 million contract that includes a third-year option for $9.5 million.
by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow! This is actually a pretty fantastic deal. Three moderately cheap years if he bounces back, two moderately cheap years if he doesn’t. Perfectly designed.
by onlxn on Dec 4, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I for one welcome over new alien body snatching G.M. Over Lord.
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by daveinexile on Dec 4, 2008 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am intrigued by your ideas, and wish to subscribe to your newsletter!
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Dec 4, 2008 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 4, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m okay with this
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 4, 2008 1:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good
Time for middle of the order bat and CC.
by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2008 2:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
eh, just sign CC and call them one in the same. He can play 3B when he’s not pitching.
by tyrannoman on Dec 4, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MY FAVORITE PART OF THE OFFSEASON
bad photoshops by mlb interns
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 4, 2008 4:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I doubt that that is a real picture, due to the small amount of time that Renteria has been a Giant, as well as due to the pixels that I can plainly see.
by rotorueter on Dec 4, 2008 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The PShopping that makes him a Giant may be bad, but the shopping that makes him look young is very well done.
Is that an old picture or does he look pretty young?
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Dec 4, 2008 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not actually that old at 33.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 4, 2008 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They should hire me. I’d probably have similar results, but I could use the money.
by Natto on Dec 4, 2008 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How about a new line of Nattowear for the spring?
Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.
by SF Pete on Dec 4, 2008 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Contract Terms
Per AP:
Renteria receives a $2 million signing bonus, $7 million next year and $9 million in 2010. The Giants have a $9.5 million option for 2011 with a $500,000 buyout. If he is traded before the end of the 2010 season, Renteria can void the team option and still receive the buyout.Another interesting tidbit:
With the acquisition of Renteria, Sabean now might look to trade talented prospect Emmanuel Burriss—or give Burriss more time to develop and perhaps even use him at second base. The 23-year-old Burriss, selected by San Francisco in the first round of the 2006 draft, played 95 games last season as a rookie.Sabean said he and his staff would discuss not only Burriss but also infielders Kevin Frandsen and Eugenio Velez during next week’s winter meetings in Las Vegas.
by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2008 11:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think Sabean wouldn't hesitate for a moment
to unload one or two of those guys in a package with Sanchez next week for a corner power bat. He’s sending mixed messages: the AP plainly says that Sabean and his staff will be talking about the availability of these three guys at the Winter Meetings next week, and then Schulman and Baggarly tell us that Sabean said he is satisfied to let Burriss/Frandsen and Ishikawa play their way into the regular lineup in Spring Training. The only common interpretation here is that Sabean is inflating their value for other GMs to consider as he tries to craft a large package (perhaps to include Winn, Molina, or Sanchez) for a power 1B or 3B.
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by Buck Henry on Dec 5, 2008 6:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Note to Duke O'Nuke 'Em.
Increase alcohol, blow and whores Executive Entertainment budget for the following week. They seem to be trying to line up extra tires to kick. Thus could prove far more costly in medical bills from feet injuries alone to the team then Executive Entertainment increase.
Just another day in Giants Fandom.
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by daveinexile on Dec 5, 2008 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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