Renteria, Giants closing in on a deal.
"The agent for shortstop Edgar Renteria said Wednesday that he's making significant progress toward a deal that would bring the five-time All-Star to the San Francisco Giants.
"We're working on it and we're certainly much, much closer, but nothing is done," said agent Barry Meister.
A source told ESPN.com that Renteria is looking at a contract in the two-year, $18 million range with San Francisco. WFAN radio in New York reported 10 days ago that Renteria had agreed to a deal with the Giants. But Meister had characterized that initial report as untrue. "
As long as it stays @ the rumored 2/18, I'll be happy.
Editor's note: Me too.
about 3 years ago
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Whither Emmanuel
There was an earlier version of the article which floated the idea that the Giants might trade Burriss, since a Renteria signing makes him semi-expendable. I sure hope not.
My plans for 2009: getting married and attending Tim Lincecum Bobblehead Day.
I hope they at least keep Burriss and let him do the second base battle to death vs. Frandsen and Velez.
/deer head
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If only we could construct a 2nd baseman with the grittiness of Velez, power of Burris, and defense of Frandsen!
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 3, 2008 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t see how Renteria makes Burriss expendable.
The team still needs to man about 4400 innings between 2nd, S.S & 3rd . Take out 1100 innings for Renertira and add about 300 innings for back up catcher still need 3600 innings from Sandoval, Frandsen, Velez and Burriss. That sounds about right considering none of those 4 have played a full MLB season before.
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Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
not only that but
exactly what are you going to get for Burriss?
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I think that was Baggs speculating
that Burriss would somehow be available in trade talks as another trade piece should we sign Renteria. I don’t think anyone would think Burriss all that valuable at present via trade to be honest. Nor would we trade him anyway…
I guess we aren’t getting Furcal.
neither are we getting his bad back!
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 3, 2008 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Welll..
3B is open still.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Apparently Sabean pulled a Sarah Palin on Furcal and his agent and “Thanks, but no thanks”’ to the fourth year offer.
You mean
He was all about it until it became a national mockery, and then insisted that he was opposed to it from the start?
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 8:37 AM PST up reply actions
Meh…seems unnecessary. Not a horrible deal by any means. It just seems kind of pointless at this phase in a rebuild.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 3, 2008 12:08 PM PST reply actions
The only reason that this signing disappoints me is that it probably precludes us from signing Dunn or Burrell to play 1B.
We could probably do OK with Renteria at SS and Ishikawa at 1B, or with Burriss at SS and Dunn/Burrell at 1st——but having both of the iron gloves might be too much to bear.
I do not think Dunn is the answer…Too many of his balls died at the warning track when the Giants played the DBacks.
If he is going to take a one year deal to get a big contract next off season, SF is NOT the place to do it…and I think he knows it.
The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.
We need to stop looking at Dunn’s ~100 PA at ATT park as evidence of anything. It means nothing. That said, I’m not interested in Dunn, but it has nothing to do with those 100 PA.
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It’s evidence that he would be averse to playing his home games here…
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Then you could probably say that about most hitters.
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Neglectful father of David Quinowski
+1 as well
except for the part about not being interested in Dunn… if the price was right, I’d go for it. That said, I don’t think the price will end up being right, so basically i’m not in favor either.
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by Smoke on the Water on Dec 3, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps Sabean could do that awful Cantu trade, sign Rentaria and Dunn/Burrell, and play Velez at second base. The comedy value might sell some tickets.
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Bengie and Pablo running around trying to eat Velez and Burriss
The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.
Velez:
“Manny, I don’t have to run faster than them – I just have to run faster than YOU!”
by FairweatherFan on Dec 3, 2008 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, Sabean WILL probably sign Burrell by the end of the Winter Meetings
to a 2/$22 million deal to play first base. Paying $20 million a year to upgrade two infield positions offensively without long-term commitments that block our minor leaguers at those positions doesn’t bother me at all.
Yes, Burrell would be an iron glove even with a lot of help from JT Snow, but then 25-30 bombs and 95 RBIs would be nice also. And Renteria will hit for average and not disgrace himself at SS. We’ll still get to see Burriss and Frandsen at 2B.
But that’s when the fun will begin. If he gets those two aboard for a reasonable cost, Sabean may then think about 3B, Molina, Rowand, and even CC.
Matt Cain's drinking buddy
I hate to be snarky here
(aw, who am I kidding)
But:
a) “probably” – I think this is extremely unlikely, especially at 2/$22. First off, Sabean has never, ever, ever, never made a move, or even had credible rumors to the effect of signing a good hit no field 1B. I don’t think he believes 1B is an offense-first position. Second, I don’t think Burrell really wants to play 1B. Third, I think he will go for somewhat more than 2/$22. Probably 3/$38.
b) how do you know he’s a butcher at 1B? He hasn’t played there in years, and never played there much.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
Zen, I understand your points. However,
if Sabean was truly against having a good-hit, no-field 1B, then why does he even consider having Pablo at first?
Second, Burrrell wants to play here by some accounts. You have a point about the money, but I’m not aware of other teams beating down his doors at this point. If the Giants stepped forward with 2/$22 million or even 2/$24 million, would he blow that off in this market?
Lastly, I’m not sure he is a butcher at 1B, but others apparently feel that he is. Frankly, if he makes the basic plays and slugs 25-30 bombs and drives in 95, I’m fine with that for $12 million per, even for 3 years as Angel may not be ready until 2011 or 2012.
Matt Cain's drinking buddy
Easy!
Because Pablo Sandoval is NOT a good-hit 1B (alhough I will conceed that his UPSIDE might be good). He might even be a “eh-hit good field” 1B in the model of Snow. (I am assuming since he can play 3B some, he’s a half decent 1B.
He played all of 50 games at 1B with PHI at age 23 when he was replaced by Travis Lee. He also only played 100 games at 1B (out of 165!) in the minors.
I don’t see how anyone could conclude ANYTHING about his 1B defense from that. I wouldn’t even trust memories from 2000 about what a butcher he was.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
Where does Ryan Klesko fit into the defensive minded 1st basemen discussion?
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
doesn't matter - he can't hit
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
i'm down with burrell
his career numbers at ATT are great:
.312 .472 .538 and 30 dongs vs 26 strikeouts in 90-something ABs. the strikeouts aren’t great, but the power number (especially for ATT) are remarkable.
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 3, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
um scratch that
make that 30 walks vs 26 strikeouts. 5 dongs. 1.010 OPS. 19 Runs 29 rbi!
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 3, 2008 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
I kind of disagree
this signing ONLY really makes sense if we get another hitter. I think we can write off Dunn (since he hates SF and is not likely to play 1B). That leaves Tex (still!), Burrell (very maybe) or other (trade Winn).
Another move would be to trade Molina for a 3B, put the Pablito at C, and stick with Ishikawa at 1B.
I am trying to come up with a rational plan that gets us a big hitting corner OF… but it seems like you would have to both trade Winn and hate the Nate.
*Note: Where I say “trade Winn” you could substitute “trade rowand” but that is not only less likely, but going to bring back less.
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if that's snark
YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
feeling teste?
yeah, I meant to do that…
Giants: World Series Champions...in 2011.
by Giants_Junkie on Dec 3, 2008 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
I Would Not Want Dunn
AT&T destroys Adam’s value. The potential LF to 1B conversion to target is Pat Burrell and he has been linked to the Giants in some rumors. I do not at all see how signing Renteria makes it less likely to sign Burrell. We still would money to spend and a 40 Man Roster Spot Open for Pat.
by giantsrainman on Dec 3, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Last year Omar Vizquel, Emmanuel Burriss, Ivan Ochoa and Brian Bocock all spent time at shortstop for manager Bruce Bochy. San Francisco’s shortstop contingent ranked 29th among the 30 major league teams with a .576 on base-slugging percentage. Only the Baltimore Orioles’ shortstops were worse.Is anybody else utterly amazed that there was an MLB team that actually got less offense out of the SS position last year?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 3, 2008 12:24 PM PST reply actions
Yes and no, the Orioles never really had a shortstop the entire year and had to play guys like: Juan Castro (who?), Freddie Bynum, Alex Cintron, and Brandon Fahey. At least the Giants had some guys who could be plus-defenders at short.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
and I was actually hoping the Giants would try to acquire Cintron last year after Vizquel got hurt to allow Bocock and Burriss to continue their normal path through the minors.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 3, 2008 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
I was until I heard it was the Orioles. They WISH they had our SS situation.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 3, 2008 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Good Signing
If we do get him. So it’s official Sayonara Omar. Hope you come and coach for us some time.
Anyways, what’s next?
Bob Howry?
CC?
Bye Bye to Sanchez/Lowry?
Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
Schulman is reporting that Howry has signed re: Merope’s fanshot
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2008/12/3/678932/howry
Adopted Giant Brian Wilson: One of the few reasons to watch this year.
WoW.
Our bullpen looks set now.
Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
Also
It has less resemblance to a pile of gasoline soaked rags marked “fire extinguisher, use at your own risk”.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 3, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Apologies for the separate Howry fanpost.
Clearly I hadn’t read this whole thread before posting my fanposts about Howry and the rumored SFG-FLA deal (Sanchez-Cantu). But man, you guys were quick to delete those…a tight ship ya run.
Giants: World Series Champions...in 2011.
by Giants_Junkie on Dec 3, 2008 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
I think it had more to do with the fanshots about those particular subjects, rather than anything mentioned in this thread
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Uh, yup.
I am simply not in the habit of checking “fanshots” that regularly. Lesson learned…and, honestly, what’s the difference? Can’t we paste quotes/ links/ photos into a fan post?
Giants: World Series Champions...in 2011.
by Giants_Junkie on Dec 3, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t see why Lowry would be going anywhere. His injuries preclude trading him, and the team doesn’t really gain anything by releasing him at this point, since they’d still have to pay him. Even if he never pitches again, having him sitting on the 60-day DL is no better for the team than dumping him.
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Calm Down. Just throwing it out there. Geezus.
Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
I’m not calm? Wow. Thanks for letting me know.
Just seemed like an odd speculation and I was wondering where you were coming from.
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You’ve always been known around here for your shouting and ad-hominem attacks, jcb9. I’m glad someone is finally calling you out for it.
/sarcasm
It was even caught on video, about five minutes into this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5H2ahQ8-XI
DAMN ME! DAMN ME STRAIGHT TO HELL!
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Link fail
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Notice how I get to be the hulking muscle-bound collossus and xanthan is stuck being the skinny one-legged guy in a wheelchair.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL WHEELCHAIR
/throws crippled man down flight of stairs
Awesome.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
I saw this comment before I scrolled down far enough to see who posted it, and I was really hoping it would be the triumphant return of DrB.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 3, 2008 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
I HATE YOU AND YOUR ASS FACE
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Don’t be offended. It’s actually just that I told him one time that every time he laughs at one of your jokes, a baby dies.
I didn’t think he’d believe me!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 3, 2008 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, waving the fucking gun around?
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
This idea does not deserve a fanpost, what does everyone think of Kerry Wood? Would he be willing to not be the closer? Would cost too much? Just an idea I was thinking about.
I can haz homerunz!
It's almost like I been here before.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
Nailed it (x 20,000).
/Wilt Chamberlain
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 3, 2008 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Nailed it.
/The Jews c. 26-36 AD
The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.
by Mike Hawk on Dec 3, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
bad
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 3, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
That's a rec
Nice job
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
be careful
it could be dangerous playing with nails
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
I was going to write something about my new white whale and just rosterbate all over this place, but I hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, when I spend an hour or two on a post, only to have the Giants make some sort of roster move that gets all of the attention.
So I front-paged Xanthan. For being the first peon to be front-paged twice, he will receive a magazine subscription. And by “magazine subscription”, I mean I will sign him up for several different mail-order catalogs.
Aside to Xanthan: Can you e-mail me your address? Kthx.
Xanthan: make sure Grant sends the McCovey bucks he owes you by certified mail.
My plans for 2009: getting married and attending Tim Lincecum Bobblehead Day.
Then she’ll join me on the Ram-page.
(Name that literary reference!)
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Aw, geez
SBNation did that thing where it posted my reply as a reply to a completely different post. This was meant to be in reference to what Baron will do if the terms aren’t as listed.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
I’m okay with it if the deal stays at the listed terms.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 3, 2008 1:10 PM PST reply actions
and if it doesn’t?
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 3, 2008 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
If you see a small portion of Contra Costa County go up in flames, you’ll know why.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 3, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
but probably won't care.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
Cool
This works for me. Much better option than Furcal, no draft picks lost, etc. etc.
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
Also ok with Renteria for 2/18. And a one year cheap deal for a vet. reliever (Howry) that doesn’t cost us a draft pick? It’s like all the advantages of vet. savvy with almost none of the drawbacks!
Ok, so is anyone else starting to think this is all fitting into maybe a bigger picture to lure CC to the Bay? It’s like we’re shouting “Hey look, shiny new (read: old) middle infielder and bullpen. Contender, contender, contender!” Still not sure I’d be in favor of such a signing, but I’m starting to get the feeling a major push could be coming.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 3, 2008 1:15 PM PST reply actions
Neukom Bomb
Neuk wants to make a big splash. Tex does not want SF so yet Sabathia wants Cali and NL so he can then hit.
CC
Come home CC. Buy me some Warrior tix and I’ll show you around town.
Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
Next thing you know, Bea Arthur will be inducted into the TV Academy Hall of Fame.
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 3, 2008 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
WELL SHE BETTER BE!!!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 3, 2008 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
Would be a great deal at these numbers. Renteria’s glove may not come back, but his career NL numbers are very good, and that is a distinction that matters. Burriss would probably be better with the glove, but there’s no reason to believe he’ll be anything special there… Renteria at SS will win us more games than Burriss at SS. Let Burriss tangle for the second-base job. If he can keep walking enough to be playable, maybe he can inherit the SS in two years.
My favorite thing about the Affeldt, Howry and Renteria signings isn’t what they do for our team — we’re still not a competitive team, though we’re better — it’s the intelligence it shows in the front office. These signings show restraint, creativity and a clear-headed assessment of where we’re at as a franchise. The past week or two have made me more optimistic about Sabean than I’ve been in five or six years.
iawtc
a sanchez for cantu trade would ruin all of that, of course but for now…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Stop that!
why are you harshing my high?
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
These moves are making me wonder
Are the Giants targeting 2011 as their big comeback special? With these short-term deals that are meant to improve the team for the next two years but not be an issue by 2011 when, incidentally, several players from the system are likely to start knocking on the door, it certainly looks like the Giants actually have a long-term outlook/plan.
This would be something close to a miracle, would it not?
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
You posit too much logic. But if that’s the plan, then I will take that logic and enjoy it as I graduate from med school (and into nasty loads of debt) while enjoying a resurgent Giants squad. Too bad I won’t be able to take out student loans to buy season tickets.
Med School Gradumication
No Kididng? I also graduate from Med School in 2011.
Then we get to work 100+ hour weeks making under $40,000 and try to pay off loans while getting pimped by our attendings. Woohoo!
Ralph Barbieri, heal thyself.
by ThrillisGone22 on Dec 4, 2008 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks to our boy Baggs for taking time from the links to report:
On the Bobby Howry conference call, Giants GM Brian Sabean said he hoped to finish a deal with a free agent infielder (presumably Edgar Renteria or Rafael Furcal) later this week.
Sabean gave a foggy answer when asked if the Giants were in the free- agent market for starting pitchers. When asked directly if CC Sabathia was in play, he declined comment, saying the call should be focused on Howry.
What Sabes really meant to say: “Calm the f*ck down. I got this!”
/sigh
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 3, 2008 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Who does he think he is? Barack Obama?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 3, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
I am so so with this
First of all, I love Omar and would be happy to watch him play till he turns to sand. Personally I would like to see the Giants sign Casey Blake to play 3rd and re-sign omar (I know silly, but Blake at 3rd I do like). With that said, this comparisson chart and a 2YR deal would make me ok with a Renteria signing.
2008 Stats: Hits AB Avg HR RBI Runs SO OBP SLG
Giants SS: 162 703 .230 1 46 72 110 .286 .254
Renteria: 136 503 .270 10 55 69 64 .317 .382
Still doesnt resolve our need for a bat at the corner or left field, but, but, it is an upgrade offensively up the middle.
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 3, 2008 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
yeah well
I bleed orange not blue but I have to say, there are more than a few Dodgers I wouldnt mind seeing in the black and orange. I like Blake, alwyas have, and wont apologize for it. Hes the kind of player I like — all baseball. Very quiet and great in the clubhouse (lest we not forget Torre’s crediting of Blakes contribution to last season). Given whats out there and our alternatives a guy who can give you 20+ HR and 70+ RBIs at 3rd would be welcome.
wow
I never thought the day would arrive I’d be lectured about Casey Blake’s “grittiness”.
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 3, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
+
I’ll take my chances with Pablito at 3B.
Realistically a trade for Beltre would suffice. His numbers are somewhat comparable or better than Blake’s. 29 YO > 35 YO
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 3, 2008 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
29 YO > 35 YO
That’s awesome math
Ralph Barbieri, heal thyself.
by ThrillisGone22 on Dec 4, 2008 8:03 AM PST up reply actions
I know. It took me a while to formulate that.
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 4, 2008 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
The big reason Blake shouldn't be dismissed
is because he can be had for 3/$21 million right now, and would give us decent defense and power without blocking any 3B ready in the minors. Both the Dodgers and Twins have offered him 2 years with options, and his agent says he’s happy with $7 million/year, but wants 3 years. Think about how the Giants could upgrade the left side of their infield offensively for only $16 million per year over the next 2-3 years without blocking anyone of greater upside. Snagging Renteria and Blake on manageable contracts while still playing Burriss/Frandsen at 2B and Pablo/Phelps at 1B would be a good use of cash to upgrade the offense, leaving us with the money to take a run at CC.
Matt Cain's drinking buddy
Considering he is one of the better 1st basemen, Rf & 3rd baseman on the market and the amount of teams that consider themselves contenders with holes in those positions or a weak bench I would be surprised if he does not get that amount ( a bit more) for a 2 year offer. Yes its just my opinion but there an awful lot team Blake would help and some of them have pretty deep pockets.
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Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
Everyone is too happy with Sabean
Travis Denker. Never forget.
I’m fine with the deals though, both Howry and the presumed 2/18 Renteria.
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I’m happy with pretty much everything this offseason, except for Denker.
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Neglectful father of David Quinowski
+1.5
Giants: World Series Champions...in 2011.
by Giants_Junkie on Dec 3, 2008 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
+i
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
-(i^2)
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Subtracting a negative is always a good thing
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 3, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Ken Rosenthal
Renteria, 33, also is drawing interest from the Cardinals and Dodgers, prompting one general manager to ask, “Am I missing something?” Well, Renteria had an .827 OPS after the All-Star Game after posting only a .627 OPS before it. His defense, however, remains a major concern. Renteria excels at going up the middle, but is among the worst in the game fielding balls in the hole.
If this is the case shouldn’t the Giants look for a slick glove at the hot corner? Surely not a butcher like Jorge Cantu.
SPEED AND DEFENSE
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
He would really be perfect
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
That's what she said.
HA take that Lars.
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+ 1 million
"we must protect this house!"
by carlitofresh21 on Dec 3, 2008 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
Comments from other sites are dumb.
Two highlights from Schulman’s post on Reteria and Howry:
“Renteria gives me an Eduardo Alfonso sense of dread.”
“Renteria is a CAREER .290 hitter. Everyone has been bashing this guy for hittin .270 last year wih the Tigers. Gimme a friggin break.”
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NotNotGardo
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 3, 2008 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
lol
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 3, 2008 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
Also I read this comment and thought that KnK have kids. Like daddy and daddy.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 3, 2008 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
People from LA stopped that idea from staying legal.
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 3, 2008 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Fixed it
People fromLAUTAH stopped that idea from staying legal.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 3, 2008 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
You know, I almost forgot.
1997!!!!!!
I am now firmly against this move.
Stupid Marlins.
Stupid pitchers mound.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
You're right...
that guy Robb Nen was never a good Giant anyway…
Nen never hit a game-winning single against us, though.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Without a Doubt
Renteria to SF is a done deal. The proof is the Cardinals, who have been chasing Renteria, traded for Khalil Greene.
Again, this is veteran fetish Sabean
Renteria’s defense is practically Durham-esque, and his bat is awful – what’s the point? Buriss had a .350 OBP (2nd on the team amongst regulars) – why the hell would you sign a guy who’s over the hill who is noticeably worse now? not every proven vet has a comeback in him. If you’re spending $12M on him and Howry, I’d rather spend $13-$15M on an Adam Dunn – this is just stupidity. Yeah, its only for 2 years, but SS makes no sense, unless you’re getting a clear improvement (aka Furcal).
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
be honest… is there actually any reason to expect Burriss to OBP .350 again?
I like him but I really think he could benefit from a year in Fresno.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I mean… Renteria has a .347 career OBP. In 214 second-half PA last year, he had a .343 OBP.
Burriss’s .357 came in only about 50 more PA.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Legitimiate point
but Renteria looked done by all accounts, and his defense was worse than Burriss’ (I can’t find Dewan’s numbers). At best , I venture he’s about a 1-win player better than Burriss – is that worth the $8M? At least lets spend it somewhere it can add real value, not here. Affeldt made sense – this, not so much. Furcal was good enough to add real offensive value.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Yeah, the defense is a big concern for sure. I’m not entirely ready to completely write him off offensively though. He won’t be a 120 OPS+ player again (unless he has a fluky year) but I don’t think a bounce back to 95-100 levels is anywhere near out of the question (his prOPS last year, for example, was .760.)
I am concerned about the infield defense at the moment though (which is why I’d really like to see a Beltre trade).
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
He had a bad year. I’m trying to figure out when and why people decided he was done after ONE bad year.
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I remember when he was done after his two bad years in Boston.
He was a lot younger then, of course.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Only In Boston For One Year
and it really wasn’t all that bad. By they way neither was last year in Detroit. They were down years but hardly bad years.
by giantsrainman on Dec 3, 2008 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
oh for some reason I thought his 88 year in STL was for Boston too. Whoops. And yeah, he was very slightly above average for an AL shortstop last year (his line would be below average for an NL shortstop though.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Read that Burriss poor play at shortstop in the AFL is what prompted SF to go look for another player to play shortstop for the team in 2009.
Yay!
That’s the front office I know and love. Making decisions based off of ridiculously small sample sizes.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Nope, Just Scouting Which Unlike Statistical Evaluation Isn't Dependent Upon Sample Size
by giantsrainman on Dec 3, 2008 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
No, Of Course It Is Dependent Upon Sample Size
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Yeah Right Scouts Watch Hundreds Of A Players Defensive Plays
to make their evaluations of that players capabilities.
What A Bunch Of Crock!
by giantsrainman on Dec 3, 2008 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
It’s pretty close to a thing that she said.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Yeah Right Scouts Watch Hundreds Of A Players Defensive Plays
You mean a significant sample size? Gadzooks!
Get on the trolley.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
You Kidding Right?
Surely you understood that “bunch of crock” referred to the idea that scouts have the time to accually watch that many plays from each player they evaluate.
Scouts make their evaluations based of very small sample sizes. they always have and they always will. There just are not enough scouts to do otherwise.
by giantsrainman on Dec 3, 2008 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
Not to mention the numerous, widely varying scouting reports on guys still in the minors.
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Neglectful father of David Quinowski
idgi
Scouts don’t need a large sample size, which is why half a year in the majors wasn’t enough to evaluate Burriss? How does that make sense?
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
To make myslelf clear
If scouts don’t need a large sample size to make their evaluations, then half in the majors is surely enough to properly evaluate a player, which means that there isn’t even a reason to follow Burriss in the AFL.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
One of two things have happened
1) He’s, as usual, ignoring every irrefutable counterpoint made.
2) Your logic shattered his mind so completely, he’s now babbling to himself in a straight jacket.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
What I Suspect Is That Burriss Returned To Some Old Bad Habits
and therefore the Giants are not convinced that he will be able to maintain avoiding them with the consistently they think is required. This does not require a large sample size to detect.
by giantsrainman on Dec 4, 2008 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
I will agree with GRM here
That if a player has poor habits / fundamental flaws in his game, it does not take a large sample size to establish this.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
But they have already seen him for a couple of months in the majors, and he only improved and got more play time as time passed, so…what’s the deal? Burriss came to the majors with bad fundamentals, then improved them, and got rewarded with more playing time, but now he regressed in the AFL and his fundamentals were so poor that it took only a couple of games for the scouts to determine that he’s actually not any good? You’re kind of assuming a lot of things and even then it doesn’t make that much sense.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
I'm not trying to comment on the specific case
As I actually agree with you re: Burriss. I’m just pointing out that a scout doesn’t need hundreds of AB’s to see that a guy has a long swing or other flaws.
I think that Burriss made great strides last season, but I think he would be best served by spending at least the first part of ’09 in Fresno. If he obliterates AAA, then we can feel pretty good about his chances in the ML.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
From MLBTR
11:24pm: Henry Schulman says Renteria took a physical for the Giants today and “a deal appears to be done.”
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
by Giant among Angels on Dec 3, 2008 9:34 PM PST reply actions
here's my question
If the arguement for Renteria is based on the short-term commitment, what sign was there that anyone else was going to give him $9M a year? Also, since Detroit was committed to paying him $3M anyway (on the $12M option), wouldnt it have made sense to offer than a token minor league arm to limit the commitment to one year? Or hell, trade scrubs for Khalid Greene (who is younger, and is a better defender, and was apparently traded to St. Louis for scrubs today?)
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Because Renteria at $9 million for 2 is a safer and wiser investment
than getting sucked into paying $4 million more per year for 2 more years to a guy coming off back surgery. If I remember correctly, the Cards were ready to pay Renteria $8 million, so when Sabean saw that Furcal’s agent Kinzer had overplayed his hand by demanding four years, he went with the guy who hit .330 in the National League two seasons ago.
Matt Cain's drinking buddy
The Honorable Mr. Henry addressed Furcal. For now I’ll resist the urge to trash that dead horse.
1) I have not seen anything definitive on what the Padres got back. Last I read with was a pair of minor league relievers. Still there is nothing to say the Padres would make the price that low for inside the division and a lot to suggest it would be higher.
2) Look at Renertira as being a Pain Sponge with a bit of a stick that provides a level of competition that Burris, Frandsen, Velez et all need to do better then to increase their playing time ( around 900 innings as things stand now) and this is pretty shrewd move just rebuilding purposes alone. He basically replaces the injured Omar, Ochoa, Bocock & Joe Casle ( players already beat out) with just one roster spot.
3) As for 1 year being better then 2 years for this new and improved Pain Sponge I might agree with you if I thought the odds really high that 2 of Sandoval, Velez, Frandsen & Burriss were going to prove themselves to be solid MLB level regulars at 2nd, SS or 3rd in 2009. It don’t I think the odds that two of them prove to be MLB level regulars at 2nd, SS, or 3rd next season aren’t even 33%.
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Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
even scrubs have value
and Greene is probably a better defender but worse hitter.
The fact is: Renteria is a HUGE bet to be a better player (offense + defense) than Burriss in 2009, and probably 2010 as well. And if he gets injured, you still have Burriss. There are other options, but they are have similar blemishes (Furcal better player, but wants longer contract and is worse injury risk. Cabrera worse hitter. Anyone else you have to give up talent for – which since the Giants are pseudo-rebuilding anyway is a big no no.)
The best anti-Renteria argument is that there is some better use in 09/10 for $9M than the upgrade of Renteria over Burriss… but frankly, it would be hard to make such a deal that doesn’t commit you past 2010.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
Batting order
Now that the Renteria will be a Giants player what spot in the batting order will he hit?
2nd?
3rd?
5th?
6th?
If Franny Outhits Renteria He Will Eventually Get The Spot
However I think the likelihood of this is small.
by giantsrainman on Dec 3, 2008 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
If he is a starter
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
by Giant among Angels on Dec 3, 2008 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah.
Dustin Hoffman, Sam Jackson, and Sharon Stone.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 3, 2008 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
And the winner gets to bat #2?
What position would they play?
Barry Zito - Mildly half-OK! Sometimes.
Ya probably second, Pablito should bat third and if Sabes can pick up Pat the Bat, or some other power hitting possible corner infielder, he will bat fourth.
I can haz homerunz!
That supposed to be a period in between forgot and I’m. Cause I didn’t for get that I’m a dumbass, I forgot that Benjie the Bat was our cleanup hitter.
I can haz homerunz!
See, that’s not how it works here. You’re supposed to leave that opening in place for one of the house wiseasses to come in and say something like, “I never forget that you’re a dumbass.”
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
I never for get that he’s a dumbass.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 4, 2008 7:10 AM PST up reply actions
3rd vs LHP.
Of coarse predicting Boulder Skull’s ingenuity is about as fruitful as guessing Giants minor League assignments for me. They both produce much pain in a variety of flavors.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
He'll hit 2nd
but he should hit 7th
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 4, 2008 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Supposedly done deal
Bill Mueller? I expect at least A-Rod type numbers from my son, Conor Gillaspie
IT IS DONE!!!
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8888962/Sources:-Giants-sign-Renteria-to-two-year-deal
2/18.5
Awesome.
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
Woot!
We just won 4 more games next year!
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
Counter point
If one puts weight on the Pythagorean Win- Lose we just "gained" the 4 games we played better then last year.
What do you mean by " I am contrary"?
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
* Head spins ala the mayor in Nightmare before Christmas.*
Of course with so much young talent that means 72 wins is our floor and any improvements will go straight to near 500.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
You gotta start improving SOMEWHERE.
The team is not going to get better aging like a fine wine.
Also 4 marginal wins/9M is a HUGE bargain, isn’t it.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
I am not poor mouthing these moves in the least. Just offer little perspective before people advocate printing 2009 playoff ticket from a 84 win season before Christmas.
Well that and trying to get Fariweather’s goat a little. He usually puts me in my place quick enough.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
Hey, leave my goat out of this and I'll leave this out of your goat.
Er, wait a second…
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
I don't practice Renteria...
I ain’t got no Golden Gloves.
Well I had a good young shortstop, but he
He got no love.
They say you're a pitcher; you sure aren't much of a dresser.
Fixed
I ain’t got no Golden Gloves.
Well I had agood young shortstopquestionable young shortstop who never demonstrated any ability to hit sans a scant 150 ML ab’s, but he
He got no love.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 4, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
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