Sanchez for 3B Jorge Cantu floated
Mixed feelings of getting a 3B with some pop, who had a breakout year after sucking up the place the previous seasons. Trading one inconsistent player for perhaps another, but at a point of need. This would of course move Pablo to first.
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DO NOT WANT
If Sabean even thinks about it….
by NeifiChicken on Dec 3, 2008 11:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’ll start getting the feathers ready.
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Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Dec 3, 2008 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t believe this rumor at all. This would be a HORRENDOUS trade if it actually happened
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 3, 2008 11:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The article also mentions....
the Giants believe they are close with Renteria
by NeifiChicken on Dec 3, 2008 11:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
by Zetsuboushita on Dec 3, 2008 11:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good lord. If that’s what Sanchez’s value is right now, the Giants are better off hanging on to him and hoping that he’ll up his value this coming season.
by deuce deuce on Dec 3, 2008 11:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
exactly
if that’s what the Brass is thinking, they don’t know what they have.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 3, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants should replace a terrible fielding 3B with an even worse one!
IT MIGHT JUST BE CRAZY ENOUGH TO WORK
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 3, 2008 11:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If it gets worse… there’s a chance it could loop around to good!
by Natto on Dec 3, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Underflow!
by FairweatherFan on Dec 3, 2008 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pass
If they wanted him, they should have signed him last year.
by Natto on Dec 3, 2008 11:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
…unless the Fish want to throw in Hanley.
by Natto on Dec 3, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what if they throw in Dallas McPherson?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 3, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez for Cantu? HELL NO! Sanchez is worth significantly more than Cantu, who had one good year, is horrendous on defense at 3rd base – and only adequate at 1st base.
Sanzhez, while the numbers may not indicate it, is on the rise. He’s a strikeout per inning LHP who can dominate a game. While he was inconsistent last year, it was the first season the Giants made him a starter and stuck with it. He had been jerked around for the previous couple of years between starting and relieving and the majors and the minors.
While I’m not opposed to trading Sanchez for a power bat, his value hasn’t peaked yet and he’s worth more than Jorge Cantu, who the Giants could have gotten last year for nothing.
I’d add that when I say “power bat” I’d prefer to include Sanchez in a package to get a big time power bat, if possible.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 3, 2008 11:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
In a sorta-related-OT, the Mariners are set to sign Russell Branyan. I liked him as a darkhorse 3B candidate.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 3, 2008 11:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rabble rabble!
I kind of had hope for him as well. Oh well I didn’t think they would sign Affleldt for what they did so I call it a win.
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by daveinexile on Dec 3, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
I forbid Sabean from trading Sanchez for the likes of Jorge Cantu.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
by thehavenot on Dec 3, 2008 11:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fun fact, by June of this year, UZR had Cantu as a -31 third baseman. That’s nearly -3 wins right off the bat by defense alone.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 3, 2008 11:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
off the bat by defense?
its so damn literal.
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil.
by BrianBokake on Dec 3, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no
and I thought that while I was still thinking Cantu was a 2B
by kingofthacove on Dec 3, 2008 11:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Cantu is young and produced in 2008. While am #1 Sanchez fan believe we overrate El Guapo,
by wilriv21 on Dec 3, 2008 11:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't consider myself much of a Sanchez fan...
but I just hate Cantu that much. I wouldn’t trade Manny Burris for Cantu, and I don’t think anyone on McC hates Burris more than I do
by NeifiChicken on Dec 3, 2008 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well...
I might actually give up Burris, that was sort of for illiteration, but I really don’t like Cantu. The defense is a big part of it, but I also think he has an overrated bat that will never produce any better than it did last year.
I was actually on board for the Giants giving him a chance last year, when he was free, but I wouldn’t be willing to give up too much for him.
Even Sanchez for Uggla is hard for me to stomach, but would be alright with it
by NeifiChicken on Dec 3, 2008 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
I don’t see the alliteration. Or the illiteration. Well, maybe the illiteration.
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by Idaho Nick on Dec 3, 2008 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cantu is young-ish at 27 but unless he’s a DH, he’s undoing almost everything he does at the plate by playing defense in the field.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 3, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What does your Commodore 64 say about his short stint at 3B in 2005? I can’t find anything. I’m just so, so, so loathe to put too much stock into one year’s worth of defensive stats, and if Cantu were just bad instead of abysmal, I wouldn’t mind this trade that much.
by Grant on Dec 3, 2008 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, putting a bunch of stock in just one year of defensive stats isn’t good, but Cantu has been a terrible defender for several years. In ’06 he was about -16 runs at 2B by plus/minus. Chris Dial had him closer to -30 runs if you extrapolated him to 150 games.
PMR had Cantu in the lower tier of third baseman this year. In 2005 PMR had him as the worst 3B in baseball. If you look at RZR he’s been at the bottom every year for whatever position he’s played. Cantu scored a positional neutral 38 in Tango’s Fan Scouting Report, 50 is league average.
Defensively, 2B and 3B are pretty similar in terms of difficulty to play. If Cantu was playing SS and was doing terrible, you might expect him to play better at an easier position like 3B or 2B, but because he’s been really terrible at 2B he’s also probably going to be equally terrible at 3B. He’s either a 1B or DH, preferably a DH.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 3, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil.
by BrianBokake on Dec 3, 2008 11:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
W
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 3, 2008 11:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
T
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 3, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
F
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 3, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He looks like Bruce Campbell after an accident with his chainsaw
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 3, 2008 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It... got my face
How do you stop it?!
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Dec 3, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, that hair looks like part of his eyebrows, especially on the right side of the picture. Very weird
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
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by raisingcain on Dec 3, 2008 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If this is true, I doubt it is a 1 for 1
There has to be another piece coming back. The only reason Sanchez was inconsistent was that he hit the wall from an IP standpoint.
’06: 40.0
’07: 52.0
’08: 158.0
With that kind of IP jump it is no wonder he had a bad second half.
With all of that said, I doubt this rumor is true anyway…
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 3, 2008 11:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather play Lars wearing a mocap suit at 3B!@
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 3, 2008 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys laugh now
But all this time in a mocap suit will pay off when they release my “Lars In A Cube Farm” video game!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 3, 2008 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“The motion captured coffee sip looks so real!”
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 3, 2008 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
im adopting "insert 37th pick's name here"
by Headhunter Rollins on Dec 3, 2008 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you trade Sanchez and Tim Alderson to the
Mariners, if you could get Adrian Beltre to sign an extension as part of the trade?
Matt Cain's drinking buddy
by Buck Henry on Dec 3, 2008 11:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hanley Ramirez
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 3, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.
by Mike Hawk on Dec 3, 2008 11:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow- quite the fail
That’s up there with the bazillion broken bottles of beer on the highway.
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Dec 3, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
I was for signing him last season when he was cheap
Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!
by j14 on Dec 3, 2008 12:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with selling high on Jonathan Sanchez. Jorge Cantu does not constitute selling high. DO NOT WANT.
by rotorueter on Dec 3, 2008 12:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think even the most bearish of Sanchez supporters realize that even if he does wash out as a starter, he could be a nice bullpen piece. To trade him for Cantu is pretty startling.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 3, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Part of the reason I would be OK with trading him is the ridiculous workload that he’s been subjected to. If he blows out his arm completely, he won’t help us in the bullpen either.
That being said, I don’t want to get rid of him unless we are getting some serious talent.
by rotorueter on Dec 3, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a second...
When you say “ridiculous workload” do you mean his being bounced around from bullpen to rotation? Because he has actually thrown a decent amount of innings the last few years.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
by thehavenot on Dec 3, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The bouncing around was part of it, but I was mostly referring to the massive jump in innings pitched from 2007-2008.
2007- 75.2 IP
2008- 158 IP
by rotorueter on Dec 3, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
Still, less than 300 innings in two years isn’t bad.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
by thehavenot on Dec 3, 2008 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure it would be selling high if we traded him this off-season.
Nor would it be selling low. Maybe selling middle?
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
by thehavenot on Dec 3, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade would have ramifications
This trade is just one transaction in going a long way in improving this team. A solid, good RHH who is young and coming off a big season. Instead of spending $$$ on Dunn, Tex, Burrell SF could get the middle of the order power bat who still is in their prime and under control until 2011. This would still allow Sabean to go after Sabathia if he so chooses.
by wilriv21 on Dec 3, 2008 12:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This trade would have ramifications
…terrible ramifications.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 3, 2008 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
manramifications?
The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.
by Mike Hawk on Dec 3, 2008 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We've already got RafRod and AnVil
We don’t need ManRam
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Dec 3, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do these rumors about the Giants trading for Marlins infielders who hit for some power but can’t field worth a damn keep coming up? As if Mike Jacobs wasn’t bad enough…
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by jcb9 on Dec 3, 2008 12:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
can a Matt Cain for Dan Uggla be far behind?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 3, 2008 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that you mention it, hasn’t there already been one of those?
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by jcb9 on Dec 3, 2008 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Just when I thought Sabean couldn't be any dumber ...
You go out and totally redeem yourself."
BTW, I didn’t think he could find a way to get both Correia and Misch into the starting rotation at the same time, but dammit Brian, you found a way.
LinceCain and pray for rain .... or for someone to take Zito off our hands.
by Lincecain on Dec 3, 2008 12:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So we have a Lincecain and a Caincecum, plus three users named after William Van Landingham. Who’s next – Jamie Brewington?
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by jcb9 on Dec 3, 2008 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Portugal.
/ Snarls
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by daveinexile on Dec 3, 2008 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Giants_Junkie said in a deleted,/repeat thread:
“Clearly, if Cantu could return to his 2005 level of production (.286, 28 HR, 117 RBI) this could make sense, but I am not a believer that his resurgence last year (.277, 29 HR, 95 RBI) is a sign that he’s all the way back to being a dependable middle-of-the-order guy. Plus, he plays 3B/1B now (rather than his ’05 position @ 2B) and these stats are not as "valuable” from a CI slot as if they were if they’d been coming from a middle infielder.
Looking (really, searching) for a bright side, I suppose locking in a 1B/3B duo of Cantu / Sandoval has some upside (and an infield with these two and Renteria does have some short-term appeal). Also, such a deal could mean MadBum or Alderson (or even Nicholson?) gets a look early in ‘09…but I’m not sure that’s enough of a bright side to make up for my sense that dealing Sanchez is simply a bad idea.
What do you all think? If we sign Renteria (looking likely) and add Howry (80% odds?) and Cantu (50/50?) we will have some serious rosterbation ahead of us, which would keep things interesting here at the Chronicles…"
by Grant on Dec 3, 2008 1:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was just about to post that, except with cool blockquotey format.
by Natto on Dec 3, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, No, No
And I would like to add, …No.
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by marklar on Dec 3, 2008 2:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Urgh
NO
NO
NO
NO
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 3, 2008 2:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, no. Sanchez may certainly flame out at some point, and there’s a good argument for trading him, but Cantu is way too warty of a return.
by onlxn on Dec 3, 2008 3:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Giants and Marlins have discussed a trade that would send talented young left-hander Jonathan Sanchez to Florida for hard-hitting infielder Jorge Cantu. The Giants have inquired about some others who could possibly play third base for them, as well, including the Brewers’ superb young shortstop J.J. Hardy. However, it appears Milwaukee has little desire to move Hardy, making the Giants look into Cantu
by wilriv21 on Dec 3, 2008 3:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
not ok
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 3, 2008 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/looks into Cantu
/goes blind
/dies
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 3, 2008 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DRY HUMP
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Dec 3, 2008 4:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez...
I like his ceiling way too much to let him go yet. I’m very much against this proposed trade.
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by Skaldheim on Dec 3, 2008 4:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Horrible idea
Gosh, we already have terrible infield defense and refuse to draw walks. We could just release Sanchez instead and save on the cost of a uniform.
Proud member of the Adopt-a-Giant program (Aaron Rowand)
by antinous on Dec 3, 2008 4:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Or
We could trade Sanchez to the phillies and Pedro back.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 3, 2008 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No Way
…even though Cantu was pretty clutch last year with 2 outs (a stat i love, and fellow teamates love). If Sanchez improves his “effectively wild” habit of 08 he will really solidify the rotation. CRAP… I forgot we still have Zito pitching every 5th!!
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
by Giant among Angels on Dec 3, 2008 8:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So..
Is this where I say something about no?
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by WalrusMan on Dec 3, 2008 9:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The fact that this is being seriously considered is pretty much conclusive proof
that Sabean is still, in fact, an idiot. In his good seasons, Cantu has done enough with the bat to make him a league-average player despite his horrific defense. Most of his seasons have not been good.
He’s a bench scrub, not a guy you trade a cost-controlled starter with a 4.23 tRA for. You could probably replace him with Jesus Guzman and not notice the difference.
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by PaulThomas on Dec 4, 2008 12:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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