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The obligatory "Jonathan Sanchez for ..." post

Disclaimer: I started this post an hour ago and was interupted by a phone call. So, if by chance this is now a rerun, I apologize.

I realize trade proposals are as taboo around here as heart-themed boxer shorts in the locker room. Since this ran at traderumors however ...

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/giants-will-lis.html

it is, as they say, official. So I thought I'd make an excuse to down a third cup of coffee and create this Jonahtan Sanchez trade proposal post. There were some interesting, though mostly cliche ideas after the traderumors article. I consider mine to be a bit more creative. Please feel free to offer your ideas. Or criticize mine.

Should you feel the need for a hijack topic ... Linda Richmond, is neither a Linda, nor a Richmond. Discuss. And please rememeber we now require puns for any Brewers player linked to a trade proposal.

This FanPost is reader-generated, and it does not necessarily reflect the views of McCovey Chronicles. If the author uses filler to achieve the minimum word requirement, a moderator may edit the FanPost for his or her own amusement.

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Sanchez to the Rockies ...

for Jason Hirsh, Jeff Baker, and Michael McKenry.

by StickRat on Dec 28, 2008 1:19 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But we needz starz!

by cornball on Dec 28, 2008 5:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Keep da Bum

Would love to see RJ teach Jonathan Sanchez the slider.

by wilriv21 on Dec 28, 2008 1:24 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't count on it...

RJ doesn’t teach. He shows up for work and then leaves.

At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.

by TrojanCBB on Dec 28, 2008 1:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and stares you down the entire time

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Dec 29, 2008 10:15 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's not true!

I’m sure he would love to spend some extra time with the team helping take care of our seagull problem.

by boonitez on Dec 29, 2008 2:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m sure they’re going to be open-minded, but I’m also pretty sure that I saw in the Chron today that Sabean said they’d rather not trade him until they know how healthy Lowry is going to be come Spring Training.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Dec 28, 2008 1:25 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which would be smart

Why is Brian Sabean doing these intelligent things?

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 28, 2008 1:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alien mind control ray

We don't really have that much pitching depth. We don't really have that much pitching depth. FOR GOD SAKE, VERUCA, DON'T GO FAKE TRADING JONATHAN SANCHEZ. We don't really have that much pitching depth

by oldjacket on Dec 28, 2008 1:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I want my old Sabean back! No, wait, that’s not right.

I’m so confused.

Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.

by Lyle on Dec 29, 2008 8:13 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's the Giant way

My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman

by Goofus on Dec 28, 2008 1:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't get me wrong

I would like the Giants to keep Sanchez, because he has amazing potential. Looking at the current rotation, you’re looking at five guys who ten years from now could all have Cy Young Awards in the trophy case. I think trading Sanchez for a high-profile hitter is a risky idea. The Padres made a similar move in 2003 when they traded Oliver Perez and Jason Bay for Brian Giles. Ultimately, I think that was a bad deal for the Padres, because they gave up long-term star potential to become an immediate contender. Sure, the Giants could package Sanchez with a bat like Angel Villanova or Fred Lewis for a peak slugger like Prince Fielder. But is that ultimately going to make the Giants a better post-season contender? No … and my reasoning is it damages the team’s long-term growth.

However, I could sign off on a trade with which the Giants turn Sanchez into the premier player of a deal and acquire a bat or two with serious upside.

by StickRat on Dec 28, 2008 4:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brent Brewer

No pun needed for this Brewer ss and he is blocked by escobar and Hardy

Why does Sabean always look constipated?

by TexasRanger on Dec 28, 2008 4:59 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It didn't have to happen this way

The thing I feared the most about the signing of RJ was that it would be the first in a series of transactions.

  1. Sign RJ
  2. Trade Sanchez for hitter.
  3. Rush MiLB pitchers to MLB sooner than necessary.

Believe the Giants could have spent their monies better/wiser by:
  1. Instead of $10MM to sign RJ spend that monies to sign Dayan Viciedo
  2. Retain Sanchez in SF rotation

by wilriv21 on Dec 28, 2008 5:42 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BREAKING NEWS!

Ah…so Sanchez has been traded already?

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2008 6:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not just

1. Sign RJ.
2. Retain Sanchez.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Dec 29, 2008 1:15 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RJ is 45 yrs old with 15 yrs of back problems….trading Sanchez seems like a bad reaction. im all for offense but it doesnt seem like Sanchez alone gets us back anything worthwhile.

Sanchez is 2-3rd best #5 pitcher in this league…by the all-star break we will know if Lowry gets better, if minor leaguers keep improving and then trade him when his value will be the highest

by cazzuno on Dec 29, 2008 8:58 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think sanchez would have a good shot at being THE best #5 in the league, unless I’m forgetting someone. Many teams 5th starter spots are very much question marks, filled with a different journeyman every year or rotated between different guys. Even if sanchez doesn’t have a full breakout season, he should do very well for the fifth spot.

Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa

by raisingcain on Dec 29, 2008 7:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see Sanchez as more of an all-or-nothing type of player. If he can tighten his control then he’ll be a front of the rotation starter, but if not then who knows. Maybe back to the bullpen

Wall-E for Best Picture 2008

by Useful_Idiot on Dec 29, 2008 9:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Random new ideaz

Six man rotashun!!!1

Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.

by jasomack on Dec 28, 2008 7:18 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could somebody please tell me which genius thinks the Giants would be a good fit to trade for Xavier Nady of the Yanks? Ugh…

Anyway, I say no way to trading Sanchez. If we could get some value for him then go ahead, but the thought of trading him for Encarnacion or Cantu is somewhat frightening.

Wall-E for Best Picture 2008

by Useful_Idiot on Dec 28, 2008 7:42 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

alot of people are saying we now have the best rotation in the league. Why would we trade one of them?? This makes no sense to me. Sign someone like Wigginton or Crede, and let’s go to war. Do not trade one of the starters, unless it’s the one that can’t be traded, and we know that’s not happening.

Brian Sabean's dad- will make a few phone calls to help his son find a new job after next season

by rxmeister on Dec 28, 2008 7:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

eh

I still think the Angel have that one down…

by boonitez on Dec 29, 2008 2:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rxmeister is correct; Sabean won't deal Sanchez now.

He’s all but told the Chron today that he’ll hold onto Sanchez and wait to see if Lowry can make it back. If he can, they’ll probably move Lowry in a package deal to move his salary and get something (anything) in return. But I don’t see Sabean moving Sanchez unless someone makes him a ridiculous offer.

When you’ve got a rotation that allows you to slot a 26 year-old lefty who throws 95 as your #5 starter, you are sitting pretty and Sabean knows it. This rotation and bullpen is light years ahead of what they started last year with. Plus, he’s got at least six potential starters sitting at AA or lower (Martinez, Pucetas, Sosa, Bumgarner, Alderson, and English), so it’s in his best interest to let these guys develop and let his current rotation work this year.

And from what Schulman inferred in today’s piece, Sabean will pivot back to the now-sliding FA market to address the infield corner need. If I had to guess, Sabean will sign Ty Wigginton to a 2/$12 million deal in the next ten days. It will allow them to put Pablo at 1B to platoon with Ishi and backup Molina. Besides, Wigginton has good offensive numbers, and has actually played good defense at 2B and 1B as well. Having him and Pablo to rotate at 3B and Ishi to play at 1B allows Bochy a lot of flexibility, at a reasonable cost compared to signing Burrell or Giambi for 1B at twice the cost.

Matt Cain's drinking buddy

by Buck Henry on Dec 28, 2008 8:44 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If they sign Wigginton, he’ll be a utility 1b/2b/3b type. An Ishi/Pablo platoon makes little sense because neither can hit lefties. Plus, it sounds like they really want to get Pablo regular at-bats and don’t really care who gets the ABs on the rest of the infield. Right now first is Ishi and Phelps, but either Wigginton or Aurilia could take Phelps’ place as the right-handed half of the platoon, as well as mop up random ABs at third and second. I very much doubt that Sabean wants Sandoval to learn two – basically new – positions while adjusting to major league pitching. On the other hand, I definitely agree with the essence of your argument: Keep rotation intact and sign corner infielder who hits lefties.

by cornball on Dec 28, 2008 9:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a little early to say that Ishi can't hit lefties,

when he hit around .280 against them in a small sample size last year. Pablo kills righties and Ishi hits also about .280 against them. But Wigginton kills lefties, and Phelps does well against them as well, so they have the makings of some effective platoons there. I agree with you about avoiding moving Pablo around too much however. As to a Wigginton versus Aurilia comparison, since Richie won’t and can’t hit 22-25 dingers like Wigginton can and has done, I’d rather pay Wigginton $5-6 million per year for 2 years to hold down 3B than throw more money to Richie.

Matt Cain's drinking buddy

by Buck Henry on Dec 28, 2008 9:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The corners

The corners are tricky.

Travis Ishikawa’s career minor league numbers against southpaws are .256/.341/.435/.776. I think we could live with that at the major league level, but stats almost always come down when a player reaches the majors. And last season Travis’ minor league numbers against lefties in 111 at bats were just .206/.333/.308/.641.

The good news is that Travis draws walks against lefties. The bad news is that he doesn’t hit them particularly well

Pablo Sandoval hasn’t hit lefties well over his career. He briefly had an OPS over 1.000 against southpaws this winter, but I see that he has dropped back to .799. Hey, we could live with THAT, too, but Pablo’s career minor league OPS against southpaws is only .691, and while he had a breakout season against right-handers last season (1.110!), his minor league OPS against southpaws in 2008 was only .694, right at his deficient career average.

There is little question the Giants are overly left-handed as hitters. Ishikawa and Sandoval are but two. So the natural direction to go would seem to be Ty Wigginton, who had a career year in 2008, posting an impressive .876 OPS. But he put up most of that in the friendly confines of a cozy home park and seems destined for a large fall-off in 2009. At the stated $12 million for two years and with a questionable glove, I’d probably pass.

Joe Crede is intriguing, since has a history of both some good hitting and some good fielding. But it sounds as if his back issues have really hurt his fielding and naturally not helped his hitting. He has never been a high BABIP guy (.262 career), and the past two seasons his line drive percentage has been only 14.6% and 14.3%, respectively. Crede would hold interest only if his health is good and he could be signed to a short-term contract for little money.

Rich Aurilia wants to return to the Giants. But although he improved over a poor 2007 season, his .745 OPS was only OK. His line drive percentage (17.9) dipped below 20 for only the second time in the past seven seasons. At 41.0%, his ground ball percentage was the highest of his recorded career. He can play both corners and even the middle infield in a real pinch, and his glove is decent, although only that. He might return rather cheaply and perhaps on a one-year contract given that he is now 37.

Josh Phelps would make a mediocre-but-inexpensive option, but he plays only first base and not third.

Wigginton seems to have the best risk/reward ratio among this group, but he also would be the most expensive. Crede could be a sleeper, but only if his health is greatly improved. Aurilia would be the safe bet, but with very limited upside. Phelps would be the least expensive option and actually would probably be my choice if he could play third base as well as first.

Based on the direction the Giants seem to be heading, I would probably try to sign Wigginton. But I certainly wouldn’t go beyond two years, and $12 million seems almost too high as a cap, too.

Ideally, the Giants could trade Randy Winn for a decent, inexpensive right-hand hitting third baseman. But that seems unlikely, so Wigginton would be my first choice and Phelps my fall-back position, with Phelps being merely a spot player. And if Aurilia’s price were low enough and he would take a one-year contract, I could even see having both Josh and Richie and going with only two catchers instead of three.

Richie could be the emergency catcher. Or Phelps, who has actually played there. Or perhaps the Giants could get a one-game waiver to bring back Pedro Feliz. Winn is proven at the hot corner. :)

by sharksrog on Dec 29, 2008 11:38 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

someone has forgotten to tell Josh Phelps that he can’t hit lefties: .297/.364 /.495.

We don't really have that much pitching depth. We don't really have that much pitching depth. FOR GOD SAKE, VERUCA, DON'T GO FAKE TRADING JONATHAN SANCHEZ. We don't really have that much pitching depth

by oldjacket on Dec 29, 2008 8:09 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't condone signing Ty Wigginton

If that’s where we’re at, please just keep Rich Aurilia, thank you very much.

by StickRat on Dec 28, 2008 9:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think I’d rather have Crede anyways…

Better bat who has hit in the AL central (good pitching) and plays better defense.

by lincysgiants on Dec 28, 2008 10:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crede had 20 errors in only 97 games in 2008, before getting hurt once again.

His fielding percentage at 3B was a miserable .930. Wigginton on the other hand had only 6 errors in 82 games for a .969 (the rest of his games were in LF). As for being a better bat, Crede has been hurt each of the last two seasons, while Wigginton has averaged 23 HRs and a .280 average from 2006-2008.

Matt Cain's drinking buddy

by Buck Henry on Dec 28, 2008 10:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wigginton is one of those guys whose low error total is a result of how bad his range is. If he had any worth as a defensive third baseman, a multi-year deal would be feasible. As it is though, I wouldn’t want him as anything but a first baseman. And I’ll take Josh Phelps over him. Plus, I think Wigginton’s power swing isn’t suited for AT&T.

by StickRat on Dec 28, 2008 10:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ty Wigginton

Hit at Minute Maid park where the Crawford boxes basically are little league depth

by lincysgiants on Dec 29, 2008 9:49 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, but he also hit a decent number of

dingers at Tampa in 2006 and 2007. Plus, he’d be a right-handed power threat for the Giants in Mays Field, on a team that doesn’t have enough right-handed power for their own field.

I understand folks’ hesitancy to commit multi-year cash to someone like Wigginton, but the Giants aren’t finding good trading options to fill their corner infield needs, so the only ways to avoid getting fleeced in a trade are to:
1) go with Pablo at 3B and Ishi/Phelps at 1B;
2) sign a FA for 3B like Wigginton or Crede and let Pablo have 1B; or
3) sign a FA for 1B as a defensive liability (Giambi or Burrell) and overpay.

It all comes down to which avenue you want to pursue. Crede’s injury history knocks him out for me, and between #2 and #3, I’d rather pay half as much for Wigginton. The final calculation comes down to whether or not you’d prefer to go cheap and in-house, or bring in 20-22 HRs a year with Wigginton and get Pablo everyday at 1B.

Matt Cain's drinking buddy

by Buck Henry on Dec 29, 2008 12:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree that, on paper, Wigginton fills the Giants needs and fits well with the current personnel. However, in reality, I believe all Wigginton will do is prove that leading a team in homeruns can still equal being the worst player on the team. Jose Castillo was leading the team in doubles most of last year until he got cut. Wigginton would be a more glaring example of Castillo-ness.

by StickRat on Dec 29, 2008 2:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Both

are slightly worse versions of Pedro Feliz

Leading the Pro-Aaron Rowand contingent on the McC!
You can ridicule me in 2009 if you like...

by ThrillisGone22 on Jan 4, 2009 11:32 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Say it ain't so, Joe

Reading Andrew Baggarly’s take it says if Lowry is healthy then Jonathan Sanchez would be pushed to the bullpen.

Despite a meager offense that will expect improvement to come from within, Sabean said he sees a playoff-caliber staff in Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Jonathan Sanchez, Barry Zito and Johnson. “This rotation really has the depth you need to compete at the higher level,” he said.

Enough depth that the healthy return of Noah Lowry from two arm operations would push Sanchez to the bullpen, he added, and allow the team to revisit trading a pitcher for a big hitter. “We’ll have to be open-minded,” Sabean said. “Maybe this will go hand-in-hand with what we’re trying to do.”

Sanchez would be traded before SF returns him back to the bullpen.

by wilriv21 on Dec 28, 2008 10:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+100

Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.

by Lyle on Dec 29, 2008 8:17 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Enough depth that the healthy return of Noah Lowry from two arm operations would push Sanchez to the bullpen, he added, and allow the team to revisit trading a pitcher for a big hitter.

Glad to have you back Sabean. Get rid of Sanchez because of Lowry and I’ll kill you.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Dec 29, 2008 1:20 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That sentence really gets rid of all the warm fuzzies.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Dec 29, 2008 1:23 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d hope they’d trade one of them before they move Sanchez to the bullpen for Lowry. Ugh.

I’m still not expecting Noah to be healthy, though.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Dec 29, 2008 1:55 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ve always felt that Sanchez could a really great closer. Before last year I felt that he has no chance as a starter and wanted him to start in the bullpen. But now, after he’s already shown that he can be a good starter, now you want to move him again to bullpen, for like the 7th time in the last two years, just because of Lowry, who – and I say this as one of his biggest fans – hasn’t been good since 2005?

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Dec 29, 2008 2:06 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My head hurts

from slamming it into the wall over and over and over again

Why does Sabean always look constipated?

by TexasRanger on Dec 29, 2008 9:01 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Arm Health

It could be that pitching in the bullpen on a regular basis would be the safest role for Jonathan Sanchez. And as long as his control wasn’t horrible, he could likely be a short-inning force.

But I think the best gamble would be to continue to start Jonathan this season and when he has his likely good season perhaps think about trading him. To trade him now would likely be selling low.

by sharksrog on Dec 29, 2008 11:42 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The problem with this insane talk about moving

Sanchez back to the bullpen is that it destroys his trade value. Why Sabean would even say or infer anything like that, other than to pump up Lowry’s value, is beyond me.

Matt Cain's drinking buddy

by Buck Henry on Dec 29, 2008 12:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

I had forgotten how utterly unintelligent the conversation is at mlbtraderumors.

I can’t believe I read it all.

Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 29, 2008 2:07 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No kidding....

Reading that drivel makes my head hurt…

Hitler was a Dodgers fan.

by The Nick on Dec 29, 2008 2:35 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait a second

So we’re going to trade Sanchez because we can now rely on BOTH Johnson’s back AND Lowry’s arm? This makes sense how?

The more interesting duscussion is that fulfilling Bochy’s hard-on with switching arms, and ordering our newfound rotation of 3 lefties and 2 righties again opens the door for Zito as the 2009 opening day pitcher.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Dec 29, 2008 12:11 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I never condoned the trade. In fact, if you read all my contributions to this thread, I’ve stated that: a) I would like the Giants to keep Sanchez, and b) that I would like some kind of SP return for him, albeit a fourth/fifth starter like Jason Hirsh.

If you are looking for more interesting discussion, maybe try having the discussion we are actually having, instead of making one up because you haven’t read all the available info.

One a football note, nice avatar. And, did Frank Gore break 1,000 yesterday? I haven’t yet picked up the paper.

by StickRat on Dec 29, 2008 1:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess I was just making a blanket statement, not just towards you

And the Zito thing was just me being snarky and making a jab at Bochy (I feel obligated to do so at this point).

Yeah, Gore barely passed the 1K mark, even though he only rushed for like 58 yards. Foster took most of the carries towards the second half of the game, though.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Dec 29, 2008 2:33 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugh....

stupid 49ers, beating the Skins as the clock expired….

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by DbacksSkins on Dec 29, 2008 3:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I usually don’t look at my coach’s ass, but if you say it does…

Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Dec 30, 2008 8:30 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m sure you must mean “awesome 49ers”.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2008 6:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Naturally.

Why? Was there a typo in there?

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by DbacksSkins on Dec 29, 2008 7:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A small one, but let’s not argue semantics.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2008 8:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I haven’t yet picked up the paper.

Really? Sorry if I’m being a dick again, but ever hear of the ol’ internetty? It has news as it happens, instead of a day or two late.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Dec 30, 2008 12:02 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IT’S LIKE THAT SHOW EARLY EDITION!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Dec 30, 2008 7:08 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I UNDERSTAND THIS REFERENCE

GROUGTHINK ALERT

by groug on Dec 30, 2008 3:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Give you Eric Byrnes for Sanchez.

Do we have a deal? Byrnes for Sanchez? Go.

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by DbacksSkins on Dec 29, 2008 3:19 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stephen Drew for Sanchez, and I’ll throw in Brian Bocock. Done.

by StickRat on Dec 29, 2008 3:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Counteroffer:

Stephen Drew and Eric Byrnes for Tim Lincecum and Sanchez. Maybe I’ll even throw in Tony Clark’s “veteran presence”.

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by DbacksSkins on Dec 29, 2008 3:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright, we’re done here. Stay away from my pitchers.

by StickRat on Dec 29, 2008 3:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

joking about lincecum, right?

sorry, I’m terrible at detecting sarcasm over the internet, so I had to check

Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa

by raisingcain on Dec 31, 2008 12:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, I was kinda gonna start out joking about it, but then

start getting a little more serious about the possibility….

Actually, a trade very similar to that one was proposed awhile back.

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by DbacksSkins on Dec 31, 2008 9:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just can’t get my mind off Justin Upton

by wilriv21 on Dec 29, 2008 4:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He IS dreamy

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by DbacksSkins on Dec 29, 2008 4:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He is NOT.

He , however , is.

Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers

by victor frankenstein on Dec 29, 2008 10:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

After all,

“dreamy” is just a synonym for “old”.

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by DbacksSkins on Dec 29, 2008 10:33 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

^^ Doesn’t get it.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2008 11:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don’t worry, Dreamy is just a nickname we use for Vizquel.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Dec 30, 2008 12:05 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"NOW YOU KNOW!"

whoah , twice in one day.
Wait , it’s four AM , so that’s not technically correct.

Damned online addiction , messin’ with my senses.

Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers

by victor frankenstein on Dec 30, 2008 2:49 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Dec 30, 2008 8:32 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rangers

I hear that ya’ll are in need of a bat or two. How about Blalock and David Murphy for Sanchez?

Also, what is with the 24 hr wait after joining before making a post?

Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year

by RangerMad on Dec 29, 2008 5:40 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Left-handed power bats don’t interest me, unless we’re talking Ryan Howard-type power.

by StickRat on Dec 29, 2008 5:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They need to run a background check. This process takes somewhere between18-20 hours or so.

by wilriv21 on Dec 29, 2008 5:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How'd YOU slip through , you ol' deviant?

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Is it always the man with the gun?
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by victor frankenstein on Dec 30, 2008 2:51 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Grandfathered in, Hashimoto

by wilriv21 on Jan 2, 2009 7:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

According to stickrat

the Giants don’t need a left-handed power bat. :)

Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year

by RangerMad on Dec 29, 2008 6:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Davis may have enough power to qualify.

Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
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by raisingcain on Dec 29, 2008 7:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Absolutely

Davis falls in the Howard-type power category. But I’d rather wait a year and trade for Justin Smoak.

by StickRat on Dec 30, 2008 1:34 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beggars can't be choosers

If the Rangers bit, I’d take either one for Sanchez

Wall-E for Best Picture 2008

by Useful_Idiot on Dec 30, 2008 8:48 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At this point, Sanchez for Davis seems like an even trade. A couple years down the road though, Sanchez could be a Cy Young caliber pitcher. I don’t think Davis will ever be an MVP caliber player. He has tremendous power, but his OBP and defense would concern me.

by StickRat on Dec 30, 2008 1:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d be surprised if Sanchez ever became Cy Young caliber, but Davis looks likes he’ll be a monster of a hitter for years to come.

Wall-E for Best Picture 2008

by Useful_Idiot on Dec 30, 2008 5:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Davis

Rajai?

Leading the Pro-Aaron Rowand contingent on the McC!
You can ridicule me in 2009 if you like...

by ThrillisGone22 on Jan 4, 2009 11:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ew, no

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by marcello on Dec 30, 2008 12:07 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You guys seem to forget about our minor leaguers

Sanchez or Cain are expendable for a bat because we have Alderson and Bumgarner no more than two years away. Those two will be ready soon enough. I don’t want to trade Sanchez or Cain, but dammit, we can’t survive with a lineup like this for much longer… We at some point will need to sign or trade for a big bat. Lord knows there aren’t any ready soon.

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by dantheman85x on Jan 7, 2009 8:56 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big 3

The Giants would have enough hitting if they signed Manny Ramirez, Adam Dunn and Bobby Abreu. And they would have enough money to do so if not for Zito, Winn, Roberts and Rowand.

The Giants’ signing so far this off-season seem to be good overall, but they still need at LEAST one big hitter — and realistically they need a trio. But if the Giants sign one big hitter and the Dodgers don’t, I could see the Giants as NL West favorites or at least co-favorites.

by sharksrog on Jan 7, 2009 11:35 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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