We're decent, but we should consider......

by Carmelballin on Dec 27, 2008 8:13 PM PST Comment 39 comments

I've always believed that the Giants are a team that should spend close to 150 million dollars a year, but it seems like they never do. If they do, it has been for washed up guys like the Moises Alou's of the world (no offense Moises, literally... get it get it?).

Here's what I feel about the Giants offseason:

1. I thought it was important that the Giants signed two relievers. They arn't the greatest, but I feel that it will help us immensly. For how good of a season Brain Wilson had last year, I am skeptical if he can come back with the same production. I don't doubt him too much, but if anything does go wrong or he stumbles out of the game, Affeldt can always close. But I think Wilson will be alright.

2. The Randy Johnson signing was great!! What can be better, we have nothing to lose with this signing. What? Only 1 year, and 8 million? It's not like the Giants are asking him to be the number one or two starter. With Lincecum, Cain, Johnson, Zito, Sanchez (or Lowry), we may hav eth best rotation in baseball.

3. As far as the offense, I really feel that the Giants should either:

a) Sign Pat Burrell

b) Trade for a position player. Why not Adrian Gonzalez for Jonathan Sanchez and maybe another minor leaguer. Now I usually dont like the idea of trading away young guys, but this may be worth it. It all of course depends on how Noah Lowry is doing.

If our offense stays the same as it is now, I think the best lineup would be:

1. RF Randy Winn

2. 2B Emmanuel Burriss

3. 3B Pablo Sandoval

4. CF Aaron Rowand

5. C Bengie Molina

6. SS Edgar Renteria

7. LF Fred Lewis

8. 1B Travis Ishikawa

Now I know that this isn't the greatest offensive team, but I think it has the capability of producing enough runs for our starters. Also, in a year or two we have Angel Villalona and Buster Posey coming up.

If the Giants keep the lineup as is, and with their pitching, I predict them to go

91-71 and win the NL West

And I always believe, once you make the playoffs it's all fair game because if you have 2-3 solid starters that's what it's all about.

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With the roster the way it is, how many games will the Giants win this season?

Below 50

3 votes

50-60

0 votes

61-70

3 votes

71-80

68 votes

81-90

78 votes

91-100

2 votes

100+ Baby!!

9 votes

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Why not Adrian Gonzalez for Jonathan Sanchez and maybe another minor leaguer.

Because this would never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever happen.

GROUGTHINK ALERT

by groug on Dec 27, 2008 8:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

that's where he lost me, too.

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 27, 2008 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I was going to argue that point too.

I believe if Adrian and/or Jake get traded it will be to LAA.

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by Giant among Angels on Dec 27, 2008 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm really not sure I was emphatic enough

GROUGTHINK ALERT

by groug on Dec 27, 2008 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I know! I mean, Jonathan Sanchez isn’t a minor leaguer.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Dec 27, 2008 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, they would do it

Yes, the Padres would trade Adrian Gonzales for Jonathan Sanchez and a minor leaguer, if that minor leaguer were Madison Bumgarner or perhaps Buster Posey.

by sharksrog on Dec 28, 2008 12:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That’s the thing. They’re really not in a rush to trade Adrian because he’s cheap (I read somewhere he’s due to make $4.5m next year). On top of that, we’d have to pay an extra premium price because he’s in the division. I’d bet it would take Sanchez + Bumgarner/Posey + Alderson. And no way do I make that trade.

by cornball on Dec 28, 2008 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

“I’m Brian Sabean. Go f*** yourselves, San Diego!”

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by Useful_Idiot on Dec 28, 2008 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you serious?

Sanchez and Bumgarner for Adrian Gonzalez? Let me drive Sabean to the office and give him the pen to sign that trade.

by wilriv21 on Dec 28, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Can we stop fake trading Jonathan Sanchez already?

We don't really have that much pitching depth. We don't really have that much pitching depth. FOR GOD SAKE, VERUCA, DON'T GO FAKE TRADING JONATHAN SANCHEZ. We don't really have that much pitching depth

by oldjacket on Dec 28, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, really

everyone, back to fake Cain trades

Wall-E for Best Picture 2008

by Useful_Idiot on Dec 28, 2008 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe sanchez + takeagiantstepandgo could land us Adrian.

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by The Thrill on Dec 27, 2008 9:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

gotta throw in the people who keep proposing to trade cain or sanchez for less than they’re worth or supertrolls like jeff fuller…

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all.

by baetown415 on Dec 27, 2008 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

what can we get for jeff fuller, takeagiantstepandgo, Barry Zito, a player to be named later, a minor leaguer and cash considerations?

by sam23 on Dec 28, 2008 2:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

what do you think about Sanchez for Smoak? Granted we’re putting our hopes on AV but Smoak seems pretty legit and I wouldn’t be too unhappy throwing one of them into the OF.

by SeeingStars on Dec 27, 2008 10:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

We’d have to wait until next year to trade for Smoak, since drafted players can’t get traded until after 1 year of their drafting (or maybe coming to terms… I forget).

Also, they’d both probably be bad in the outfield, and I’d rather not have that.

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all.

by baetown415 on Dec 27, 2008 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Things I don't understand

I’ve always believed that the Giants are a team that should spend close to 150 million dollars a year, but it seems like they never do. If they do, it has been for washed up guys like the Moises Alou’s of the world (no offense Moises, literally… get it get it?).

The first sentence I have no comment on, but are you trying to say that Alou wasn’t good offensively? He was great offensively for us. His problem was staying healthy.

This:

As far as the offense, I really feel that the Giants should either:
a) Sign Pat Burrell
b) Trade for a position player. Why not Adrian Gonzalez for Jonathan Sanchez and maybe another minor leaguer. Now I usually dont like the idea of trading away young guys, but this may be worth it. It all of course depends on how Noah Lowry is doing.

combined with this:

If the Giants keep the lineup as is, and with their pitching, I predict them to go 91-71 and win the NL West

Why do we need to add a bat if you think we’ll win 91 games in a division that might be won by an 81 win team? Nevermind that adding Burrell or trading Sanchez for Gonzalez are probably zero net sum moves at best.

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by marcello on Dec 27, 2008 10:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Are you saying that Sanchez for Gonzalez straight up would be a zero net sum move? Obviously that trade would never go down- I’m just trying to clarify

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by Useful_Idiot on Dec 28, 2008 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes. The difference between Sanchez and his internal replacement, and the difference between Gonzalez and Ishi + Phelps, is probably negligible.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

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by marcello on Dec 29, 2008 12:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Arguably this year

Probably not over the long haul.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Dec 29, 2008 1:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Which way do you mean?

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by marcello on Dec 29, 2008 1:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Basically, in the long run, if we trade Sanchez for Gonzales we’ll have 2 open rotation slots. If we don’t, we’ll have 1 open rotation slot and 1 open first base job. I feel that our chances of developing 2 good pitchers are bigger than our chances of developing a good pitcher and a good 1B. Am I making sense?

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Dec 29, 2008 2:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I see what you mean

However, first base is a really easy position to fill. As great as our pitching prospects are, and our ability to develop them is, there is a lot more risk.

Basically, I don’t really think the difference between those two scenarios is much.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Dec 29, 2008 2:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So you say we go 91-71..

but you didn’t vote for 91-100 in the poll?

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by Azmanz on Dec 27, 2008 10:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

lineup

When Lewis is back healthy, he should bat much higher than seventh. He was one of our better hitters last year.

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by raisingcain on Dec 27, 2008 11:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

True that

The big mistake in the lineup above is batting Emmanuel Burriss second. Shouldn’t your worst hitter bat eighth? I probably wouldn’t even bat Kevin Frandsen second, but he would be a much better choice than Emmanuel IMO.

Since Sandoval isn’t likely to get on base much but could put a little fear into opponents as an RBI man, he should move down. That would allow Edgard Renteria to bat second and Fred Lewis third (or vice versa).

by sharksrog on Dec 28, 2008 1:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I often wonder how you folk come up with your predictions.

Since Sandoval isn’t likely to get on base much…

Look , I’m doing it again.

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by victor frankenstein on Dec 28, 2008 8:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sandoval’s obp is mostly batting average driven, since he rarely walks. He’s due for some regression from last season (most likely), and that means there’s a good chance he won’t get on base a whole lot. I think most projections have him batting around .280 (not sure though, maybe 1 said more like .300). But remember that last season his isolated obp was .012

Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
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by raisingcain on Dec 28, 2008 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs