Randy Johnson Is a Giant. Also, a Giant.
by Grant
on Dec 27, 2008 10:24 AM PST
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The Good:
For starters, Randy Johnson. The guy is 45, but he can still pitch. After missing most of 2007 with back surgery, Johnson came back to pitch 184 strong innings. He still has one of the highest strikeout rates among starting pitchers, and his control is still good. The Giants have four of the best strikeout pitchers in the league in their rotation. That's the best way to minimize the possibility of a porous infield defense.
The Bad:
Nothing comes to mind. There will always be a few folks who think that if the Giants didn't spend $8M on Randy Johnson, they'd be able to put the entire Dominican Republic on retainer, but I doubt this money isn't taking anything away from the developmental budget. Everything about this move makes sense. The Giants needed a fifth starter, but they didn't want to commit long-term to another pitcher with four rotation spots set in stone and two top pitching prospects on the way.
The Ugly:
Do I have to? Yeah, I suppose I do.
I mean, we are going to have to watch this guy for a while.
Fantastic, low-risk move. If Johnson's back goes wonky, the Giants will go with whatever in-house fifth starter they were thinking about in the first place. Kevin Pucetas? Joe Martinez? Other, Other? There's less pressure on that bunch, and they can prove their worthiness in Fresno before a trial of fire. And by "fire," I mean "slow groundballs finding their way between third base and short."
Right now, there's a spaceship entering the orbit of Fxcxxx 9. On the ship, a goateed man is held in suspended animation, thinking about how to sign Joe McEwing to fill Travis Denker's roster spot. In the meantime, we'll enjoy Pod Person Sabean and his sensible offseason moves.
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I’m very, very happy with this move. $8 mil. One year. We don’t lose a draft pick. This also makes moving Puentes or Sanchez much easier to swallow. Though I firmly believe we should try trading lesser prospects to the over-staked Yanks for Swisher. Suddenly we have a team. Vamos Gigantes!
By the way Grant, I live/play in a band with your old friend Ryan Offield.
by Wonderboy26 on
Dec 27, 2008 10:46 AM PST
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I think I’d rather give Randy Johnson a wet, sloppy kiss than live with Offield, but that’s just because I picture Offield leaving his dirty undies in the tub…on his good days. Tell him I said hey. I haven’t seen that guy in far too long.
by Grant on
Dec 27, 2008 10:56 AM PST
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No undies in the tub…but he did drunkenly put his pants in the fridge a few weeks back. Not kidding.
by Wonderboy26 on
Dec 27, 2008 11:39 AM PST
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Makes sense. He was voted “Most Likely to Drunkenly Put His Pants in the Fridge” in high school.
by Grant on
Dec 27, 2008 3:33 PM PST
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We had “Likely to Have the Most Kids” at my high school. And a guy voted Most Likely to be a Raiderette.
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by jcb9 on
Dec 27, 2008 3:52 PM PST
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who is "puentes?"
pucetas?
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
by raisingcain on
Dec 27, 2008 11:32 AM PST
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Yeah, my bad. I was thinkin of Tito Fuentes.
by Wonderboy26 on
Dec 27, 2008 11:54 AM PST
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The last few years of Giants baseball have given me a pathological hatred of players older than I am (28), but this is kinda cool.
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by jcb9 on
Dec 27, 2008 10:59 AM PST
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There is a lot more potential for making fun of Randy Johnson than any other pitcher on the market not named Livan. The upside is his potential for laughs is due to his age and his horrendous physical appearance, not his pitching.
by satyricrash on
Dec 27, 2008 11:18 AM PST
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Has anyone come up with a good nickname for this guy yet?
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
by WTF on
Dec 27, 2008 11:28 AM PST
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Is “Randy Johnson” taken yet? Get it? It’s like he’s got a horny penis. I hope my clarification helped in as graphic a way as possible.
by lincypoo i wuv u on
Dec 29, 2008 2:21 AM PST
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Oh yeah, and the whole ‘big unit’ thing too. I’ll let you guys try to guess what that means.
by lincypoo i wuv u on
Dec 29, 2008 2:22 AM PST
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Warren Spahn, Steve Carlton, & Randy Johnson all have one more thing in common…
You probably know it as MYANMAR, but it will always be BURMA to me!
by NuschlerFace on
Dec 27, 2008 11:39 AM PST
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So do Randy Johnson, Mark Davis, and Erick Threets
(hard-throwing lefty pitchers from Livermore who have/will pitched for the Giants)
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by jcb9 on
Dec 27, 2008 11:48 AM PST
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Warren Spahn, Steve Carlton, & Randy Johnson all have one more thing in common…
Their first and last names all start with consonants?
Ceci n'est pas une signature.
by DbacksSkins on
Dec 29, 2008 7:33 AM PST
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That’s just a media-rumor. It’s not true at all!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Dec 29, 2008 8:03 AM PST
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unless he can hit 50 dingers
i dont see how this helps the team
you people are all kool aide drinkers
by bacci40 on
Dec 27, 2008 11:40 AM PST
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We drink the assistant to Kool cigarettes or what?
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by jcb9 on
Dec 27, 2008 11:43 AM PST
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you don’t see how adding another pitcher to the rotation who is likely to have an ERA+ over 100, thereby kicking out likely replacement-level pitchers like Pucetas/Martinez/etc. helps?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on
Dec 27, 2008 11:44 AM PST
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Change the record, Bacci
That one is skipping.
You know this is a good signing. It’s OK to admit the Giants get things right every once in a while.
by Lars The Wanderer on
Dec 27, 2008 11:46 AM PST
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It would be interesting to know if Bacci has ever had a positive post. This seems in keeping with his ’inner Bacci."
by allfrank on
Dec 27, 2008 4:32 PM PST
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Improving a single roster spot clearly doesn’t help.
It might not help significantly, but that’s not really the point with this move. Like, in any way.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Dec 27, 2008 11:56 AM PST
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Skipping past respectful disagreement and interesting discourse to outright acting like a jackass.
Nice.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
Dec 27, 2008 3:22 PM PST
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Anything a player who is probably a better player
than the one he is replacing, won’t help the team?
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on
Dec 27, 2008 3:56 PM PST
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CAIN 4 FIELDER
FIELDER HITS DINGERZ
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on
Dec 27, 2008 4:54 PM PST
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CAIN 4 MY 1ST GIRLFRIEND
I THINK SHE HAD HAD AT LEAST 50 DINGERZ WHEN I MET HER
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
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by marcello on
Dec 27, 2008 6:00 PM PST
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Then what do you expect them to do?
Spend phantom money to get a 50-HR player, or trade some of their best young pitchers to get one?
by AmorVincitOmnia on
Dec 28, 2008 6:23 PM PST
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How many people hit 50 HR's?
At first I thought what you wrote was sarcasm, and I thought, “well played”. Then I saw who posted it. Thanks for dropping by again.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
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by marcello on
Dec 29, 2008 1:19 AM PST
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Poll idea for after Johnson leaves the team
Who is the ug;iest Giants pitcher of all time?
A. Randy Johnson
B. Julian Tavarez
C. ?
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by jcb9 on
Dec 27, 2008 11:44 AM PST
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Barry Zito
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all.
by baetown415 on
Dec 27, 2008 12:33 PM PST
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Willie McGee has to be on this list somewhere.
Loved me some Double Ug.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on
Dec 27, 2008 12:43 PM PST
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1 vote for Penitentiary Face
by Lars The Wanderer on
Dec 27, 2008 12:44 PM PST
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Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.
by SF Pete on
Dec 28, 2008 12:02 PM PST
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Willie McGee was a pitcher!?
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by jcb9 on
Dec 27, 2008 12:51 PM PST
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Reading Comprehension failure on my part.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on
Dec 27, 2008 12:56 PM PST
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doesn't matter
As an SAT tutor, I can tell you that Randy is sufficiently ugly to obviate the need for any niggling details of reading comprehension. Consider yourself vindicated!
I got one word for you: "youneverknow"
by senorvegas on
Dec 27, 2008 5:48 PM PST
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Yes, not a pitcher….
but, didn’t Willie always look like he had shit smeared under his nose resulting in that “what is that funk? face”
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
Jeremy Affeldt Ready To Make His Father Proud
by Giant among Angels on
Dec 27, 2008 8:20 PM PST
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After Johnson my vote is Benito Santiago for ugly mugs
by Charming Devil on
Dec 28, 2008 9:52 AM PST
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oh my, yes.
I still find Julian Tavarez unattractive, which no doubt will be a relief to him.
by shanghaijim on
Dec 28, 2008 7:28 PM PST
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Keith Law loves the move:
Law hasn’t said a bad thing about any of the Giants moves thus far in the offseason. I think the apocalypse is near.
by deuce deuce on
Dec 27, 2008 11:45 AM PST
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He also loved our draft.
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by jcb9 on
Dec 27, 2008 11:45 AM PST
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Yea, but Law has liked the Giants drafts for the past few seasons. Before this, it was extremely rare that he agreed with any free agent signings in previous offseasons that the Giants made, and rightfully so.
by deuce deuce on
Dec 27, 2008 11:49 AM PST
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Law said that if we get one more bat either for 2nd, 1st, or 3rd. that we will be in the 87-90 win area.
at best
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
Jeremy Affeldt Ready To Make His Father Proud
by Giant among Angels on
Dec 27, 2008 12:10 PM PST
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signing another bat would be nice
but, i think the Giants, particularly, Frandsen, Lewis and Ishiphelps will suprise with their performances and make the offense better than expected
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
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Dec 27, 2008 1:11 PM PST
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The draft was good tho.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
Dec 27, 2008 3:16 PM PST
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His blog too
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on
Dec 27, 2008 12:54 PM PST
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I'm in love with moving young pitching to the majors as much as anyone,
but why shouldn’t the Giants sign experienced, innings-eating veterans for 1-2 year deals right now and allow Pucetas. Martinez, English, Alderson, and Bumgarner to move their way through the system wisely and develop normally instead of being rushed too fast? We’ve had enough Bococking of late, and I don’t want to see a system that can be 10-deep in real or potential starters by the end of 2009 be suddenly ruined for rushing minor league pitchers too fast to the big club.
Matt Cain's drinking buddy
by Buck Henry on
Dec 27, 2008 11:53 AM PST
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Silly me, I forgot about Henry Sosa as well.
Matt Cain's drinking buddy
by Buck Henry on
Dec 27, 2008 12:14 PM PST
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yes
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
Dec 27, 2008 3:40 PM PST
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Cool.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Dec 27, 2008 11:56 AM PST
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Is it just me, or is RJ looking slightly more attractive in this picture?
Also known to haunt as theghostoftravisdenker and theaccidentalghostofsergioromo.
by theghostofjasonellison on
Dec 27, 2008 12:11 PM PST
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[Peers over parapet]
Wow. I can honestly say I didn’t expect such a tidal wave of enthusiasm. Now, I know it’s great to steal a free agent from a divisional rival ‘n’ all, but at the risk of lobbing a bucket of reality-flavored water onto the celebrations, this is a pitcher who has done the following over the past three seasons
2006:
First half ERA 5.13
Second half ERA 4.85
2007
First half: only pitched 56.2 innings
Second half: did not pitch at all
2008
First half: 5.23 ERA
Second half: 2.41 ERA
Really, Johnson has had one-half of a good campaign over the past three years. It just happened to be the last one. So to be blunt, rather you than us, to risk $8m or more on rolling a six on a dice. It’ll certainly make the rivalry a bit more interesting this year: with Bonds not being about in 2008, the division seemed a bit bland! Well, until Manny showed up and we could all join forces and focus our hatred there… ;-)
by Jim McLennan on
Dec 27, 2008 12:34 PM PST
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However, the Giants signed RJ to fill their hole at 5th starter. I would have rather signed RJ to a one year, low risk deal rather than almost any other FA starter out there
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
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Dec 27, 2008 12:37 PM PST
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No way Sabean signed RJ to fill their hole as a 5th starter. The proof is they guaranteed $8MM with the possibility of the salary going as high as $13MM. They have RJ penciled in as the #2 starter. Sabean is expecting as least 175 innings from RJ. And the Giants already have another very expensive 5th starter.
by wilriv21 on
Dec 27, 2008 3:31 PM PST
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The giants had 4 starters penciled in with no 5th. They could have resigned kevin correia, a true 5th starter. They signed Randy Johnson, a 3rd starter.
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Dec 27, 2008 5:13 PM PST
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so what you're saying is
Sabean wanted the Big Unit to fill his hole?
sorry.
by Viliphied on
Dec 27, 2008 11:11 PM PST
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It’s a Firefly reference.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Dec 28, 2008 9:14 AM PST
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OH!!
Of course! It’s from that episode where they talked to the guy and that thing happened.
by Natto on
Dec 28, 2008 12:25 PM PST
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In space.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Dec 28, 2008 7:09 PM PST
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nah
you must be thinking of a different episode.
by lincypoo i wuv u on
Dec 29, 2008 2:25 AM PST
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Not so much reality flavored as essence of sour grapes.
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Dec 27, 2008 12:40 PM PST
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also, I’m curious, how strapped for cash are the D’Backs this offseason? it seems to me like the 8 mil would have been more of a problem for Arizona than SF, but I have only hear they are strapped for cash, I don’t know how badly
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Dec 27, 2008 12:49 PM PST
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I was also shocked at their not offering Dunn arbitration. Been a strange off season with the Astros as well. Wolf & Wigginton should not have been that hard of choice to keep if only to flip for a bunch of minor leaguers.
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by daveinexile on
Dec 27, 2008 12:59 PM PST
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“Come see YOUR 2009 DIAMONDBACKS today at 7:10 at Yournamehere Field…”
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on
Dec 27, 2008 2:14 PM PST
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You left off the “Please!…we’re begging you!” part.
by Lars The Wanderer on
Dec 27, 2008 2:17 PM PST
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Yournamehere Field?
Most amusing, coming from the team which has played in PacBell, SBC and AT&T Park in less than a decade. Without actually moving.
by Jim McLennan on
Dec 27, 2008 5:18 PM PST
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Not so amusing when you consider all of those names are really the same company.
by Lars The Wanderer on
Dec 27, 2008 5:22 PM PST
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And, since it seems you hadn't noticed
Bank One got taken over by JP Morgan Chase and Co in 2004, meaning Bank One and Chase are the same company too.
So, your point being…?
by Jim McLennan on
Dec 27, 2008 6:27 PM PST
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I’ll get back to you when phone companies start asking for bailout money.
by Lars The Wanderer on
Dec 27, 2008 6:56 PM PST
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Or destroy the world economy and send Iceland spiraling into poverty.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on
Dec 27, 2008 7:32 PM PST
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Save the Icelanders!
That story in the Journal today was both sad and dumbfounding.
by cornball on
Dec 27, 2008 8:38 PM PST
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Best reply ever.
Go Fred Lewis... You're better than the alternative... Yippee...
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on
Dec 27, 2008 7:48 PM PST
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Not be an internerd,
but dude got pwnd
by bondslegend on
Dec 28, 2008 10:26 PM PST
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Maybe in SF
That counts as pwnd, but from the recipient’s end, it seemed more like being savaged by a dead sheep… :-)
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Dec 29, 2008 4:30 PM PST
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Cept i live in Fargo
what’s it like there?
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Dec 29, 2008 10:36 PM PST
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From where I’m sitting, he has one of the best K/BB ratios around, he’s had an ERA under 4.00 4 of the last 5 years, and opponents’ OPS has been under .725 for the last five years running.
He’s also 45, and could fall apart at anytime, but since we already have good front of the rotation starters in Lincecum and Cain, it seems like a pretty good risk to take for one year.
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Dec 27, 2008 12:49 PM PST
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That's really the key there
a pretty good risk to take for one year
Not a risk we were prepared to take, at the price. To answer Speedforthewin too, $8m would basically have used up our free-agent budget and left us with someone like Chris “.196” Burke starting at second-base. Fine, if Randy turned out to be both healthy and effective, but I’m guessing there were big enough question-marks to make us back off taking that chance.
by Jim McLennan on
Dec 27, 2008 12:58 PM PST
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makes sense
especially given that Arizona could trot out a rotation of Webb, Haren, Davis, Scherzer and Petit and be fine. The Giants don’t know if Lowry will be healthy, and have two pitchers who could use some more seasoning in Joe Martinez and Kevin Pucetas who would have been the other candidates for the 5th starter spot. It makes sense for both sides. btw, wouldn’t Felipe Lopez start at second, not Burke?
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Dec 27, 2008 1:03 PM PST
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Lopez will start now
But that was part of the reason we could offer Lopez $4.5m, was because we hadn’t put it all into the Johnson basket. We’re really reliant on Scherzer stepping up and replacing Johnson in the rotation: that’s our throw of the dice right there, but it’s a minimum-wage one!
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Dec 27, 2008 1:13 PM PST
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Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
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Dec 27, 2008 1:16 PM PST
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We're still supposed to be looking for a starter
But I really doubt we’ll find much decent i.e. better than Petit, in the price-range. Might go to the back of the bullpen, and also to the bench in the shape of [shudder] Tony Clark.
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Dec 27, 2008 1:19 PM PST
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I don’t think Clark would be a fit given your tight budget, would he?
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Dec 27, 2008 1:23 PM PST
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750K for a year
Is the kind of level we’re talking, I believe. Shouldn’t be an issue.
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Dec 27, 2008 5:19 PM PST
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Martinez is more of a crock-pot meat.
We don't really have that much pitching depth. We don't really have that much pitching depth. FOR GOD SAKE, VERUCA, DON'T GO FAKE TRADING JONATHAN SANCHEZ. We don't really have that much pitching depth
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Dec 27, 2008 2:39 PM PST
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Wait… what does this have to do with the rivalry? It’s a very low risk, low investment move on the Giants’ part. Even if Johnson’s back kerplodes and he plays two preseason games, we don’t really lose out in any way.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Dec 27, 2008 12:49 PM PST
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ERA doesn’t tell the hole story. Johnson has maintained good peripheral stats over the last 3 15 years. 2006 was definitely one of the worst years of his career, but he still maintained above average K and BB numbers, and the 5.00 was a fluke. Since then he’s only improved. And no I will not press your link.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
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Dec 27, 2008 12:52 PM PST
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"Since then he’s only improved."
Because, of course, that’s what players naturally do in their mid-40’s. :-)
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Dec 27, 2008 1:00 PM PST
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Subtle , lol
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on
Dec 27, 2008 2:09 PM PST
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Hush you. He is blessings us all with “reality flavored water”!
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Dec 27, 2008 2:10 PM PST
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Well
It’s more like regression than improvement. He basically had one off year and then returned to form. Then again, he was injured in 2007, and then suddenly recovered completely a year later, at age 45. But he’s a freak of nature anyway. And more importantly, I don’t care.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on
Dec 27, 2008 2:45 PM PST
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Also, PARK effects
Even in that year with that 5 ERA, Johnson’s ERA+ was 90. That’s is only slightly worse than the average 4th starter. For a team that wants to contend, it is pretty acceptable coming from a 5th starter, ie a contending team should generally try to do better than average, especially one with a poor offense.
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ERA N WINZ
ONLY THINGZ THAT ARE MATTARZ FOAR PITCHERZ
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/Puts hands over ears and starts lalaing loudly
Why does Sabean always look constipated?
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Dec 27, 2008 1:10 PM PST
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Clean that mess up , we gots Visiting Dignitaries!
Horry shirt , it’s James McLennan…the Grantof Az SnakePit.
(genuflects)
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
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Dec 27, 2008 2:04 PM PST
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Would Grant use ERA to evaluate a pitcher’s performance?
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Dec 27, 2008 2:07 PM PST
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He would at first, but would think better of it after placing a call to the STATS lair
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Dec 27, 2008 2:17 PM PST
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yes
Especially for female pitchers, as Grant is a strong supporter of civil rights, especially for women.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
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Dec 28, 2008 5:20 AM PST
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Clean that mess up , we gots Visiting Dignitaries!
What am I? Chopped liver?
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Dec 29, 2008 11:07 PM PST
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Someone in the future said you were a whore.
You shud kik that guyz ass…or better yet , have him work both sides of the ’Pit war.
Just between you and me – why does James perpetuate that?
Is he angling for public support? Is he hoping that some of the rest of you will vocally rally to his side? Because they seem to be playing to a rapt house. Or am I missing something?
(Shakes head slowly) Well , I once thought it beneath him. Actually , no…I got a flash of his inner tenacity some time back concerning Josh Hamilton.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
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Dec 30, 2008 7:40 PM PST
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War?
I must have missed that memo. I’ll flip that question back at you. Why do you bother posting on the ’Pit? Especially given that some of your comments – as you freely admit – border on trolling.
Personally, sometimes it’s interesting to quiz other fans about the moves their team make, as their perspective can be radically different. If Grant feels that counts as a “war”, I’ll happily withdraw. I have way too much respect for him to instigate anything like that. Though actually, the fans here have been far more friendly to us visitors than on certain NL West sites I could mention…
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Dec 31, 2008 8:08 AM PST
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No...
I think by “’Pit war”, vic was referring specifically to you and ’hacks.
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Dec 31, 2008 9:49 AM PST
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Oh, *that*...
Two people with strong opinions, often in opposite directions, who hang out in the same places. I’m not trying to change ‘hacks mind – I pretty much gave up on that – but it’s more for the neutrals who might be swayed by his…let’s just say “opinions”, and leave it at that.
Here is, however, probably not the correct place for any further discussion of this. Despite ’Skins having posted a bevy of helpful links in another post. :-(
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Dec 31, 2008 10:31 AM PST
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Just in case you do return...
…why Grant gets dragged into this is beyond my comprehension.
(My apologies , Chief.)
If I’m considered a "troll’ on the ‘Pit – well , not much I can do to sway that opinion other than keep troll-like comments to myself , which I actually believe I have. But that can be looked at as a biased assessment. (The "trolling motor’ thing is , of course , self deprecatory humor.)
Of course , one man’s good natured poke (The uniform colors changing , fr’ instance) is another’s mean – spirited slam. Tone and intent are perpetually misinterpreted online , and sometimes no matter what you say you’re inanely judged by your allegiance to some sports organization other than that which the forum represents…not that that ever happens , lol
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Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
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Jan 1, 2009 12:49 PM PST
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Just to clarify
I mistook your ‘war’ reference to refer to the discussions here. Sorry ’bout that.
Your second paragraph should probably be branded across the top of every online forum…
by Jim McLennan on
Jan 1, 2009 7:34 PM PST
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Hey , we’re good. Let’s not drag this out.
And I never saw you here.
Can I get the door for you?
(Genuflects with one hand while crossing his fingers behind his back with the other)
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on
Jan 1, 2009 8:26 PM PST
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Hmmm....
You of all people should know that Jim can have a temper, just like any of us, especially when he’s passionate about something, and Diamondhacks also seems to get a kick out of rubbing him the wrong way.
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by DbacksSkins on
Dec 31, 2008 9:46 AM PST
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You need to took at PARK EFFECTS
Raw ERA in an extreme park like Arizona is deceptive.
For example, in 2006, when Johnson ended up with a 5 ERA, league average in Arizona was 4.50. From a 4th starter that is slightly below average. From a 5th starter, it’s above average, if not a contending team. If a contending team, acceptable / decent.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
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Dec 27, 2008 4:03 PM PST
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Er...
In 2006, he was with the Yankees, not in Arizona, which is a much more pitcher-friendly park than Chase. Though the AL/NL difference would balance that out to a certain degree.
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Dec 27, 2008 4:24 PM PST
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Yeah, ok, looked at the columns wrong
But, that league average 4.50 ERA was in Yankee stadium.
From a 5th starter, it’s above average, if not on a contending team. If a contending team, acceptable / decent.
The typical 5th starter is absolutely horrendous.
Also, $8M for 1 year is basically market rate for a slightly below average player. If Johnson can produce an ERA of around 4.3-4.4 over about 180 IP with the Giants, he’s basically worth that contract.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
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Dec 27, 2008 9:44 PM PST
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Any word on the incentives?
I’d agree: $8m is likely good value, if Johnson remains healthy. However, it seems there are $5m in incentives also available: if those are easily attainable (and I haven’t heard specifics), then you’re looking at $13m…which is not your slightly below-average player! Anyone know what those incentives are yet?
by Jim McLennan on
Dec 28, 2008 9:41 AM PST
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No specific word, but it seems that $2.5m are for performance and the other half is for awards. So, if Randy performs well, it’s likely a $10.5m contract, which is hardly outrageous for a top-3 starter, which is what he is likely to be in SF.
by cornball on
Dec 28, 2008 9:44 AM PST
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If he attains the performance and award incentives, I would say that it’s likely that he was not a below-average player.
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Dec 28, 2008 12:36 PM PST
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By definition --
otherwise, they would have set the incentives bar higher.
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Dec 28, 2008 4:08 PM PST
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I'm in
I Love this move. However, i need to make a quick memo to Sabes:
Attn Sabes:
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES ARE YOU TO TRADE JONATHAN SANCHEZ…YET.
Todd Jennings: If he's on the DL, he can't suck as much, right?
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Dec 27, 2008 12:35 PM PST
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Johnson puts the 40-man Roster at 41
When do they have to make a move and who will be cut?
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Dec 27, 2008 1:18 PM PST
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I think the cut will come down to Bocock, Ochoa or Perdomo being sent back to the cardinals
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Dec 27, 2008 1:21 PM PST
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/ puts down a shekel to join the pool
Should be Roberts will be Rohlinger
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
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Dec 27, 2008 1:26 PM PST
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Rohlinger!
what would Judy Steffes say!
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Dec 27, 2008 1:29 PM PST
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Anyone read the agent’s comment about how he wanted to pitch for a team that plays the Dbacks?? Looks like he’s bitter and going to be extra psyched for his starts against them. That should be fun to watch.
Brian Sabean's dad- will make a few phone calls to help his son find a new job after next season
by rxmeister on
Dec 27, 2008 1:18 PM PST
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Radio Listeners
support the signing.
Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.
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Dec 27, 2008 1:34 PM PST
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He’ll be pretty on the radio.
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Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
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Dec 27, 2008 2:08 PM PST
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That’s almost enough to make reconsider my stance. Almost.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on
Dec 27, 2008 3:48 PM PST
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Great move
Why do I get worried when Sabean is essentially 5 for 5 this offseason?
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Dec 27, 2008 2:46 PM PST
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His BABIP is way too high
Some regression is due.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
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Dec 27, 2008 2:48 PM PST
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I’m so confused by this rash of good decision making.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
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Dec 27, 2008 3:26 PM PST
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but tell me why u get rid of barry at 43 and bring in a 45 yr old???
(I’m just going to copy and paste this sfgiants.com article comment until I tire of it…)
by Grant on
Dec 27, 2008 3:44 PM PST
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There’s always Denker to complain about!
I don’t really understand tendering Taschner, either,
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Dec 27, 2008 3:54 PM PST
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Looks like nobody has adopted him yet.
Looks like I’ll be putting Eric Surcamp on waivers for 1 year of a man that is old enough to be my father!
Proud father of Eric Surcamp!
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Dec 27, 2008 3:18 PM PST
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You’re a little late, sorry. BTW, is Surkamp intentionally misspelled in your sig?
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Dec 27, 2008 6:06 PM PST
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Thank goodness we've signed Randy Johnson
Now we can afford to trade Barry Zito and Matt Cain. I’ve got a few trade proposals.
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Dec 27, 2008 3:24 PM PST
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Please don’t make me fling poo at you.
;)
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on
Dec 27, 2008 3:49 PM PST
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Sweet.
Might this not have future use for imploding bull pen appearances and Giants Pitching Units that refuse to throw strikes for prolonged periods?
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on
Dec 28, 2008 9:14 AM PST
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While I like the move, it’s sad that Johnson is getting only $1 million more (in base salary) than Durham did when he was here. I’m not sure what the figure states: Durham was grossly overpaid, Johnson’s not getting enough, or the market is so screwy. Maybe all three.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
Dec 27, 2008 3:38 PM PST
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Randy Johnson 2009 > AJ Burnett 2009
How likely? I say kind of.
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by lyricalkiller on
Dec 27, 2008 3:45 PM PST
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I’ll have what he’s having.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
Dec 27, 2008 9:22 PM PST
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Enjoy RJ, Giants fans.
Take good care of our future HOFer.
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by DbacksSkins on
Dec 27, 2008 5:51 PM PST
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i think of RJ as more of a Mariners future HOFer. But, its debatable I guess. How is that decided?
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by theghostofjasonellison on
Dec 27, 2008 6:34 PM PST
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Here you go:
The rules of the Hall indicate that the player will be depicted wearing the cap of his “primary” team. Although the Hall always had the final decision-making power regarding which cap would appear, for many years the Hall deferred to the wishes of players for whom more than one team could fit the description of “primary” team, and allowed each player in that category to choose the cap which would appear on his plaque…
In 2001, the Hall of Fame decided to change the policy on cap logo selection, given rumors that some teams were offering compensation such as number retirement, money or organizational jobs in exchange for the cap designation. (For example, though Wade Boggs denied the claims, some media reports had said that his contract with the Tampa Bay Devil Rays required Boggs to request depiction in the Hall of Fame as a Devil Ray). Although the decision-making process would be a mutual responsibility, the Hall, not the players, would have the final say in such matters.
World Series co-MVP; four Cy Youngs; perfect game…I am thinking it’ll be AZ.
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Dec 27, 2008 7:17 PM PST
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If that's what he wants..
As it says, it takes the player’s request into consideration. And for whatever reason if RJ said he would really prefer to be a Mariner, I can’t see them turning that down.
by Bitter Fan on
Dec 27, 2008 7:34 PM PST
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A few years ago, I believe Roger Clemens threatened not to attend his ceremony if they inducted him with a Red Sox cap. Now he probably wishes he had that problem, of course.
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by jcb9 on
Dec 27, 2008 7:51 PM PST
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Haha.
Syke!
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by DbacksSkins on
Dec 27, 2008 8:21 PM PST
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We'll waterboard him
until he agrees to wear the black hat going in.
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Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on
Dec 27, 2008 9:00 PM PST
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Fat chance.
Better do it before Obama gets inaugurated….
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Dec 28, 2008 3:09 PM PST
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I voted yes, but...
now I’m hoping this doesn’t become a bassackwards justification for trading Cainsux or Sanchez for Joe Crede.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
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Dec 28, 2008 5:23 AM PST
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Hmmm....
now that you have RJ, you can trade a pitcher. I’ll give you Eric Byrnes for Tim Lincecum.
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Dec 28, 2008 11:48 AM PST
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Good news
Joe Crede is a free agent. No trade necessary!
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by marcello on
Dec 28, 2008 12:12 PM PST
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meh
We don't really have that much pitching depth. We don't really have that much pitching depth. FOR GOD SAKE, VERUCA, DON'T GO FAKE TRADING JONATHAN SANCHEZ. We don't really have that much pitching depth
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Dec 28, 2008 1:03 PM PST
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LOOK GIANT FANS YOU DONT HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS TEAM IF THEYRE GOING TO WAIT NOW IS WHAT IM HEARING TO SIGN A BAT THATS AN EXCUSE NOT TO SPEND MONEY ON ANYBODY WHOS QUAILITY EVERYONE WILL BE GONE THIS IS THE SAME ROUTE THEY ALWAYS TAKE .MANNY RAMIREZ IS THERE FOR THE TAKING 3 YRS 66MIL EASILY EVEN IF HE DIDNT PLAY HARD HE WOULD TOP ANY ONE ON THIS TEAM .268,15HR?BUT I THINK WITH A DECENT CONTRACT AND A LITTLE RESPECT HE WOULD BE FINE.
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WENEEDABAT
We don't really have that much pitching depth. We don't really have that much pitching depth. FOR GOD SAKE, VERUCA, DON'T GO FAKE TRADING JONATHAN SANCHEZ. We don't really have that much pitching depth
by oldjacket on
Dec 28, 2008 5:25 PM PST
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There’s plenny a bats around here, unfortunately they are all fluttering around in people’s belfries.
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I'm happy about this
I’m probably the least baseball knowledgeable semi-regular poster on this site, but I’m sort of excited that Randy Johnson is our 5th starter. That sounds pretty awesome.
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Dec 28, 2008 8:28 PM PST
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"I’m probably the least baseball knowledgeable semi-regular poster on this site..."
Let me help you out of my hole , son.
I have no idea how to decide where in a rotation a pitcher should be.
(And you all thought I was gonna beat that tired “Bat/position” thing again , dintcha!)
If you’re putting him behind Zito because there’s just too many zeros on Barry’s paycheck – management should just eat it. Recognize performance , not purchasing power.
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Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
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Dec 28, 2008 11:09 PM PST
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What I’d want:
1. Timmah
2. Cain
3. Sanchez
4. Johnson
5. Ztio
What it’ll be (I think):
1. Tammah
2. Zito
3. Cain
4. Sanchez
5 Johnson
by bondslegend on
Dec 29, 2008 10:37 PM PST
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Bochy has stated that he rotation will be:
Lincecum
RJ
Cain
Zito
Sanchez
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Dec 30, 2008 12:10 AM PST
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Really??????
I’d be shok’d if that happened
by bondslegend on
Dec 30, 2008 8:59 AM PST
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I didn’t know the history of his nickname and looked it up. It’s pretty amusing:
In his youthful days, Johnson clearly had a lot going for him, yet something was missing.
A nickname.
Then came a seemingly insignificant exchange with a teammate.
“I was given [my nickname] when I first got called up to the big leagues in 1988 by a former teammate of mine, Tim Raines,” the 6-foot-10 hurler recalled. “He was about 5-foot-9. He bumped into me, looked up and said, ’You’re a big unit.’”
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Dec 28, 2008 9:00 PM PST
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Hopefully it wasn’t said in the showers.
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Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on
Dec 29, 2008 1:21 AM PST
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I like the move
I’m not the smartest baseball mind in the world (probably the least baseball-intelligent semi-regular poster here), but it seems to me that you could do a hell of a lot worse than RJ as a 5th starter for 8 mil. I would so much rather have him than the likes of Misch or Correia or Hennessy or any of the other garbage that was trotted out in that position last season.
Add to it the fact that the youngins get more development time and it looks even better.
Also: Suck it, D-back fans. I don’t like you, so there. And your state is too damn hot.
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Jeez , if you want the title bad enough to keep bringing it up...
Take a stroll by an Arizona State University sorority house on a 90 degree May morning.
Trust me , you’ll appreciate the heat.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on
Dec 28, 2008 11:17 PM PST
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whoops
sorry for the double post. I guess I forgot I posted or something. Early early early onset dementia
by bondslegend on
Dec 29, 2008 10:39 PM PST
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Also: Suck it, D-back fans. I don’t like you, so there. And your state is too damn hot.
Popsicles?
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Dec 29, 2008 7:40 AM PST
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I like popsicles.
We don't really have that much pitching depth. We don't really have that much pitching depth. FOR GOD SAKE, VERUCA, DON'T GO FAKE TRADING JONATHAN SANCHEZ. We don't really have that much pitching depth
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Dec 29, 2008 8:16 AM PST
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Be warned.
‘Skins’ popsicles have a distinct Taddy Porter flavor…
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on
Dec 29, 2008 8:30 AM PST
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You act
like that’s a bad thing, vic….
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Dec 29, 2008 8:50 AM PST
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Randy Johnson
isn’t that ugly.
YEAH, I said it.
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Dec 29, 2008 12:11 AM PST
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That picture at the top of the page is actually a dog in a baseball uniform.
If that changes your mind.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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Dec 29, 2008 12:52 AM PST
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THAT PICTURE changes my mind.
I’m just not sure about what…
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on
Dec 29, 2008 6:19 AM PST
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Um,
wow….
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Dec 29, 2008 9:38 AM PST
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Yup.
RJ watched A Christmas Story , took a leak , washed his hands and stepped outside into the sharp Seattle winter air.
He eyed the pole.
The pole eyed him right back.
“Nah , " thought Randy , "That stuff can’t be true…can it?”
(DIscount Tire commercial announcer’s voice) “NOW YOU KNOW!”
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on
Dec 29, 2008 10:10 AM PST
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That’s along the lines of the Trevor Hoffman denim shorts photo.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
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Dec 30, 2008 12:06 AM PST
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wow
google image lead me to this scandalous site with baseball players taking drunken pictures with ladyfriends. suitable for work.
http://itsasecretsohush.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_archive.html
full of favorites such as vinnie chulk and alex rios. now to burn this from my memory.
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Dec 30, 2008 3:57 PM PST
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Great signing.
Pretty much the exact move I wish the Braves had made.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
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Dec 29, 2008 6:05 AM PST
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OMFGJOHNSMOLTZ
(genuflects yet again)
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on
Dec 29, 2008 6:16 AM PST
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I wonder
if he still likes to crank Slayer at full volume to get pumped up for his starts.
RJ LOVZ TEH METAL!!!!!!1
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
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I’m actually really pleased by the front office. The offseason started off a little wonky with Denker, but since they’ve done really well. I can’t believe I have confidence in them making intellegent decisions. Weird.
by chilibean_3 on
Dec 29, 2008 10:00 AM PST
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Same with the 49ers
all of the sudden I have…hope! REAL hope and confidence in my team! What the hell is this feeling???
by bondslegend on
Dec 29, 2008 10:41 PM PST
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Not sure if it's been mentioned
but we’ll probably get to see a pitcher win his 300th game as a member of the Giants. That’s pretty cool.
by bondslegend on
Dec 30, 2008 9:18 AM PST
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Might be
the last 300 game winner ever.
That’s kinda special.
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by DbacksSkins on
Dec 30, 2008 10:35 AM PST
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