Giants need a bat. How about signing...
by cuse7284 on Dec 26, 2008 11:30 PM PST
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PrintI am just throwing this out there, but why wouldnt the giants go after manny ramirez? I mean I know hes not a clubhouse guy but for a short term deal it seems like it could not hurt and could be the final touch to go along with our new and improved pitching staff... Just want to hear everyones thoughts. I personally would love Mannys bat in the middle of our lineup. What do you think?
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Signing him would probably, all things considered, make us the NL West favorite.
But I think he’ll be too expensive and despite his bat, probably not worth his paycheck, due to his awful defense.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Hmmm...
He should be banned from MLB for pulling that stunt with the Red Sox last season.
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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 26, 2008 11:36 PM PST reply actions
yea the guy is a scumbag
but he can sure hit the ball. Only thing I worry about is defense as jponry said above
Considering that all of the other teams that would normally be after Ramirez have either signed someone else, have pulled out entirely, or want no part of him, perhaps Manny signs a 1-year deal and tries again next offseason for a big payday? I doubt it, but it is a possibility. (of course anything is a possibility. It might be possible that Xanthan is not a computer).
The Dodgers have a 2+1 deal on the table already. I think it is inevitable that he ends up back in Smell-A.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 26, 2008 11:41 PM PST reply actions
at this stage of his career, i kind of doubt he’s looking for do-over fa years. he’ll look to get as much as he can now before his value diminishes further due to age.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 26, 2008 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
yep
I don’t think Manny’s value gets higher than it is now after his insane half-year with the dodgers.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
by raisingcain on Dec 27, 2008 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
wrong
Xanthan is most obviously a computer….
I also think he’s headed back to LA
So that makes it:
1. L.A.
2a. Giants
2b. D’Backs
4. Rockies
5. Padres
Right? For now anyway…
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all.
I hate to say it but AZ is 2, we’re 3.
Remember they’ve got a lot of very young hitters, some of which will improve.
And I think Colorado will be right with us. They did lose Holliday, but Tulo should be back to full strength; Iannetta, Stewart, Hawpe, and Atkins still power the offense; and the young pitchers have lots of promise. They have the better hitting, we have the better pitching. I think it’ll be close, but I suspect they’ll finish ahead of us.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
IAWTC
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
The Giants probably aren’t going to be signing any mercurial leftfielders.
Definitely better than Beau Mills.
fanshot
no jose guillen or milton bradley either?
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
Barry puts the ME in mercurial
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
we need a bat
cant go into the new season without SOMEONE NEW to produce at the plate. Our bats suck. Can we trade for someone then?
for one thing, his trial will be during the baseball season. I love Barry, but who wants to bring the circus back into town??
Brian Sabean's dad- will make a few phone calls to help his son find a new job after next season
Third - at b....
damn.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Dec 27, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Trial?
Nah. Barry ain’t going to trial. Not when they can’t even get charges to stick.
Teflon Bonds
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 27, 2008 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Trail Starts Early March And Should Be Over In Two To Three Weeks
If his is aquitted as I believe is most likely he will be available for the last two weeks of Spring Training which is all he has ever needed.
by giantsrainman on Dec 29, 2008 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Manny to the Dodgers
The Dodgers aren’t letting Manny sign with the Giants. Whatever offer we make, they will top. This might be a good thing to force the Dodgers into spending more than they wanted to, however.
Brian Sabean's dad- will make a few phone calls to help his son find a new job after next season
sigh....
this “need a bat” thinking is just completely wrong, especially with regards to Rameriez. If the Giants sign Manny they would have to either sit Lewis (who was one of their better players last year) or shift the outfield alignment to Winn in CF, Lewis in right and new acquisition in left (let’s face it, the 2nd option will not happen despite Rowand sucking last season).
So assuming the GIants sign Manny here’s how it would breakdown. Manny was worth 6 wins last season which is phenomenal; however, the previous 3 seasons he contributed only 1.2, 3.9 and 3.2 wins. I’ll be generous and say he will be worth 4.5 wins next season. Fred Lewis was worth 2.6 wins last season. Let’s say he regress to 2 wins. Fred Lewis makes the league minimum for the next 3 seasons. Manny will require, let’s say, 4 years 20 million per year.
For the cheap cost of 20 million dollars, the GIants win 2 more games. (remember, I am being generous with Manny and conservative with Lewis). Is going from 80 to 82 wins worth 20 million? Of course not. This analysis also doesn’t include the fact that Manny is a good bet to suck by the end of his contract.
Flossing a dead horse
Wait...what?
Explain how Winn sucks, please.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 27, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Because NOBODY KNOWS WHO HE IS!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 27, 2008 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Steve Nash's friend FTW
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Dec 27, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
nah
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
by raisingcain on Dec 27, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Winn is just fine.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 27, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
uhhh...yeahhh...sooo....
Randy Winn was worth 4.9 wins last season. Manny Ramirez was worth 6.5.
Flossing a dead horse
waiting.....
for the “just joking, guys” line
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 27, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Can you play better than him?
how about we sit winn because he sucks
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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 27, 2008 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
It works better when your response comes after your quote. This way, it doesn’t register as a response at all.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 27, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm...
you’re such a tough guy, boonitez.
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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 27, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Classic Quote
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
Jeremy Affeldt Ready To Make His Father Proud
by Giant among Angels on Dec 28, 2008 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve never been a particular fan of Winn, but saying he’s a bad player pretty much singlehandedly proves that you don’t know much about baseball.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Or even about
Steve Nash’s friend FTW
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Dec 27, 2008 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll bet this comment will be the one to convince you that you’re wrong.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Dec 27, 2008 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It convinced me!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 27, 2008 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
Can the guy learn 1B?
Everyone seems to think he isn’t gonna get the type of money he wants. What if we offer him that said money (I don’t have a figure), with the catch: You’re our new first basemen
formerly April3rdLifeBegins
by YaSquare on Dec 27, 2008 11:22 AM PST reply actions
He can barely play LF
No way he makes a move to 1B. I can just see the hilarity a 3-6-3 DP would cause.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 27, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Too long of a throw....
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 27, 2008 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
The Giants don't need a bat
They need a lineup.
There’s a difference.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
And considering all factors, I’d rather have Burrell.
Also, typing one-handed with a sleeping newborn in your other arm is fun.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
The Giants don't need a bat
This is one of the best posts I have seen anywhere. Witty, succinct and to the point.
A portly bat at that
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Dec 27, 2008 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
Signing? Naw
I think the giants can walk away from the FA’s now with a sense of accomplishment. They filled some needs without breaking the bank, losing draft picks, or giving absurd amount of years to juan pierre types.
We should look at trades now, and I am liking the idea of trading with the yankees for swisher, or at least guys like swisher. The Giants should price out the trade market now, get some teams in on some of their extra pieces and get the best out of the lot of them.
1 bat like swisher’s could make this team league average offense with ridiculous pitching
I dont know
That .219 Avg scares me from last year.
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
Jeremy Affeldt Ready To Make His Father Proud
by Giant among Angels on Dec 27, 2008 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
what was his OBP? .330’s? Granted, his avg was low, but i think we can buy low on him and see him bounce back. If he returns to form of .250 with high slugging and decent OBP I would be pretty happy, especially if we managed to not give up too much for him.
by Giant Voodoo on Dec 27, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure how cheap he would be
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 27, 2008 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
Good point
but that could work even more to our advantage, since we can eat some of his contract in lieu of giving better prospects. I have to admit Swisher is a steal for 6 mil, but 11 mil is more of a bust.
Good gravy his bat would be nice in the 4 spot though.
by Giant Voodoo on Dec 28, 2008 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
just joking guys
but it still is pretty humorous you all defend him like hes corky from life goes on
Thanks Lars
Good, I can now stop waiting.
Glad you found this response b/c the “+reply” must not be working
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
Jeremy Affeldt Ready To Make His Father Proud
by Giant among Angels on Dec 27, 2008 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
just joking meaning...
he does not suck. But he is career average of 65 rbis is nothing to write home about.
Keep em coming!
RBI’s TELL THE WHOLE STORY!!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 27, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
my interpretation of needing a bat means...
driving home runs in the middle of the lineup. Someone who pitchers hate to pitch to. Thats who the giants need to get them over the hump. IMO and randy winn is not that guy. So yes Randy does not suck but hes not the bat we need. End of story
You know
Matt Cain’s win total is nothing to write home about either.
Why does Sabean always look constipated?
by TexasRanger on Dec 28, 2008 12:55 AM PST up reply actions
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