Yanks to sign Tex
ESPN just reported it, too, so I doubt it's bs. 8 years, 180 mil. How can the Yankees do this and their fans still argue they're not buying the friggin league? That's $423 million freaking dollars spent this offseason for the Yanks. That's why we hate em. :)
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I probably shouldn’t be pissed off about this, but I really am. What a fucking joke.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
it's ok
We’ll all be smiling when they don’t win the WS again.
I’m sick of my happiness as a fan being solely based on whether or not the Yankees win the World Series. This has become quite tragic.
"Tito Santana is like a cue-ball. The more you strike him, the more english you get out of him." -- Bobby Heenan
by LiquidPolio on Dec 23, 2008 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Are you not happy the Giants are almost good again?
They’re within one or two years of competing again. Times aren’t so desolate for us anymore; they were in 06 and 07, but not so much this year and hopefully not next. But it’s fun to watch the Steinbrenners constantly try to buy the best FA’s on the market EVERY YEAR, and it doesn’t work. It’s funny because any other team would do waaaay better than the Yankees if they had their payroll. It’s also fun to watch their assclown fans shit their pants because AHHHH WE DIDNT WIN THE WS THIS YEAR!!!! BEING A FAN OF SUCH A GOOD TEAM IS SOOOO HARDDDDD!!!!!
Yes, when a team with a 1/3 of their payroll beats them in the playoffs
assuming they make the playoffs
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 23, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Better the Yankees than the Red Sox
So the Blue Jays get the Yankees third rounder for losing AJ Burnett.
I always thought he looked like a right hander trying to throw lefty.
Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.
looks like jesus, acts like judas, throws like mary.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 23, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
The rumor is that The Yanks will try to unload Matsui so they could DH Damon. This move leads me to believe they want to unload Matsui and pick up a true CF, in the same deal if possible. I think likely targets are Arizona and Milwaukee to pick up a CF. Arizona because they desperately want to be rid of Byrnes contract. the potential OF would be Swisher in LF, mystery CF and Nady in RF
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
doubt that'll happen
He’s making 14 mil right? Nobody wants that kind of contract at his age. Maybe we could pry Nady from them?
Nady could happen, but from our side i’d try to send Rowand over. I can see the Yanks taking on some more salary, especially if it is for a player who is leagure average defensively in CF and league average offensively. I’d like to see Nady for Rowand and Pucetas maybe
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Nady
He is from Salinas area, went to Hartnell JC/ CAL. I would love to have him. He is not flashy, but he has a lot of talent.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 23, 2008 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
Does anyone know how he is supposed to be defensively? I have never heard how he is with the glove.
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
I believe he is around -1 or -2. not exactly sure though.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 23, 2008 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
is that at 1B or RF? i know he has played more RF lately, but he’s played some 1B in the majors and that’s what he would play for us if he got traded here
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
So, what’s their lineup look like now?
1. Damon CF
2. Jeter SS
3. Teixeira 1B
4. A-Rod 3B
5. Matsui DH
6. Cano 2B
7. Swisher RF
8. Posada C
9. Nady LF
Starting Rotation
1. C.C.
2. Burnett
3. Wang
4. Hughes
5. Joba
The media is going to poop themselves.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
lol
However, why do I get the feeling they will still lose in the ALDS?
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by Revolution1 on Dec 23, 2008 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Nady in the 9th spot...
he would be our cleanup hitter
ZOMG NO WAY OJ, Nate’s like Rolen… but better
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all.
Isn't he...
essentially the same player as Pedro Feliz?
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by ThrillisGone22 on Dec 24, 2008 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
good lord
that’s a loaded lineup. Nady would be hitting cleanup for us. The rotation’s a little thin on the end, though. They need Chamberlain, Wang, and Burnett to all stay healthy. One of them’s bound to go down, and they have no depth to replace any of them. And they’ll also need a breakout year from Phil Hughes. This team looks like it could turn into this year’s Tigers to me.
I concur. I thought the Tigers line-up was great, and then it never materialized. Hopefully the new NY stadium is a hitter’s dream, that way their new pitchers will get lit up.
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by LiquidPolio on Dec 23, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Are you crazy?
They’d never take him. Why would they ever want a contract that small?
The universe would probably implode
It’s not possible to commit so much money to so many guys in one offseason.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
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with that lineup they don’t need a break out year from Phil Hughes. They just need him to pitch like a fifth starter.
Chamberlin’s pretty good too.
Yeah, I think the rotation looks fine. Plus they’ve got a couple of guys like Ian Kennedy would could eat some back of the rotation innings.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
They don't at the moment
but what about when Burnett makes his weekly trip to the DL? Wang was out most of the year himself. Same with Chamberlain. Can you really count on them all to stay healthy?
Burnett has started 32, 21, 25, and 34 games over the past four years. He’s not an IRON MAN but he’ll give the Yankees 20+ starts a season.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
who else could that be said about?
I can only really think of the Red Sox with Josh Beckett, but they were deep enough in pitching so it didn’t matter.
he's been significantly injured once
he’s not the injury risk Burnett is
exactly
How does it make sense to group Sanchez, who has been in the league for a year, with a guy who has been in the league for 10 and has only topped 30 starts in a season twice. Burnett also missed all of 03’ with TJ surgery. Is it fair to call Sanchez that fragile so early on in his career?
well yeah but he's pretty much out of our rotation now
even Sabean doesn’t count him as a part of the team.
Of the RS starters last season,
only Jon Lester had more than 200 IP.
And what is the RS depth? Lester, Beckett, Matsuzaka, Wakefield, Bucholz, Masterson? The RS have question marks in their rotation too. Signing Sabathia would have made sense for them.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
I’d still take the sox rotation over the next 3 years. 3 youngs kids with great stuff in the rotation, a workhorse (matsuzaka) and an up and down veteran with overpowering stuff (beckett).
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
Don't forget Petite
we should be hearing soon the Petite will be re-signing with the Yanks to improve their rotation
I really want to see Damon play CF again. I’m pretty sure I can throw a baseball further than him.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
He used to be pretty solid in CF, but I haven’t looked at any of his recent defensive numbers. I know he was good in LF.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
wouldnt they be better off with either Nady or Swish in center and Damon in left? I cant imagine them putting him back in center. Does this mean the Cameron/Melky deal is officially dead?
I still think that the Yankees going after Byrnes makes sense. The D’backs need to shed salary BAD
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
arent the Sox interested in Byrnes? seems like theyd have the cash to use him as a 4th OF now. Seems like Byrnes would be a pretty bad CF. Theyre better off not forcing Milwaukee to take Wang back and just swapping Cabrera for Cameron to get some D in that OF. That also forces Swish to a sort of utility role filling in at all 3 OF spots, 1B and DH. I’m jealous.
They were going to swap Byrnes for Lugo.
The Red Sox almost got away with murder.
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 24, 2008 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
that is still no giant-killing offense (no pun intended)
Damon, Matsui, and Posada are all about done. Jeter’s on the downside of his career, and Cano, Swisher, & Nady are all OK-to-average. And while A-Rod is certainly one of the best hitters, he certainly hasn’t done anything in the postseason.
I’m very interested to see if CC will return to his “above average” pitcher status as an AL pitcher rather than the “dominant” status in the NL. Burnett is very injury-prone, Huges looked bad last year, and Joba is a 5-inning pitcher.
I wouldn’t be shocked if they failed to make the playoffs again next year.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 23, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
Dont forget about the other choke-rod that is now in NY
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 23, 2008 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
And while A-Rod is certainly one of the best hitters, he certainly hasn’t done anything in the postseason.
lol.
And Damon was pretty good last year. He would have been the best hitter on the Giants by far. Matsui was good — when he wasn’t injured — and for Posada, it’s going to depend on how healthy he is.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
why lol?
I know you guys heavily discount the media’s “clutch” theories, but he has made it to the playoffs a number of times, and suddenly can’t hit. Do you think it’s a coincidence? Is it impossible to think that he chokes under pressure, or struggles against the better pitchers that he faces in the playoffs?
Would I want A-Rod? Sure. But I do think it’s worth considering that he tends to struggle in the playoffs when you discuss the team being able to make it through the playoffs.
And after looking at Damon’s stats, I stand corrected, he had a solid year last year. I guess him being a pretty average player over his career and being closer to 40 than 30 played a factor in my assumption. I don’t see him matching last years’ stats, FWIW
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 23, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
To be precise, ARod sucks in the division series but rakes in the LCS. So really the problem is that he needs MORE pressure.
Seriously, I was going to bring up the Bonds example and how everyone was like HE SUCKS BECAUSE HE CHOKES or whatever. He had a great 2002. Do you really want to judge Bonds — or A-Rod — on less than 200 AB’s?
/deer head
Bay City Ball
Fewer than 200 AB’s… computers don’t check everything apparently
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all.
Well, his proofreading program is fewer than perfect.
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You’re being many more further of an a-hole than I would about this
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 23, 2008 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
I think you mean
You’re being many futher of an a-hole than me.
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actually I checked, he was right
You’re being many father of an a-hole than I.
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 24, 2008 1:43 AM PST up reply actions
Dude
Nobody’s being many father of an a-hole than you is.
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by EliminateMe on Dec 24, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I would be careful comparing anyone to Bonds
I’m not saying it’s impossible for someone to start having successful postseasons after many unsuccessful ones, but Bonds was pretty much a freak of nature when it came to…well…everything.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 23, 2008 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not saying it’s impossible for someone to start having successful postseasons after many unsuccessful ones
Many? Arod had exactly two unsuccessful posteasons – 2005 and 2006. He was OK in 2007, and really good in 2004, 2000, and 1997.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
I guess it depends what you consider unsuccessful
For someone making over $20 million, I would expect something more than these lines:
2004: .258/.378/.516 in the ALCS (did do well in the ALDS, though)
2007: .267/.353/.467
For me, that’s a count of 4 unsuccessful and 2 successful. He did do better than I thought, though, earlier in his career, which would further add to the idea that he crumpled under the pressure of the NY expectations and being a $20+ million man.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 24, 2008 8:19 AM PST up reply actions
Baseball’s not like clockwork, you know. You can’t just go out and automatically hit .300 in a short series, even if you’re really, really good.
but it’s not like he’s out of baseball for months, picks up on a short series, and is expected to hit over .300 out of the blue. The playoffs are a continuation of a 165 game season, and I think it’s reasonable to expect a person making that much money and having that much talent to continue to hit as he has during the season, which you would expect to be over .300. I realize that a short series gives a small sample size for figuring averages, but putting it over his career, he’s a sub-.300 hitter in the playoffs, which I would consider unsuccessful, especially since he should have been hitting his prime in NY.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 24, 2008 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
If picked out random 150s worth of at-bats from the best hitters in the history of baseball you would find quite a few that look like that or worse. I just don’t understand the bit where just because he’s a good hitter makes it a mortal lock to put up superman numbers in the postseason, and a huge disappointment if he doesn’t. Baseball just doesn’t work that way.
Look at it this way.
If he had 4 more hits, he would be hitting his career regular season average. That’s one extra hit every 2.5 post season serieses. Say he goes all Barry Bonds 2002 Word Series on the next post season series he’s in and the Yankees lose it. He’d then be batting .299 for the playoffs. It all just depends on one series.
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That first line is really good actually. The second one’s is definitely below average for him, but still pretty good. And, again, it’s 150 AB’s. Funky stuff happen in such a small sample size. Mike Schmidt is career .236/.304/.386 in the postseason. Diamggio hit 271/.338/.422 in 200 postseason AB’s. Mays was in the WS 4 times, and never slugged over .357. You’d never hear anyone call any of these guys unclutch.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
In A-Rod’s post season career he’s hit:
.279/.361/.483
That’s not bad and not that far from his career line of: .306/.389/.578. His post season numbers have also come in like 147 AB’s. That’s very big.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
thats better than what I had thought he had done
but still…when you pay someone $25 million, I’d expect something better than that, especially with talented hitters all around him.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 23, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
Velez: .315/.344/.445 in last 146 AB this year. He’s not that player.
A Rod is not his post season career stats.
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Point, Walrusman.
I think using Velez to explain SS might be the most salient point ever.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
I wish it was more extreme of a point..
If that’s what he does during a hot streak….ouch. Of course I just tried to pick out the closes sample and 146 was it.
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of course I really doubt Velez will ever get the chance to prove that SSS right or wrong anyway. He seems to be a pinch hitter/runner at best on the team as currently constructed
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
you forgot designated pick-off victim
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 23, 2008 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
I screwed up. I should had referred to him as Baron PickoffVonIronglove rather than refer to him as Velez
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
140 and 142 ERA+
seasons in the AL, is “above average”
Damon’s OPS+ last 3 seasons: 115, 97, 118. He’s still fairly athletic. That’s hardly “all about done”.
Sure the Yankees have their issues. But most teams do. The RS have issues too. Ortiz is coming off an injury riddled season, the worst season of his career in a long time. Will he rebound, or was that the start of a decline? Beckett is basically Burnett. Very talented, but injury prone and inconsistent. Bucholz looked bad in 2008. It’s questionable if Matsuzaka can sustain that ERA with the number of walks he gives up. Despite his shiny ERA, Masterson has questions about his stuff.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
I can’t wait for later today when KNBR’s phone lines start lighting up with complaints about losing Teixeira.
I’m listening to it right now and there has already been some WTF ARE THE GIANTS DOING!!!!11 callers.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
As if Teixeira would’ve played her for anything less than $240M anyway.
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by LiquidPolio on Dec 23, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Would you be against them signing Manny though?
If we could do it for three years I would be more than ok with his defensive and “intangible” shortcomings.
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil and has "looked just super so far," according to Felipe Alou...according to Baggs.
I wouldn’t
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If you don’t mind my asking, is it the defense, the contract, or the attitude that eliminates him for you?
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil and has "looked just super so far," according to Felipe Alou...according to Baggs.
If we wanted a slugger who played LF badly...
WHY DIDN"T SIGN BONDS
ffffffffffffffffffffff
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Bonds’ defense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manny’s defense
If we could have had Bonds cheap last year I would have been in favor of signing him. Especially if it meant I didn’t have to look at Dave Roberts again.
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil and has "looked just super so far," according to Felipe Alou...according to Baggs.
Dave Roberts has been the most useless player ever.
He will teach the kidz how to steal bases!
/deer head
Bay City Ball
He’s a really nice guy, so I feel bad dissing him but seriously what the hell is he doing on this team.
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collecting 6.5 million or so and then going home
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
DFA……please!
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 23, 2008 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
He also hit Randy Winn in the mouth after one of Winn’s walk-off hits in 2007
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all.
That was awesome
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
Dwight looked pissed
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 23, 2008 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
Uh, I'm pretty sure we could have gotten him for prorated minimum ML salary...
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TAKE THAT DEAR
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Related question: How much will they have to pay in Luxury Tax next year/7 years
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Their luxury tax bill for last season was something like 26 million dollars.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 23, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Didn’t the Yanks drop $87M from their payroll this past off-season? Thought I heard that number tossed around. If so, these 3 FAs still wouldn’t cover that figure.
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by LiquidPolio on Dec 23, 2008 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
According Cot’s Baseball Contracts the Yankees are at $209,081,577 from $189,639,045, and the $209 million figure is before the Teixeira is added.
How is the Luxury Tax calculated?
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Yeah, I guess they got rid of a lot of dead weight. Pavano coming off the books, Abrue, etc.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
$209M was what their opeing day salary figure was for the 2008 season, not what it is right now.
"Tito Santana is like a cue-ball. The more you strike him, the more english you get out of him." -- Bobby Heenan
Even if their tax figure was $50M, it wouldn’t help each individual team out much anyway. The tax threshold should be $120M, and you pay dollar for dollar after that. Maybe that would be a better deterrent.
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I've heard...
that past whatever the cut off point is for first timers (like the tigers last year) that the rate is 22% of total payroll. Repeat offenders get it at 40%… or so I’ve heard
Confirmed...
…by SI.com (it’s actually 22.5%, but who’s counting).
Last year’s cutoff was $155M. The Tigers owe $1.3M on a payroll of $160.8M and the Yankees owe $26.9M on a $222.2M payroll.
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Yankees have new stadium
I’m not sure about the luxury tax, but I believe they don’t have to pay revenue sharing this year because of the new stadium. I remember them gloating about this recently.
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fanpost!
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 23, 2008 12:57 PM PST reply actions
New topic: How sad will you be when the Yankees sign Tim Lincecum for 10 years, $500M?
I’ll be very sad.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
sigh
After this offseason, this really isn’t an automatically recognizable joke. You just made me think of Tim in pinstripes. I am going to throw up now.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 23, 2008 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
some Yankee fans who posts at the mlb website has a photoshopped picture of Tim Lincecum in a Yankee uniform with the word “please?” superimposed across it. A few more years and he’s liable to get his wish.
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speaking of which
there is a salary calculator on ESPN.com where they take last season stats for lincecum and Texiera and allow you to calculate how much production they had to have before making what you make in a year. funny stuff, comparinf Lincecum’s stats vs production and Texieria’s
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
I’d like to nominate this for “McCoven Award Worst Post of the Year”
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 24, 2008 1:49 AM PST up reply actions
I vote we flash xanthan’s BIOS in retribution.
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by EliminateMe on Dec 24, 2008 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
That won't work
Xanthan flashes his BIOS all the time.
He is a tramp.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 24, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Hard Discussing The Giants
And their small moves, when other teams are making big moves like this. I don’t see how the Giants will ever sign a big free agent with how th league is now. Looks like we’ll have to homegrow our own talent and pray they hate NY when they become free agents themselves.
"Tito Santana is like a cue-ball. The more you strike him, the more english you get out of him." -- Bobby Heenan
The Giants don’t have the Yankees money. That means they can’t do things like sign CC and Tex.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
Well the Giants can sign big free agents...
But they have to make sense. We’d have to be one big star short of contender.
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I don’t have any problems discussing the Giants
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by Smoke on the Water on Dec 23, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
Creed kicks Nickelback’s ass.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 23, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Nickleback today = Boston yesterday.
Corporate made rock.
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you dare diss Boston? for shame.
next thing you know, you’ll be talking crap about Rush.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 23, 2008 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Nah.
Rush is good.
Boston has some nice songs, and for a first album they’re great. Perhaps I’d allow Nickelback a first album as well. But as Boston went on (and as Nickelback has gone on) they’re corporate made rock.
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i will give you
that they were basically a one-album band. that one album, though, was amazing IMO.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 24, 2008 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
True.
Their first album was great. But then they made a second one that was the same. And I haven’t listened to anything else.
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Rush is nothing but a stupid, right-wing asshole….oh not THAT Rush.
A McC newcomer but not outstanding.
POLITIX!
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 24, 2008 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
Other teams = Yankees?
Who else is making “big moves like this” besides NYY?
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Dude, you’re nonsequituring again.
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It would help if the Giants don't make big moves like Zito.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
Very smart signing for the Yankees. There were only two top bats in FA this winter. The Red Sox would only be interested in signing Teixeira. So rather than let Sox sign Tex and then the Yankees counter by signing Ramirez the Yankees strike right at the weakness of the Sox and the Yankees sign Tex. This leaves the Sox without a matching transaction.
The move probably means that Manny will end up back with the Dodgers. No way the Red Sox want him back.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 23, 2008 1:02 PM PST reply actions
you're assuming they won't still go after Manny
while it seems inconceivable, it certainly can’t be out of the question.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 23, 2008 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
bah he can play 3rd
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 23, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
I believe Manny burned that bridge. Knocking down team secretaries and playing only when he wants to? I doubt Boston wants to go through that again.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 23, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
do you mean the red sox or yankees?
if the yankees sign manny too… wow.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Dec 23, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
meant the yanks
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 23, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
if the Giants start to get close to signing Manny, you can bet the Dodgers will give him whatever he wants. All the Giants can do here is drive up his price.
Brian Sabean's dad- will make a few phone calls to help his son find a new job after next season
Now, I do not see how or why they will get Manny. Wont happen
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 23, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder what annoying thing John Sterling will say when Tex hits a HR now?
/deer head
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eh-ooh-gen-eeo
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
It's spelled
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by EliminateMe on Dec 24, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
BREAKING NEWS
Hey, the Nats signed Corey Patterson to a minor league deal. ^ _^
/deer head
Bay City Ball
I was certain after his 2003-2004 seasons he was going to breakout and be pretty good. He’s a great example of why you might want to take a walk now and then.
/looks at Pablo
/deer head
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http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27656
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 23, 2008 1:23 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
If this is true, this is getting completely ridiculous. The free agents they signed this offseason will probably make more in 09 then some teams.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
CC $14M AJ $16.5M Tex $22.5M* ------------ $53M
*Is just 8/180. He’ll probably earn a little less depending on how they structure the deal.
I have no idea what 2009 salaries will be, but $53M beats the 2008 team payrolls of the Marlins ($21M), Rays ($43M), A’s ($47M), Pirates ($49M), and almost beats the Nationals ($54M).
/deer head
Bay City Ball
plus, they owe A-Rod $32M in 2009.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 23, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
plus
Jeter will make $20M
Mariano will make $15M
Posada will make $13.1M
Damon will make $13M
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 23, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
taxpayers
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 23, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
cazzuno said
So much for a player salary recession as another player falls victim to the yankee empire
Tex – 8/$180M
CC- 7/$161M
AJ – 5/$82.5
Salary for 2009 for 3 FA =$62 Million. Blue Jays now get a 3rd Rd Pick for losing Burnett and Brewers a 2nd and Rangers a 1st.
Is this even fair anymore? I understand winning at all costs and i wish the Giants did that (sometimes). But this is just getting ridiculous. I wonder what the Yankees will do next year if they dont make the playoffs?
They just locked up Juan Rivera for three years, he’s played first hasn’t he?
/deer head
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Er, maybe not. BB-Ref says he’s played 1 game there in his career. I think I was confusing his DH’ing with 1B.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
Lack of mobility is one of the five tools!
Side topic: Most immobile player you’ve ever seen? Damon Minor always looked like he was swimming in jello when he moved around.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
All around, defense, offense, whatever.
Molina is a good pick. I love watching him hit doubles.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
My wife (not really a Giants fan) said watching Molina run was the only entertaining thing that happened during Giants games early last year.
He’s all chugga-chugga-chugga-chugga-toot-toot-chugga-chugga when he’s running. My dream scenario is to watch him hit a ball into ‘triples alley’.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
I remember a game a long time ago..
Livan Hernandez hit a double and then the leadoff man behind him hit a double. They were replaying the videos of him running from home to second and from second to home all day making chugga-chugga noises.
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Bengie Molina is so slow...
he couldn’t score on a home run!
I amuse myself.
Barry Zito - Mildly half-OK! Sometimes.
Tis 70.25 mil with CC’s 9 mil bonus tacked on. JOY TO THE WORLD
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 23, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Hank’s head will asplode
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
cheno said
Let’’s play Would You Rather!
Would you rather have continuous putt pee or continuous puke?
"putt pee"?
is that a golfing condition?
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 23, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Stoned Slacker said
4 highest paid players in the league
Making a mockery of fair competition. If the MLB could somehow be more poorly run, someone would have to explain to me how.
Because you make funny faces when you poop.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 23, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Ah fiber poptarts..
You know what I find helpful, organizing breakfast cereals by their fiber content. Then you can judge which cereal you want by how you’re feeling.
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For a second
I thought TakeAGiantStepAndGo posted this, just because of the volume of comments… although all the comments are related to the thread.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all.
this is america
everybody is at work not really working.
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 23, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Nah..
Everybody except people in retail around the holidays.
Damn the holidays.
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no really, WM… nobody in california (especially sf) is actually from cali. so everybody leaves during the holidays… for instance, i have no trouble parking my car in the lower haight during the holidays.
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 23, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
dis town is comin like a ghost town
amirite
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 23, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Bands won't play no more
Especially Denker’s Bat and Velez’s Glove.
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Oh yeah, how could I forget FOSJ? I’m a total FOSJhead.
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I’m getting laid off next week. I’m thrilled to be at work at all.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 23, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
fuck ‘em if they can’t smell your qualifications
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 23, 2008 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
If they could, she would still be employed.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 23, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
I’m so happy I could shit.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 23, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
take a giant dump. box it and wrap it all pretty-like and leave it anonymously (this part is crucial) for the HR person who right-sized you.
just a thought.
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 23, 2008 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
This reminds me of a story
I worked at a sporting goods store in high school and when one of my coworkers got fired he took a shit in a box of shoes and put it on the shelf in the warehouse. It took the stock manager a long time to figure out where the smell was coming from.
Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!
That is fantastic.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 23, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
No worries. I’m just raging against the machine or whatever. It’s not like you’re the one who decided to lay me off right at the time when nobody is hiring, during the worst economic turn in a few decades.
I’m not bitter.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 23, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
half day xmas eve
xmas and nyd off
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 23, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
*waves*
Thanks. How about condolences for tomorrow too?
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The Yankee Fans Can Have Him
Yankee tickets will cost up to $2,500 a game during the regular season. Not a joke.
They’re spending $70.25 mil on three players in 2009. I could care less about the Yankees and their ridiculous spending, except that they cried poor and asked the city of New York for $350 million in public funds for their new stadium in June. There was a big legal to-do about this in October, but I haven’t heard much of it since.
Now that’s some bullshit right there if you ask me.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 23, 2008 2:02 PM PST reply actions
That’s my biggest issues with the Yanks right now. They don’t need the city to help them out.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all.
Yeah, that’s what really annoys me. They can afford the players, so go ahead. But don’t ask for taxpayers to flip the bill for the stadium. Then charge them outragous ticket fees.
and now the city will be instituting Ipod fees!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 23, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
it should. tomorrow, big unit to the Giants
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
All I have to say is
So much fo the mystique of the Yankees…
As hard as it is to believe, at one point people wanted to play there for more than just money.
Now, it seems like they can only draw interest by paying out the wazoooooo!
Why else do players go to the Yankees now other than to be ridiculously overpaid?!
By players actually wanting to stay with a franchise...
Or the franchise paying the same-ish amount of money.
Or having good, young, and cheap players that would attract the free agent to a winning team.
Or just not liking New York.
Or staying close to home.
Or their children.
Or not wanting New York style pressure.
Barry Zito - Mildly half-OK! Sometimes.
Not really. Not at all. It’s New F’ing York, dude. It’s not for everyone, but come on. A perfect place for a superstar to build his brand, playing for a historic franchise well known around the world. Plus it’s New York.
I’m pretty sure that’s a Reggie Jackson quote, only with more cussing in it.
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 23, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
easy, New York can’t take every player who is halfway decent. If the Yankees gorge themselves on the high priced players, fine. Let the Giants take some bargain players and contend in their division just like the yankees will contend in theirs
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
Yankees vs Giants
New York signs Sabathia, Burnett and Teixeira. Plus get a shiny new stadium on taxpayer dime.
San Francisco. It is near Los Angeles.
OMG a mirror joke!
It must be retro joke day!
NO U!!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 23, 2008 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
“Los Angeles? That’s just a big parking lot where you buy a hamburger for the trip to San Francisco.” – John Lennon
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Dec 23, 2008 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If I remember right...
…about a year ago, wasn’t everybody and their brother convinced that Teixeira would sign with Baltimore?
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No?
I don’t know why I never bought into that, but I never bought into that.
I also lack a brother…. one that i’m aware of anyway
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cornball said
Buster Olney is now reporting that Mark Teixera is signing with Yankees, for a buttload of money (8/$180m):
http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3790141
Somewhat surprising, but since he wasn’t going to sign with the Giants and didn’t sign in the division, I’m not really all that emotionally invested in this result. However, I do think it’s time to think again about what the Giants could do with Benjie Molina. When it was assumed that Teix would sign with the Red Sox, a lot of people suggested a Molina for Lowell plus one deal that would get the Red Sox a catcher and some salary relief, while allowing them to move Youkilis to third full-time. Seems pretty likely that that trade won’t be happening now.
My thought is this: is there an equivalent trade that could be worked out with the Yankees. Like Boston, New York still doesn’t have a catcher (they were signaling that they want Posada to DH) and they now have a glut of 1b/of/dh types. Matsui, Swisher, Posada, Damon, Nady and Teix, who is untouchable. Most of those are pretty unappealing to me because they are old, expensive and don’t play good defense. But would people around here be willing to do a Molina for Swisher plus a pitching prospect deal? Molina and Winn for Hughes plus a contract such as Damon or Matsui? What might it take, in addition to Molina, to get Nady?
And thus concludes my first attempt at public rosterbation.
You can fit 180 million dollars in your butt?
Section 314 FTW!
by KingofDucks1987 on Dec 23, 2008 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
I was wondering where this went. Just wondered if people thought a potential trade with the Yankees would make any sense at all. Not advocating anything myself, really.
I think that it a midseason trade for Molina and or Winn to NY is very possible, but it would be for prospects, not someone who is an established major leaguer.
I’d have to agree. The only (reasonably priced) guy with much MLB experience that I can see Sabean wanting is Hughes and I foresee that taking both Winn and Molina. The other guys – Swisher and Nady – are unappealing, but for different reasons. Swisher hasn’t become the hitter the A’s expected and Nady is older and injury-prone.
Yankees' bounty could aid Giants
From Chris Haft at MLB.com.
If the New York Yankees’ signing of free-agent first baseman Mark Teixeira prompts them to make a trade, the Giants could be the beneficiaries.
The New York Post speculated that the Yankees might entertain trading Johnny Damon, Hideki Matsui, Xavier Nady and Nick Swisher to trim the payroll slightly and thin the crowd at first base, the corner outfield spots and at designated hitter. Among this quartet, the Giants, who are searching for an offensively proven corner infielder, could be intrigued by either Nady or Swisher.
I just puked a little:
Nady, 30, has the intangibles the Giants would love. He was born in Carmel, graduated from Salinas High School and attended Cal-Berkeley, where he broke school records for home runs and RBIs.
INTANGIBLES
/deer head
Bay City Ball
Intangibles = this year’s Swagger
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
SWISHER CAN BE THE NOSTRIL OF THE FRANCHISE!!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 23, 2008 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
I would be more interested in a Nady or swisher for Rowand + Pospects than either of those two alone. However, i still don’t especially want to see this happening
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
english fail
* I don’t especially want to see this happen
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
Texieria's impact on the AL East
MLB Trade Rumors.
This amazes me. Yanks Sign tex and the Blue Jays just packed up, took their ball and went home
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I’ll be waiting with a bucket of popcorn when the Yankees miss the playoffs again.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 23, 2008 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
A’s, Red Sox, Rays and the Indians
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with the Red Sox and Rays, not sold on the Indians, and A’s, yeah right.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 23, 2008 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
I like the A’s much more than the angels right now, by the time the season starts, the Angels will look like the better team
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
The Angels won’t be as good as they were last year, but the A’s still aren’t ready to get it together. One thing I won’t do is bet on the Mariners again like I did last year. I am an idiot.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 23, 2008 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
I can’t fault you for that one, I was high on the tigers going into last season.
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn’t really matter what happens outside the AL East, because the Rays will still be strong and the Red Sox are still hard to beat. They’ll get two spots in the playoffs, I’m pretty sure.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 23, 2008 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
The only thing I can ding the Rays on is trading Edwin Jackson. It might have been more prudent to make him the closer, most experts think he could have a brighter future as a short reliever
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah but I think they’ll be all right. If worse comes to worse, would it be so terrible to ask David Price to fill in?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 23, 2008 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
true, they have the starting pitching depth in the minors to make the rotation good without price.
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Was just thinking about their rotation: Kazmir, Shields, Garza, Sonnanstine, then Price. That’s fucking sick man. And like you say they can stand to lose Price as a starter (fifth starter AT BEST) and get by with a minor league fill in.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 23, 2008 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that is an awesome rotation. as for the starting pitching depth, Wade Davis and Jeff Niemann come to mind at guys who could fill in and have high production for a fifth starter, as you noted above.
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 23, 2008 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
+1
I know they are young and could still be very good, but I sense a regression for that team as well.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 24, 2008 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
The Rays will still be very competitive, I just dont see them being able to hold off the Yanks and Sox this year though.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 24, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Although it will be interesting to see what Price does to their starting rotation.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 24, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
In fairness injuries with to their rotation, the loss of AJ their one calling card in that division is pretty much beat up for 09.
Their "O" was pretty thin as well considering the talent they had in ’08. If there is a team that is makes sense to do what the White Sox did in ’97 ( or what Beane does with the A’s every 3 years or so) The Jay’s would seem to be that team to me for ’09. Add to that they need earn from their local market in this economy over $6 at the gate to get what is $5 for every other team in the league. The only mitigating factor I can think of is their Gm is in the last 2 years in his contract.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Dec 24, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Hella don't want.
I want to watch better baseball league wide. All an NFL style cap does is tear down the better off and reward the lazy and/or stingy franchises.
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by daveinexile on Dec 24, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
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