From the desk of Brian Sabean
I always share these things when they go out to season-ticket holders...
Dear Goofus,
Having recently returned from the Baseball Winter Meetings in Las Vegas, I want to take this opportunity to give you an update on the team and to again thank you for your dedication to the Giants. While we're only at the mid-point of the off season, the moves we have made to date will certainly help improve the team in key areas to better position us within our division.
Our goal remains to build our team around solid, all-around position players and a strong starting rotation, supplementing them with experienced impact players. While we went into last season with a relatively unknown group of young players, this year we have a much clearer sense of which homegrown players will be able to compete at the major league level.
Youngsters like Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum and closer Brian Wilson became All-Stars, while Matt Cain, Fred Lewis and Jonathan Sanchez each displayed flashes of brilliance. Additionally, rookies Pablo Sandoval, John Bowker, Emmanuel Burriss, Travis Ishikawa, Sergio Romo, Alex Hinshaw, Nate Schierholtz and Eugenio Velez all showed great promise. In total, we were able to take a look at a franchise-record 24 rookies in 2008, including 16 that made their major league debuts, and get them needed experience at the highest level.
While many positive things were discovered last season, going into this off-season we pinpointed a couple of areas we needed to strengthen. The first was our set up relief, as we lost 17 games last year where we were either leading or tied after the 7th inning. The free agent signings of left-hander Jeremy Affeldt and right-hander Bob Howry add two veteran relievers with proven track records to help bridge the gap to Wilson.
The next thing we addressed was our run production. With the continued development of our young players, such as Lewis, Ishikawa and Sandoval, we will increase our run production from within. However, we also needed to add a solid bat at shortstop. We added four-time All-Star and career .290-hitter Edgar Renteria.
We will continue to look to upgrade our offense and explore options for a fifth starter. Lincecum, Cain, Zito and Sanchez look to be our top four, with Noah Lowry coming off an injury or California League Pitcher of the Year Kevin Pucetas penciled in as a possible fifth starter. We have also made inquiries to the agent for Randy Johnson, however it looks as if we are one of many teams with interest for the veteran left-hander.
Even though things were relatively quiet during last week's meetings, we did find out quite a bit about what other teams thought of our own players. This encourages us even further that we are on the right path in building a team that will have lasting success. Our minor league affiliates saw five of our seven clubs reach the post-season in 2008, while building an overall record of 434-330 (.568) which was second-best among the 30 MLB organizations.
Recent publications have also recognized our strong efforts over the last few years in building our farm system, with MLB.com and Baseball America ranking some of our players such as Minor League Pitcher of the Year Madison Bumgarner, Silver Spikes winner Buster Posey, Cal League All-Star Tim Alderson and 18-year-old phenom Angel Villalona among the top 60 prospects in all of minor league baseball. We will continue to give our young players a chance to win jobs at the major league level and to learn the Giants Way of playing baseball.
With Spring Training just around the corner, we look forward to the new year playing the game with passion and building a contending team that we will all be proud of for many seasons to come.
Thank you again for your continued support and I want to wish you and your family happy holidays and best wishes for the coming year.
Sincerely,
Brian R. Sabean
Senior Vice President and General Manager
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Not much we didnt already know, but it’s nice to see mail from Sabes in the inbox.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on
Dec 18, 2008 1:07 PM PST
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The part that concerned me was the … “We will continue to give our young players a chance to win jobs at the major league level and to learn the Giants Way of playing baseball.” I hope that’s just “kick-the-tires”-type language, and not to be taken literally.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on
Dec 19, 2008 7:09 AM PST
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It refers to Neukom's proposed book called "The Giants Way"
So I assume he means it literally.
Adoptive parental unit of Kevin " 2007's Most Spectacular Pitcher" Pucetas.
"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
"Woo hoo" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on
Dec 19, 2008 3:16 PM PST
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Giants Way
That’s just their proposal to change the name of 3rd St. so the ballpark will be at the corner of Willie Mays Plaza and Giants Way
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on
Dec 19, 2008 4:16 PM PST
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I would predict a lot of pedestrian accidents on Giants Way.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on
Dec 19, 2008 4:53 PM PST
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elderly folks getting hit
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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Dec 20, 2008 8:21 AM PST
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I thought you meant elderly folks having accidents
But jokes about Depends are a bit out of date.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on
Dec 20, 2008 3:04 PM PST
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I was encouraged to find out that Sabean can actually write.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on
Dec 19, 2008 9:07 AM PST
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Unfortunately, I can’t imagine many trades or FA signings going down via email. Or better yet, snail mail.
by Useful_Idiot on
Dec 19, 2008 11:30 PM PST
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To go with the theme of the previous fanposts this should have been titled “Brian Sabean’s email”
by paboperfecto on
Dec 18, 2008 1:12 PM PST
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the moves we have made to date will certainly help improve the team in key areas to better position us within our division.
3RD IN THE NL WEST OR BUST!
My plans for 2009: getting married and attending Tim Lincecum Bobblehead Day.
by Kitspool on
Dec 18, 2008 1:14 PM PST
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3rd best in the west at best
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on
Dec 18, 2008 7:51 PM PST
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With zest!
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on
Dec 18, 2008 7:51 PM PST
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Surely
…you jest.
Leading the Pro-Aaron Rowand contingent on the McC!
You can ridicule me in 2009 if you like...
by ThrillisGone22 on
Dec 18, 2008 8:18 PM PST
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Are you glad to get that off your chest?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Dec 18, 2008 10:51 PM PST
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I need some rest
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on
Dec 18, 2008 11:11 PM PST
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So brush with Crest.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on
Dec 18, 2008 11:50 PM PST
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wait, is this a test?
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on
Dec 19, 2008 10:51 AM PST
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If it is, could somebody take it on my behest?
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on
Dec 19, 2008 10:51 AM PST
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how has no one mentioned breast or molest?
by Norm Median on
Dec 19, 2008 11:42 AM PST
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Let's ask Jonny Quest.
A victim of in…in…
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on
Dec 19, 2008 11:51 AM PST
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…sider trading , HA!
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on
Dec 19, 2008 11:52 AM PST
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Giants should be in contention in 2009
They have improved at two key problem areas of 2008, setup and SS offense, whereas the other teams have shed a lot of significant players and could trade off more, without improving anywhere else. With only one .500 team in 2008 and the other teams arguably getting worse rather than better going into 2009, we should be in the mix for the division title.
Adoptive parental unit of Kevin " 2007's Most Spectacular Pitcher" Pucetas.
"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
"Woo hoo" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on
Dec 19, 2008 3:19 PM PST
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Fixed.
Additionally, rookies Pablo Sandoval, John Bowker, Emmanuel Burriss, Travis Ishikawa, Sergio Romo, Alex Hinshaw, Nate Schierholtz andEugenio Velezall showed great promise.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on
Dec 18, 2008 1:20 PM PST
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Why Do Giants Fans Always Seem To Need A Whiping Boy?
I just don’t understand this need to hate someone on one’s team. I get it that Velez on defense appears to be a clutz. But guess what? Defensive metrics just don’t see him as the same total disaster you do. Below average yes, horrible or unacceptable no.
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Dec 18, 2008 1:50 PM PST
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reason:
hating giantsrainman not satisfying enough
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on
Dec 18, 2008 1:51 PM PST
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wow, that's pretty harsh
but i understand that’s part of zenbitz charm.
anyroad, i’m still a velez believer.
i mean, how many game winning triples does the guy have to hit to get some respect?
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on
Dec 18, 2008 1:54 PM PST
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Adoptive parental unit of Kevin " 2007's Most Spectacular Pitcher" Pucetas.
"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
"Woo hoo" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on
Dec 19, 2008 3:19 PM PST
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at least
I want Velez gone. Forever.
Proud adopter of Jason Jarvis: let's see YOU pass an online music course without cheating!
by Gaahl on
Dec 19, 2008 4:45 PM PST
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Thanks For Proving My Point - Just Got To Whip That Whiping Boy
by giantsrainman on
Dec 19, 2008 4:54 PM PST
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"Whiping Boy"
Sums up my feelings for Velez quite well.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
by jasomack on
Dec 21, 2008 5:23 PM PST
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Defensive metrics just don’t see him as the same total disaster you do
He hasn’t even fielded 500 total innings the majors. At this point, it doesn’t matter what any defensive metric says about Velez.
He also can’t hit and will be 27-years-old next year. Velez is fast. That’s his great promise.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on
Dec 18, 2008 1:54 PM PST
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Frankly You Don't Know That Speed Is The Sole Component Of His Promise
You just think you do. The Giants brain trust believes he has more promise then that and I am inclined to accept their judgement over yours. You judgment seems to me to just based on biases rather then any actual ability to evaluate baseball talent.
by giantsrainman on
Dec 18, 2008 2:00 PM PST
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You judgment seems to me to just based on biases rather then any actual ability to evaluate baseball talent.
You got me good.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on
Dec 18, 2008 2:27 PM PST
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The Biases I Refer To Are
1) Over 25 = Can’t get better
2) Liked by the Giants but not liked by my favorite projection systems = Giants Wrong
by giantsrainman on
Dec 18, 2008 2:44 PM PST
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Nah, but nice try.
But, you can go ahead and keep saying ridiculous things. I won’t waste my time trying to debate with you. I’ve watched countless others try to do it and it’s pointless. I’ve got better things to do.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on
Dec 18, 2008 2:46 PM PST
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Name one better thing you could do than argue with GRM!
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on
Dec 18, 2008 2:50 PM PST
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Eat mozzarella sticks! Which I’m doing right now.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on
Dec 18, 2008 2:51 PM PST
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Okay...
Name TWO things.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on
Dec 18, 2008 2:53 PM PST
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Chew mozzarella sticks with his buttcheeks!
by Lars The Wanderer on
Dec 18, 2008 2:53 PM PST
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I wish I could do that. Hello party trick!
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on
Dec 18, 2008 2:54 PM PST
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I just threw up a little on my desk
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on
Dec 18, 2008 3:17 PM PST
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me too...
oh well, it’s better than throwing up on mike hawk.
Giants: World Series Champions...in 2011.
by Giants_Junkie on
Dec 19, 2008 2:17 PM PST
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Seriously though
Did this running (lol) joke come from the movie “Grandma’s Boy”?
by Useful_Idiot on
Dec 18, 2008 10:47 PM PST
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sadly no, it was a real life experience.
by timmeh on
Dec 18, 2008 11:42 PM PST
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pics pls
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Dec 18, 2008 6:01 PM PST
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So, is this the hipster gibberish that Grant was talking about?
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on
Dec 18, 2008 7:56 PM PST
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I can eat mozarella sticks and type at the same time. Now my keyboard is shiny.
by Useful_Idiot on
Dec 18, 2008 10:46 PM PST
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I won’t waste my time trying to debate with you. I’ve watched countless others try to do it and it’s pointless. I’ve got better things to do.
I wish I was as wise as you xanthan (also, I wish I actually had better things to do)
by FluLikeSymptoms on
Dec 18, 2008 3:18 PM PST
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Do you have any mozzarella sticks?
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on
Dec 18, 2008 3:31 PM PST
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And how strong are your buttcheeks?
by Lars The Wanderer on
Dec 18, 2008 3:32 PM PST
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Admit it, you’ve said this phrase like 100 times in your life.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on
Dec 18, 2008 3:40 PM PST
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Before "and" Evidence Of 2) And After "and" Evidence Of 1)
He also can’t hit and will be 27-years-old next year.
by giantsrainman on
Dec 18, 2008 3:22 PM PST
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GRM
Just to put this in context, this the same guy that want to argue that Renteria is a better defensive SS than Furcal.
http://www.leftymalo.com/2008/12/do_it_to_me_one_more_time.php#comments
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on
Dec 19, 2008 9:05 AM PST
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ha ha ha ha ha wow. I didn’t think he could ever top “Russell Martin is no more valuable than Pablo Sandoval” but he damn sure did. Well done sir!
by FluLikeSymptoms on
Dec 19, 2008 10:06 AM PST
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Hi Pot, This Is the Kettle Calling
Why don’t you try actually reading what I wrote at LeftyMalo before you comment.
by giantsrainman on
Dec 19, 2008 12:33 PM PST
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God, when will I learn not to argue with you?
if you didn’t say that word for word you sure led everybody to believe it:
Boof:
Do you actually watch players play? Are you seriously trying to argue that Velez is a better defender than DeWitt? Or that Renteria is better than Furcal?
You:
Just what I thought. You have no backup. Yes, I do watch them play and my eyes tell me the Giants defense is better then the Dodgers. Guess what? The stats agree with my eyes and not yours.
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Dec 19, 2008 12:54 PM PST
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You Know You Are Taking This Out Of Context
In context I was not specificly addressing the middle infielders I was addressing the entire defense. In context Boof choose to go to just the middle infielders ignoring the other defenders and I did not bit at limiting my position to just these two positions. The debate was about which team had the better defense. That said, UZR data does provide evidence that strongly suggests that the view that Furcal is way better the Renteria on defense and DeWitt is way better the Velez on defense is wrong. UZR data suggests that they are about the same.
by giantsrainman on
Dec 19, 2008 1:13 PM PST
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ok, so to make sure we have this right:
you are saying that Furcal and Renteria are roughly equal defensive shortstops and that DeWitt and Velez are roughly equal defensive second baseman
is it correct that you believe this statement?
by FluLikeSymptoms on
Dec 19, 2008 1:17 PM PST
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Nope - I Am Saying That This Is What UZR Data Seems To Indicate
I personally have not seen enough of either DeWitt or Renteria (post Cardinals) on defense to make a judgement on them. With regards to how these two compare to their counterparts I defer to the data.
Are you arguing that we should ignore the UZR data and go by the quotes we read from anonomous unnamed MLB scouts, coaches, and/or executives?
by giantsrainman on
Dec 19, 2008 1:31 PM PST
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Just to put thing in context:
Boof:
Again, the problem is that these stats don’t tell the whole story. Depite the fact that your stats say that the Dodgers don’t score that many more runs, the reality is that their defense is so far beyond the Giants defense. Therefore, no matter how many trumped up stats you want to bring up, the Dodgers are still a much better team than the Giants right now. The comparison is not that close. Defensively, there isn’t a position on the entire field that the Giants have a better player than the Dodgers. Stack ’em up man-for-man and that is readily apparent.
Martin > Molina
Loney > Ishirilia
Dewitt > Franelez
Furcal > Renteria
Blake > Sandoval
Pierre = Lewis
Kemp > Rowand
Ethier = Winn
Even in the unlikely event that our offense is about equal to the Dodgers, their pitching is on par with the Giants and their defense is much, much better. Ergo, they are the better team right now…….no matter what your stats say.
GRM:
According To Fangraphs UZR/150
Loney -7.9 vs Ishikawa -2.1#
DeWitt -17.3 vs Velez -3.2
Blake -5.4! vs Sandoval ?
Furcal +0.3@ vs Renteria +1.1
Pierre +2.2 vs Lewis +5.6
Kemp -6.7 vs Rowand -11.1
Either -6.4 vs Winn +17.3
! Used 2008 combined numbers from Cleveland and LA
@ Used 2007 number because 2008’s -11.6 just 36 games
# Used all 39 Career Games rather then +4.2 in 2008
? I don’t believe 2008’s +48.5 either
This evidence clearly points to the Giants defense being way better then Dodgers defense!
I would appear that you are trying to say that based on the above defensive stats that the Giants are the better defense. I’m not sure how you reach that conclusion………even if you suspend all player evaluation judgement.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on
Dec 19, 2008 1:40 PM PST
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Well, he’s also using really small samples for Velez and Ishikawa. Velez has a horrible scouting defensive reputation and while Ishikawa has been scouted as a strong defender, I don’t think his UZR mean’s anything right now.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
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Dec 19, 2008 1:50 PM PST
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I Am Using All The UZR Data Available To Me
I adjusted for sample size as much as I could as the four footnotes I used should have indicated to you.
@ I threw out Frucal’s -11.6 2008 numbers and used his 2007 numbers instead because of the small sample size and injury. I could have averaged his 2006/7/8 (-8.1 in 2006) numbers and shown Rurcal as a negative defender but I let him stand in the best light I could.
- I could have just used Ishikawa’s positive +4.2 number for 2008 but I went with his career -2.1 number instead including the handful of games he played in 2006.
? I ignored Sandoval’s positive +48.5 number for 2008 because of small sample size and decided to estimate that he would be about the same as Blake’s -5.4.
I did discover another adjustment that I should have made. I should have gone with Velez’s career -9.2 instead of his 2008 -3.2. But making this correction just makes his UZR/150 closer to being as bad as DeWitt’s at 2B but still not as bad.
by giantsrainman on
Dec 19, 2008 2:10 PM PST
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Oh I See, Can't Argue The Facts So Change The Subject
by giantsrainman on
Dec 19, 2008 2:23 PM PST
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Not at all. I think everyone else is doing a great job pointing out the inconsistencies of what you are saying.
To be honest, I’d rather not argue with you. It is pointless. I’d rather paint a fence or clean my kitchen. You never consider anyone’s opinion except your own. If you want your blatherings to go unchallenged, start a blog.
by Lars The Wanderer on
Dec 19, 2008 2:34 PM PST
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How strong are your butt cheeks?
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on
Dec 19, 2008 2:45 PM PST
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That’s much stronger than mine. I’ve worked up to cradling atoms, but I may have hit my ceiling there.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Dec 19, 2008 3:39 PM PST
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Not good enough, Lars. Want table top fusion.
by wilriv21 on
Dec 19, 2008 3:41 PM PST
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SSSH!
Don’t you all see that there’s a WAR OF NUMBERS going on here?
This is serious stuff!
LOLCAL
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on
Dec 22, 2008 12:07 AM PST
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This Was Not My Primary Argument
My primary arguement was that the Giants ranked 6th in NL Team Defense according to to UZR data on Fangraphs while the Dodgers ranked 14th. I just brought up these individual UZR comparisions when Boof made arbitrary claims the the Dodgers were better based on his personal view of the individual comparisions.
by giantsrainman on
Dec 19, 2008 2:15 PM PST
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Also - Add Up The Numbers
Giants total is +2.2 Runs while the Dodgers total is -41.2.
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Dec 19, 2008 2:20 PM PST
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I think defensive statistics are somewhat rough and should be questioned when they come to an obviously ridiculous conclusion. When that occurs it is probably a good idea to seek out a few other defensive metrics.
I am also pretty sure that even the people that make these defensive stats would tell you it is absurd to base anything on a 193.2 inning sample size (Blake Dewitt at 2B) or a 449.2 inning sample size (Velez at 2B). In a case like that you are much better off relying on what scouts say, or even using your own judgment (I mean “you” in a generic sense not you personally, your judgment should always be ignored).
or, if all of that is not what you are into, you can just consistently come to unreasonable conclusions that players from your favorite team are better than players from an opposing team.
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Dec 19, 2008 1:43 PM PST
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I Did Not Say That
I provided UZR/150s that said that but I did not say that. What I said and strongly stand behind was that the Giants defense was better then the Dodgers defense. Try actually reading my arguements at LeftyMalo and tell me where I am wrong with some actual backup for your position and I will listen.
by giantsrainman on
Dec 19, 2008 12:31 PM PST
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You judgment seems to me to just based on biases rather then any actual ability to evaluate baseball talent.
hi pot, this is the kettle calling
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Dec 18, 2008 3:04 PM PST
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xanthan wasn't calling him a whipping boy
He was saying Eugenio “One Tool That He Doesn’t Even Use Well” Velez didn’t show great promise.
Big difference.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on
Dec 18, 2008 1:56 PM PST
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Well, I think his post-callup performance showed promise.
Showing promise is however not the same as guaranteeing future results.
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Dec 18, 2008 2:46 PM PST
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I think we’ve talked about this before, but I’d feel better about his 2nd half promise when he does it without a .355 BABIP and in more than 145 AB’s.
If you want to split his season in half — which I really don’t want to do — his BB% and K% ratios are pretty similar between both halves. He actually walked even less in the 2nd half. He did have a much higher BABIP in the 2nd half.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
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Dec 18, 2008 7:48 PM PST
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We have, and you are right.
But I treat his post-callup performance the same as I treat Pablo’s performance.
Excellent results in a SSS based on questionable peripherals.
It’s exciting and fun to watch, but raises some serious questions about repeatability.
In a lot of ways I think Velez has less holes than Sandoval does, but I’m probably going to get stoned for that ;)
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Dec 19, 2008 8:45 AM PST
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Explain your ‘less holes’ theory!
He’s faster than Pablo and he can’t defend any better than Pablo can. Neither guys are really walk-takers and Pablo’s bat blows Velez’s out of the water.
/readies stones
/deer head
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Dec 19, 2008 8:53 AM PST
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I’d like to hear this reasoning.
Go ahead, it’s okay, I won’t throw any rocks at you.
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I won’t throw any rocks at you.
Just stones.
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Dec 19, 2008 9:40 AM PST
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Just don't throw Rush.
They suck.
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>.<
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I would like to hear the description on that too. Pablo has some very definite holes; the fact that this is the National League and he will actually have to play somewhere defensively, and inability to take a walk. But Velez is nothing but holes; can’t play anywhere defensively, can’t take a walk, hasn’t shown he can hit in any extended look in MLB, the only holes he doesn’t have are his arm and his speed (although his base-stealing ability/ ability to not get picked off is still something of a hole). I don’t see Velez as having any upside beyond a utility bench player.
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Dec 19, 2008 10:02 AM PST
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It’s tough to even imagine him as a bench player. You’d figure that he would be used often as a pinch runner, but I’ve never seen someone so inept at being able to stay on first let alone take second.
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One compliment I'll give Eugenio
The guy seemed to have a penchant for big hits. Obviously I think luck and sample size are both factors here, but as much as we might all like to knock him, he did have some big hits in 2008 for us.
What does that mean for 2009? Nothing
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Dec 18, 2008 3:52 PM PST
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Eugenio in high leverage situations in 2008: .385/.429/.538 OPS .967
I think we should keep him as a 9th inning PH!
/deer head
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Dec 18, 2008 7:51 PM PST
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Eugenio’s nick name shall be Mark’S weeney
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I believe the correct descriptive phrase was:
“Fields like a drunk, gloveless Ben Grimm.” (thank you again for that one, Grant)
Hector Sanchez: really getting tired of playing baseball in foreign countries...
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I dont need one
I can still reach…
– clank – SPLASH –
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Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
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Dec 18, 2008 11:52 PM PST
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does he really call you Goofus?
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
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Dec 18, 2008 1:24 PM PST
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My letters always come addressed to Galant
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
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Dec 18, 2008 1:36 PM PST
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Mine say Dear Prudence
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
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Mine actually say “Dear Lord”
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Dec 18, 2008 2:38 PM PST
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Mine says My Sweet Lord
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
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Blah-de-blah-blah...
“Our minor league affiliates saw five of our seven clubs reach the post-season in 2008, while building an overall record of 434-330 (.568) which was second-best among the 30 MLB organizations.”
The Giants, since about forever, have loved trumpeting their minor league teams’ sparkling records and postseason success as proof that they have great prospects on the way up. Personally, I don’t believe there’s any relationship at all between those two things.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
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Agreed
I think there might even be a negative relationship, particularly wrt postseason success. If your successful minor league team is being driven by quality prospects, then one would expect said minor league team to flounder in the second half and playoffs as those successful prospects receive their deserved mid-season promotions. If your minor league success is driven by non-prospects and organizational players, then there’s no pressure to promote them.
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Dec 18, 2008 3:01 PM PST
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it is good to build a winning attitude
but what sabean neglects to note is that our aa and aaa clubs consistently are terrible….which goes to the quality of our farmhands as the competition increases
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Dec 18, 2008 3:08 PM PST
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Except
If Cain, Lincecum, and Sanchez didn’t jump to the majors so fast, they would have made AA and AAA much better over the past few seasons.
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Dec 19, 2008 3:33 PM PST
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Cain was no star in Fresno
Just sayin’.
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Dec 19, 2008 5:50 PM PST
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I wonder what Brian means by the term “impact players”. Because to me, that’s talking about going out and bidding on elite free agents (a la Mark Texeiera). But he’s frequently suggested that the economics of joining those kinds of bidding wars doesn’t make sense. I don’t disagree with that stance, necessarily, but I am confused by what he’s using that term to mean.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
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Dec 18, 2008 1:45 PM PST
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It's another one of those Sabean-isms
He just likes to throw the term around a lot
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Dec 18, 2008 10:52 PM PST
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He’s just kicking your tires at the end of the day, Roger.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
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Dec 19, 2008 7:16 AM PST
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Can I get more syrup for this WAFFLE
We will continue to look to upgrade our offense and explore options for a fifth starter. Lincecum, Cain, Zito and Sanchez look to be our top four, with Noah Lowry coming off an injury or California League Pitcher of the Year Kevin Pucetas penciled in as a possible fifth starter. We have also made inquiries to the agent for Randy Johnson, however it looks as if we are one of many teams with interest for the veteran left-hander.
So don’t blame us , we told you here first that someone else might have money too.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
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Dec 18, 2008 1:57 PM PST
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Between this letter and Brute’s post, it sounds like the Big Unit is all but signed.
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Dec 18, 2008 2:11 PM PST
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That was my thought as well. Sabean almost never refers directly to specific free-agents in these things.
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Dec 18, 2008 2:16 PM PST
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How Do You Draw That Conclusion From This Quote?
We have also made inquiries to the agent for Randy Johnson, however it looks as if we are one of many teams with interest for the veteran left-hander.
“One of many teams with interest” hardly says to be “the Big Unit is all but signed”.
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Dec 18, 2008 2:18 PM PST
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Babelfish it, that’s what it says in the Sabes to English translator
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
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Dec 18, 2008 2:38 PM PST
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MY Sabes/English translator reads:
“We can and probably will be outbid.”
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Dec 18, 2008 2:49 PM PST
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I don’t think he would have mentioned him by name in this type of letter if he wasn’t damn sure he’s gonna land him. Failing to do so will give fans something to be disappointed about and he doesn’t want more grief.
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Dec 18, 2008 2:40 PM PST
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This Expectation Was Already There And Sabean Avoiding The Subject Would Be Seen As Not Caring What The Fans Think
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Dec 18, 2008 2:47 PM PST
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I just realized
GRM was probably responsible for the naming of this album.

My plans for 2009: getting married and attending Tim Lincecum Bobblehead Day.
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Dec 18, 2008 3:13 PM PST
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Fiona Apple.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
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Dec 19, 2008 12:49 AM PST
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It could also be a feeler.
Put that out there – if overall reaction is positive, pull the trigger. Otherwise, let it pass.
It may be more of an indication that the ball is in the Giants court re: Johnson than anything else.
Signing Johnson is as much a PR move as a baseball move. It makes sense to test the temp of the water before doing it.
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Dec 18, 2008 2:49 PM PST
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When did Sabean ever start caring about what Giants fans thought? Honestly, I think his rationale is, “If we win, fans are happy. If we lose, fans are sad. Fans don’t care how we get there, so long as we win.”
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
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Dec 18, 2008 2:55 PM PST
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Under New Leadership Sabean Is More Willing To Be Open And Fan Friendly
Perhaps because his has been told that this it is now expected of him.
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Dec 18, 2008 3:16 PM PST
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You're old...
So you should be familiar with the phrase, “You can’t teach an old dog new tricks.” Kind of like how you told Lars or someone, “I’m not changing for my wife, I’m not going to change for you.”
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
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Dec 18, 2008 3:38 PM PST
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My Not Being Willing Hardly Means That Sabean Won't
But I do see your point.
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Dec 18, 2008 3:43 PM PST
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Y'know , there might be something to that.
Let’s start winning so we can make that determination.
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Is it always the man with the gun?
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Dec 18, 2008 11:56 PM PST
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What I think Sabean fails to realize is… Fans DO care how we get there. Sure, a win is a win is a win, but building a team for the long haul is typically a better way to go.
He also doesn’t realize that fans tend to disagree on how they’d like to see a team get successful, so he’s basically screwed no matter what.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on
Dec 19, 2008 9:36 AM PST
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Well..
Some fans DO care how we get there. That’s us and others interested in the minor leagues. The other fans probably wonder why our first round draft pick wasn’t playing for us last year already. These are the people who do not follow the baseball minors and have no idea how young players get to the majors. They just think a win is a win.
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Dec 19, 2008 9:45 AM PST
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On How some fans care "how we get there.".
I think part of it is it’s been 40 years since the Giants have had key players like these pitchers. And then you had the 2 Willies as the face of the franchise. A lot of the older fans don’t know how to handle having big talent but it does not play a potion very day. And us old folks usually don’t like change. To those older (usually more causal) fans it is changing the identity of the club.
The other part of this is a sizeable group of the younger fans probably have very little experience with baseball before the steroid era when games that totaled 9 (or more) runs were not the norm. To this demographic 1 run is usually scored an inning so giving one run up on defense is expected to be able to gotten back inside an inning or two for all but the worst teams. Games decided by a kicked ball in the 5th are mostly a fable to them or at least a very rare event.
Both segments are Giants fans thus by nature they are not quite. If the front office sticks to their plan and it creates wins both segments will make their peace with it.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
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Dec 19, 2008 10:27 AM PST
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"...gotten back..."
Get back to where you once learned grammar. You been clearly in exile too much.
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Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
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Dec 19, 2008 11:57 AM PST
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TakeAGiantStepNGo said it might happen, that is good enough for me
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This has some fairly interesting stuff in it. Admitting that we are after Randy Johnson is pretty candid for Sabean. I also didn’t know that Pucetas was officially so high on the depth chart.
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Dec 18, 2008 2:15 PM PST
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Pucetas was mentioned as possible 5th starter material
In a previous public comment.
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"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
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Dec 19, 2008 3:36 PM PST
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That stat about losing 17 games where we were ahead got me thinking.
If we turn half of those losses into wins, we’re a .500 team.
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Dec 18, 2008 2:41 PM PST
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Yeah, but
Then there is the record in 1 run games. Regress that and we lose them all again.
But it goes go to show that maybe the biggest weakness of this team wasn’t necessarily the offense as much as it was the bullpen.
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Dec 18, 2008 2:49 PM PST
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Or maybe the terrible offense just put the bullpen in a position to fail way too often.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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Dec 18, 2008 2:57 PM PST
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+1 , 000 , 000 , 000
And they carpeyed that damn diem.
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Dec 18, 2008 6:52 PM PST
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I was having a tough time believing that the bullpen was that big an issue until I read that stat.
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Dec 18, 2008 2:58 PM PST
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I still am
17 sounds like a lot, but there’s no context. How many would a normal team lose when tied or leading after 7? How many would a normal 90-loss team lose?
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Dec 18, 2008 3:05 PM PST
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I Am With You Here
It would not suprise me if the Giants didn’t enter the 7th tied or become tied later in a least 34 games so losing 17 would just be just spliting them. It would mean the bullpen was average and not at all mean that they were the problem.
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Dec 18, 2008 3:19 PM PST
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Turns Out I Actually Looked Up These Numbers Earlier
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2008/10/6/629852/what-single-change-could-i
The Giants Bullpen turned 11 leads turned over from starters into loses but they also turned 11 deficts turned over from starters into wins. The Bullpen inherited 21 ties and lost 14 of them. So there were 43 of these games and the bullpen won 18 while losing 25. If the bullpen improvements Sabean has made get us back to even then they should add 3.5 Wins to the Giants total. If these improvements make the bullpen better then average then they should add even more wins.
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Dec 18, 2008 3:41 PM PST
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Thanks GRM, bur
to me, there’s a big difference between leads and ties. With a lead, the bullpen can control their own destiny. With a tie, they need help from the offense to come away with a win, so you can blame it all on the bullpen.
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Dec 18, 2008 3:52 PM PST
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Yeah, I was wondering how the bullpen went about turning those 11 deficits into wins. Great hitting by Hennessey and Walker?
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Dec 18, 2008 3:59 PM PST
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Sounds like great drinking.
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- The Stranglers
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Dec 18, 2008 6:54 PM PST
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Damn
+ 80 proof
Leading the Pro-Aaron Rowand contingent on the McC!
You can ridicule me in 2009 if you like...
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Dec 18, 2008 8:23 PM PST
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Bullpen Games
Also to be considered here is how many less leads would the bullpen have given up if our offense could occasionally tack on a couple insurance runs. Not that our bullpen doesn’t need an upgrade, but with a better offense the bullpen might get a little more help holding on to leads. When you consider how many 5 inning starts we get out of Zito, Sanchez, fill in 5th starter here, 4 innings of holding on to a 4-3 lead is a lot to ask.
Saying our bullpen gave up 17 games we were ahead or tied after the seventh inning is putting way too much emphasis on bullpen performance and not nearly enough responsibility on the shoulders of our (lack of) offense.
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Dec 18, 2008 9:11 PM PST
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Actually
there is no comparison here that really gives us any good basis of comparison to work from.
The key thing here is what the majors (or average team) did in terms of their bullpen blowing leads, keeping leads and so forth. Maybe the average bullpen blew that many games. Maybe the better playoff teams had a bullpen that did really well in terms of this relative to other teams. We won’t know until we have the full stats to see whether the Giants bullpen did better or worse relative to the rest of the majors in terms of this.
I assume GRM compiled all this himself and that it would take a lot of time to compile this by hand for the rest of the majors, so I don’t expect to see this data.
And as noted by other, having a better offense would help with that, but this is an OK way to analyze how one change can affect the total outcome.
But perhaps I can help push this discussion along with some other information.
I would note here that Tom Tippett of Diamond Mind did some excellent studies in mid-2000’s examining the value of a good bullpen, and he found that teams in recent years had to have a pretty good bullpen if they expected to do well enough to make the playoffs. And, aside from this issue of whether our bullpen blew more leads than other teams, we clearly didn’t have a top bullpen last year and upgrading our bullpen like they have with Affeldt and Howry, should improve our bullpen greatly in 2009 and particularly so if Romo and Hinshaw turn out to be the real things.
A side bonus is that many analysts commenting about Affeldt talked about how he could be a future closer, which gives us insurance in case Wilson, whether through poor performance or injury, is unable to perform well.
That is also key as I believe the majors is moving to the point where you need two closers, one for the 8th and one for the 9th, the way teams are utilizing closers. This gives us Affeldt then Wilson, with Howry pitching in as needed (or being a duo with Affeldt if he is back to his old ways).
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Dec 19, 2008 4:00 PM PST
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Jeez , Chief - I read LOTS of stats.
And none of them affects my beliefs…am I doing something wrong?
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Dec 19, 2008 12:00 AM PST
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Offense
We’re leading 1-0 after 5, and we take out the starter. Over the next 4 innings, our bullpen gives up 2 runs and we lose 2-1. So, yeah technically the bullpen lost game, and reliever is going to get the L, but was it the bullpen’s fault? Partially, but the offense should still take almost all of the blame. Same thing with turning ties into losses.
But yeah, our bullpen was terrible.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
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Dec 20, 2008 3:11 AM PST
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Our bullpen was bad, no doubt
I just don’t think improvements there are going to really show up in the team’s record until the offense is addressed. Bullpen’s win games by protecting leads and holding the line until the offense can overcome deficits, they’re at the mercy of the offense wrt actual wins and losses.
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Dec 20, 2008 3:07 PM PST
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my favorite part is
Silver Spikes winner Buster Posey
it’s actually called the Golden Spikes Award but, hey, let’s not sweat the details.
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Dec 18, 2008 3:10 PM PST
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The Giants had to sell it to afford Posey…they bought him a silver one instead.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
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Dec 18, 2008 3:19 PM PST
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On CASH-4-Gold.com?
You probably know it as MYANMAR, but it will always be BURMA to me!
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Dec 18, 2008 3:32 PM PST
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Nah, they are out of business because that old jewish lady took them for everything they had.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
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I sold the wedding ring from my first marriage!!!
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Dec 18, 2008 5:21 PM PST
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can't blame Sabes
he just found out they play baseball in college
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the economy and all…
gold was just too fuckin’ expensive this year.
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
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Dec 18, 2008 9:15 PM PST
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OT
Not only were STHs treated to email from BS GM yesterday, the team sent out a commemorative
set of 50th Aniversary ticket reprints which arrived yesterday via analog mail.
The G’s do send out some pretty cool schwag.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
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Dec 19, 2008 9:52 AM PST
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I thought the reprint of last season’s tickets was pretty useless and lame. They usually do much better. My favorite was the little ide cast of the ballpark.
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Dec 19, 2008 1:08 PM PST
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I was cleaning out a closet the other day and came across that—I had
forgot we even had it. Dont know why it never made it out into the display
case.
The tix went into the could be framed pile of shwag/souviners.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
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Dec 19, 2008 1:30 PM PST
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I framed my opening day at PacBell ticket, but don’t even know where it is now.
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by Goofus on
Dec 19, 2008 3:13 PM PST
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I framed my ticket from the final game at the stick
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Dec 19, 2008 11:46 PM PST
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Relievers ERA
McC and BCB have opened up a new world of baseball stats to me. I am trying to learn as I read each day. Very interesting.
Doesn’t the G’s relievers combined ERA compared to other the teams in MLB tell you most of what you want to know about good, average or bad bullpen?
Is there a stat designed to measure how the G’s relievers did individually and combined from preventing runners they inherited or allowed to get on base from coming in to score? I assume the stat would have to take into account the number of base runners inherited and whether they are on 1B, 2B or 3B.
Radical Racing
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Dec 21, 2008 2:33 PM PST
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There are a number of stats concerned primarily with relievers and the situations that they enter the game in, Baseball Prospectus has WXRL, and Fangraphs has WPA. Both measure the effectiveness of relievers in higher and lower “leverage” spots. Leverage can change depending on the number of runners on, number of outs, and the inning. Baseball prospectus also keeps track of relievers’s strand rates and suchnot.
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Dec 21, 2008 3:07 PM PST
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Yeah, reliever’s ERA is darn close to useless.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on
Dec 21, 2008 9:34 PM PST
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A reliever's ERA is useless
A bullpen’s ERA is less useless.
I’m skeptical of “Leverage” type stats, insofar as they’re rather team/situation dependent. They tell you the pitcher’s value to the team in the past season, but they’re not getting at the player’s “true talent level” ( an admittedly nebulous subject, that leverage-based stat aren’t designed to evaluate).
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on
Dec 21, 2008 9:48 PM PST
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I agree 100%.
I actually think that almost none of the stats that show how effective a reliever was will give you any idea of how effective a reliever will be. So many of the things that actually prevent runs for a reliever are determined by luck and flukey crap. It seems like the best thing to do for a GM is just grab guys that are strong in FIP-related skills and hope that luck does the rest.
by oldjacket on
Dec 21, 2008 11:01 PM PST
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Holds.
(resting now. call back later,)
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on
Dec 22, 2008 12:14 AM PST
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I think my favorite stat for a reliever is K/BB. Since a reliever often comes in with men on base (who can often score even if an out is recorded), the ability to stike guys out is even more valuble in relivers. Also, since about the worst thing in the world a reliever can do is walk guys, the ability to not walk guys is pretty cool, too.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on
Dec 22, 2008 10:25 AM PST
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Do we gots one of those?
Brian “Jekyll” Wilson – Hyde?
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on
Dec 22, 2008 11:30 AM PST
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So what, Goofus? You want some kind of relief that gets a lot of strikeouts AND doesn’t give up many walks? Yeah, like that kind of guy exists! Sheesh.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on
Dec 22, 2008 1:49 PM PST
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I asked Santa for one…and a pony.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on
Dec 22, 2008 2:32 PM PST
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I hope when he leaves you your pony, he remembers to cut an air hole into the wrapping paper. He forgot with mine…. It was still cool to get a pony and everything, but riding it wasn’t quite the same.
Beating it was way better, though. So I guess it’s a trade-off.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Dec 22, 2008 2:44 PM PST
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That IS where dead horses come from, right?
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on
Dec 24, 2008 11:09 AM PST
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McC and BCB have opened up a new world of baseball stats to me.
And there in lies the problem.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
by WalrusMan on
Dec 22, 2008 4:35 PM PST
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That title belies his VP savvy
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on
Dec 22, 2008 9:39 PM PST
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