McCovey Chronicles Community Prospect List #19
by marcello on Dec 16, 2008 6:40 PM PST
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PrintFeel free to make a write in as your vote. Just list who you want, don't vote in the poll, and then try and make a case to sway people. Testers will be rotated in, and next poll the lowest vote totals will be "Testers."
1. SP Madison Bumgarner
2. C Buster Posey
3. SP Tim Alderson
4. 1B Angel Villalona
5. 2B Nick Noonan
6. 3B Conor Gillaspie
7. SP Henry Sosa
8. OF Rafael Rodriguez
9. OF Roger Kieschnick
10. SP Kevin Pucetas
11. 1B Travis Ishikawa
12. OF Wendell Fairley
13. SP Scott Barnes
14. SS Brandon Crawford
15. SS Ehire Adrianza
16. SP Clayton Tanner
17. SP Jesse English
18. SP Joseph Martinez
For info on the prospects see this.
Poll will close at 5 PM Thursday night.
Testers: Jose Casilla, Justin Hedrick, Kelvin Pichardo, Ryan Rohlinger, Ben Snyder
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Now that Martinez is FINALLY off the board, I get to vote for someone new. I went with Aaron King.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Even though he was old in a low league
Nicholson’s stats are too ridiculous for me to ignore
"I didn't know (after seeing a spectacular over-the-shoulder catch) whether to shit or go blind." - Former Giants Outfielder Harvey Kuenn on Willie Mays
PERDOMO ORIGATO!!!
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
Joey’s gone
I… I don’t know what to do with myself
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
just kidding
King
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I know what you mean..
I have no idea who to vote for.
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That’s hawt.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
Is he going to play OF from now on? He’s intriguing, but I think if he stays at 1B he’s got problems.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
We’re at #19, everyone’s got problems. He’s young, he can hit, he hasn’t yet proven he’s useless in the field….
I agree. I went with Aaron “Weird Arm Shredding Pitching Motion” King!
Just wondering why you picked him.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
Whim, really. If King didn’t throw funny, I’d vote for him. If Matt Downs had a position, I’d vote for him. If Guzman hadn’t been adopted by Goofus, I’d vote for him.
Tainted.
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Matt Downs
Plays all over, but his numbers so far seem to show he can hit enough that he could stick at a number of those positions. No rush. Jesus may be get called up this year on his one year contract, but Downs will be around in 2010 and beyond. There will be a spot for him. It may be utility bench guy, but there will be a spot.
Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.
Definitely not Downs. Why is everyone so excited about a 24-year-old who hits like a utility infielder? Are those really so valuable? His numbers aren’t great once you take the air out of ’em by adjusting for the California League hitting environment.
Is anyone really excited about anyone at this point?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
oh wilriv
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
::tries this::
Am excited about EME. Think his power is back. Could move to pitcher.
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“I love L.A……….lalalalalalalalalala”
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 17, 2008 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
HOPE!
CHANGE!
Hope you have any loose change after taxes!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 17, 2008 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
Damn.
Did it wrong.
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If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
I like King, Sanchez, and Neal.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
NEAL
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 17, 2008 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
Saying Downs hits like a utility infielder is too harsh. He was one of the best hitters in the Cal League last year despite playing in the league’s toughest park.
Unfortunately, he seems to be a utility infielder. If he could play a good second base I would have some hope for him as a late bloomer, but no one seems impressed by his glove at all.
i think he could hot like a utility infielder in the majors. in SJ he’s seems like a legit slugger.
on the other hand I graded him because i thought his versatility was a plus. Evan is talking like his defense at 2nd is poor.
Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.
Well, I don’t actually know. But if his defense at second was good, wouldn’t they be keeping him there, instead of training him at third, first, outfield, etc?
i see your point. he’s a guy that may not have quite the range for second, or the arm for third. still I like him, with his flaws for the 19-20th spot on the list. I’d be easier just to give the players a letter grade a la Sickels. That would better represent the ties.
Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.
Evan
I agree. I don’t think it is that his defense is poor. I think the primary reason that he gets moved around so often is that they want his bat on the field. His defense is not his strongest asset, but seems to be acceptable enough to place him in multiple IF positions. Trying to find a position for his bat at the MLB level.
Downs was drafted by the D’Backs in 2003 as a pitcher, but chose to transfer to Alabama. Remember, Downs was a JC pitcher when he transferred to Alabama in Fall 2004. In 2005, he was shifted to a utility IF/Pitcher status. He was 23 years old when he graduated college and was drafted. In 2006 his line at Alabama was .298/..388/.460/.848 with 7 HR’s in 252 AB’s.
Including his Rookie league games, he has played 250 profesional baseball games from short season A to AAA in a just over three years.
His total professional line is .299/.360/.473/.832 in 978 AB’s. These numbers include his short stint at Fresno last year where his line was .244/.298/.407/.705 with 3 HR’s in 86 AB’s in 22 games.
Gotta go with my son at #19.
My adopted sons Matt Downs and Ben Copeland . Still not ramked in the McC prospect list.
BTW, I can post the full stats line when I get home. I am at work and we’ve got a new SYSADMIN who is working through his “control issues” right now. Rather than write the HTML for the tables, I would prefer to post a “photo” of the spreadsheet. Alas, photobucket is blocked here. :-(
My adopted sons Matt Downs and Ben Copeland . Still not ramked in the McC prospect list.
I'm too lazy to find the link at the moment
But I remember reading an interview with Downs on the sj giants site where he said he doesn’t see himself as a second baseman in the future (although he could play there if necessary).
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
Guzman
I’ve been trying to figure out where to put Guzman in the list since we signed him. Sickels has him as the 25th ranked prospect in the A’s system (Sickels listed 26 players in a top 20 list as he feels the A’s are that deep). That along with his record-breaking RBI performance in the VWL, makes me think he should be in the Giants top 20. He probably is not ready to compete for a major league job and that’s probably why he didn’t get protected or chosen in the Rule 5 draft. So, I think he beats Rohlinger out for the Fresno third base job or maybe shares second and third with Rohlinger and someone else (Downs, Burris?) in Fresno.
QUIRARTE
should have been off the board long time ago
waiting for 2011....
He’s a relief pitcher. I’d take Hedrick over him right now if we’re going relievers.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Me too
I actually voted for Hedrick a few times already until I realized I was throwing my crucial vote away.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
All-Father
Matos is a potential set-up guy and way closer to the majors than Quirarte.
Josh Phelps is the new Scott McClain.
by EliminateMe on Dec 16, 2008 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
Definitely Matos over Quirarte, at this point.
Me and the Nevada guys will remind all of you about your snub of Matt Downs when he wins his third consecutive MVP award this summer in Norwich.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
Is anyone else un-impressed with Matos’ stuff? His fastball seems to be around 92mph and the slider didn’t have great movement when I saw it. He just looked so average, useful in middle innings, but I can’t see him being a high leveraged reliever yet. He’s had success in the minors, but his pitch stuff didn’t wow me like his numbers have.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
Matos/Pichardo
I wasn’t impressed either. He wasn’t bad, but he definitely did not impress as much as Romo and Hinshaw. If we are speaking of relievers, I think Pichardo is probably a better prospect. He has a mid to high 90’s fastball and had good stats at Connecticut. He was a bit rough in the Arizona Fall League though (as was Matos).
I'm voting Edwin too
he may just be a reliever, but based on what I’ve read, I’m fairly confident he will contribute some day at the big league level.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 16, 2008 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
EME
Gap to gap I like.
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
by Giant among Angels on Dec 16, 2008 9:05 PM PST reply actions
Here’s my pitch for Thomas Neal. He’s young, and the phrase “light-tower power” was in one of his Baseball America scouting reports.
He walked in about 10 percent of his plate appearances, and his strikeout rate isn’t excessive. Neal may be able to handle an outfield corner again (rather than just first base). Some guy on the Internet said he saw Neal playing outfield in instructional league.
Also, Augusta’s not a great hitting environment, so his numbers are probably a little better than they seem, and he finished the season strong.
Baseball Prospectus projects that if he follows a normal development path, based on his age and performance so far, he’ll peak as a .270/.360/.460 player in the bigs, which is about average for a corner outfielder.
while I did vote for Neal
Isn’t his k rate pretty high? If I’m doing my math right, he struck out in over 20% of his PAs in 2008, which sounds like a lot.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
Yeah, it’s around 25 percent. That’s high but not terrible for a guy who projects to have good power.
by Dan from NM on Dec 16, 2008 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
A vote for Luis Perdomo is a vote for America….you are all commies are you?
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
I’m a Neo-Commie
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
I’ll give you a nice shiny nickel for a vote for Luis
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
Joseph Martinez!
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is there a reason why Kelvin Pichardo is nowhere on the list or even a tester
the guy has great numbers, i don’t see why he shouldn’t be on the list
"But if he's swinging at real flies, well, in that case there are two definite solutions: 1) Fresno 2) Ritalin." - howtheyscored
Ok, I added him to the testers. He’ll get rotated in.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
How far do we have to go...
before we get to Sundrendy Winster? Who cares about stats — that’s a name with a high ceiling.
voting Downs now—he already did real good at High A, is not that old at 24 and I like the versatility. Considering Ochoa was on the bigleague roster most of last year despite being overmatched as a hitter.
Looking again at Thomas Neal—he walked 3X as much as Angel V., and struck out a little less. And is 3 yrs older, at 21—both have August birthdays. Neal led the Augusta regulars in OBP and SLG. Too late, I already voted Downs.
not intending to hijack, I’m wondering where will Angel celebrate his #21 on Aug 17, 2011?
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Funny...
I voted for King last time, but now that Sanchez is back on the board Aaron will have to wait.
"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean
by Smotheredinhugs on Dec 17, 2008 8:34 AM PST reply actions
MLB.com still has him as an A’s prospect
I hope this is a mistake and he gets a shot at 3rd this spring
link
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081216&content_id=3719632&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
Sorry here is a link to the story
looking at the box score of that game, some cat named Castillo played LF and is also hitting pretty well. Maybe he should get a spring training invite. I hear he can play left, third, second and even some shortstop. Sounds like a good guy to have around.
Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.
Eh
I went with Jesus, but honestly it’s getting to the stage where I don’t really care that much any more.
Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!
Thomas Neal...
making a closing run since his picture was posted in a fanShot.
The power of an indifferent near-smile!
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
Watch for Luis Perdomo headshots, coming to a fanshot near you!
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
Neal before Zod!
Ok. Neal is in the lead so it’s time to project the winner of the #19 slot to Neal!
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 17, 2008 11:50 PM PST reply actions
a weak victory though (as it should be with all these pretty even players) 18% like Neal for #19. So 82% want someone else at the #19 spot. But probably on 2% is actually upset. Such as anyone who can’t stop thinking about EME or the Jesus..
Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.
There's still a few more hours.
I’m not sure what marcello wants to do, whether we are runningoff still or what.
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by foothillsfan on Dec 18, 2008 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
Please no more runoffs
Unless there’s an exact tie.
There’s still time to vote for Matos!
Josh Phelps is the new Scott McClain.
Nice, I agree.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
I was thinking, unless the vote comes to an exact tie, we should just skip the runoffs and declare a winner.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
I agree…and in case of a tie, the tie goes to Perdomo.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
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