My fake trade
by confusitron on Dec 16, 2008 12:31 PM PST
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Here it is:
Randy Winn and Henry Sosa, Pucetas, or Jesse English for Phil Hughes (Giants take on $2-3 mil of his contract)
1. This solves the Yankees CF problem and gives them a solid bat
2. Clears the way for Nate to take over RF
3. Clears a spot for a possible Dunn or Pat Burrell signing
Imagine a rotation of Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, Hughes, Zito with MadBum and Alderson waiting in the wings?
Yes? No? Too much? Too little? Talk amongst yourselves
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No thanks to Phil Hughes, or paying for anyone’s contract.
"Tito Santana is like a cue-ball. The more you strike him, the more english you get out of him." -- Bobby Heenan
by LiquidPolio on Dec 16, 2008 12:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If there’s one thing we need more of, it’s pitchers with ERAs and BAAs higher than Zito’s.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Dec 16, 2008 12:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I Think I Prefer Any Of Sosa, Pucetas, And English To Hughes One For One
Phil Hughes and Homer Bailey are two top rated prospects that I think have shown me enough bad things at the MLB level to convience me they are not the pitchers their prospect reputations pretend them to be.
If we trade Rndy Winn there is no way we should have to pay any of his salary. Randy is actually paid below his market value.
by giantsrainman on Dec 16, 2008 12:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You would take Pucetas over Hughes?
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 16, 2008 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
really?
I would take Hughes over any of those three…
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
by shikantaza on Dec 16, 2008 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Am Not Suprised And I Understand That Most Would Agree With You
I just think he is not the real deal, way over rated, and destined to join John Van Landingham on the scrap heap of MLB pitching prospects.
by giantsrainman on Dec 16, 2008 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But still, you would take Pucetas over him? Even if you think he’s overrated you would do that?
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 16, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gut Feel - Absolutely
If say neither we Giants, both were exposed to the Rule 5 Draft, and I was responsible to make the draft choice then I would select Hughes and hate myself for not having the guts to go with my gut and instead making the conventional wisdom selection.
by giantsrainman on Dec 16, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So, you would choice Hughes? I’m a tad confused.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 16, 2008 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
choice = choose
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 16, 2008 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No it doesn’t.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 16, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
William?
I don’t think he was ever a top prospect, was he? I just thought he had a decent year, so expectations soared.
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
by shikantaza on Dec 16, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, It Was William - Not Sure Why I First Remembered John
I also thought he was a number 1 draft choice but I supose my memory could be failing me here too.
by giantsrainman on Dec 16, 2008 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
thinking of John Van Benschoten, #8 overall pick of the 2001 draft by the Pittsburgh Pirates. Many clubs wanted to draft him as a power bat OF, but the Pirates liked him more as a pitcher. Performed well until an unending series of shoulder and arm injuries/surgeries did him in.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
by Roger on Dec 16, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps he meant...
John Vander Wal?
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Dec 16, 2008 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Todd Van Poppel
Oasis’ “Vonder Vall”?
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Dec 16, 2008 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Todd van Poppel
"Forget it Donny, you're out of your element"-Walter Sobchak
by icanplaythird on Dec 16, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dick Van Dyke
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Dec 16, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Van Dyke Parks
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Dec 16, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chan Ho Park
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Dec 16, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chan Marshall
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Dec 16, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Neko Case
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Dec 16, 2008 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Velvet Underground and Nico
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 16, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Revolverlution
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Dec 16, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Revolution 9
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
by WalrusMan on Dec 16, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
October Fall
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on Dec 16, 2008 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
November Coming Fire
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
by WTF on Dec 16, 2008 11:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fire Arcade
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
by Roger on Dec 17, 2008 6:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Burnin' Down The Hot Topic
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
by Giant among Angels on Dec 17, 2008 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
destined to join John Van Landingham
I trust you mean Camper Van Landingham.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Dec 16, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope - I Absolutely Ment William Von LaunchingPad
by giantsrainman on Dec 16, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
5th round pick. Never an outstanding prospect. In his best minor league year he did K 173 batters in 170 IP, but he also walked an astounding 87, a career problem he could never get control of.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
by Roger on Dec 17, 2008 6:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
William Van Landingham
So wild in college ball (Univ. of Kentucky Wildcats) that he was left off the traveling squad. Or so reports said when he was drafted.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Dec 18, 2008 7:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Giving up on Hughes because of ~100 poor innings of pitching (and really, he’s still pitched well enough to be an ok 5th starter in that time) is very silly
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 16, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You so crazy!
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil and has "looked just super so far," according to Felipe Alou...according to Baggs.
by BrianBokake on Dec 17, 2008 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how the mighty have fallen
last year the yanks lost out on santana because they refused to include hughes and change. now hes not even worth winn and sosa. lol.
Garlic fries 08
by operation carrot on Dec 16, 2008 12:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Phil Hughes?
/ falls apart after sneezing
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 16, 2008 12:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I heard that he could be a great converted center fielder...
that might allow Nate to move to third base.
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
by shikantaza on Dec 16, 2008 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fake Trade Scorecard(tm)
———————————————————————————-
Total = 1,015 points
Fake Trade Approved
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 16, 2008 12:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Numbers can be used to prove anything.
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Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 16, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And nothing.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 16, 2008 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And sometimes something.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on Dec 16, 2008 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Something in the way she moves
Protects me like no other prospect.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Dec 19, 2008 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no one else seems to agree so far, but I'd pull the trigger on this...
Hughes has struggled, but he’s still young and he had really, really good minor league numbers. He has the stuff to be a very good pitcher and would probably benefit from a change of scenery and a drop in expectations due to being traded for Winn.
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
by shikantaza on Dec 16, 2008 12:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The trade is with the Yankees so no need to eat any salary. Hughes appears healthy again and is pitching well.
by wilriv21 on Dec 16, 2008 12:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
wait a sec...
Is Phil Hughes really damaged goods? I think he had a couple years of unlucky injuries, but before that he was ranked right up there with Lincecum as a prospect. If the Yankees wanted to trade him, I’d be very interested. Not sure about the Winn etc proposed package — I’d need more info about Hughes’s medical outlook.
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by leftymalo on Dec 16, 2008 12:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he’s damaged goods. His injuries weren’t related to his arm, which is good (hamstring in ‘07 and oblique in ’08). He might not be as good as he was hyped to be (Yankee prospect, lol) but, he’s still a good prospect and I would take him over Pucetas and English in a second.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 16, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he's currently injured...
is he?
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
by shikantaza on Dec 16, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he’s pitching in a winter league in the Carribean.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 16, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A torn hamstring is not an UNLUCKY injury
A linedrive off the elbow (Prior), and a broken bat through your esophogus (Yeager) are unlucky injuries
Brian Sabean is akin to a treatable form of cancer... just get rid of it before it kills you
by milesntrane on Dec 16, 2008 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lucky for the Warriors…3-13 with Maggette, 4-4 without.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on Dec 16, 2008 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree with most people here, I’d love to get Hughes.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 16, 2008 12:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
People who would chose a finesse righty (Pucetas) and a guy with an even more impressive injury history (English) over Hughes are insane.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 16, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
srsly
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 16, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see why you might want to hang onto Sosa — upside, etc. — but those other two guys aren’t near Hughes’ class.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 16, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hughes has even more upside though.
I mean I think Hughes is younger than Sosa.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 16, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, agreed. I think Sosa has a real chance of ending up the bullpen, so that diminishes his value. But you can still pin some hope to him if you want and not be totally crazy.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 16, 2008 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
especially considering that so far, Hughes has had two major league pitching stints and in one he was a 100 ERA+ pitcher with a solid ~1.2 WHIP
i mean, come on, he was the 5th youngest pitcher in the AL last year.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 16, 2008 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. I’d take Hughes easily. I think he might have been a little over-hyped because that’s the nature of OMG YANKEE PROSPECTS but he’s got a lot of upside. And, as you noted, he’s had some flashes of success at the major league level already.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 16, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d take Hughes over any of those 3, but I think giving up Winn + Sosa would be a little too much. Maybe. You wanna run a WAR analysis a la Victor Wang?
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Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Dec 16, 2008 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really feel that this is close to the peak of the value we could expect for Winn. The deal sheds salary, fills in the end of the rotation (Hughes>Pucetas) and clears PT for Nate. You can debate Sosa v Pucetas v English all you want and there might be some merit to keeping Sosa (as jpons alluded to), but Hughes has the tools and is already in the majors.
by cornball on Dec 16, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For the record
IMO: Sosa>Pucetas>English
Winn + Sosa = Hughes? I would make that deal.
by cornball on Dec 16, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Winn and Sosa for Hughes would be an absolute steal. The Yankees need CF help but they would never do that. We’d have to toss in a much better prospect to go with Winn and Sosa.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 16, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re probably right. I also think that the Yankees are putting themselves in a position where they might be forced to sell low on a prospect to get the catcher or CF they need. My question, though, is whatever happened to the Mike Cameron trade.
by cornball on Dec 16, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers were flabbergasted that the Yankees actually asked for money to offset Cameron’s salary.
And if you’ve never had your flabber gasted, you have no idea how painful it can be.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 16, 2008 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ow
Giants: World Series Champions...in 2011.
by Giants_Junkie on Dec 16, 2008 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think if you look at his minor league record you can understand why he was so overhyped.
I mean, there’s really nothing much not to like in his minor league career. He has a sub-1.00 career WHIP!
Getting a player like him for Winn? Is actually probably more than we could hope for.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 16, 2008 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, his track record is damn good. I remember a lot of scouting reports padding his fastball velocity, saying it was in the mid-90’s but he’s more of a low-90’s guy.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 16, 2008 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, I can’t believe? I just phrased a sentence like this.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 16, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s OK. My brain turns off around this time of day.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 16, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m reaching the end of my exam period and my brain is fried.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 16, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
u should eat ur fried brain
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 16, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
om nom nom nom
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 16, 2008 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You should eat those zombies, Lars
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Dec 16, 2008 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would if they were in pie form.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 16, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exams?
what good have THOSE done for anyone?
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Dec 16, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They have given great profit to the makers of anti-depressants, analgesics, antacids, bluebooks, scantrons, and #2 pencils. —Not to mention the profit derived by those who distill spirits … Why without exams our economy would just collap….. oh yeah, right…
by Merope on Dec 17, 2008 6:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you angling for a Congressional bailout, Merope? ; )
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Dec 18, 2008 8:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ya rly
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
by shikantaza on Dec 16, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Hughes a local guy?
Moving from New Yawk to his hometown team could benefit him.
by Useful_Idiot on Dec 16, 2008 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s from SoCal, but committed to Santa Clara before getting drafted by the Yanks in ’04.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on Dec 16, 2008 6:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pass
Not that I dislike Hughes…
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Dec 16, 2008 1:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Also this stuff
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Dec 16, 2008 1:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sucks to have your mechanics compared to Tim
Here’s the wrong way:
/Phil Hughes pic.
Here’s the right way:
/Enchanter destructo torque pic
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 16, 2008 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where can I get an Enchanter Destructo Torgue figurine?
Fuck bobbleheads!
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Dec 16, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck bobbleheads!
They do seem convenient for that, don’t they.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 16, 2008 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it a question or a statement?! We’ll never know!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 16, 2008 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So THAT’s what people see in bobbleheads. I never understood the attraction before….
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Dec 18, 2008 8:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In all his rush to sign pitchers, Brian Cashman forgot how to build outfields. He has four corner outfielders (Damon, Matsui, Nady and Swisher) and no center fielders (Cabrera? Really?). Brian “Show Me Your Centerfielders” Sabean should be all to willing to show the Yankees how it’s done.
by cornball on Dec 16, 2008 1:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees would NEVER take that
Unless they fealt Phil Hughes arm was about to fall off.
This trade is an example of trying to trade a handful of pennies for a dollar, just because collectively the two have similar values, it doesn’t make them equal
by NeifiChicken on Dec 16, 2008 1:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. You can’t use pennies in the junk food machine.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Dec 18, 2008 8:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Would they even give Hughes up? He’s still a part of their planned rotation isn’t he?
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Dec 16, 2008 2:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No. Their planned rotation right now is CC, AJ, Wang, Pettitte and Joba. If Pettitte turns down their offer of one year 10 million, Hughes might get a shot. More probably they’ll just sign yet another FA if Pettitte decides to pass
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by rxmeister on Dec 16, 2008 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my fake trade brings all the boys to the yaaaard
by oldjacket on Dec 16, 2008 2:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It’s not better than mine, though.
Oh wait… they’re saying that it is. Nevermind….
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 16, 2008 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with NeifiChicken and Goofus
No way the Yankees make that deal. They still have Melky Cabrera if the Mike Cameron deal falls through. And I think they view Hughes the same way the Giants view Sanchez. The value for both is low compared to their upside. If the Yankees wouldn’t include him in a trade for Johann they aren’t going to take this trade.
Of course, if they were willing, I would do it in a second.
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by marklar on Dec 16, 2008 2:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hughes>Sanchez
Maybe that will change, but as of right now, I would GREATLY prefer Hughes to Sanchez. There’s still a lot of “known quantity” with Hughes. We don’t have much of that with El Guapo.
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Dec 16, 2008 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right.
With a choice between the 2, I would pick Hughes. I only equated them in the similarity each has to their club. As the Giants are not ging to give away Sanchez at his current trade value (I hope), the Yankees aren’t going to trade away Hughes at his current value either. Both of them have upsides that are higher than what the teams could get in return.
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by marklar on Dec 16, 2008 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
Phil Yeeew? No way.
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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 16, 2008 2:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m hoping Jeff_Fuller_50 has more insightful comments.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 16, 2008 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s what I’d expect from the guy who keeps saying the Niners need to trade Frank Gore for Tom Brady, or something.
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by marcello on Dec 16, 2008 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Could we trade Matt Cain for Tom Brady?
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on Dec 16, 2008 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only if we get Lars Anderson thrown in too. We might need to add something to even it out then, maybe Jonathan Cheechoo?
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
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by marcello on Dec 16, 2008 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So Cain and Cheechoo for Brady and Lars? Hmmm, I’d name a San Jose Earthquake to balance it our further, but I can’t.
Pele, does he play for them?
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on Dec 16, 2008 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably. If he doesn’t, Boston probably won’t figure it out until it’s too late, so we’re good.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 16, 2008 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cheechoo’s always getting injured, let’s get Shelley instead. I think he’d enjoy Juggernating a catcher or two.
by Merope on Dec 17, 2008 6:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hah
You’re so funny, Marcelo.
2nd Infantry Division --- Second to None!
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 17, 2008 7:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Two l’s.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Dec 17, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TakeAGiantJeffFullerAndGo
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on Dec 16, 2008 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're
too young to know Jeff Fuller. Bless you and may you have a Merry Christmas. You, too, Marcelo and Natto.
2nd Infantry Division --- Second to None!
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 17, 2008 7:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Two Ls , damn you.
Nallo
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Dec 19, 2008 12:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe...
just maybe he’s not worth another “L.”
2nd Infantry Division --- Second to None!
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 26, 2008 12:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The question of why?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all.
by baetown415 on Dec 16, 2008 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why ask why? Try Bud Dry.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on Dec 16, 2008 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1. This solves the Yankees CF problem and gives them a solid bat
2. Clears the way for Nate to take over RF
3. Clears a spot for a possible Dunn or Pat Burrell signing
I believe the above answers your question.
You don’t have to agree. But your question was answered before you even asked it…
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on Dec 16, 2008 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Phil Hughes is going to be a star, but only if he gets out of New York. He’ll never get a shot with the Yankees after last year, when Cashman refused to trade him for Johan Santana. He’ll get spot starts here and there, but if he doesn’t dominate he’ll go right back to the minors.
Brian Sabean's dad- will make a few phone calls to help his son find a new job after next season
by rxmeister on Dec 16, 2008 7:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I feel like the Yankees are almost required to give him another shot
They held on to him when they clearly could’ve used him to get an elite pitcher in Santana, so it would be in their best interest to give him another season to see what he can do
by Useful_Idiot on Dec 17, 2008 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to have Phil Hughes. He’s risky, of course, but the Giants are in a position where they can trade certainty for upside risk.
by Dan from NM on Dec 16, 2008 8:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So Basically You Want the Gyros to Suck
You want to take away one of the only consistent Giants producers (Winn) to get a big injury-risk, unproven pitcher (Phil Hughes), and sign a guy in Dunn that strikes out too much. Think about Rowand, Lewis, and Dunn in the first 4 spots of the line-up. That’d be 400+ strikeouts (aka: pointless outs) in one year between three guys in the first part of the line-up. No thanks.
It’s true that Hughes COULD be something special. And it’s true that Dunn COULD hit 30-35 HRs in our backyard. Anchor Steam COULD be reasonably priced at the Park, and Lou Seal COULD be less annoying, but let’s not focus on what COULD be and let’s focus on what things actually are.
Brian Sabean is akin to a treatable form of cancer... just get rid of it before it kills you
by milesntrane on Dec 16, 2008 9:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Let’s not and say we did.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
by Mike Hawk on Dec 16, 2008 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well then
How exactly are you so sure that Winn won’t put up another .265 season like he did in 06? Also, he’s in his mid-30s, and he’ll be a free agent after this season.
Everything in baseball is a risk- it’s just a matter of which ones you take, and which ones you pass on.
by Useful_Idiot on Dec 17, 2008 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sosa
I might take Sosa out of the mix, but I would indeed trade both Randy Winn and any of the other starters mentioned for Phil Hughes. Heck, if pushed, I’d probably even go Sosa.
Phil has struggled with injuries the past two seasons, but two years ago he was the consensus #1 pitching prospect ahead even of Tim Lincecum. I believe Phil is still only 22.
By the way, the only way this deal could possibly make sense for the Yankees would be if they fell Randy can fill their center field near-void. Keep in mind too that Randy has a limited no-trade clause, so he might be able to block a trade to the Yankees. On the other hand, since it would seem to give him the best shot at a ring, he might well relish the idea.
by sharksrog on Dec 26, 2008 1:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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