NL WEST DREAM TEAM (to win now and in the future think about contracts to)
by caincecum on Dec 15, 2008 11:51 AM PST
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C-Russel Martin LA, Chris Ianetta CO 1b. Adrian Gonzalez SD 2b. Blake Dewitt, Emmanuel Burris Sf SS.Troy Tulowitzki CO, Stephen Drew AZ 3b.Kevin Kouzmanoff SD, Ian Stewart CO 1f.Connor Jackson AZ, Fred Lewis SF Cf. Matt Kemp LA, Chris Young AZ rf.Justin Upton AZ, Andre Eithier LA
SP.Tim Lincecum SF SP.Brandon Webb AZ SP.Clayton Kershaw LA SP.Matt Cain SF SP.Chad Billingsley LA
RP.Manny Corpas CO RP.Huston Street CO RP.John Broxton LA RP.Hong-Chi Kuo LA RP.Sergio Romo SF CP.Brian Wilson SF
I'll make a minor league team soon as well to make us feel better
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lol, Hinshaw made your dream team bullpen.
He might not even last in the Giants bullpen.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
ummmm
Brad Lidge resides in the Nl East? and there is no Hinshaw? AGain I made this post on a giants blog so it’s biased
Re: Lidge
I’ll shut up now.
(but you DID have Hinshaw in there, so don’t try to act like he wasn’t)
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
not to mention that he still has Sergio Mitre on there (who is currently working his way back from Tommy John surgery in the Yankees organization)
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 15, 2008 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
are the Phillies in the NL West now?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 15, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
SAN DIEGO STATE gets him through!!
Fight on and on ye Aztec men
Sons of Montezuma
We will win again
Keep your spirits high
Never bow a knee
We will fight till victory
Fight on and on ye Aztec men
Proudly raise your banners high
For it’s the Red and Black
Hail to our team
San Diego Aztecs fight!
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
I went to SDSU and didn’t even know there was a fight song with words.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
shhh, I had to look them up too. I even worked for Double X sports radio and never heard it. I always thought the fight song was people counting keg stands at the SAE house. Maybe I didn’t get out enough…
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
Were you an SAE? I was a TEKE there in the days before they got kicked off campus.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
Yeah, lived at the house for a couple of years then down the hill on Tierra Baja off Campanile…Can’t believe we almost got kicked off cause one brother and 2 kicked out pledges were selling drugs…
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
And you know what they say,
If you can’t go greek, GO TEKE!
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
SAE at my school is full of the biggest bunch of wasted drugees I’ve ever seen.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to vent. You may continue.
by Useful_Idiot on Dec 16, 2008 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
Where do you go?
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
Emmanuel Burriss is on your “dream” team? You should probably wake up from that dream and watch Blake DeWitt. Also, this may be considered blasphemy around here, but you left off the single best position player in the division, Russell Martin.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 15, 2008 11:56 AM PST reply actions
that would be wrong
but not really worth getting into an argument over
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 15, 2008 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
ummm
why would it be wrong? you could say Kemp could stay in CF for quite sometime and can put up 300./360.500 25hr 100rbi 30 sb’s as a center fielder next year. In my mind it’s very debatable but not outright “wrong”
Kemp isn’t a good CF, Martin’s the correct choice here. Upton, if you want to go with upside.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
revisionist history...?
Giants: World Series Champions...in 2011.
by Giants_Junkie on Dec 15, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
This thread makes no sense
he’s edited the original post too many times
by Useful_Idiot on Dec 16, 2008 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Kent and Hudson are leaving the division so….
Maybe Blake Dewitt? I dunno.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
here comes noonan!
i adopt brian sabean... take that dramatic irony!
by Headhunter Rollins on Dec 15, 2008 11:58 AM PST reply actions
well....
I meant to say theres a few “homer picks” mitre, hinshaw and burris and i forgot about Martin I’ll edit that
Nah.
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Was this whole thing edited a few times? Mitre?
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
by Giant among Angels on Dec 15, 2008 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
kershaw, cain and billingsly over haren is silliness
also stephen drew > tulowitzki
by TimLincecumIsGod on Dec 15, 2008 12:04 PM PST reply actions
Okay
Billingsley is already arguably better and is what 4 years younger? A whole lot cheaper. Cain: when Haren was 23 he only threw 46 innings in the majors compared to Cain when he was 23 threw 217 with a 3.76 era and 186 k’s and is much cheaper. Remember cost and the future matter as well. Kershaw’s ceiling is ridiculous and I also wanted to throw in a lefty
Haren’s contract is pretty awesome.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Over Jake Peavy too!
Probably should be
Lincecum, Webb, Peavy, Haren, Billingsley.
(prove me wrong Matt, prove me wrong)
I'll admit
this is the most biased post ever but in order to fit in Cain I counted Peavy as good as gone
My new Wii bowling nickname is Wilford Brimley…I don’t fake throw the fake ball with the controller fast enough..could be worse, they could have called me Tim Wakefield, but luckily my friends spend more time watching commercials than baseball…suckers.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
276 suckas...
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Someone only looked at last season’s offense?
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
as opposed to what? its not like they both have long track records that i’m ignoring. i’m looking at the fact that tulo was horrible for a lot of last year, and was injured for a lot of the season as well. drew had a very solid season, stayed healthy, and has more major league experience. i’d rank them pretty close together, but as of right now i’d take drew over tulo.
by TimLincecumIsGod on Dec 15, 2008 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
I do not concur
It is just my opinion, but Troy Tulowitzki is the best shortstop in the NL, his injury-marred 2008 notwithstanding. Drew has a lot of promise, and most likely will be very good. Tulo is better.
If I could blow up the Giants’ offense, and select anybody, I’d begin with Tulowitzki and Longoria.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
Hanley and Longoria, I think you mean.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
I’d have to think about it. Utley is a beast, but he’s already 30, so if you’re weighing long term as well….it’d be close.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
30 is the new 20…just ask Jay-Z
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
Oh, I thought he was late 20s
The vast difference on defense still makes it at least very close.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Utley was actually more valuable defensively than he was offensively last year.
Hell of a player.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Hey now
I wouldn’t say that. You’re probably referring to his ridiculous +/- of +47, but that has to be a fluke – it’s just way better than anything he had ever posted before. More accurate systems (UZR and PMR) had him at 15-20 runs above average, which is more in line with his career numbers. Offensively, he was more like 40 runs above average for his position, which obviously adds up to a fantastic ballplayer.
But I’d still take Hanley over him.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
HanRam’s 2008 fielding performance was also probably a fluke….
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
I don't know
It’s much easier for me to believe that a 24 y-o, extremely athletic guy like Ramirez managed to drastically improve his defense, especially since it’s supported by all of the play-by-play metrics, not just +/-.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 15, 2008 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
So you’re going to discount the year before where Tulo tore it up both offensively and defensively (the latter being something Drew will never do at short) while Drew sucked it up? I’m not saying that Tulo’s definitely better or that Drew’s recent performance doesn’t mean a lot but just going by one year’s worth of performance isn’t the way to go.
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
but just going by one year’s worth of performance isn’t the way to go.
isn’t this what you’re doing?
by TimLincecumIsGod on Dec 16, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
no, I’m taking both years into consideration. When both one has had one good year and one year that was bad and partially injurious and the other one had a bad year and a decent year (because he gave away a bunch of runs with his glove), I think it’s close to a wash right now.
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
isn’t sergio mitre in the yankees org
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
If this is for the future
…then where is Darren Baker? Huh? Answer me that!
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
I know! I know!
Needs more Bocock.
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If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
C Martin
1B A Gon
2B Ian Stewart
SS Tulo
3B Chase Headley
LF MAtt Kemp
CF Chris B Young
RF Justin Upton
SP’s Peavy, Lincecum, Webb, Billingsley, Kershaw
boo
Lincecum/Cain > Billingsley/Kershaw
"I didn't know (after seeing a spectacular over-the-shoulder catch) whether to shit or go blind." - Former Giants Outfielder Harvey Kuenn on Willie Mays
by stealth snail on Dec 15, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
well
only when you combine Cain and Lincecum
Billingsley and Kershaw both get an edge over Cain in my book. Cain has the potential to repass Billingsley, but right now there’s no way you can give Cain the edge over Billingsley
by NeifiChicken on Dec 15, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
what’s Kershaw done to earn that spot though? The guy misses bats, to be sure, but he also misses the strike zone just as much.
Well the subject said going forward and I personally think Kershaw has the brighter future going forward. It’s tough though, as Cain is certainly more proven.
Both have taken a similar path to the bigs, but I guess in my mind Kershaw being left handed had some sort of edge. Plus I feel like Kershaw’s stuff is more electric.
I think most people would take Cain though, and that is a good answer too. I think either way, you are very happy
by NeifiChicken on Dec 15, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
If
If I could trade Matt Cain for Clayton Kershaw, I would do so before the Dodgers came to their senses.
Yes, Matt is the better pitcher at this point. But Matt was also drafted four years ahead of Kershaw. Kershaw’s ceiling appears to be much higher, and his career could conceivably last four years later than Matt’s.
Since championships are won by stars and superstars, I will usually take the higher-ceilinged player. Clayton could wind up being close to Tim Lincecum. I would be shocked if Matt were to do so.
Matt just flat-out doesn’t have the swing-through stuff to become a superstar. I believe he can improve if he improves his control, but he walks almost twice as many hitters as Don Drysdale, so IMO he’s got a long way to go control-wise to become anything approaching a superstar.
Lincecum and Kershaw are the Koufaxes, while Billingsley and Cain are the Drysdales. And Billingsley would seem to be more likely to approach Drysdale than Matt is.
Three seasons ago I noted that Craig and Matt were similar. At that point I believed that Matt was slightly better. I was right that the two are similar, but I thus far have been wrong about the leader between the two.
Matt just flat-out doesn’t have the swing-through stuff to become a superstar.
That’s probably debatable. I don’t know if he’ll become a superstar — few players do — but he does have “swing-through stuff”. He’s posted above average K-swinging rates the last few years.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
Since championships are won by stars and superstars
Two words.
David Eckstein.
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 16, 2008 6:18 AM PST up reply actions
There will always be scrubs..
On every championship team. But what gets you there are the stars and superstars on the team. Albert Pujols, Scott Rolen, Jim Edmonds all had good to great years, and from the bench Chris Duncan and Scott Spiezio both had very good years. It also helped having Chris Carpenter go crazy on the world and Jeff Suppan go crazy on Jeff Suppan. They also had a strong bullpen.
In fact, David Eckstein had a better year than their starting C, 2B, and LF in 2006.
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irrelevant. David Eckstein wins championships.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 16, 2008 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
irrelevant
Johnnie Cochran:
“Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, Chef’s attorney would certainly want you to believe that his client wrote "Stinky Britches” ten years ago. And they make a good case. Hell, I almost felt pity myself! But, ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookie from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!"
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 16, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
For the love of all that is holy
please don’t compare Timothy LeRoy to Kershaw. I know Timmy got started a little later, but good god. Just look at the numbers.
Lincecum:
Minors: 13 GS, 63 IP, 104 SO, 1.00 ERA, 0.78 WHIP
Rookie Year: 24 GS, 146 IP, 150 SO, 111 ERA+, 1.28 WHIP
(I don’t think I need to show this year’s numbers)
Kershaw (who was promoted from AA):
Minors: 44 GS, 220 IP, 276 SO, 2.49 ERA, 1.12 WHIP
Rookie Year: 21 GS, 107.2 IP, 100 SO, 100 ERA+
IMO, Cain would be a much better comparison that to Cain who was the same age when promoted. He was also kinda having a meh year at AAA before getting called up which hurts his overall minor #’s:
Cain:
Minors: 75 GS, 397.2 IP, 447 SO, 3.33 ERA, 1.22 WHIP
Rookie Year: 31 GS, 190.2 IP, 179 SO, 108 ERA+, 1.28 WHIP
That also completely ignores when he was first called up but didn’t qualify as a rookie and put up an insane 183 ERA+ in his first 7 games in the majors.
Obviously the book is still out on Kershaw, but methinks comparing him to Lincecum and saying you would trade Cain for him is high treason around these parts.
"I didn't know (after seeing a spectacular over-the-shoulder catch) whether to shit or go blind." - Former Giants Outfielder Harvey Kuenn on Willie Mays
by stealth snail on Dec 16, 2008 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
also, Kershaw’s WHIP last year was 1.495
"I didn't know (after seeing a spectacular over-the-shoulder catch) whether to shit or go blind." - Former Giants Outfielder Harvey Kuenn on Willie Mays
by stealth snail on Dec 16, 2008 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Who would you take in a fight MATT AND TIM or clayton and chadwick
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
yeah, I made up the wick part…what if his name was Chadito?
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
This is more like it, although I’d switch out Kershaw for Haren.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
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by victor frankenstein on Dec 16, 2008 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Blake Dewitt?
sigh
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil and has "looked just super so far," according to Felipe Alou...according to Baggs.
I think
your team could probably compete for the wild card in the AL East.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
Best part
is that you couldnt come up with a 2nd first baseman. Loney is the obvious choice, but its funny that you went two deep at every other position.
Is McC charging for line breaks now?
Seriously. How about one position per line? That right there is a mess. Unreadable.
Also, I think if you’re going to change things in your fanpost after people comment on it, you should do so in an “Update” section. For one thing, doing otherwise makes the comments very confusing to read for someone who comes along later.
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If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio.
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