as Grant mentioned, Gutierrez value lies in his defense and his contract status. Don’t let his offense cloud your assessment of him.

let me check Xanthan’s tRA post and get back to you…

I wouldn’t hesitate to trade Wilson for the right price. I think his trade value is as high as it will get.

If the Giants were to trade Wilson, I’d rather see them get one or two higher quality players in return, rather than half a dozen or so fair-to-middling players.

who would work out with barry zito in the offseason?

huh? Putz is way better than Wilson. Wilson I guess would be cheaper. I don’t think any of the guys the Mariners got are particularly notable, except maybe Carp. Carrerra and Cieto are young arms… but not sure where they rank in terms of stuff/scouting. Their numbers don’t look particularly impressive.

Ben

Brewers are looking for pitching. Any kind of pitching. Starters, Relievers. Leftys. Rightys.
Giants are looking for hitting. Any kind of hitting. Power hitters. High average hitters. LHH. RHH,

Brewers have a ton of hitters. And infielders too.
SF has pitching. In the minors too.

Affeldt is a better pitcher and can be the CLOSER (if you believe in such things). The only problem is, there are so many available closers at the moment that we would have to wait until all of that shakes out and see what team actually winds up needing one.

Putz has already had two ridiculously dominant seasons. Wilson has had one season that was just fair in every respect except for his save totals.

Putz’s ’07 line is just nuts.
40 SV -10.4 K/9 – 1.38 ERA – 314 ERA+
makes his ’06 line look mediocre
36 SV – 12 K/9 – 2.30 ERA – 193 ERA+

Wilson was solid last year, but not that good.

Whoa, I didn’t know about that trade. Guess the Mets are just collecting closers now. Gotta catch ’em all!

I like this trade for the M’s, I was kinda surprised since the market for relievers seems really sluggish this offseason.

Finally my first post! What’s with waiting 24 hours before you can post anyway? Is the thinking behind it similar to the waiting period for guns??? We don’t want anyone who is all hot and bothered “shooting off” their mouth or what?

I wouldn’t think of trading Wilson unless the return was huge, which it wouldn’t be. I like the guy. I like his image, my friend works at the ballpark and he says Wilson is always running up and down the stairs like a maniac. I like the roller coaster ride we have to go on EVERY TIME he comes into a game. OK, maybe I don’t like that so much, but more often than not it worked out for us.

Right now he is probably in the weight room blasting his pecs with some AC/DC cranked up to the max.

I would trade Brian Wilson for Neil Young and a songwriter to be named later.

I was gonna make a fanpost/shot whatever but this is vaguely related enough to my question: what are those tricky mets up to? its not enough to have 1 top-5 dominant closer but they need 2! They actually got a better deal in K-rod than most people expected. Does that make it a good deal or still way too much for a closer? Are they crazybad or crazy like a fox for paying so much in money and prospects to turn their bullpen from crap to awesome? Wow imagine if Billy Wagner came back to near full-health next year =-0
I still can’t wait to watch them blow it again in September. We’ve all come to expect it, and I don’t think their non-santana starting pitching will let me down.

I’d let Wilson put up that one good year before trading. Sure he was an all-star, but it was undeserved

Odds are best of trading Sanchez. The Rangers and Marlins were told that he wasn’t being moved, perhaps, but I’d bet it has everything to do with who they were offering for him. Cantu? Come on.
I also still think that trading Bengie this winter is the best idea going forward.

I too think we shouldn’t trade Wilson unless the return was really strong in our favor. I think he’ll improve on his numbers this year (maybe not save totals, but his peripherals) and improve his value. Then maybe next year we can trade him and try someone else in the role (Romo or Affeldt?)

Of course, if he does well in 09 I doubt Sabean will deal him. I think he longs for a proven closer after the whole Nen debacle.

I sure do miss Robb Nen. :(

I just learned his name this year, I’m not gonna go through that again. I’m not even caught up on these prospects on the list in the corner of the page.

400%?

Sure , everybody wants to be a Putz.

I’d trade Wilson if we got a very good return, but i’d need some good quality & have an offer that you can’t refuse, rather than just a meh offer. I wouldn’t do it for a package similar to that, because whilst there’s a lot of quantity there, there just isn’t a huge amount of quality. Our farm system has improved a lot, and whilst we certainly need more depth, if i was trading Wilson i’d be more interested in getting back 1 or 2 better prospects.

I don’t think trading WIlson now, is probably the best thing though as the market for closers isn’t the hottest this year. Also, with it being Wilson’s first full year, and his higher ERA i’m not sure we’d get back maximal value for him