The Curious Case of Benji Molina
by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 2:22 PM PST
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If/when the Giants have finished their off season moves, do you think it will include a trade of Big Money? I'd think that if B-Mo is traded, it's most likely to the Red Sox or Yankees (assuming both teams move on from Varitek & Posada). Remember this isn't a "should we trade Benji?" thread, it's "will they trade Benji?". If they are to move him, what would you want in return from either of those teams? What's realistic?
I'd like ot think I'm being witty and maybe even original in using this film title as a pun, but if not oh freaking well..
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I don’t believe they will trade him in the offseason. Mid to late July? Maybe.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2008 2:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That certainly is what to expect from Sabean
But will there be a market around the all star break?
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by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
They’ll move Benjie only if they aquire a legit 3B (Crede?) so they can move Pablo to C,
-or-
Posey lights it up in the minors, gets called up and hits well on the big team
-or-
they’re totally out of it and someone offers them a king’s ransome for Molina
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by Goofus on Dec 10, 2008 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They should absolutely trade him
The Mets, Brewers, Red Sox, Reds (maybe), Astros, Tigers, and a few more are all teams that might be interested in one year of Molina.
Ideally, the Giants could trade Molina for some pieces they can use to try and land Beltre. Same goes for Winn as well, although to a lesser extent
by NeifiChicken on Dec 10, 2008 2:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
but how likely do you see any of this?
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by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
strike the Reds
They traded with the O’s for Hernandez to play C.
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by daveinexile on Dec 10, 2008 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Ramon Hernandez is enough of a player to really rule out anything, although Jocketty might think so I guess
by NeifiChicken on Dec 11, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am preceding on the assumption they view him as a pain sponge. It is interesting to note, if memory serves me well, he does qualify as a type "A" free agent currently. Hitting in that park should only help in that regard. So that would limit some fo Molinia’s appeal.
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by daveinexile on Dec 11, 2008 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scratch the Tigers
The Tigers picked up Gerald Laird on Monday
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by nvsfg on Dec 10, 2008 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How come everyone here seems to love Beltre and Burrell? I’m not flaming or anything… Just asking out of curiosity. If we were to go after Beltre, I feel like we may as well just try to get Edwin Encarnacion, who is younger and will likely put up similar numbers to Beltre.
by Useful_Idiot on Dec 10, 2008 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre is way better defensively than Encarnacion. More clutch too, just ask Jeff Brantley.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Dec 10, 2008 7:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
man, you took the words right out of my mouth. Adrian Beltre is the most overrated player in the history of McCovey Chronicles. His numbers are good for a player who makes about half of what he makes. And then you’re going to trade something of value to get one year of him?? No thanks. Play Pablo at third with Ishi and Phelps at first, or sign Pat Burrell, who we would at least not to give up anything other than money to get.
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by rxmeister on Dec 10, 2008 7:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
after years of Pedro and Joe Castle, can you blame us for hopping on the Beltre bandwagon?
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 10, 2008 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
He’s probably the most overrated player here. But also we always underrate players probably more often than not. And Beltre is so underrated by everyone (http://www.adrianbeltreisbetterthanpedrofeliz.com/notjustalittlebetterbutalotbetter.html) that we push it so much more.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2008 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Adrian Beltre is the most overrated player in the history of McCovey Chronicles.
Nah.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 11, 2008 8:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that would be JT Snow.
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by zenbitz on Dec 11, 2008 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that would be Pablo Sandoval.
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
by ResDog on Dec 11, 2008 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His numbers are good for a player who makes about half of what he makes.
His numbers are good for someone who makes the salary that he does make. Jesus Christ.
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by jponry on Dec 11, 2008 8:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Christ needs a better agent!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 11, 2008 8:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Should they? Yes (assuming they can find a 3B who can out hit Molina, and out-field Sandoval)
Will they? No. On the plus side – draft pix!
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by zenbitz on Dec 10, 2008 3:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’ll see your “draft pix” and raise you a “contract extension”!
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by EliminateMe on Dec 10, 2008 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2008 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I'm talkin about
and from the looks of it, it’s what Molina is talkin about most of the time too
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by wjackalope on Dec 10, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to drink whatever the garden gnome is serving.
/deer head
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by xanthan on Dec 11, 2008 8:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by oldjacket on Dec 11, 2008 8:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes it better.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 11, 2008 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Words to live by.
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by xanthan on Dec 11, 2008 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Sabean likes him too much. He’s a great guy, a solid catcher, and a decent hitter. He has gamer written all over him.
This is his last year on his contract, IIRC. If true, I’d be shocked if Posey rose enough in the ranks to force Sabean’s hand in trading Bengie.
I really wish he would, though. Pablo should be playing catcher, and there is a need for catchers on a number of teams. You could probably get a league average player for him, which is what the Giants could always use.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 10, 2008 4:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I love Pablo, and love the energy he brought to the team late last year. I just don’t think he’s ever going to be a big league catcher, especially with Posey coming down the pike. Posey is supposed to be a legit gold glove caliber catcher. If Pablo can be -10 runs (ish) at 3B, the future will look pretty bright with An-Vil, Posey, and Pablo all mashing togeather in a couple of years.
by tyrannoman on Dec 10, 2008 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
true
and that’s even more reason to trade Bengie. It’s rather nice that Pablo can play all 3 positions if need be.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 11, 2008 8:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm hoping...
that he does well enough next year to classify as a Type A Free Agent so that we can maybe get a 1st rounder or at least two draft picks.
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by z4 landshark on Dec 10, 2008 4:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
For this to happen, the Giants would have to be sure that Molina isn’t going to accept arbitration. In 2010 Molina will be an obese 36 year old catcher and I doubt there’s going to be a big market for him.
If the Giants do offer arbitration to Bengie, they should first come out and announce that either Posey or Sandoval will be their starter in 2010.
by mxmob33 on Dec 10, 2008 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Marlins looking for a C
I’d consider B-Money for Cantu
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by The Thrill on Dec 10, 2008 5:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bengie
He’s blocking my boy.
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by tk on Dec 10, 2008 6:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And mine.
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by tedfordfan on Dec 11, 2008 6:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and mine
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 11, 2008 8:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of how much I respect Bengie as a player,
if Sabean lets this team go into Opening Day with Molina as the cleanup hitter, he should be fired.
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by Buck Henry on Dec 10, 2008 8:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just as a matter of clarification………he should’ve been fired a long time ago.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Dec 10, 2008 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if Sabean lets this team go into Opening Day with Molina as the cleanup hitter two years in a row, he should be fired.
Fixed it.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 11, 2008 12:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AND ANOTHER THING:
and it’s not like we really have a 3-spot hitter, either.
two years without legit middle-of-the-order bats.
incredible. just incredible.
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 11, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The question was,
“will they trade Benji” (sic). I would have to say there is absolutely no chance that the Giants will trade Bengie, unless we are completely out, and almost mathematically eliminated from the playoffs at the trading deadline, AND the Giants get an offer that bowls them over.
Everybody knows that both Sabean and Bochy highly value veteran savvy-ness. There is no way that they would turn the handling of the pitching staff over to someone as unproven behind the plate as Pablo. Ain’t gonna happen.
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by marklar on Dec 11, 2008 12:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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