Winter Meetings and the San Francisco Giants, Day III
by Grant on Dec 10, 2008 11:14 AM PST
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What’s left:
- Assorted goofs with a bat but no glove who would cost a lot of money.
- Assorted goofs with a bat but no glove who would cost a lot in trade.
- One goof with a bat and a glove who would require a ridiculous, 8- to 10-year contract.
- Young, MLB-ready position players with power! All we would need to do is trade Matt Cain and Madison Bumgarner.
All of this rosterbation has me chaffing. At the end of the night, I’m willing to go home with something that looks like Randy Johnson and call it an offseason. I’ll hate myself in the morning, but at least I didn’t get down on one knee and get myself into something for which I wasn’t prepared.
Giants fine with youth at infield corners
Team underwhelmed by trade offers for third basemen
I’m sold. No Burrell clomping around first. No Dunn running around left field with pants full of granite. No Sanchez-for-Cantu nightmares. No Sanchez-for-Encarnacion nightmares. No pipe dreams involving Adrian Beltre coming over for Jack Taschner and a pack of Rolos that Larry Baer sat on. This is the team. This is our 2009.
Oh, some people aren’t happy. Take the post-article commenters from sfgiants.com. Please.
When people complain that McCovey Chronicles is elitist, sometimes I worry that they’re right. Other times, I think, "Well, good." This is one of those other times.
For years, some of us clamored for youth. We’re getting it. For years, some of us wanted Brian Sabean to be more creative with minor league free agent sluggers. The top name in the free bin, Josh Phelps, has a clear path to a bench job, if not a platoon role. So it’s time for this vocal, youth-clamoring, minor-league-free-agent wanting minority to scream our begrudged acceptance from the rooftops.
I’m okay with the team as-is. It isn’t a contender unless a ton of things break the Giants way,but it isn’t a team that ‘s going to hamper a rebuilding process, either. Maybe Travis Ishikawa and Josh Phelps combine for 30 homers, and that’s one less question for next offseason. Maybe Pablo Sandoval is an average fielder at third, and that’s one less question. I’m okay with 2009 being a let’s-find-out season before possibly jumping into the 2009-2010 free agent market with both feet.
The rosterbation was exciting for a while, but I’m done. Tapped out. Forget it. Now Frandsen, now Phelps, now Ishi and Pablo. On Affeldt, on Burriss, on Hinshaw and Romo. No more crazy trade scenarios. No more wacky free agent yearning.
Thank you for reading. I hope you’ll join me tomorrow for my "What would it take to get Dan Uggla and Ben Sheets????"-post. Because, brothers and sisters, that would be a monster team.
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I still want Burrell (if we can get him for 3 years, nothing more than that) and RJ.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 10, 2008 11:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I kinda see Burrell as made of crystal – he bends over to pick up a bunt and lands on the DL until 2 years into the Obama administration
these are my paranoid thoughts – but they are real to me.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 10, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he’s played 140+ games every full year of his career but 2004. if you’re gonna worry about that, you may as well worry about that with every single player in the game
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 10, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of envision glenallen hill’s waterpipe as made of crystal…
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Dec 10, 2008 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agree
Justt add Burrell, let JT Snow turn him into something nearing OK at first base, sign RJ, and call it an offseason.
by tyrannoman on Dec 10, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JT’s not a miracle worker.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 10, 2008 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
blasphemy!
J.T. Snow could make me an above average MLB first baseman
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 10, 2008 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JT could help him with footwork, correct positioning, situational type scenarios, but he cannot teach his instincts and unreal job he did picking BID’s.
But still, I do not think that it wwould be a big deal for Burrell to pick up the position quickly. Hell, he played HS and his years at Miami at 3rd base, so his D at 1st would not concern me. What concerns me is if Burrell is at first (or anyone else) which means that Pablo is definitely at 3rd. I know Sabean has already said this and Bochy has the confidence in him. I just dont yet.. not until after a solid spring.
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
by Giant among Angels on Dec 10, 2008 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
All of the verucas will clatter, but I am fine. Add another pitcher on a year year deal and call it a day.
Bottom line: first do no harm.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2008 11:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
bah...
Add another pitcher on a year year deal
Supposed to hav been “one year deal”
YEAR YEAR DEAL!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line: first do no harm.
Got here late, but as far as I’m concerned, that sums it up.
My adopted son Matt Downs. Lost in the wilderness of mediocrity.
by nvsfg on Dec 10, 2008 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
I want Johnson…
I want Winn traded for something (they are talking about extending him??? Why does Sabes hate Nate that much?)
Is Beltre that big of a long shot?
by lincysgiants on Dec 10, 2008 11:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
In a perfect world
we somehow get rid of Rowand and then extend Winn….then I win the lottery.
The Giants win a game! The Giants win a game! The Giants win a game!
by jhiat00 on Dec 10, 2008 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And free red ropes?
rooooo redd rooooooo
The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.
by Mike Hawk on Dec 10, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This Licorice is black not
"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."
by capnk on Dec 10, 2008 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
is that supposed to be an imitation of the guy that sells them at warriors games?
"I didn't know (after seeing a spectacular over-the-shoulder catch) whether to shit or go blind." - Former Giants Outfielder Harvey Kuenn on Willie Mays
by stealth snail on Dec 10, 2008 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember him from Candlestick, I haven’t been to a Warriors game in like 10 years, so I couldn’t tell you that…good to know he’s still alive and kickin though!
The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.
by Mike Hawk on Dec 10, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still want a third baseman. I hate the idea of giving up on Sandoval as a catcher, which is basically what we’re doing if we put him at third this year.
by Evan on Dec 10, 2008 11:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nah. I think he’s our catcher in 2010, unless Posey goes nuts.
by Grant on Dec 10, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But his defense at catcher is universally ranked somewhere between horrible and work-in-progress. If he doesn’t work on it now, the team is never going to trust him to learn on the job.
If Posey does go nuts, that would retroactively make moving Pablo the right call, but that’s unlikely.
by Evan on Dec 10, 2008 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Pablo provides enough flexibility that we don’t have to worry about putting him at one position right now. I want his bat in the lineup and if he hits well enough, they can use him all over the place.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Dec 10, 2008 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But that’s an incredibly tough assignment for a young player. He has so much to learn about hitting major-league pitching, and he’s going to be jumping all around the diamond as well?
Pablo’s the best hitting prospect the Giants have come up with in fifteen or twenty years. They should concentrate on doing what’s best for his long-term development, not try to figure out how to squeeze the most out of him in 2009.
by Evan on Dec 10, 2008 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pablito is now considered a corner infielder. Sabean has TurboTracked Posey – possibly as soon as September 2009 and NLT 2010.
Like the idea of having Sandoval not bounce around the infield and only play one position and concentrate on this position and his hitting.
by wilriv21 on Dec 10, 2008 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would prefer to keep him at catcher, but if they’re going to put him at third (or first), this is the way to do it. Tell him to forget about catching and focus on his new position.
by Evan on Dec 10, 2008 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds good. But I have a feeling they would shift him back to first & pickup Joe Castle if he has a couple errors in one Spring Training game.
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
by ResDog on Dec 10, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I read in the Chron that’s pretty much what they’ve done. It sounds like he’s not even going to catch when Molina rests, so I don’t know what you’re bitching about, homeboy. :-)
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by Goofus on Dec 10, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So it appears the Zito/Sandoval experiment is over. Interesting.
by timmeh on Dec 14, 2008 2:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty fast
I believe the catchers who make it to the majors with less than 190 minor league games caught are few and far between. I-Rod might be the only active one.
"[Greg] Vaughn is in a funk so deep, George Clinton wearing a miner's helmet couldn't find him."
- Jim Baker, ESPN.com, May 2002
by achiappanza on Dec 11, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujoles was the same way. He played 3B, and LF before settling into 1B. Totally off the cuff, pull it out of my ass analysis, it seems to me Pablo wont’ care where he plays D as long as he gets to hit.
by tyrannoman on Dec 10, 2008 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YES!
Oh man, now I need some new pants.
by cornball on Dec 10, 2008 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In A Perfect world.....
….But probably won’t happen. At least not AS good
I certainly do hope Pablo is near the numbers Albert put up his first full season:
HR RBI AVG OBP SLG OPS
37 130 .329 .403 .610 1.013
Those are freakish number for a first full season! I would be ecstatic with something like this out of Pablo in ‘09 25+ HR’s ~.300 avg.
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
by Giant among Angels on Dec 10, 2008 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope to have a threesome with Anne Hathaway and Jessica Biel. That has a better chance of happening than Pablo reaching those Pujols numbers.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 10, 2008 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice combo!
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
by Giant among Angels on Dec 10, 2008 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be awesome. Kudos to big plans.
by cornball on Dec 10, 2008 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This
I like the idea of signing a third baseman and working the Panda into the lineup at 1st, third, and catcher… I don’t get Bochy wanting three catchers.
Maybe it’s because he was a catcher…?
by lincysgiants on Dec 10, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Flexibility to line-up
Bochy wants to carry two catchers and have Sandoval be the emergency catcher. This with the intent of giving BMoney days off and pinch-running for BMoney late in games. This way if Holm gets injured after replacing BMoney SF still has a catcher to play the game.
Bochy has said he does not expect Sandoval to even catch during ST and wants him to concentrate on 3b.
by wilriv21 on Dec 10, 2008 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’ll if Feliz could go from 3B to emergency C, so can Pablito!
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by Goofus on Dec 10, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t consider him a “emergency” catcher. Just another option for Bochy if $hit hits the fan. Comparing Mr. Happy to him is not fair. Who was the “E” catcher last year?
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
by Giant among Angels on Dec 10, 2008 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game (the game never ended, btw) where Feliz caught last year. Don’t remember if he’d been declared the E catcher or not.
I remember Felix Rodriguez was our E catcher for a few seasons, though I never saw him catch.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 10, 2008 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant, who was the “E” catcher in 2008, not 2007??
I Don't Tolerate Intolerance!
by Giant among Angels on Dec 10, 2008 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/looks at calendar
damn. that WAS quick.
maybe it was Eugenio – with his speed from the plate to the backstop, he couldn’t be stopped. ;-)
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 10, 2008 11:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Phelps?
Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.
by kennv on Dec 10, 2008 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Another possiblity
He still needs to make the team.
by wilriv21 on Dec 10, 2008 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would say not really, but then if you take into account the fact that Sabean thinks Posey will be ready by next year…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 10, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IAWTC
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 10, 2008 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no, i'm not "OK"
Benji may be a loveable dog but he is not a cleanup hitter.
as long as the giants continue to trot out that lineup bullshit, I will only attend timmy’s games.
and an occasional matt cain start to fix my dingers jones.
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Dec 10, 2008 11:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
So you don't support the team
You only support the archetypes. Interesting.
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Dec 10, 2008 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
archetypes?
I guess you could say i’m all for the team getting junger.
best i could do with the material provided.
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Dec 10, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So, Gene...
How do you feel about that?
/puts down pipe, writes enigmatically on notepad/
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Dec 10, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This
Makes me so happy I nagged you.
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Dec 10, 2008 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have to agree
where is the power going to come from next year? I guess there’s no real way to solve that without spending a shedload of cash, but it makes me wary to think the only real lineup improvements over last year will be Sandoval starting from day 1, Frandsen, and Ishi/Phelps?
I agree with needing to get younger, but yeesh- that’s a lot of hoping for us to do next year.
by bondslegend on Dec 10, 2008 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But that is not all of the improvement. I agree, our OF and C positions will produce roughly the same as last year. But, by my completely off the top of my head calculations, 1b improvements (TI + Phelps) = +10 runs; 2b = + 10 runs; SS = + 20 runs; and 3b (w/out Castillo) = + 15 runs; and our bench should add a few runs.
So last year, we scored 640 runs, with our presently constituted team I see us scoring 695 runs in ’09.
I also, since I am deep in over the top of my head, see our SP improving (mostly Sanchez, some Cain and Zito and some regression for Lincecum) by 15 runs and our much stronger pen improving by 30 runs.
The conclusion is we are closer to respectability, scoring 695 runs, giving up 714 runs
by allfrank on Dec 10, 2008 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You think our 2B production is going to improve by replacing 87 games Ray Durham at .293/.385/.414 with Kevin Frandsen, Emmanuel Burriss, and Euey Velez? That’s not impossible, but it is wildly optimistic of you.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 10, 2008 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
Something makes me doubt your statistical analysis here…
by bondslegend on Dec 10, 2008 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather not extend Winn or Molina
though I’ve been happy with how they’ve performed during this time. Hopefully they keep it up in 2009
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 11:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I want a #1 PHELPS PHAN t-shirt.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 11:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
(I wanted to share this, I hope no one objects. I think it’s semi-appropriate for this thread)
Isolated Power vs. On-base percentage via ZiPS 2009 Projections:
The Phelps projection made me happy.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and the two overlapping names in the left corner are Rohlinger and Ortmeier.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rohlrtmeingier?
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ROhlinger is Funny, but I’m Laughing Mostly At Ortmeier.
by Grant on Dec 10, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Dec 10, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scooby Doo’s favorite ballplayer!
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Dec 10, 2008 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rohlrtmeingier
Does penicillin work on that?
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Dec 10, 2008 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As an almost doctor, I say – without hesitation – probably not.
by cornball on Dec 10, 2008 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also known as Rohmeier and Ortminger
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Dec 10, 2008 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, Burriss
He looked so good for a moment.
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Dec 10, 2008 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What does the axis represent? League average or something?
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Dec 10, 2008 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, league average’s for ISO and OBP.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I’m doing a quick graph with the Oliver projections to compare with ZiPS. I’ll post it shortly.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oliver Projections
These look quite a bit more optimistic, especially in the ISO department. Sorry some of the names are layered, it’s readable, but you might have to squint.
It has both Phelps and Ishikawa putting up .200+ ISO seasons next year. In 2008, the Giants only had one hitter with a better then league average ISO (Fred Lewis hit .158) Molina and Bowker hit right at league average for ISO with scores of .153
The ZiPS projection has 5 hitters over league average for ISO. Oliver has 7 hitters including the two aforementioned hitters over .200.
Burriss still kinda stinks. Most everyone gained a little OBP, too.
Here’s the differences between the two systems (Difference = Oliver – ZiPS). Positive scores mean that Oliver was more optimistic than ZiPS and a negative score means that ZiPS was more optimistic than Oliver.
In both OBP and ISO, Oliver was more optimistic. Especially in regards to ISO. Aurilia gained 45 points of ISO between the two systems — .106 in ZiPS and .151 in Oliver. Ishikawa gained the most OBP between the two systems. ZiPS had him at an OBP of .300 and Oliver had him at .322.
Both systems agreed exactly on Rowand and were very close with Sandoval. Oliver also gave Rohlinger a pretty big boost. I know Oliver includes minor league data, but I’m not sure how it weights it.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What's the R-squared?
/kicks computer
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Dec 10, 2008 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can run an R tomorrow, I left the spreadsheet at work.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THE DIFFERENCE
is probably due to Zips park adjusting and Oliver not.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Dec 10, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point, but I wonder how ZiPS is park factoring AT&T? It’s played Neutral over the last couple of years and Oliver treats every park as neutral, it might be closer than we think.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
actually
it could be something even sillier like league base line SLG/OBP. Net 19 points of slugging is huge. When you do all these projections, you have to assume a league average OBP/SLG (really bb/pa, 1b/pa, 2b/pa, etc. ,etc.)
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Dec 10, 2008 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I honestly have no idea how each is setting up their base lines. I’ll try and do some reading later to find out.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What this graph needs is lots more white space on the left and at the bottom. Things will look much better that way.
by Evan on Dec 10, 2008 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On the left, or do you mean on the right?
/deer head
Bay City Ball
by xanthan on Dec 10, 2008 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
probably
Axis?
Like this:
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oooh. Cox and Forkum. They’re like Bloom County for tongue-chewers.
by Grant on Dec 10, 2008 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
plus, Iran doesn’t even look like that anymore
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Dec 10, 2008 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey! No politics!
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2008 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
plus, Iran doesn’t even look like that anymore
Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.
by SF Pete on Dec 11, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Phelps, I hope that (if we don’t sign a Burrell or a Dunn or what have you), he gets significant PT
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Dec 10, 2008 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately
of the power dudes (ishi, bowker, pablo, nate and Josh) only one is likely to see substantial playing time.
just you wait and see. richie will see tons of starts at 3rd and 1st.
prove me wrong, boch.
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 10, 2008 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll start to worry about Richie when he is actually on the roster.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2008 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Richie?
He’s not on the team
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or is he?
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Dec 10, 2008 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he is?
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
?!?!?!?!?!?!
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Dec 10, 2008 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was my halloween costume 2 years ago
"I didn't know (after seeing a spectacular over-the-shoulder catch) whether to shit or go blind." - Former Giants Outfielder Harvey Kuenn on Willie Mays
by stealth snail on Dec 10, 2008 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that over there and began wondering if i should convert to a Phelps Phan after El Ochoa moves along.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Dec 10, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Looking back . . .
I’m glad CC didn’t come. I would’ve loved to have him but it really wouldn’t have made sense with the way our payroll is right now.
All I want now is RJ and I’m happy. I wouldn’t get upset about Burrell but I could take him or leave him.
by fwoty oz on Dec 10, 2008 11:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
people complain that McCovey Chronicles is elitist
I find this hard to believe.
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
by Zetsuboushita on Dec 10, 2008 11:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
elitist?
like Joe the Plumber?
Adopted Giant: Aaron King
Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat
by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably because we like it.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2008 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Go away.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2008 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“When people complain that McCovey Chronicles is elitist, sometimes I worry that they’re right. Other times, I think, "Well, good.”"
I always think, “Well, good.” You know who gave elitism such a bad name? The unqualified. Sure, there’s the bad kind — when qualified candidates are kept from open competition because of discrimination — but mostly elitism is how the best succeed and the worst don’t. Elitism is what kept Neifi Perez from winning an MVP. It’s what keeps me from playing CF for the Giants. It’s what keeps TakeAGiantStepNGo from running this site. To paraphrase the great Gordon Gekko, “Elitism is good. Elitism works.”
Check out The Examined Life. Or don't. Whatever.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 10, 2008 12:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think the connotation of “elitism” nowadays is different from it originally meant (as in “excellence”; I think anyway). There seems to be a stigma of pretentiousness (?) with the former.
BTW, you’re not playing CF for the Giants because you’re not old enough, right? or maybe you lack gamermanshipness?
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by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“I think the connotation of "elitism" nowadays is different from it originally meant (as in "excellence"; I think anyway). There seems to be a stigma of pretentiousness (?) with the former.”
Totally. I think originally it was about the rich/white/upper class keeping the poor/not white/lower class down. But on a website that is literally open to anyone joining, how can valuing the intelligent, informed analysis over the ignorant, uninformed analysis possibly be a bad thing?
Yes, maybe those less informed will feel a bit intimidated, but when it comes to stats: xanthan=elite, me=not. So do I run and hide? No, I read and learn so maybe someday I can be in that elite as well (though unless I exchange my heart for a motherboard, I doubt that will ever happen.)
Check out The Examined Life. Or don't. Whatever.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 10, 2008 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then your brain will be in your chest. hehehe
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
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by Zetsuboushita on Dec 10, 2008 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just like Pamela Anderson!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2008 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nice. big. round. BRAINZ.
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 10, 2008 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why I am on this site:
Yes, maybe those less informed will feel a bit intimidated, but when it comes to stats: xanthan=elite, me=not. So do I run and hide? No, I read and learn so maybe someday I can be in that elite as well
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. Rogers Hornsby
by igotnothing on Dec 10, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So, you really do “got nothing”?? Hard to believe.
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by Lyle on Dec 10, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To me , stats are like Spanish conversation.
A child raised since birth in a Spanish speaking household will amass a vocabulary of thousands of words in the first years of its life.
I’ve been working around Spanish speaking folk for the better part of thirty years and just like statistical analysis it bounces right off (or passes right through) my head.
Thanking the elite for their tolerance.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
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by victor frankenstein on Dec 11, 2008 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good analogy
I understand spanish, but do not speak it well.
I understand statz, but could not plot them out or figure them like mr robot xanathan
by bondslegend on Dec 11, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To elaborate, I mean baseball in general. Not just stats.
I was introduced to the game only 5 seasons ago. After a couple of years I had completely drained all my IRL friends of their baseball knowledge and wanted more… I found McC and was just floored by the Baron. (and the rest of you dorks are kinda funny too)
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. Rogers Hornsby
by igotnothing on Dec 11, 2008 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
<insert favorite " dork " joke here> ?
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by daveinexile on Dec 12, 2008 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What’s all this “reading’ and "learning” stuff you’re babbling about?
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by EliminateMe on Dec 10, 2008 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
especially from a computer… sheesh
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by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Facts may change, but my opinion never does.
Umm…
by cornball on Dec 10, 2008 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly agreed on the current connotation. Though I might use the words " in bred".
/ shrugs
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by daveinexile on Dec 10, 2008 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re not sure about the spelling of pretentiousness you REALLY shouldn’t be posting here.
by paboperfecto on Dec 10, 2008 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretension
The downside of being better than everyone else is that people tend to assume you’re pretentious.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Dec 10, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretentious?
Moi?
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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2008 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretension
What you feel just before you tense up.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Dec 11, 2008 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason I read this:
No Dunn running around left field with pants full of granite.
as “No Dunn running around left field with pants full of giraffe.”
Which is kind of a weird image, even by Grant’s standards.
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on Dec 10, 2008 12:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That’s a pretty sweet turn of phrase, though. I think it works better.q
by Grant on Dec 10, 2008 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The extra “B” is for “BYOBB”.
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on Dec 10, 2008 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I’m fine with the lineup for now, but ask me again in May, after Matt Cain is 0-4 with a 1.26 ERA, and I might feel differently.
Also, I’d prefer Bochy not announce the 2009 batting order in December, 2008. That’s just depressing.
My plans for 2009: getting married and attending Tim Lincecum Bobblehead Day.
by Kitspool on Dec 10, 2008 12:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We will win the division next year with the current roster + RJ
There, I said it.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 10, 2008 12:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
please be right
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by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Please
Just don’t let Molina bat cleanup. Anything else I am fine with. I just cannot go another year of having a career OPS+ 88 hitter batting cleanup. And I don’t even want to get into watching him run.. that also bothers more than it probably should.
by mxmob33 on Dec 10, 2008 12:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
IAWTC
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. Rogers Hornsby
by igotnothing on Dec 10, 2008 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A Better solution
Winn
Renteria
Lewis
Pablo
Ishi/Phelps
Rowand
Molina
Burriss/Frandsen
Pitcher
Or, one could switch Burriss/Frandsen with the Pitcher’s slot, though the net gain there would probably be only a few runs during the season.
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by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno about Pablo hitting 4th.
He’s only had 145 AB in the majors.
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by jhiat00 on Dec 10, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
switch Pablo with Ishi/Phelps?
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by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
With this lineup I don’t think there is much choice. I think you HAVE to put Molina at cleanup. The REAL problem is that we don’t have an actual cleanup hitter.
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by jhiat00 on Dec 10, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you HAVE to put the most unqualified power hitter on the team there. As TMQ says (about football and punting), you don’t have to do anything. You SHOULD do what makes sense. And batting Bengie clean-up – instead of 6th – does not make sense. Ishi/Phelps or Pablo please.
by cornball on Dec 10, 2008 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why does the number of ABs matter? Isn’t it the same for any place in the batting order? Lots of pressure on the three-hole hitter.
by wilriv21 on Dec 10, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about the pressure on the 3 hole.
(ha ha pressure on the 3 hole) but I don’t think Pablo should be there either. Maybe 5th or 6th.
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by jhiat00 on Dec 10, 2008 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Thing I Find Most Wrong About The Proposed Lineup
Is not Molina hitting 4th it is Lewis’ speed wasted hitting after both Sandoval and Molina. I would be fine with Lewis 3rd with Molina and Sandoval in any otder 4th and 5th. No Molina is not an ideal middle of the order hitter but his clutchness (which I believe is real) does make him functional in these spots.
I do agree with Winn and Renteria hitting 1 and 2, and with Rowand, Ishikawa, and whoever plays 2B hitting 6, 7, and 8.
by giantsrainman on Dec 10, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So we agree on this?
Winn
Renteria
Lewis
Molina
Sandoval
Rowand
Ishikawa
2B
Pitcher
The Giants win a game! The Giants win a game! The Giants win a game!
by jhiat00 on Dec 10, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm of the belief
That the best hitter should hit 4th.
Trouble is this: who is our best hitter? (please don’t say Molina)
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by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From the small sample size I would have to go with Sandoval
but I just wouldn’t throw him into the cleanup spot right away.
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by jhiat00 on Dec 10, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a best hitter should bat 3rd guy myself. The one caveat being if your best hitter is of the all universe type. The Caveat obviously does not apply to us this year.
Look at this Lewis had the best ISO & OBPcombonation last season thus is incumbent for best hitter imho.
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by daveinexile on Dec 10, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Same here
Best hitter bats third in my book also. McCovey hit cleanup, Mays hit third. They were both great, but there is a difference. So, for next year, the corresponding hitters would be…….uh……….
Never mind.
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by Lyle on Dec 10, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am a “best hitter” hits third kind of guy myself, and power, low average guy hitting fourth. That would work except the Giants don’t really have a power guy. Maybe Phelps hitting 4 ?
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by nvsfg on Dec 10, 2008 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By a couple months into the season the team will have chance to see if the projections are near accurate. If so then we might be seeing Ishi,Phelps and Pablo doing some time in the 4 & 5 spot due to their I.S.O. The projection above was a lot kinder to Nate then I expected so he might fit into the mix as well.
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by daveinexile on Dec 11, 2008 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By a couple months into the season the team will have chance to see if the projections are near accurate.
I agree Dave, and I think that’s the most frustrating part. We just don’t know, and that is why many of us were hoping Sabean would secure at some sort of serious bat this winter.
I not really sold on Ishi hitting four. He did show some power at Dodd, but the Phone Booth is notorious for hurting lefty’s. I see Pablo more as five or six hitter providing he keeps hitting anything, anywhere. Dude has to learn to take pitch now and then. Phelps could be the guy. Fair hitter for average, decent career OBP, SLG, and an OPS+ of 110. Could be a very good “value” pickup from this winter.
I am kind of “meh” on the moves so far this . Nothing exceptional, but again nothing really scary either. Like Lars posted earlier “Bottom Line: First do no harm”.
So unless there is a surprise this week, it’s just time to wait.
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by nvsfg on Dec 11, 2008 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yup were are in the middle of a 3-4 year wait.
I resigned myself last winter ( by looking at the free agent lists) the Giants were not likely to get a big bat tell 2010 at the earliest. The only other way is whale hunting ( to steal a real estate term) and one does not get to set a clock for when a whale will be around to hunt.
Thus I am happy with this off winter. They have not blocked any one. Marginal veteran contracts let over from the Bond’s era are being allowed to work off the books and not be replaced. Veteran’s that are signed are for a specific task and short length. To me it’s not just " first do no harm" but they are also gaining slack in the rope to untie the noose they were some busy tyeing and tightening from ’03-07.
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by daveinexile on Dec 12, 2008 9:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To me it’s not just " first do no harm" but they are also gaining slack in the rope to untie the noose they were some busy tyeing and tightening from ’03-07.
Nice imagery in that quote. Not one that I really wanted to associate with the Giants though :-)
The only other way is whale hunting ( to steal a real estate term)
In Nevada, “whales” mean an entirely different thing. Whales are the major gamblers that the casinos will fly in on their own dime to ramp up gambling takes in a particular month.
I have a friend that works for one of the larger casinos. The job title is VIP Concierge. He calls it babysitting. He works four days a week from 4 PM to 4 AM. His entire job is to insure that these people are taken care of . Anything (legal) that these people want from show tickets, dinner reservations, shopping, etc. Salary is good, but he tells me the tips are what keep him there. When these people win or break even, he’ll take home a grand or more in tips each week.
My adopted sons Matt Downs and Ben Copeland . Still not ramked in the McC prospect list.
by nvsfg on Dec 12, 2008 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the best hitter should be hitting 3rd, however I do think Lewis in the three hole makes more sense than having him hit behind Molina. That will turn triples for Fred into singles.
by tyrannoman on Dec 10, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lack of speed a side why would one plan on Molinia in 3rd hole instead of Lewis?
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by daveinexile on Dec 10, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t subscribe to the notion of “the best hitter hits (insert number here)”. I think that you put fast players and high OBP players in front of players with high AVG and SLG. That’s the only criteria that should be taken into account when constructing a lineup. Theoretically, you could have four fast/OBP guys at the top, and lump anyone with some pop together at the bottom. You just need to have runners on when your run-producers come up.
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by capnk on Dec 10, 2008 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To some extent I think we are calling the same rose by its name in 2 different languages. A higher OBP guy with some speed and is a not a slap hitter should get end up with high SLG because he can gain an extra 90 feet on a ball in play more often then a guy that less speed and the same OBP.
I think were are differing is you would rather put the swing from his heels out house or penthouse guy 5th then 4th. If we had 4 high OBP hitterswith better then average speed I would be hard pressed to logically disagree with now. UN Lucky for me we don’t have 4 such hitters
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by daveinexile on Dec 11, 2008 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Take best two hitters..
Put highest OBP first, ISO second. If they are the same, weigh it.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2008 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/approaches hornet's nest with stick
‘Splain who the Giants’ best hitter. is , and why.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Dec 11, 2008 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry , I should a read a head
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Dec 11, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who do you think your fooling?
More like whacking a stick against a bag holding a hornets nest just before tossing it into the room.
Please carry on the good work!
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by daveinexile on Dec 11, 2008 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For once...
We are in complete agreement.
Check out The Examined Life. Or don't. Whatever.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 10, 2008 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought this much agreement here was prevented by the laws of physics. What happens now?
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by daveinexile on Dec 10, 2008 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I must have missed something in 7th Grade..
What’s the 3 hole?
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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2008 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
I ran a simulation using David Pinto’s Lineup Analysis Tool and ZiPS projections (including Renteria). The IshiPhelps and MannyB/KFrand numbers are just my guesstimates on how their overall platoon/combo/tandem production would be, as are the projected pitcher’s OBA and SLG.
There is some issue on how good this tool is though.
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by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I also find it unlikely that Rowand will put up a .346 OBP, but who knows….
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by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he's 31 next year
and his career OBP is .342. .346 is hardly a stretch.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Dec 10, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
Though his Marcels show him as a .340 OBP guy. And that’s factoring in his fluke year.
Then again, he did play hurt for part of the season in ’08, so maybe better health will lead to better performance? Right? (please Aaron, give us another fluke ’07 so that Sabes can unload you next offseason)
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by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but Marcel
only goes back 3 years. If you go back 5 you get another “fluke” year.
It’s silly anyway. The YTY variance on his OBP must be about 40 points, so whether his ‘true 2009 talent’ is .340 or .346 he will probably hit between .320 and .360.
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by zenbitz on Dec 10, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...This...+1...IAWTC...109...Can you send me your brochure
For me, going into the season with Molina batting cleanup is akin to going into the season with Pedro Feliz the starting catcher.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Dec 11, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kicking the can
Not being in the playoffs since 2003 eventually the Giants are gong to have to show some improvement. Thought 2008 was the season to evaluate and push the kids. Now we are saying 2009 is the year to evaluate and push the kids. Would be OK with the plan if we knew that the kids would eventually arrive as advertised..
The attrition of minor league players is extremely high. Many of the Giants top prospects are in low minors. Many of these kids may never arrive. The kids that will arrive may not deliver as advertised. Sabean should consider using the farm in trades. Keep the plums. Trade the bums.. Only a few should be considered untouchable however in the right deal could be dealt to improve the Giants. That is what the farm is for. Improving the big club.
SF needs a middle of the order bat. If cannot find a corner infielder then look for OFer. SF OFers can be replaced. Another starting pitcher is necessary at this moment.
Not saying forfeit the future rather build for the future and compete in 2009.
by wilriv21 on Dec 10, 2008 12:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wil
Would be more okay with the plan if we actually implemented the plan. Looking at vet-loving Bochy as the problem. Hoping Neukom mandates different course. Hoping Sabean goes along. Wishing you’d type in sentences. Not holding my breath.
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by Lyle on Dec 10, 2008 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am ok with this offseason, although I am missing the annual Sabean signing of an unnecessary center fielder.
by out machine on Dec 10, 2008 12:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm kinda meh with the lineup
It’s just kinda depressing that Bengie is still penciled in at cIeanup. My lineup would have Flew, Pablo and Bengie hitting 3, 4, 5.
I’m also mad we haven’t dumped #15 yet either.
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by stealth snail on Dec 10, 2008 1:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely with this:
“I’m okay with the team as-is. It isn’t a contender unless a ton of things break the Giants way,but it isn’t a team that ‘s going to hamper a rebuilding process, either. Maybe Travis Ishikawa and Josh Phelps combine for 30 homers, and that’s one less question for next offseason. Maybe Pablo Sandoval is an average fielder at third, and that’s one less question. I’m okay with 2009 being a let’s-find-out season before possibly jumping into the 2009-2010 free agent market with both feet.”
I am thrilled and relieved no major mistakes were made. I would have loved to have gotten CC, but that was, really, a pipe dream. I do like the balance of having some established performance (Molina, Renteria, Rowand, Winn), some pretty likely MLB performance (Lewis, Sandoval) and some players who have given strong indications of being able to play at MLB average levels (TI, the 2b triumverate).
I think the team is much better than at the start of last year (the pen and all 4 IF spots) and could reasonably compete for the division. I think we are competitive with SD, Colo, and Az unless Az makes more moves than expected. LA is a wild card. If they continue their decade and a half incompetence (eg, not signing Manny for 4 yrs, $90/100 mil, letting Lowe AND Penny go), we are a legit contender. If we sign RJ, we are even more of a contender. And we are poised to get significant playing time for: Sando, TI, Shierholtz, Burriss, Frandsen. Our pen is much stronger. We no longer are relying on Hennessey, Correia, Chulk; we can take a look at some very promising pitchers from the minor leagues. I think there is much more to look forward to for ’09 than there was for ’08.
by allfrank on Dec 10, 2008 1:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would be resigned
to accept that 2009 woudl be at best a 3rd place finish, and I would be “ok” with the team. In fact, despite how much we lost I really enjoyed watching The Giants last year. It was sort of like “well they are supposed to lose, so lets see how the do it.” In most cases the loses were easy to understand and the wins were fun.
But, I still think that signing Randy Johnson and getting 1 more bat would make us a contender in the division with out having to block or sacrifice our young position players. In fact, 2nd base may be the option because no one seems truely that confident in Veldez/Burress/Fransden. If we can add a infield bat and sign RJ we have a legitimate chance at winning what is looking to be a very weak division.
by uber on Dec 10, 2008 1:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
one more fairly unrelastic scenario I am hoping for
ok, follow me on this, it’s a bit of a journey: the Red Sox sign Mark Teixeria and do not re-sign Jason Varitek (he signs with the Nationals since they seem to a major hard on for over-paying somebody).
We then trade Molina and a non Wilson/Romo bullpen guy (or if the Red Sox prefer a non MadBum/Alderson pitching prospect) for Lars Anderson and Mike Lowell. Molina fills a need for them, and the pitcher is useful. Anderson is rendered more tradable by the fact that they made a huge commitment for Tex to be their 1B for the next 100 years and they are rumored to be close to doing the same to Youkilis. We do them a favor by eating all of Mike Lowell’s salary.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 10, 2008 1:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Shiny! Shiny!!
I’m not holding my breathe but thank you for sharring.
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by daveinexile on Dec 10, 2008 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Confused
I am not sure what woudl constitute over-pay for a guy who went .312/.390/.569 with 29HR and 115RBIs and was paid 3M last year. What would constitute overpaying for those numbers, and a gold glove at 1st? Genuinely curious.
by uber on Dec 10, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what woudl constitute over-pay for a guy who went .312/.390/.569 with 29HR and 115RBIs
Jason Varitek didn’t do any of those things
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 10, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
youkilis did
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by Goofus on Dec 10, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn’t the Red Sox probably be able to get a better player than Molina if they decided to put Anderson up for auction?
though I guess they get rid of Lowell in this deal, but still..
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by jponry on Dec 10, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they could probably get more, but getting rid of Lowell without having to pay him at all would be a big win for them. I would be willing to sweeten the offer a bit if that is what it required.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 10, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
honestly probably wouldn’t need to sweeten that, or not much anyway. Bengie fills a big hole for them, and they drop a lot of salary from lowell (who may never recover from surgery), AND it allows them to shift youkilis back to 3rd. Would be a huge win for them, and we’re one of the few clubs that could absorb all of lowell’s contract. There’s been talk of shifting Lars Anderson to left, but if they resign Bay and keep their outfield the way it is, there’ll be no room for him
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by theghostofjasonellison on Dec 10, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson is good enough that they can do a lot of things with him (David Ortiz ain’t exactly a great bet for long term health) so they wouldn’t look at him as somebody they needed to trade, but I do think he might be available if they can trade him to fill needs.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 10, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It sounds nice, but I don’t think the Sox are interested in giving up one aging catcher in exchange for another. And per this insider, they probably are looking more at trading one of their pitchers or young prospects for another team’s catching prospect.
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by Kitspool on Dec 10, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well he did say " fairly unrealistic".
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by daveinexile on Dec 10, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ladies and Gentlemen...
This is my 10,000th post.
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by Goofus on Dec 10, 2008 1:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Congrats. Where’s our prize?
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by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s actually low for a spambot, isn’t it?
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Dec 10, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
9,900 of them are either penis jokes or “That’s what she said!”
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by Kitspool on Dec 10, 2008 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but hey, great job on the other 100
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 10, 2008 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually..
Those other 100 kinda sucked.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2008 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What is this “penis joke” to which you refer?
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by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he’s a 3B in the Mets organization, good bat but a shaky glove
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 10, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is where I say something like, “Look in Kitspool’s pants for a penis joke.”
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by Goofus on Dec 10, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least you finally left me alone.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2008 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
9,900 of them are either penis jokes or "That’s what she said!"
Quality & quantity! A sure H.O.Fer!
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by daveinexile on Dec 10, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First ballot!
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by Goofus on Dec 10, 2008 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOOK HIM IN THE EYE AND MAKE A PENIS JOKE!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wood but it’s dragging.
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by daveinexile on Dec 10, 2008 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
When people complain that McCovey Chronicles is elitist, sometimes I worry that they’re right. Other times, I think, “Well, good.” This is one of those other times.
Ahh irony
by bondslegend on Dec 10, 2008 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you change that to “Look him in the eyes”? I want to make sure where all clear about where he’s supposed to be looking.
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by Goofus on Dec 10, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Safety First!
Always wear your goggles
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2008 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is my 9,012th post!
I’m so excited!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Dec 10, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WEAK!
/quickly checks to make sure I have more. Does.
Yeah. Weak.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 10, 2008 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it’s over 20,000!
but at least half of those are just comments saying “Rush sucks”
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by jponry on Dec 10, 2008 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Some things can’t be said too often.
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by EliminateMe on Dec 10, 2008 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thursday , Dec. 11
Your homepage lists the count as 9985.
I think you’re fluffering your numbers.
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Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Dec 11, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OoOo
There is a fluff job going on here?
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by daveinexile on Dec 11, 2008 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry..
I’ll continue deleting them.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 11, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we're going to let the kids play
Then I’d be happier if we traded Randy Winn & let Nate get the majority of the starts in right. The risk of Randy accepting arbitration next year negates any possible draft pick compensation (right?).
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
by ResDog on Dec 10, 2008 1:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
depends...
If the Giant’s were to use the Goofus 4 O.F. Rotation ( Winn fills in Nate, Lewis & Rowand starts) and by August is proves Nate is another Linden then a Winn extension is not that bad a fate. All I see above "A" ball is Copeland & Horitwitz.
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by daveinexile on Dec 10, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot Bowker. But any ways you see my point.
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by daveinexile on Dec 10, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
I made that point months ago and someone actually remembers it?
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by Goofus on Dec 10, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope i didn’t destroy your carefully crafted image.
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by daveinexile on Dec 10, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now I know what my dog feels like.
I sometimes wonder what my dog thinks when we’re on a walk and she takes a dump and then watches me whip out a plastic bag and pick it up. “That thing just came out of my ass and you’re actually interested in it? Dude, it’s just crap.”
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by Goofus on Dec 10, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
be grateful
My dog "plays" a different game. If she sees me picking up it then tries to leaves 2-4 more piles at random locations and intervals. It can be rather like xei frank if you know what I mean.
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by daveinexile on Dec 10, 2008 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To put one Bugs Bunny at all 9 positions?
The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.
by Mike Hawk on Dec 10, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only if Bugs Bunny = centerfielder
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by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bugs is crafty but I don’t think he displays the grit, savy, and gamerness required for the centerfield job.
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by jhiat00 on Dec 10, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But check out that swagger!
The bases were drunk, and I painted the black with my best yakker. But blue squeezed me, and I went full. I came back with my heater, but the stick flares one the other way and the chalk flies for two bases. Three earnies! Next thing I know, skipper hooks me and I'm sipping suds with the clubby.
by Mike Hawk on Dec 10, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bugs Bunny is a five tool player
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 10, 2008 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's not all he displays
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 10, 2008 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So long , Screwy...
…see ya in St. Louie.
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by victor frankenstein on Dec 11, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer “The Goofus Doctrine”
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by Goofus on Dec 10, 2008 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ROBERT LUDLUM
Novel Name Alert!
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Dec 10, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer "WalrusMan'sPlan"
Where Lewis, Rowand, and Winn are your main OFs still, but Nate gets 400 AB.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2008 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All well-and-good for a simple mind that’s not able to think things through, but The Goofus Doctrine takes into account that with Winn’s experience playing all three OF positions at the major-league level, he’s best equipped to be the roving sub. It lets young Fred and Nate concentrate on one position and their hitting.
Note: Baring injury or Lewis coming back late from his foot surgery, The Goofus Doctrine projects an approximately equal number of ABs for all four of the outfielders in question.
I really need to learn to do one of those superscript “TM” thingys every time I reference The Goofus Doctrine so I can collect royalties from myself every time I use it.
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by Goofus on Dec 11, 2008 7:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WalrusMan’sPlan™
Too bad I did it first.
WalrusMan’sPlan©
WalrusMan’sPlan wins.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 11, 2008 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you really comfortable knowing Boulder Skull endorses your plan?
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by daveinexile on Dec 11, 2008 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
staying as is
I wouldn’t mind starting the season with basically this roster plus a couple more cheap pitchers, except for one thing. What do we do with Schierholtz? I guess if Lewis is out for a while he could start, but then what? Do we trade him now, since Winn and Rowand appear to be staying? Seriously, we can’t let this guy waste another season in AAA. He deserves a shot somewhere, if not here then somewhere else. We need to at least see if he could produce at the major league level. Maybe he can’t, but we won’t know for sure until we see. On a related topic, Roberts absolutely needs to go. There are at least 7-8 guys I’d rather see in the outfield than him, from the majors and our system. I don’t want him to take a single at bat away from them.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
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by raisingcain on Dec 10, 2008 4:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Our four outfielders
You’re obviously not familiar with “The Goofus Doctrine”.
Goofus will now refer to himself in the 3rd person because anyone with a doctrine named after him can be cocky enough to get away with it.
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by Goofus on Dec 10, 2008 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
P.S.: Don’t feel bad. Sarah Palin doesn’t know what it is iether.
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by Goofus on Dec 10, 2008 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well..
You haven’t printed it in a newspaper or magazine.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2008 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or..
floated it in a lit weather balloon of the coast of Russia!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 10, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What do we do with Schierholtz?
I’ve heard he can play third. Yes?
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by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 4:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
reply fail
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by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2008 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What if...
Sabean only claims to be content with what we have at the corners to get some better trade proposals?
formerly April3rdLifeBegins
by YaSquare on Dec 10, 2008 5:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
have you been paying attention lately? You do know this is Brian Sabean we’re talking about…
by bondslegend on Dec 10, 2008 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Grant....
No shout out to the sfgate.com posters? That’s the Arkham Asylum of online Gigantes lunacy.
If they haven’t claimed they’ve bitched or thought about it first, it isn’t new to them.
it's always noonan somewhere
by sectionop92 on Dec 11, 2008 12:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm ok with it
there just isnt anything out there for the Giants. We are rebuilding and I don’t want our young talent to go to waste. I have the patience to wait another year because there will be a plethora of solid FAs next year. For now, sign Randy and if Dunn is still available later in the off-season, sign him for a short term deal.
Section 314 FTW!
by KingofDucks1987 on Dec 11, 2008 12:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
because it will be cheap
Section 314 FTW!
by KingofDucks1987 on Dec 11, 2008 12:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Grant,
i noticed you slighted some of the available players by calling them “goofs”. You can’t have “goofus” without g-o-o-f-s
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by Goofus on Dec 11, 2008 7:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Stop righ there
You had me at “you can’t have Goofus”.
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on Dec 11, 2008 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t believe it took 260 posts for you to get to this. C’mon, man. You’re slipping.
by Grant on Dec 11, 2008 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too much other material to mock in the comments.
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by Goofus on Dec 11, 2008 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Couldn't Agree More!
Great Thoughts. Almost all choices were damaged goods in one way or another. The likelihood of us picking up anyone who’d make us competitive this year was minimal. Sure I would’ve loved Tex, but apparently our budget would have been hamstrung and he did’nt seem to want us, so doing nothing is better than the other options available. I’m still unhappy with Rentaria (I do hope I’m wrong, though), but if that’s the only thing we are inflicted with then I think we end up winning by not losing. I still would like to try Ben Sheets for 2-3 years on an insured contract. His upside if healthy would give us a killer staff, and if the contract is insured our exposure is limited. He is the only pitcher I try investing in. Otherwise………LEAVE IT ALONE!!!! We have to accept that this year is all about seeing what we’ve got in house. Please Brian, no quick fixes or panic moves. One last thought, and this goes against everything I just wrote, but: if we could get either Alcides Escobar or JJ Hardy from the Brewers for Sanchez + one of our better prospects I’d do it. (Don’t see it happening, but the Brewers are gonna need pitching). Then we could move Rentaria to third and we’d have our SS for the next decade or so. I’m just sayin’…………………….
by Cassie'sGrandpa on Dec 11, 2008 8:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, we need to do something
We only have 4 starters.
by FairweatherFan on Dec 11, 2008 9:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Today's Rule 5 Draft, with this team needing hitting,
and Sabean takes two more pitchers, while we lose Ben Copeland to the A’s.
Swell.
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by Buck Henry on Dec 11, 2008 11:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like our Not An Idoit.
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by daveinexile on Dec 11, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Urgh!
The chances of taking anything valuable in the rule 5 draft are small, so you take what’s available, and in the rule 5 draft, it’s generally far easier to get a useful pitcher than hitter. In fact, in yesterday’s draft, there only 5 position players taken, 3 of which were taken before us, with another being Copeland. So there was only 1 position player that the 24 teams below us felt was worth taking, and he was a catcher, which is probably less of a need than relief pitching.
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by GiantFan on Dec 12, 2008 2:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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