C.C. will be known as the one that got away
by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 9:09 AM PST
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PrintNot really since it seems that the Giants were never that big of a dog in the hunt for Sabathia. I want to think that were the Giants to up their offer to 4 years at $25 million per (lots of backloading til after 2017), that they could have landed him, but alas twas not to be. That being said, I'd assume we're going to sign the big unit, and that will probably mean an end to F/A spending. I'm thinking that as per Sabean's M.O. we're going to see how the club does until all-star breakish time, and then Sabean will try to sucker a team into treating Jessie English like he's the next Lincecum and give us that bat we've been pining for. It's a bit of a dissapointment, since I was hoping to have the best rotation since Maddux signed with the Braves and 2nd best in the past 40 years (better than the Dodgers of the early 60's and better than Orioles team with all those 20 game winners), but I suppose settling for one of the better rotations in the majors will have to do for now. And now, your thoughts on the matter....
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And how the hell do you get 2017 out of a 4 year contract?
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
the talk was that any big money deal the gigantes would do
would require backloading the deal until after the ballpark is paid off (2017)
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by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
but I think that was assuming a 6 year deal
not 4.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 10, 2008 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
you're probably right
Though the Yanks threw in a 7th year to make it 7 years 160 million
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by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
I hope for the best for CC
I really hope he doesn’t collapse under the pressure those bipolar fans and the NY media will put him under. New York isn’t quite like Cleveland or Milwaukee.
by Useful_Idiot on Dec 10, 2008 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Either way, I was using the 4 years
because I’d assume that Sabean would want to limit the on field liability of a FA starting pitcher
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by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
"Hey guys, CC will be known as the one who got away.
“Except that he WON’T!!! Gotcha!”
Direct quote.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
I'd call him one that got away
vs. calling the same to Carlos Lee or Soriano…JMTC
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by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
I'm fine he went to NYY
I was always on the fence about signing him anyway, he’s had a lot of pitcher abuse points already and while it’s purely speculative, I would assume his body type doesn’t age as well as others.
as long as we don't have to see him 4 or 5 times a year
I’m fine with it. With Hank saying they’ll make a run at Manny as well, I am pretty thrilled to see that they’ll be locked up to more huge contracts and still not solve their problems enough to be serious contenders
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Anything that keeps the Dodgers from getting Manny back
is ok by me…I’m still hoping that they lose Blake, and Furcal to FA and have to settle for FA replacements, and we all know what stellar options there are on teh market for 3B & SS.
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by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
I think they just signed blake along with mark loretta
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil.
by BrianBokake on Dec 10, 2008 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Am I the only one
that thinks of Nick Tortelli’s wife “Lo-RETT-a” when I seen or hear the name Mark Loretta?
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
True
but I’m pretty sure Hank Steinbrenner also stated that he wanted to build the new Yankee Stadium on the moon.
He says a lot of crazy things… But I can’t deny that I would love to see the Yankees implode with yet another overpaid diva on that team. If the Yanks were smart, they’d learn from the direction Tampa Bay has taken
by Useful_Idiot on Dec 10, 2008 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Doubtful
when MadBum & Timmy2 are in the mix for the rotation, I’m pretty sure we’ll be happy we didn’t spend over $100 on a starting pitcher…
…Again, I mean.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
And I hope you're right...
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by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed
I don’t feel all that solid about putting Sabean in position to trade pitching for hitting anyway.
"[Greg] Vaughn is in a funk so deep, George Clinton wearing a miner's helmet couldn't find him."
- Jim Baker, ESPN.com, May 2002
Could a been on easy street
could a been a wheel
With irons in the fire
and all them business deals
But the last of the big-time losers
shouted before he drove away
I’ll be right back as soon as I crack
the one that got away
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
is that an original poem/song
and if not, who’s is it? For context I mean…not so I could message board heckle, etc.
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by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
Tom Waits The One That Got Away
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
This is my favorite Tom Waits track
Way Down in the Hole
Theme song from The Wire
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by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
my favorite is either Rain Dogs or Alice (the songs, not the albums, though they are my two favorite albums of his as well)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
1) Rain Dogs
2) Small Change
3) Frank’s Wild Years
4) Mule Variations
5) Alice
6) Bone Machine
7) Nighthawks at the Diner
1) Alice
2) Rain Dogs
3) Bone Machine
4) Small Change
5) Closing Time
6) Swordfishtrombones
7) Heart of Saturday Night
8) Franks Wild Years
9) Mule Variations
10) idk probably Blood Money, Real Gone or Heartattack and Vine
all great albums though
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I don’t have Nighthawks at the Diner or Foreign Affairs yet though :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Your Secret Santa has it easy in that case.
Me, I drew TakeAGiantStepAndGo—anyone know where to buy some coal?
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
YOU ARE ALL MUSICAL SNOBS!!!
/snark
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 10, 2008 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Nighthawks is fucking amazing
His ranting in between songs alone makes it worthwhile. I bought it on vinyl last year and have loved it since.
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil.
by BrianBokake on Dec 10, 2008 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
I’m so horny even the crack a dawn better watch itself around me.
Favorite Tom line ever.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
BIG TIME
is a great live album too.
anyone know if it’s been re-mastered?
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 10, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I never listen to it.
I think the movie was so disappointing that it put me off the album.
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on Dec 10, 2008 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
“Order my veal cutlet and christ the thing left the plate and left down the end of the counter… Veal cutlet comes down and tries to beat the shit out of my cup of coffee. Coffee just wasn’t strong enough to defend itself.” that one gets me every time and I’m not sure why.
His rendition of"Big Joe and Phantom 309" is incredible as well.
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil.
by BrianBokake on Dec 10, 2008 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t have Swordfishtrombone, but I’m told it’s similar to FWY and Rain Dogs, so I’d like it.
You are the only other Tom Waits fan I’ve met that likes Bone Machine.
Real Gone = Real Bad
For reals? I’ve only ever heard good things about Bone Machine from Waits fans. Most people put it in their top 3.
And Real Gone isn’t great, but I wouldn’t call it bad.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
*most people I've spoken to
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Bone Machine is one of his better records, imo
black wings is my cat’s theme song.
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 10, 2008 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
I dunno what Tom Waits fans he’s talking to, I don’t know that I’ve ever actually heard a bad word against Bone Machine.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I dunno there’s not a ton of us around, but I’ve met at least three who HATE Bone Machine. They complain that it’s over the top.
those people are wrong
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
If being blah blah is wrong...
etc etc
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by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
i mean
it doesn’t get much better than the Earth Died Screaming
it’s got army ants and les Claypool
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 10, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
I love Bone Machine
My fourth favorite after Swordfishtrombones, Rain Dogs, Franks Wild Years (which I think Waits has described as something of a trilogy; certainly they’ve always gone together in my mind).
He kinda lost me after Mule Variations, none of the ones after that have really grabbed me. In fact I can hardly remember what’s on any of them.
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on Dec 10, 2008 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
even Alice? man, you should give it another shot.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
the title track from Alice is truly transcendant. Probably one of my top five songs.
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 10, 2008 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Fair enough.
Maybe I’ll just pull out all my Waits CDs and listen to them back to back.
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on Dec 10, 2008 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Although it’s hard to call Alice “after Mule Variations” as it was written, arranged, staged and performed around the same time as Bone Machine. While he went back and recorded it 10 years later (perhaps or perhaps not utilizing some original recordings depending on the story) it’s still guided by the original mood and concept.
So in that way it’s located in time both before AND after Mule Variations I guess.
Still brilliant, though. That point stands.
(Orphans has much the same kind of achronology, many of the scooped up orphans being re-recorded specifically for that release. Not much in the way of cohesion, but lots and lots of high points).
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
Only if you like middle aged white guys who sound like 80 year old black blues singers
I won’t be surprised when I hear of him being a Mickey Mantle like drunk who smokes like Bogart
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by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
er, you mean you haven’t heard of that yet?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I'd always assumed
But I’m in to late 90’s bay area hood rap, so it was never that big of an issue to me
/I have the worst taste in music ever…
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by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
he frequents the Tadich Grill in SF
didn’t look drunk – though the food is so good, he did look giddy.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 10, 2008 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Sound like 80 year old black blues singers?
I’m in. I loooooove old black blues.
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Good Introduction
Check out NPR All Concerts Considered podcasts. They have complete his most recent American concert from this summer in Atlanta. 2+ hours of “come to (chocolate) Jesus” greatness.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
Arguably the world’s greatest songwriter (sorry Zimmy).
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
yeah
at least he’s near the top of the short list.
Lennon
Macca
Zimmerman
Gillian Welch (eventually)
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 10, 2008 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
Gillian Welch (eventually)
she needs to make another album already.
I think Elvis Costello is in this conversation.
yes. absolutely.
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 10, 2008 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Elvis Costello favorite is Shipbuilding
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 10, 2008 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
that's a great one
mood for moderns
man out of time
next time ’round
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 10, 2008 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
His wife ain’t half bad as well.
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 10, 2008 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
my holy quadrilogy
dylan cave cohen waits
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
yeah, well you should.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
For some reason, Dylan has never appealed to me. Maybe I’ll check him out again and try some of the others.
/deer head
Bay City Ball
+100 million
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Best place to start IMO.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
last thoughts on woody guthrie
was what turned me on to Dylan
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 10, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
+100 infinity
OOHHHH WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NOW
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Don't listen to them!
You’d be much happier with E-40’s hits from the early 90’s, or RBL Posse before MR. CEE was murdered..
Down in Front Meat!
by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
As a middle class white kid i endorse this statement.
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil.
by BrianBokake on Dec 10, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
BJ Betty
Classic
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 10, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
True but it's lost it's spot in the front of my rotation
Now it’s mostly just a spot starter/reliever coming out of the bullpenn
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by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Combining your tastes for hip-hop, and your cabbie profession, I hope you got a chance to see the brilliant play called Angry Black White Boy at the Intersection for the Arts in SF.
Unfortunately, it just ended it’s run.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
is it a Danny Hoch performance?
He’s awesome…
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by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
You need a new partition on one of your drives for some new downloads.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
Implying I need to segregate eh?
/jk
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by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
I don't have a partition..
I do have an external harddrive of music….only a few years of Zeppelin so far on there….200 Gigs.
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i love pj harvey, but yeah, he is.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
okay, his (second) worst album out of fourteen, plus everything he did with the Birthday Party, plus his soundtrack work, plus everything else? come on.
I mean, I could say Bob Dylan isn’t the best songwriter of all time because of Saved, but I’m not going to.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I don’t necessarily think Murder Ballads is bad, but it’s nowhere near as good as most of his other work. So very, very overrated.
Stagger Lee is awesome though.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Peter Blegvad
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on Dec 10, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Townes Van Zandt
“Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the world and I’ll stand on Bob Dylan’s coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that,” said Steve Earle.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 10, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
be here to love me is a fantastic Documentary
man, Townes was one weird cat
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 10, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
if you haven’t seen the documentary “Heartworn Highways” – you owe yourself to netflix que it!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 10, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah but...
…Steve Earle would probably take any excuse he could find to climb on someone’s coffee table in his cowboy boots, just to piss them off. He’s an ornery kinda guy.
Scott McClain: Great story, no place on the 2009 Giants.
by EliminateMe on Dec 10, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Ornery GAMER!!!!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
Hold on a second..
Add Lee/Lifeson/Peart there.
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He didn’t sign with the Dodgers, and the Giants didn’t have to give him too many monies. And we’re not going to have to face him all the time, year after year.
Now that’s what I call… A Win-Winn situation.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
Hey you’re Lisa Stevens of Wells Fargo bank
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 10, 2008 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
I'm assuming we will get Johnson for 1 year
so that would give us: Timmy, Cain, Johnson, Zito, and …..who is supposed to be fighting for the #5 spot?
The Giants win a game! The Giants win a game! The Giants win a game!
It's still looking like Sanchez is in the rotation (if only because we can't count on Noah Lowry after last year)
So until that changes, I’d imagine Zito is the #5 starter
Down in Front Meat!
by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks, I felt like I was missing something obvious.
I wonder if they would switch up the rotation. Otherwise we would have: righty, righty, and then 3 lefties.
The Giants win a game! The Giants win a game! The Giants win a game!
I blame the trade rumors.
Maybe I thought he was already gone?
The Giants win a game! The Giants win a game! The Giants win a game!
no kidding
for a bunch of one dimensional players! I wish Giant fans would stop trading him for people who aren’t that good.
If you sign 4 1-dimensional players...
You’d have 4 dimensions
then you could go back in time
and sign Vladamir Guerrero to play with Barry
and not sign Other Barry
Leading the Pro-Aaron Rowand contingent on the McC!
You can ridicule me in 2009 if you like...
by ThrillisGone22 on Dec 10, 2008 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
I was somewhat okay
with the Giants gambling on a 5 year/$120M offer to Sabathia. Signing any FA pitcher is a gamble , and IMO signing Sabathia was a bigger gamble than average, given his weight and potential leg/knee problems. I am so very glad that the Giants did not sign him to a 7 year/$161M contract. Stupid Yankees.
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I was ok with $120 Million.
It’s sad when our only hope was that he would take that “discount” in order to play on the west coast and be able to hit.
The Giants win a game! The Giants win a game! The Giants win a game!
It's just like the Fed Bail outs...
$120 million is fine, but $160? ZOMFG!
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by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
You bring up an interesting point...
Perhaps we could just spend hundreds of millions signing anyone we wanted and if it doesn’t work out the Giants could just ask congress for some $.
The Giants win a game! The Giants win a game! The Giants win a game!
we just need to find a way for Neukum to get the team termed a bank
All joking aside, I am encouraged about the Comcast deal earning more cash for the team and once 2017 comes around and the stadium is paid off, maybe money won’t be an issue any more…
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by homerdrew415 on Dec 10, 2008 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
That's basically what happened with the Diamondbacks
Except it was MLB that bailed them out instead of congress.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
It’s not sad when a player even considered our team (presumably) when he had $140 million sitting on the table for a month.
by Useful_Idiot on Dec 10, 2008 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think he was seriously considering our team.
It seems he was trying to play the Giants/Dodgers/Angels against each other and start a bidding war.
The Giants win a game! The Giants win a game! The Giants win a game!
Well, if we hadn't signed Zito...
I’m sure we could have afforded Sabathia.
Good ole’ Zito…
rowand’s contract shackles the giants as well
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 10, 2008 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
The bright side is...
As much as it kinda sucks that a bay area guy like CC isn’t going to play here, Now we have some definite cash to lock up not only Lincecum but also Cain and maybe an FA hitter in the next yer or two.
In the end, i think it was probably best.
Vlad will always be the one that got away to me
But I did really like the idea of a Tim, CC, Matt top of the rotation
If we got Vlad, I don’t think we would have drafted Tim.
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 10, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
maybe so, but we would also have some hardware
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by z4 landshark on Dec 10, 2008 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
No doubt the Giants win that series against the Marlins in 2003 with Vlad and would have made the playoffs a couple more times too.
by VizquelQuest on Dec 10, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
CC is the new Vlad
He would have changed this team at a point when this team NEEDS a change. He may have posted an all century year pitching in the NL west. Instead we will see him destroy the AL East and just dream of what could have been. Its sad and what makes me angry is all the rumors about the Giants being in on him was probably just PR bullsh** from Sabean just like in years past. Its fodder for the lunatic fringe to keep us happy while they go out and sign more CFs.
He hasn’t signed yet so I hope the Giants at least make an offer. As of right now they had a guy AND his wife who WANTED to be Giants and they didn’t even offer anything.
Bring me the head of Barry Zito!
CC wasn't as perfect of a fit as Vlad
Both were rumored to want to play in SF but CC doesn’t fill a spot that is the team’s biggest weakness like Vlad would have.
Also Vlad sign what even at the time was a modest contract compared to CC who just blew away the highest contract ever to a pitcher.
by VizquelQuest on Dec 10, 2008 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Not so fast
Our position of strength becomes a weakness with one more Lowry like injury.Nobody likes talking about it but most pitchers go down for an extended stretch at some point in their careers. Cain and Timmy are due and everyone in this room knows it. Pretending that CC would not be a great fit on any team is just silly. Yes we need offense but I’ll never say no to a Cy young horse with a bright future, and don’t pretend that Zito had a bright future.
Bring me the head of Barry Zito!
Just to clarify, I was for signing CC before I was against it.
If he was willing to sign here for less than the Yankees were offering he would have been a good signing.
If he wasn’t willing to sign for less there would be just too much money committed to starting pitching which is one of the few strengths the team has and is also an area with reinforcements on the way.
After Burks left the team, the lineup was sorely missing a bat to pair with Barry. Vlad could have been the bat as well fill in a position that was vacant. He was also signed for well less than expected because the Yankees and Red Sox didn’t get in the mix.
by VizquelQuest on Dec 10, 2008 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
Wait a minute...
If, as you say, “most pitchers go down for an extended stretch at some point in their careers.” Doesn’t that apply to every team and every player? So our position of strength remains such if every team loses a pitcher or pitchers for some time. And what if the pitcher to go down was the one that your team paid $160M for 7 years. CC does not have a bad history of injury, but his weight would suggest that he will not have a long career. Matt and Timmy are more due for injury? I think CC is more likely to go down than Matt or Timmy.
CC will be a disastrous fit for any team should he go down. $160M is a huge risk.
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I was goign to say this.
:-(.
Well I could just delete this and make it look like I posted this first…
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Now I'm glad Yost worked the hell out of him down the stretch...
…since he’s going to be a Yankee.
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disappointed and relieved at the same time
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
not sure if this was true
but i am disappointed that it sounds like the giants didnt even try to offer him or really have substantial talks with him. not even the 5/100.
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by z4 landshark on Dec 10, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Totally Agree
I think we all like CC and thought he was worth a substantial amount of money, but the one thing we were all worrying about was exactly how much he’s worth. 120 OK, 160 No way? That’s the heart of the matter.
Think if Sabean said “Yankees offered 161 million and we offered 155, and he chose us” I think we would have alot of people pissed.
What we did was the equivalent of walking away instead of doubling down, and i think this time around it was a better move than walking away from Vlad who we still need.
by Giant Voodoo on Dec 10, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
I dont think
he was every really a possibility for us. Doesnt suprise me that he will be wearing pinstripes for the next 7 years. Now I think Texiera will be in Boston.
we were never going to sign CC and never had a shot
money talks and because of the albatross, CC was never a realistic option for the Giants.
Vlad on the other hand, we didn’t even try to get him and it had nothing to do with money.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 10, 2008 10:38 AM PST reply actions
well, it did have to do with money, but in a different way.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 10, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
My main regret is that he is a Yankee
For some reason I feel a connection to CC because he was in the same graduating class at my high school and I played in the same Babe Ruth league as him. I never really talked to him ever so I probably shouldn’t feel any connections to him but it still makes me a little sad that he went to the Yankees.
Better than the Dodgers though.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
nah
At this point in time I think it’s pretty realistic to believe that the combined production of TimA and Madbum will at least match what CC would give us over the length of a 6 or 7 year deal, especially considering the moneys.
Anyways, there are two of them and they will be playing on the team at the same time with basic the rotation we have right now in a couple years (in theory), and we’ll have a fat chunk of change to spend elsewhere instead (extensions etc.). I ain’t complaining.
"I didn't know (after seeing a spectacular over-the-shoulder catch) whether to shit or go blind." - Former Giants Outfielder Harvey Kuenn on Willie Mays
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