Another trade idea
by Radical Racing on Dec 1, 2008 1:00 PM PST
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The Yankees need a centerfielder
The Yankees need starting pitching in the worse way.
The Yankees have more money that any club.
So with that said here goes:
Aaron Rowand, Matt Cain and Barry Zito to the Yankees for:
Robinson Cano and Phil Hughes
Giants need some more pop from a middle infielder and I think Cano will do much better with a change of scenery. Hughes was a top NYY prospect and could be a fair fifth starter and certainly no worse than Correia or Hennessy.
The Yankees get a centerfielder who will do much better once he is out of SF's ball park. I think Willie Mays Field got into Aaron's head the second half of the season. The first time in 2009 he hits a home run into the right field gap which becomes a long fly ball out, he will be right back in the mindset again. The Yankees also get a front line starter in Matt Cain very cheap for the next few years for basically taking on the cost of Zito's salary. Maybe Zito improves being back on the AL with the Yankees? Maybe working out with Wilson during the off season he muscles up and gains 2 - 3 mphs on his fastball?
Lewis in left, Winn in center and Schierholtz in right.
With the money saved by dumping Zito and Rowand's contracts, the Giants bring in 2 -3 big difference makers....hopefully Sabbthia and Beltre.
Wish I could figure out a way to get the Yankees to take on Dave Roberts salary also. Maybe they want two centerfielders?
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Hey, look, a first post involving a Zito trade.
Prepare for the fury, Radical Racing, prepare for the fury…
/deer head
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by Takimoto on Dec 1, 2008 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
so this is Cain plus like $125,000,000 for cano and hughes huh? mkay.
It's spelled "M-A-R-C-H-I-N-G-B-A-N-D."
I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
nah
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I imagine I’ll be using them a lot in the upcoming weeks.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Why?
Are you expecting a visit from Santa Nah’s?
Sorry.
Check out The Examined Life. Or don't. Whatever.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 1, 2008 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
It’s okay.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2008 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
Nahs - If I ruled the world
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 1, 2008 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
Well she's gotta go..
To Santanah Row to shop.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
We haven't had one of these for awhile
I welcome this “trade the guys we don’t want + Cain” post.
There will be refreshments after the reaming.
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2008 1:18 PM PST reply actions
Will there be pie?
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
I thought the reaming was the refreshments.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2008 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe they want two centerfielders?
What kind of terrible GM would go around obtaining multiple center fielders?
by chilibean_3 on Dec 1, 2008 1:18 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Win
Verrrrrrry well done.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Nobody wants Zito. Nobody wants Rowand. I’d rather have Cain than Cano and/or Hughes. So I don’t see how this is really good for anyone.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Welcome!
Just kidding, get the hell outta here.
JUST KIDDING! Welcome for real.
Saving countless runs with my Brian Horwitz
I’d just like to say that there’s nothing I hate more than the idea of sacrificing a player like Cain in order to get rid of bad contracts.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Yup
Plus, selling low on Rowand. I mean, I don’t think Rowand is all that good, but he was better than he was last year in about 4 of his 6 prior major league seasons.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
but see, then you use use the money you save to enter into other potentially bad contracts
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 1, 2008 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Good call. I’m thinking a big-money, multi-year deal for Joe Crede in 2010 if he stays healthy in 2009 for whatever team gives him a one-year incentive-type deal.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Or better yet, we could give multi-year deals to Casey Blake AND Joe Crede and move Crede to first. EUREKA!
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
He’s busy DFA’ing Sergio Romo to make room
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 1, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
and trying to get the cubbies to bite on nick noonan for jason marquis… suckers.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 1, 2008 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
I’d just like to say that there’s nothing I hate more than the idea of sacrificing a player like Cain in order to get rid of bad contracts.
But what if you’re doing it in order to get LeBron in the summer of 2010?
Joking aside, Rowand’s not a terrible contract, even in the context that Winn’s a more valuable CF option already on the roster. The real issue is that I think Cash Money is savvy enough to give Melky more chances, especially given that the dude’s only 24.
by David A. Arnott on Dec 1, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
what about
sacrificing a player like Cain and not EVEN getting rid of bad contracts!??
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
On principle, I like it better. Get rid of something to get rid of it. Don’t get rid of something to get rid of something else.
Unless there’s no getting out of it. For instance, find a way to get rid of your appendix (Zito) in order to get rid of your appendicitis Zito’s Contract). But don’t get rid of your right lung (Cain) because it gives you a better deal on getting rid of your appendix (Zito) so that you can get rid of your appendicitis (Zito’s Contract).
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2008 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
I’d just like to say that there’s nothing I hate more than the idea of sacrificing a player like Cain in order to get rid of bad contracts.
Dragging my testicles through broken glass, then pouring chili powder in the wounds is an idea I hate more. Being a girl, you just wouldn’t understand.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
Nah, trading Cain to get rid of Zito/Rowand would still be worse.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I politely, and respectfully, disagree.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Agree
If SF could rid themselves of the $150M owed to Messers Zito and Rowand and get a young replacement arm for Cain and a marketable commodity in Robinson Canoe you gotta sign the deal.
Nah
And I don’t think marcello is declaring that he thinks it would be a good deal.
I think he just thinks it would be better than “Dragging my testicles through broken glass, then pouring chili powder in the wounds”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Correct
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
I don't think you understand
Goofus’ testicles are all of our testicles.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2008 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
If you've been lurking for a while...
Then you should know better than to have the first thing you say be a trade proposal, especially one involving Matt Cain, and double-especially one involving trading Cain to get rid of Zito’s contract.
Welcome all the same.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
Sneaky sneaky
My concern now is that someone will someday make a trade where Cain is somehow the PTBNL.
At this rate one day Cain will be snuck out in a catering truck.
Don't be making snucky comments.
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Dec 1, 2008 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
Nah
I dont think the Yankeesa would do just Cain for those two, then add two terrible contracts. Plus I Dont like ideas that include Cain and Zito
I see the future, and it is Pablo
whlie we are at it..
hows about we trade giants’ garlic fries for dodgers’ sushi?
negative ghostrider, that pattern is certainly full
im adopting "insert 37th pick's name here"
by Headhunter Rollins on Dec 1, 2008 2:42 PM PST reply actions
What the heh why not stir the pot?
I brought my Giants batting helmet to work today and put it on the second I hit the send button on my fanpost. By lurking I understood that trade proposals seem to be what elicits the most interest/abuse/reaming etc. especially when they involve Matt Cain.
The trade from the Giants perspective is really Cain and Zito for Sabbathia and Hughes. The bonus is dumping Rowand and using the $12 mil for a position player to fill a hole where we really need one filled.
To those that love Matt Cain’s potential you can add me…but remember the Matt Williams trade? Fans HATED IT, myself included but ultimately it turned out good for the Giants. The question is does Sabean have the smarts to pull off omething as good?
Radical Racing
Fans hating a trade does not mean it’d be the next Matt Williams trade.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
well, it would have two very big similarities
fans hating it, and a protagonist named Matt
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 1, 2008 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
oh, so you’re saying the yankees would want to take zito off our hands so we could get in on the cc sabathia bidding? Riiiiiiiiiiight… I’m sure Hal, Hank, and Cashman are going to think that’s a terrific idea. You know, aside from the whole trading Cain thing, I kinda like the principles behind this idea… dump bad salaries, acquire possibly undervalued young players coming off of injuries/bad seasons… but there’s no way a team like the yanks is going to be interested in taking on a bunch of salary before the major dominoes of FA fall into place.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 1, 2008 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not just Cain’s potential that I love. I also love his current level of production. I love it so much, you’ll never know.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2008 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
DEAR DIARY: MATT CAIN’S CURRENT LEVEL OF PRODUCTION SMILED AT ME IN THE HALLS! IT HAD TO BE A MISTAKE, I’M SURE MATT CAIN’S CURRENT LEVEL OF PRODUCTION DOESN’T EVEN KNOW I’M ALIVE!
I HOPE MATT CAIN’S CURRENT LEVEL OF PRODUCTION ASKS ME TO THE PROM. I WILL JUST DIE IF HE DOES!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2008 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
I WILL GIVE TIMMY’S LEAGUE LEADING STRIKEOUTS FOR 2008 A NOTE FOR MATT CAIN’S CURRENT LEVEL OF PRODUCTION. DO YOU LIKE ME, MARK OFF YES OR NO!
YOU ALL NEED TO STOP READING MY DIARY!!!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2008 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
Go easy on him
He’s a Chicoan. They’re good people, except for getting rid of Disc Golf in an unused part of the park… Other than that…
Insanity is just a state of mind.
Disc golf is for putzers.
Come with me to the beach. Bring your 175. I’ll show you a workout designed with puking in mind.
It involves throwing , running , catching…but doesn’t involve two people!
Unless you inadvertently barrel into one while tracking your Friz…but that NEVER happens…
Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
- The Stranglers
by victor frankenstein on Dec 1, 2008 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Winter Meetings Next Week
we’ll be hearing so many real trade rumors next week, why even waste time on fake ones right now?? Can’t we wait??
Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment
Zito's contract is worth approximately -2.5 wins above replacement level
since he’s getting paid like a 4 WAR player and he’s more like a 1.5 WAR player. And it’s probably going to get worse; given that it has 5 years to run, he’ll probably only end up providing about 6 WAR while getting paid to provide about 20.
Matt Cain’s contract will pay him to provide about 3 WAR while he actually provides around 15.
In other words, forget Rowand, it wouldn’t even make sense for the Yankees to eat Cain and Zito and give up nothing in return. Rowand’s contract is also probably a negative, albeit only by a few wins, so including him would just make things worse.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
instead
let’s dance and give each other high fives because we have a pitcher as kick-ass as Matt Cain.
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 2, 2008 8:07 AM PST reply actions
The Yankees may be rich, but they aren't THAT stupid
They wouldn’t dare take on Rowand AND Zito’s contract.
Even if we threw in Matt Cain for free
We’re stuck with Zito for better or worse, and our best hope for Rowand is for him to have a good 2008 and then dump him off
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