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McCovey Chronicles Community Prospect List: #1

Ok, here we go.  WalrusMan and I will be putting these together over the coming weeks.  Please feel free to make suggestions in the comments on how this could be better, and we'll do our best to accommodate you.  Please let us know if there is too much, not enough, or false information.  Also, please feel free to suggest players to add to the next poll or the testers group.  So, without further ado, I give you our candidates for the Giants #1 prospect.

Madison Bumgarner, LHP, 19 - Drafted 2007, #10 overall.  Pitched in A-Ball at Augusta in 2008 with 141.2 IP, 111 H, 164 K, 21 BB, 3 HR, 0.93 WHIP, 1.46 ERA, and a 44% groundball rate.  Throws a fastball that sits low to mid 90's and can reach mid to high 90's, a slider, and a change.  His slider and change are developing pitches, but the conventional wisdom that he only has one pitch is false.

Tim Alderson, RHP, 20 - Drafted 2007, #22 overall.  Pitched in High-A at San Jose in 2008 with 145.1 IP, 125 H, 124 K, 34 BB, 4 HR, 1.09 WHIP, 2.79 ERA, and a 45% groundball rate.  Throws a fastball that sits low 90's and can hit low to mid 90's, a slider, and a change.  He is a polished pitcher who still has very good upside.

Buster Posey, C, 21 - Drafted 2008, #5 overall.  Hit .463/.566/.879 with 57 BB, 29 K, 26 HR, and 51 total XBH in 325 PA at Florida State in 2008 while winning the Golden Spikes award for best college player in the nation.  So far, has hit approximately .410/.490/.557 across Rookie Ball, Low-A, and the HWL in 2008 over ~100 PA.  His catching is a little raw, which is to be expected since he's only been behind the plate for two seasons, but he's projected as a plus defender there.

Angel Villalona, 1B, 18 - Signed out of the "Dominic Republican" in 2006.  Hit .285/.344/.450 with 15 BB, 42 K, 5 HR, and 20 total XBH in 229 PA in Rookie Ball in 2007 as a 16 year old.  Hit .263/.312/.435 with 18 BB, 118 K, 17 HR, and 46 total XBH in ~500 PA in A-Ball at Augusta as a 17 year old.  As a hitter, he has a ceiling that is rivaled by few batters in the minors, but he is still extremely young and still needs refinement.

Testers - Henry Sosa, Conor Gillaspie, Wendell Fairley, Nick Noonan, Rafael Rodriguez

Poll
Who is the Giants #1 prospect?
Madison Bumgarner
243 votes
Tim Alderson
20 votes
Buster Posey
77 votes
Angel Villalona
23 votes

363 votes | Poll has closed

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haha I'm the lone dissenter so far

I chose Posey but any of the 4 would be fine for me

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by baetown415 on Nov 7, 2008 10:19 AM PST reply actions  

I feel like I’ve seen Busty Poser on this site so many times that his real name sounds wrong to me.

by hammystyle on Nov 7, 2008 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, we have them all so who cares who’s better?? I picked Posey too, but one of them is the best and the other one is better.

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by rxmeister on Nov 7, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Huh?

I presume you were joking, Mark, since if one is the best, it is impossible for another to be better. If he were, he would become the best.

by sharksrog on Nov 8, 2008 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, please let us know who you would like added to the next poll. Personally, I feel like we have these 4 as a pretty clear top 4, and then it gets a bit more interesting.

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by marcello on Nov 7, 2008 10:50 AM PST reply actions  

Who’s no longer eligible? Nate? Pablo? Romo?

by Evan on Nov 7, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Damn you're quick Evan.

These are the players who were with the major league team and are no longer eligible because of either 130 AB/50 IP/45 days.

John Bowker
Emmanuel Burriss
Kevin Frandsen
Alex Hinshaw
Steve Holm
Fred Lewis
Bengie Molina
Ivan Ochoa
Dan Ortmeier
Dave Roberts
Sergio Romo
Aaron Rowand
Billy sadler
Pablo Sandoval
Nate Schierholtz
Randy Winn
Merkin Valdez
Eugenio Velez

These are the players who were with the major league team and are eligible still.

Brian Bocock
Geno Espineli
Conor Gillaspie
Travis Ishikawa
Brian Horwitz
Osiris Matos
Scott McClain
Matt Palmer
Ryan Rohlinger
Erick Threets
Clay Timpner

All other minor league players would be eligible.

Scott McClain for #5 prospect!

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by WalrusMan on Nov 7, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Awesome, thanks!

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by marcello on Nov 7, 2008 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Looking at this list reminds me that the 130ab/50ip cutoff is far too tight for prospecting purposes. Bowker, Burriss, Schierholtz, Valdez, et al. may have lost their rookie eligibility, but they’re in no way proven major leaguers yet (or proven failures, for that matter).

Anyway, I think I’d put Ishikawa ahead of a couple of guys on your Testers list. Maybe Pucetas and Tanner too.

by Evan on Nov 7, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

You mean Bengie isn’t eligible for #2? DAMN!

Pac Bell, SBC, AT&T, 2010=???

by jt_7241 on Nov 7, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

for #5

I’d go with either Rafael Rodriguez (upside) or Conor Gillaspie (probability)

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by baetown415 on Nov 7, 2008 10:55 AM PST reply actions  

Rodriguez

Even though I know almost nothing about the youngster, I am as excited about his future as any giant.

by cwelgin on Nov 7, 2008 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Vote Rafael Rodquiguez for #5

or as Natto has called him, “the architect.” Oh, and he’s toolsy.

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by BrianBokake on Nov 8, 2008 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, someone remembers a nickname I created! I’m flattered.

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by Natto on Nov 8, 2008 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll take Posey only because I have so much more faith in hitters to develop then pitchers.

by Scottsdale on Nov 7, 2008 10:56 AM PST reply actions  

have you been watching the Giants for the last decade?

by AndOnTheDrums... on Nov 7, 2008 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

thought the same thing

Pac Bell, SBC, AT&T, 2010=???

by jt_7241 on Nov 7, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Took Posey because I’m stubborn.

by Grant Brisbee on Nov 7, 2008 11:02 AM PST reply actions  

Took Posey because of his sister.

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by Mike Hawk on Nov 7, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I took Posey’s sister. And a short time later, I took her again.

Yes we did!

by Goofus on Nov 7, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Alright! Giggity giggity!

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by jbowl on Nov 7, 2008 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Posey’s cool and all, but I’ll wait to see him mash or be mashed (sorry… thanksgiving’s coming up. can’t stop thinking about mashed potatoes) before I put him any higher then 4th on our prospect list. That’s a good thing, really; it means we have at least a little depth in our minors

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by theghostofjasonellison on Nov 7, 2008 11:12 AM PST reply actions  

It's gotta be MadBum

He was dominating in a way that no one else in the organization was. I’d like to see Posey do something impressive in the minors before I put him above that.

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by groug on Nov 7, 2008 11:15 AM PST reply actions  

MadBum, fosho.

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by jponry on Nov 7, 2008 11:21 AM PST reply actions  

yeah.

Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.

by SF Pete on Nov 7, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty hard to go against Bumgarner...

Although I really do like Alderson.

It’s pretty scary that Alderson only gave up a home run in ONE month and didn’t surrender a single one in the other 4 months. We’ll have to see how he adjusts as he moves up, but there’s very little debate at this point

by NeifiChicken on Nov 7, 2008 11:36 AM PST reply actions  

September

Tim gave up a HUGE homer on a fastball while pitching San Jose’s playoff opener. He’ll give up plenty more with that pitch when he doesn’t locate it well. He pretty much tops out at 92 according to the radar gun. He sat at 89-91 that particular game.

Tim’s curve is already big league. I think the key to his becoming ready for the majors is to develop confidence in his change. The very few times he threw it, it looked good to me. But Tim either doesn’t feel he needs it (unlikely, particularly against lefty hitters) or he doesn’t have the confidence to use it frequently.

by sharksrog on Nov 8, 2008 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

MadBum

has to be my number one pick. Clearly dominant this season in Augusta. I think I’d pick Posey #2 just because I really, really, really want a Giants prospect other than a pitcher to work out :-)

Gillaspie #5 please

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by nvsfg on Nov 7, 2008 11:39 AM PST reply actions  

Anothe MadBum

Gotta go with the younger guy who’s already dominated professional ball.

Gillespie in tha mix next.

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by oldjacket on Nov 7, 2008 11:43 AM PST reply actions  

I went with AnVil because he's a Corner Infielder, the youngest, and has the highest ceiling.

But it’s funny how you put quotation marks around Dominican Republic like ts false or something haha.

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by ejdacanay on Nov 7, 2008 11:49 AM PST reply actions  

That’s what I read it as, too. Like Dominican Republic was Narnia or something along those lines.

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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 7, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually, it’s a joke of some sort:

“Dominic Republican”

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Nov 7, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, sorry, it’s a very obscure joke/reference:

Link

I think it was Amy G. who said it during a telecast.

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by marcello on Nov 7, 2008 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

lol Amy G

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by jponry on Nov 7, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m laughing my butt off reading the comments from that link.

Pac Bell, SBC, AT&T, 2010=???

by jt_7241 on Nov 7, 2008 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Madbum, just too good.

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by xanthan on Nov 7, 2008 12:03 PM PST reply actions  

I went MadBum. For me its hard to compare the potential of Posey and Villalona, with the past season of excellence in the position of pitcher for MadBum and T2.

For next round Sosa, Gillaspie, Noonan, Rafael Rodriguez, and maybe Roger K or Crawford? Oh and Pucetas, the tru winner of the the past season of excellence in the position of pitcher viewers choice aweard. But really I don’t think any of them can break the top four at this point.

Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.

by kennv on Nov 7, 2008 12:04 PM PST reply actions  

Posey for me...

Both have raw points. I think if we’d seen Posey play all season, we would’ve seen a nearly-as-dominating performance, something like, oh, a .451/.517/.510 line. You know, like the one he currently has in Hawaii? Posey is the league leader in BA and OBP, and is fourth in slugging. Yes, it’s only 13 games, but it’s indicative of Posey’s maturity over his level.

I’ll also openly admit to not being as much of an agewhore as some prospect observers, so while it’s definitely in MadBum’s favor he’s so young, it’s not as overwhelming a factor for me.

With Posey, he plays a premium offensive position, and is a flexible hitter in the middle of a lineup. He doesn’t have ideal power, but his polish offensively, the likelihood he’ll move fast, and the premium nature of his position give him the edge.

If he weren’t a catcher, I’d vote for MadBum.

I’d include Kieschnick and Noonan in the next voting group. I won’t be voting for Rodriguez for a good long while.

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by BruteSentiment on Nov 7, 2008 12:11 PM PST reply actions  

I’d include Kieschnick and Noonan in the next voting group

Kieschnick and Brandon Crawford are two of the prospects I’m
interested in the McCoven Clan’s take on. I don’t see any mention
of Crawford playing winter ball (unless he was in the Instructional
League).

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Nov 7, 2008 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Crawford

He got hurt at the end of the minor league season, can’t remember what it was.

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by marcello on Nov 7, 2008 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Last time I talked to Crawford (about 3-4 weeks ago), he said his leg was almost healed and that he was playing in the instructional league. The Giants were planning on sending him to the Dominican League as early as 2 weeks ago, but I haven’t talked to him since then, so I’m not sure if it actually happened since I haven’t seen him in the box scores.

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by Azmanz on Nov 7, 2008 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I would take

I would take Rodriguez over Noonan in a New York minute. I love Nick’s swing, but I thought his K/BB ratio last season was pretty iffy for a guy with such modest power. I really don’t know much about Rodriguez, but if the Giants were willing to pay him even more than Angel Villalona I’ll trust their judgment at this point.

by sharksrog on Nov 8, 2008 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I really don’t know much about Rodriguez, but if the Giants were willing to pay him even more than Angel Villalona I’ll trust their judgment at this point.

The scouting reports I remember were a lot more negative than Villalona’s when he signed. I’d be willing to bet that the Giants just payed Rodriguez whatever would get it done because they had a lot of extra money that wasn’t going to the major league team, so it was a risk they could take.

I’m very unwilling to rank Rodriguez above Noonan right now.

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by groug on Nov 8, 2008 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m with groug, if just to wait until RafRod actually plays some pro ball.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 8, 2008 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Villalona had incredible scouting reports. I think it’s just a matter of inflation — $2.1 million doesn’t go as far in the Dominican nowadays.

by Dan from NM on Nov 8, 2008 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Went for Bumgarner, although there’s not a huge amount of difference within the top 4 i feel. The top 4 seem to be clearly ahead of the others, but at some point you may as well add the others you’ve mentioned, just to avoid an overly short poll.

Those 5 seem like candidates for the next slots, along with Kieschnick & Crawford. I guess after you’ve got the slew of pitching prospects (Barnes, Pucetas, English, Tanner, Maday, etc) to be included at some point, and Ishikawa has got to be somewhere, although he’s probably the most difficult to gauge.

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by GiantFan on Nov 7, 2008 12:32 PM PST reply actions  

Ishi

He’s going to be an interesting one. Will the warm fuzzies from the 2nd half of last year outweigh the question marks? I’m cautiously optimistic about him, but I can see rational arguments for having him at a wide range of places on the list.

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by marcello on Nov 7, 2008 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Good thing he wasn’t released as someone advocated long ago. I think he has proven to be worthy of prospect-dom, but would like to see another year of this before I believe. But if he can continue to progress, he would be a great power bat (and OBP) in the lineup, a true cleanup hitter.

Has anyone found out whether he has another option or if he has to make the major league roster in 2009?

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 8, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Who advocated that?

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by groug on Nov 8, 2008 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

“He and this crazy comedienne were hilarious (can’t remember her name)”

Judy Tenuta. She was Emo’s real-life wife.

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by Josh from Hollywood on Nov 8, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it’s definitely Bumgarner at No. 1, and it’s pretty clear that these are definitely the top 4 in some order. But I’m really not sure who 5 should be. I think it has to be one of Noonan, Gillaspie, or Rodriguez… personally I guess I’m leaning towards Gillaspie, but I could be persuaded to go with someone else.

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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 7, 2008 1:00 PM PST reply actions  

Bumgarner

for me, for the next prospect what are you guys going to do? Are you going to take the 3 arent the top and add one more to vote on? Just wondering.

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by jbowl on Nov 7, 2008 1:10 PM PST reply actions  

Good question…but I figured that 1-4 would be determined by this poll,
5-10 the next…

Not that I have a say (other that my MadBum vote).

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Nov 7, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

That wouldnt make sense though, because people are voting for who they think should be our #1 prospect not 2, 3, and 4 so how would this poll decide that?

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by jbowl on Nov 7, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s why it’s a good question. What you’re proposing requires a lot of
polls, but will produce a true 1-n ranking.

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by bgunn on Nov 7, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry bgunn I didnt mean to sound like brown eye.

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by jbowl on Nov 7, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point.

Alderson right now is 4th in this list, but I would guess he would be #2 if there was a vote. Most people, if they were going to vote for a pitcher, took MadBum.

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by Azmanz on Nov 7, 2008 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

no..

The next poll would be between (at least realistically) Alderson, Posey, Villalona, and others. We’d probably add on a few to the next poll. I’m thinking of adding..

Ishikawa
Pucetas
Tanner
Rodriguez
Gillaspie
Sosa
Noonan
Crawford
Kieshnick
Fairly

Yea that’d be a large poll but then we’d have really all the interesting young guys in the poll. After that I’d add any prospect that got more than a few recommendations in the comments. Then we’d get the #2, take him off the poll and have everyone vote for #3. Takes longer bit gives better results and we’ve got time.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 7, 2008 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup, this

Although, and I’m not sure about this, I think we can’t have more than 10 options on one poll so we’ll have to pare that list down by 3 at first.

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by marcello on Nov 7, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok..

Also it should be Fairley and Kieschnick.

We’ll have to see how the next ones go, next poll I’d post all their names in the testers and get everyone’s opinion on who they’d include in the next few.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 7, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds good to me.

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by marcello on Nov 7, 2008 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

seems to me that Fairley and Kieschnick are too good option to leave off the #2, #3 and #4 votes. That what I thought you meant at first.

Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.

by kennv on Nov 7, 2008 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Joey Martinez should be somewhere on there.

Y’know, the lefty from the great Caribbean isle of New Jersey. Like Pucetas, he seems to get crapped on by scouts yet put up results after results.

Ehire Adrianza gets absolutely drooled on by BP for whatever reason, and don’t forget Mike Loree or Scott Barnes, who were both filthy this year. Although Ben Snyder struggled upon promotion, I’m not sure he’s deadweight yet.

Also, Sudrendy Windster plays for the DSL Giants. I don’t know if he’s good or not. But he is totally named Sudrendy Windster.

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by multiphasic on Nov 7, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

And so everyone knows..

We’ve decided that a poll every other day would probably be good, although with the first 4 we might want to speed them up and get through them after a day. The rest of the prospects will probably be a lot more spread out in votes.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 7, 2008 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Or ishi

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by Goofus on Nov 7, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I think I’d throw Ishi in early, just because he’s going to be so different from much of the rest of the list. He’s pretty much the only one of our position players who technically counts as a “prospect” and is knocking on the door of the big leagues.

I’d say the next list should have the remaining 3 from this poll, plus:

Ishi
Noonan
Raf Rod
Gillaspie
Kieschnick
Sosa
Pucetas

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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 7, 2008 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Mad Bum
Posey
Alderson
Villalona
Not quite sure yet

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Nov 7, 2008 1:35 PM PST reply actions  

Picked Posey

I’m part of the Posey Posse. I mean, his OPS is over 1000 for the Beach Boys. Case closed.

by BigO on Nov 7, 2008 1:39 PM PST reply actions  

The Posey Posse is for pussies, per se.

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by Goofus on Nov 7, 2008 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

/applies for membership in the Posey Posse

Do we have a Posey Wagon?

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by oldjacket on Nov 7, 2008 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

My name is Clive and I like to drive!

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by groug on Nov 7, 2008 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

No wagon but there is a ring around the Posey.

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2008 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Giants prospects are unique

How many guys do you meet named Madison or Buster/Gerald?

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Nov 7, 2008 2:03 PM PST reply actions  

Don't forget, we used to have a Boof

Plus there’s Jeremiah Luster, Waldis Joaquin, Sharlon Schoop, used to have Shairon Martis, Rikkert Fanyte, Salomon Torres, I’m sure many more…

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 8, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

lol Schoop has a great name

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Nov 8, 2008 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Bumgarner

I had Villalona as the top prospect last year and Alderson right up there with MadBum. AnVil and Timmy2 both had outstanding years (AnVil was the youngest player in the SAL league, and Timmy was the youngest pitcher in the Cal league), so I didn’t want to knock them down. But the reality is MadBum did more to raise his stock than the other 2, which is saying a lot. As for Posey, $6.2 mil buys a lot of cache, but I want to see more on the field first.

Any one of the 4 would be a good choice for top prospect and is a defensible choice.

Next up: Eihre Adrianza, Nick Noonan, Connor Gilaspie or Henry Sosa

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by tedfordfan on Nov 7, 2008 2:36 PM PST reply actions  

$6.2 mil could BE hidden in a cache somewhere, but it has a certain cachet.

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by Lyle on Nov 7, 2008 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Touchet...

…or, something…

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by tedfordfan on Nov 10, 2008 5:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Ishi wouldn't crack my top 10

Kieschneck is definitely in the 5-7 range though.

by NeifiChicken on Nov 7, 2008 2:36 PM PST reply actions  

I’d put Ishi around 6-8

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by CB30 on Nov 7, 2008 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I went for my boy Madison.

Despite the fact that, from what Drudge is reporting, he threw Dr. B down the stairs.

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by multiphasic on Nov 7, 2008 2:38 PM PST reply actions  

that gets funnier with every strike out

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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 7, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

voted bumgarner

I’d like to see posey play a full season before putting him this high. Angel is still very far away, and his plate discipline seems to have a long way to go, considering that k/bb ratio. Alderson is good too, but doesnt have quite the upside that Bumgarner does. And for testers, maybe Kieschnick soon? Probably some young pitchers that could go on soon, but I’d have to look up some stats.

Also, when does the poll close?

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by raisingcain on Nov 7, 2008 4:26 PM PST reply actions  

First few..

We’re looking at a day long poll. Probably after these first four we’ll slow it down since there will be more questions on the prospects.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 7, 2008 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a great situation to be in

when you can’t really pick your system’s top prospect. MadBum’s the highest ceiling pitcher and a possible #2 starter. Alderson’s the most likely pitcher to get to the majors and become a solid #3 or maybe a 2. AnVil has the highest ceiling of anyone on the list but at the same time is also the least likely to make it. Buster has a pretty high ceiling with almost a guarantee of getting to the majors. I went Posey because of his bat and the fact that he plays a plus defensive position, albeit not very well (yet.) But he could possibly become one of the best hitting catchers in the game, which is a hugely valuable asset. It’s crazy that we all had AnVil at the top of our lists last year with little to no contention from anyone else. Now we have 4 top prospects and are the best farm system in the NL.

by boonitez on Nov 7, 2008 4:38 PM PST reply actions  

I'm going for Bumgarner

but that is because of a combination of proven results and enormous upside. If Buster picks up his fielding he would be my #1. I would leave Fairley off the first few polls, he is probably in the #8-#15 range, IMO

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by Speedforthewin on Nov 7, 2008 7:45 PM PST reply actions  

Mad Bum

Garns bums.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 7, 2008 9:49 PM PST reply actions  

Bumgarner

As great as Posey was in college and doing well now in Hawaii, as noted, he’s still pretty raw defensively at C, whereas Bumgarner totally dominated at A-ball at 18. Remember, his first three starts don’t really count because he was throwing the way the Giants made him throw. After the first three starts, his ERA was under 1.00 in A-ball against players 3-4 years older than he is on average.

For comparison, Sanchez pitched 125.2 IP with 122 hits, 39 walks and 166 strikeouts in A-ball at age 22 and was brought up to the majors the next season because he was so dominating.

Bumgarner pitched 141.2 IP with 111 hits, 21 walks and 164 strikeouts in A-ball at age 18. He’s basically ready for the majors in comparison to Sanchez, whereas Posey needs at least a year to learn calling pitches plus all the other catching nuances he obviously still needs to learn.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 8, 2008 11:51 AM PST reply actions  

RE Sanchez

I love Sanchez, I dug it when he was first called up, but slowly came to hate the way the Giants Org bounced up and then all around.

Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.

by kennv on Nov 8, 2008 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't have a real problem with Sanchez's handling

He clearly didn’t belong in the minors anymore and yet despite being able to just rear back and throw strikes as a reliever, was still walking guys left and right, something that should get worse if he were thrown into a starter’s role earlier. It would have been a disaster having him start any earlier than he did, and parts of this year was a disaster as well.

Look at his stats in AA and AAA, did those look like numbers of a guy who should stay in the minors? No, you would just be wasting a major league arm in the minors, which is part of the credo of TINSTAAPP. And yet he wasn’t doing it as a reliever, so why would one think he could do better as a starter then either?

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 12, 2008 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

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