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Just say no to Free Agency ... Yes to TRADES.

The Fools Gold that is Free Agency:  Very rarely does a long term investment into a free agent end well.  More often than not, the organization finds themselves paying the player for what he’s accomplished with his prior team, and often finds itself overpaying for a player way past his peak years.  It was a process that never made much sense to me.  One could make a strong argument that throwing millions in signing bonuses through the amateur draft is far less risky than Free Agent Market.

Understanding this risk, it would seem much more effective to stay clear of free agency and focus on continued in-house player development and inquiries into the trade market for controllable, young players.  After scanning the 40 man rosters of the various organizations, I’ve compiled a list of players who would appear to help this organization going forward.  Not all players have incredible value, but may still be useful to the team.

 

Chris Davis (1B/3B) Tex:  A power hitter with considerable upside, Davis’ approach at the plate is exactly what would make him successful at the phone booth.  He can spray the ball to all fields and has passable defense at both corner positions.  Couple him with Sandoval and we could have our future middle of the lineup already intact.  COST:  Jonathan Sanchez … to get talent you need to give up talent.  I would insist that any deal surrounding these two would require additional pieces.  One being a MLB ready average upside pitcher coming back to SF to take Sanchez’ place in the rotation.  A deal surrounding Sanchez plus one for Davis and Brandon McCarthy would be template.

Billy Butler (DH/1B) KC:  Granted the guy is not a suitable first basemen, but what’s the point of having JT Snow on staff if not for projects such as this.  The reason we make this deal is for Butler’s bat, pure and simple.  For whatever the reason, Dayton Moore has gone sour on this guy, despite the fact that Butler brings a great approach to the plate and is only 23 years of age.  The picture of having Pablo at 3rd and Billy at 1st may scare the hell out of most, but I could handle that if it came with 50 doubles.  COST:  This should require a Sanchez type piece.  Moore has put an emphasis on pitching this offseason and he might be content with some low level arms like Pucetas.

Brandon Wood/Kendry Morales (SS/3B)(1B) Ana:  Both guys are former top prospects that seem to have been jerked around in the Angels system.  You know what you get with Wood.  A power bat with low a low average and high Ks.  But if he can play a passable SS, we could do a whole lot worse.  Morales is a player Ive long been intrigued with and really believe, if given steady at-bats, can become a really effective player.  COSTS:  Dealing for either player may prove problematic because the Angels have historically been stingy with regard to their prospects.  So in terms of value, I’m open to suggestions. 

Daric Barton (1B)/Bobby Crosby (SS) Oak:  I know a good deal of you will not agree with targeting Crosby, but again, given the options and what he’s capable of providing when fully healthy (albeit a major caveat), you could do a lot worse than a 20 HR guy with better than league average defense who makes 5 million on a one year deal.  If Oak lands Furcal as rumored, Bobby would become available.  Barton is still a very young hitter who struggled mightily during his first season.  He’s another guy who I believe simply needs time to figure things out.  He still has Mark Grace written all over him and Oakland may be receptive to moving him.  COSTS: This is the problem.  I wouldn’t trust Brian to negotiate a trade with Billy, overrated and all. 

Ricky Weeks (2B) Mil:  Many people have soured on this guy and for good reason.  He simply hasn’t made any adjustments at the plate.  But I believe a change of scenery would do him a world of good.  There is no reason this kid cant be a Brandon Phillips type player.  COST: Mil was talking about shifting him to CF in the event of a Cameron trade, but the organization is chomping at the bit to move their uber-prospect Alcides Escobar up to the show and sliding him over to 2B would make Weeks expendable.  Again, not certain what it would take in terms of players.  Suggestions welcomed.

 

Deals to Make regarding Salary Dumps:

Aaron Rowand for Nic Swisher:  Kenny Williams and the Sox have always loved the guy and they have to be disappointed in what Swisher gave them this season.   Swisher has a livable contract and he could play an above average defense at first, while spelling our corner outfielders when needed.  Again, he would bring good power with strong OBP skills.  I think this deal makes sense for both organizations.

Aaron Rowand for Melky Cabrera and/or Ian Kennedy:  The Yankees interest in Mike Cameron suggest they are in the market for a CF.  And these seem like the expendable pieces in play.  Our rotation really cant rely on Noah coming back and giving us 30 starts.  Kennedy had a rough debut this season and with the expected moves the Yankees will make to the rotation, it would seem that hes the odd man out.  Melky’s value has taken a nose dive and he’s another player who could possibly need a change of scenario that offers a replacement either this year or next when Winn walks.

Randy Winn for Edwin Jackson:  Tampa needs another outfielder and Winn would be a perfect fit.  He’s a pro with good habits who would have a great influence on the young rays hitters.  Randy is still very solid both out in the field and at the plate.  Getting Jackson would be a major coupe for the Giants.  The guy has a great arm and seemed to make strides in putting it together this season.  His progressions remind me a lot of Sanchez.  He could help fill out the rotation.

 

Players of Interest:

Andy Marte – may never turn out to be anything, maybe just needs a change of scenery.  Wouldn’t cost much to find out.  Could be a Carlos Pena type find.

Kila Ka'aihue – clearly not going to get an opportunity in KC with the Jacobs signing.  Last year was insane and probably not sustainable, but it probably wouldn’t cost must to see if something’s clicked.

Josh Barfield – Another guy that just didn’t live up to the expectations.  I was really impressed with him during his one season in SD and still believe that player is still there … somewhere.  Again, another low risk acquisition that should cost much to see if a change of scenery makes a difference.

Boof Bosner – seems to have been shoved out of the pitching rotation in Minnesota.  He is the quintessential innings eater and would make for a fine 5th starter.  And more to the point, his return would help undue a sore spot for many.

 

I apologize for the length of the post.  But feedback would be greatly appreciated.  Any other names that could potentially fit that wont require a cain/lincecum type return?

 

 

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GM Brian Sabean has mentioned he will go FA shopping for relief pitchers. Be prudent, Brian. A flyer on free agent pitcher Mark Mulder to a minor league deal would be worth the very low risk. Before saying “No” to free agency first determine the market on some of the players.

  • Teixiera at 6yrs/$120M Yes
  • Teixiera at 8yrs/$200M No
  • Furcal at 4yrs/$50M incentive laden Yes
  • Furcal at 4yrs/$52M No

Have always liked Kendry Morales and yes the Angels are stingy with there young talent. Possibly Angels GM Reagins is ready to deal. Brandon Wood might be penciled in to play 3b if they do not trade for a 3b. The Angels do like their other shortstops – Erick Aybar and Maicer Izturis.

Would prefer the Giants to trade Aaron Rowand rather than Randy Winn, If trading Winn then Edwin Jackson would be a nice pick-up for the Giants. He is young and has experience. SF could save some monies and open a spot for the competition to John Bowker, Nate Schierholtz and others.

by wilriv21 on Nov 6, 2008 11:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very rarely does a long term investment into a free agent end well. More often than not, the organization finds themselves paying the player for what he’s accomplished with his prior team, and often finds itself overpaying for a player way past his peak years.

Now, it’s not that I’m not willing to believe this, and i think we all realize how thin the free agent market has been in recent years, but is there really any strong evidence to support this claim? I don’t want to confuse the Giants having failed to sign anybody decent in free agency for over a decade (excuse me if I’m missing anybody painfully obvious) with actual free agency being a mine field of players who will never live up to their contracts.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2008 12:09 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

I can think of a few that have worked out for their teams…

BLB, for one.

by FairweatherFan on Nov 7, 2008 8:45 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It depends on how you define "overpaying"

If you are going to compare an FA player, to a pre FA “under control” player, it seems pretty obvious that pre FA “under control” players provide better value, more runs / wins, per dollar spent.

There are problems with relying entirely on that kind of analysis though. Firstly, to acquire FAs only costs a team money, and an draft pick in certain cases. To trade for a player such as the poster suggests requires a team to give talent up. Or in the cases of a fan, wishcasting about his team.

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by rfloh on Nov 8, 2008 9:40 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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by BrianBokake on Nov 7, 2008 1:07 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can’t say no to free agency, because you’re shutting off one avenue of improving your team, you just have to cautious over what moves you make.

Also, you’re forgetting one aspect of free agency which is that you don’t have to give up any players in return, so it’s an avenue that gives a net positive in terms of talent to your team. Of course, by it’s nature, you’re not likely to get a great deal monetary wise, but you do get an excellent deal talent wise.

That’s not to say i’m advocating us spending lots of money in free agency, we have to be prudent & look for good deals in the same way as we’d have to look for good trades. The key with all franchises is to maximize the “value” of each acquisition & balance the currency, whether that currency is money or talent.

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by GiantFan on Nov 7, 2008 2:46 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I definitely prefer signing free agents to making trades. I like Chris Davis too, but I would rather give more money to a lesser player on the free agent market than give up Jonathan Sanchez to get him. That’s the obvious advantage to signing free agents. You strengthen an area of need without weakening another.

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by rxmeister on Nov 7, 2008 5:27 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

I think you’re on track here, Mark. Because of all their young players, the Giants finally have money to spend! They have more money than players they can afford to lose via trade (although indeed Winn, Molina, Roberts — please, please — and perhaps Rowand would be candidates).

The biggest advantage to making trades is that the Giants can target younger players. As you correctly point out, that can become borrowing from Peter to pay Paul, but if the Giants can acquire YOUNG talent, I don’t think either of us would be opposed.

If the Giants were able to sign a quality free agent or two and could trade older players for younger ones with promise, I think the future could look even brighter — and certainly closer to becoming reality — than now.

by sharksrog on Nov 7, 2008 3:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm..

I’ve never heard of this Boof Bonser guy. Tell me more.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 7, 2008 5:44 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can’t tell me what to do!

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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2008 7:10 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bonser? I don’t even know ’er.

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by Lyle on Nov 7, 2008 7:13 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope you’re using protection when you’re Bonsing

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by Takimoto on Nov 7, 2008 11:07 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Come on, guys! WalrusMan is waiting for Boof information!

Don’t let him down!

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by groug on Nov 7, 2008 11:13 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Free agency

You get to acquire a player, giving up none from your system, and then, if the player has a good year or two, you potentially get even more players when they leave in free agency…what was the problem with this strategy again?

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by tedfordfan on Nov 7, 2008 5:54 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

execution

Barry Zito, Dave Roberts, Aaron Rowand

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 7, 2008 7:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can I get Free Agents for $126 Million, Alex ?

Long Term, High Dollar, No Trade Contracts

what was the problem with this strategy again?

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by nvsfg on Nov 7, 2008 11:45 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are both correct

Clearly there are problems with free agency, which you both adequately cited. As an aside, before either of you ever bring up any of those contracts again, warn me first so I can cut my hand up and plunge it in a bucket of salt to distract me from the pain.

What I was trying to imply was that free agency doesn’t detract from your talent pool (no snarky comments about adding afore mentioned players, please) like trades necessarily do. In fact, if done intelligently, free agency can bolster an organization’s young talent.

This is easiest to see in the form of relievers, like when we signed Dustin Hermondsen for nothing and he pitched relatively well for us out of the pen. After he left in a huff, I believe we received a supplementary round draft pick in compensation for his being a type-B free agent. So, by making a very small investment (I believe less than $2M over 2 years) we got another top-50 draft pick. If you’re smart about this, you can pick up extra draft picks every year by signing one or two reclamation projects for the bullpen. Heck, if we bring Yabu back and he basically has the same year all over again, he’ll probably bring in draft pick compensation.

So the summary of my brilliant thesis is: smart free agent contracts good. Dumb free agent contracts bad.

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by tedfordfan on Nov 7, 2008 2:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the problem

with this 4 legs good, two legs bad kind of theory is that it puts the emphasis on the wrong part of the process. The coin of the realm here is player evaluation (and valuation). If you can do that well, you have a good leg up on making smart player acquisitions, no matter how you acquire them. And if you can’t do that well, then again, no matter the process for acquiring players, you’re likely to strike bad deals.

I guess the underlying supposition of this post is that bad money on the payroll is a bigger handicap than good talent squandered in bad trades. I don’t believe that’s true — there’s a cost to acquiring players either way, in fact if anything I think you’re worse off giving away real talent for nothing than you are overpaying for bad FA, since talent is in shorter supply than cash (for the time being anyway).

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by Roger on Nov 7, 2008 4:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just to make an additional point… The Giants also don’t operate in a vacuum. You might value a free agent properly, but so might a few other clubs. Next thing you know, you might just find you have to extra-overspend on free agents. And even then (as was the case with Carlos Lee and Alfonso Soriano), you still might not be able to land the desired player.

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by JRPhillips on Nov 7, 2008 6:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s certainly true, but again I think to a certain extent it’s no truer of FA market than it is of the trade market, where your ideal offer to land, say Jake Peavy, could well be pushed by other teams offers. It’s not as true with the trade market (where teams that overplay their hands start to get lesser offers rather than greater ones) but it’s still true. So the question is, is it decidedly worse to get stuck with the back end of the contract that CC’s going to command than it is to be the team that gives up a future annual All Star in landing Peavy? Both are costs that limit your future.

But would disagree with your point slightly, in that if you’ve really hit on what you believe is a proper valuation of a player you won’t leap over that value. Next year you might be forced to, because you’ve seen the market shift, but this year, if you’ve decided someone is worth “o” you just don’t up and give them “x” whether it means losing the bid or not.

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by Roger on Nov 7, 2008 8:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very well said.

Talent, and acquiring talent should be the most important goal of a team. Not having a low payroll and being “efficient”.

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by rfloh on Nov 8, 2008 9:42 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't disagree with your second post...

it is just that the Giants FO has not been successful in signing low risk/high return FA’s as you brought up. Any that were not pitchers anyway. I cannot remember the last position player signed in this manner. Anyone ? Rowand was not necessarily a bad signing, just a redundant one. Roberts was/is a primarily a role player, and should not have been signed to be a starting player. He has never played more than 129 games in his career, and he has only done that once. His ten year season avg for games played is 83.

Do I know why Sabean, et al. are so afraid of these type of free agents ? No. I am however occasionally surprised by pickups like Phelps. Scrap heap guys can turn out to be a bargain as role players, and if you are the 2009 Giants, it is hard to turn down a decent bat.

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by nvsfg on Nov 7, 2008 4:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dumb free agent contracts bad.

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by Goofus on Nov 9, 2008 11:02 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you've noticed from the title of the thread...

TRADES is in all caps and Free Agency is not, so TRADES are better.

How’s that for some irrefutable logic?

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by ThrillisGone22 on Nov 7, 2008 4:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting ideas, but most have been discussed

As for the ones that havent recenty, Im not so high on daric Barton, but I do like brandon Wood

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by CB30 on Nov 7, 2008 6:58 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's up with Brandon Wood?

it seems like he has been a top prospect for a while, yet the Angels keep filling holes in front of him instead of opening holes for him. Anyone know why?

by Fresburg on Nov 7, 2008 7:01 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“Didn’t hit immediately upon reaching the bigs” syndrome.

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by marcello on Nov 7, 2008 10:46 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I actually think Barton might be worth pondering. I get the sense that the A’s are nearly ready to cast him aside (don’t remember where I saw this), but the dude is still really young (23). He can definitely take a walk, and is stellar in the field. He’s never really been a slugger, but if he even just get to the point where he whacked 20 a year, he’d probably be valuable.

by BigO on Nov 7, 2008 2:33 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He was awesome for me in Baseball Mogul until I replaced him a some stellar Homegrown Talent.

In fact, he’s still awesome for me. He just gets fewer at bats. It’s absolutely criminal that I have that guy as a bench player.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2008 3:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Supply and Demand

While I think most of us would agree that growing in house talent is a much more efficient method of combining talent + low salaries, that doesn’t mean that free agency should be neglected entirely. I think the key for success in free agency is buying from the surplus to fill immediate needs.

For example, this year’s free agency class is heavy in Bullpen and Starting pitching. Combining that surplus with a bad economy and hopefully the Giants can come out with some decent bullpen arms at decent contracts. Whereas in years past, it would have been generally unwise to build a pen from free agency due to the high demand and therefore high costs.

A bad example is this years middle infield class. Furcal and Hudson will be grossly overpaid even in a bad economy, and likely will not live up to the contracts they sign.

by Fresburg on Nov 7, 2008 6:58 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Winn for Jackson?

While I’d make a Winn for Jackson trade in a heartbeat, I don’t think the Rays would. Jackson is by far their top trade piece. It does seem like he figured it out this year, no small feat considering the division he plays in. He has the stuff to be a top-3 starter and, as you say, he’s still young. Plus, he carries the cachet of the Rays’ brand. I think it would take much more than one year of Randy Winn to get him. I’m not saying that it would be easy for the Rays to get a Randy-type in trade or free agency. But they have to be thinking: what do we need more long-term? A young, affordable, high-upside starter? A fourth OFer? And pitching depth has huge long-term value because it’s inevitable that a certain percentage of guys will get hurt and never be the same (Noah Lowry?).

You only trade a guy like Jackson if you’re getting a long-term answer in return. Look at how we’re thinking of Sanchez. We don’t want to trade our high-upside pitcher (whose stats are somewhat similar to Jackson’s, though less impressive when setting is considered) unless we get a piece that helps long-term, such as a Chris Davis or Brandon Wood. We would never trade our most realistic, good trade piece for a fourth OFer. Since the Rays have few long-term holes (2B, RF, RP,…?) and many prospects of incrementally lower value than Jackson (Zobrist and a bevy of pitchers), they can afford to be picky when it comes to Jackson’s return. In that light, would I trade Randy for Zobrist and/or a couple of their young pitchers? Yes, yes I would.

by cornball on Nov 7, 2008 8:05 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jackson's set to regress like a mo'fo next season

aside from that, there are other reasons why to avoid Jackson like the plague

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by baetown415 on Nov 7, 2008 10:01 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Winn for Jackson makes little sense to me, and despite his lucky 2008, I’d take Edwin Jackson if it was virtually for nothing. On paper he has buttloads of problems, but he still has special stuff and if he could be had for very little I would listen. I’m sure some stupid team like the Astros will overpay for him though

by NeifiChicken on Nov 7, 2008 10:10 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reasons why it works
Rays have no RF (Rocco is gone, unles you consider Gabe Gross a good RF)
Top BA was Iwamura at .274

Reason why it wont
Winn makes 9million a year

by cazzuno on Nov 7, 2008 11:47 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Top BA was Iwamura at .274

This isn’t terribly important.

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by marcello on Nov 7, 2008 12:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2B?

Iwamura isnt exactly old.

by sam23 on Nov 8, 2008 1:00 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would Sanchez +1 really get Davis plus McCarthy?

I think Davis would cost a lot more personally, but if we could get him at that price then yes please.

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by j14 on Nov 7, 2008 8:30 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess if the +1 was Alderson or Bumgarner, maybe.

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by marcello on Nov 7, 2008 10:48 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thats probably right

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by CB30 on Nov 9, 2008 10:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would jump at Sanchez+, I might even part with Cain if more came back in the deal. Texas is loaded with good prspects.

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by CB30 on Nov 9, 2008 10:58 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chris Davis will NOT be traded

Unless he was a part of a package for Tim Lincecum. I don’t even think TEX would trade him straight up for Matt Cain

by NeifiChicken on Nov 7, 2008 10:11 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

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by j14 on Nov 7, 2008 11:00 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As bad as Texas has struggled with finding pitching, as well as considering that 1b is one of the easiest positions to fill, I don’t see why they would think twice about a Chris Davis/Matt Cain swap. I think the Giants get the bad end of that deal.

by Fresburg on Nov 7, 2008 11:56 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

trade + free agent

sanchez + prospect = davis
rowand = swisher
sign furcal
sign type b SP (mulder/looper/penny)

C Molina = 15hr
1b/3B davis/sandoval = 40HR
2b/SS burris/frand/furcal = 10HR
OF Lewis/WInn/Swisher/Schierholtz = 60HR
SP Timmy/Cain/Zito/Lowry/FA SP 60+ Wins
Lineup: Furcal, Winn, Sandoval, Davis, Swisher, Molina, Lewis, Burris/Frand

by cazzuno on Nov 7, 2008 12:09 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HR & Wins FTW!

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by WalrusMan on Nov 7, 2008 12:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Free Tyler Walker…already done

by cazzuno on Nov 7, 2008 4:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matt Cain is a fly ball pitcher, and probably not a good match fro Texas.

NEXT!

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by oldjacket on Nov 7, 2008 3:39 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They dont know that……or do they

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Nov 9, 2008 10:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's no way Rowand gets traded for Swisher straight up.

Both of them had disappointing years.

Rowand is 3 years older, and will be paid almost twice what $44M / 4, whereas Swisher will be paid $21M /3, with a $10.25M club option tacked on.

Kenny Williams might have “always liked the guy”, he also traded that guy whom he always liked away. It makes no sense for the WS to do a straight up trade, no unless Swisher has some serious undisclosed injury.

Also, it’s not clear that Ka’aihue won’t get an opportunity. He has had one crazy phenomenal year in the minors. Outside of that, he’s been pretty meh. Even with the phenomenal season included, his career OPS in the minors is 828. Just because the Royals aren’t going to immediately hand him a starting role doesn’t mean that he “clearly won’t get an opportunity”.

Crosby would probably be available EVEN if the A’s don’t get Furcal. He’s pathetic offensively, homeruns or not. He has a bit of power. That’s it. He sucks at every other offensive aspect of baseball. Can’t hit for average, bad approach discipline. Inability to adjust, at all.

And he hit more than 20 hrs ONCE, in his career. That is hardly a 20 hr guy.

Also, his defense was pretty poor this past season.

Finally, he’s no longer young. 29 next season.

The only reason to take Crosby, would be if Beane insists on team taking on his contract, to balance out a move.

For all Burris’ flaws, the Giants are better off just playing him, than wasting time on Crosby. At least Burris is young enough that he might become something, unlikely though that might be. Crosby is confirmed to be crap.

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by rfloh on Nov 8, 2008 10:01 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this this this this this

Rowand for Swisher should remain in the bin marked “Fond Yet Silly Hopes”.

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by oldjacket on Nov 8, 2008 1:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think sanchez is being overrated here

if he has enough value to get a chris davis type who at one point ranked as a top 15 overall prospect last season, why does sanchez have a 5era? i see the very good pure stuff, but he’s also 26 or so…plus expect those stats to jump even higher going to texas.
 
unless the + 1 is alderson/madbum i dont see how a deal gets done…maybe target a lesser player like ryan garko

by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 10, 2008 10:27 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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